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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So start with, don't start thinking about the risks,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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start thinking about the goals.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And then when you do that,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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then you can think about the obstacles you want to avoid.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I often get students coming in right here into my office
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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for career advice.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I always ask them this very question,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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where do you want to be in the future?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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If all she can say is, oh, maybe I'll have cancer,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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maybe I'll get run over by a truck.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Yeah, focus on the obstacles instead of the goals.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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She's just going to end up a hypochondriac paranoid.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Whereas if she comes in and fire in her eyes
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and is like, I want to be there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And then we can talk about the obstacles
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and see how we can circumvent them.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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That's, I think, a much, much healthier attitude.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I feel it's very challenging to come up with a vision
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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for the future, which we are unequivocally excited about.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I'm not just talking now in the vague terms,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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like, yeah, let's cure cancer, fine.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I'm talking about what kind of society
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do we want to create?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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What do we want it to mean to be human in the age of AI,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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in the age of AGI?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So if we can have this conversation,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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broad, inclusive conversation,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and gradually start converging towards some,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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some future that with some direction, at least,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that we want to steer towards, right,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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then we'll be much more motivated
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to constructively take on the obstacles.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I think if I had, if I had to,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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if I try to wrap this up in a more succinct way,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I think we can all agree already now
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that we should aspire to build AGI
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that doesn't overpower us, but that empowers us.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And think of the many various ways that can do that,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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whether that's from my side of the world
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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of autonomous vehicles.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I'm personally actually from the camp
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that believes this human level intelligence
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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is required to achieve something like vehicles
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that would actually be something we would enjoy using
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and being part of.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So that's one example, and certainly there's a lot
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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of other types of robots and medicine and so on.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So focusing on those and then coming up with the obstacles,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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coming up with the ways that that can go wrong
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and solving those one at a time.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And just because you can build an autonomous vehicle,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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even if you could build one
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that would drive just fine without you,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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maybe there are some things in life
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that we would actually want to do ourselves.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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That's right.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Right, like, for example,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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if you think of our society as a whole,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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there are some things that we find very meaningful to do.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And that doesn't mean we have to stop doing them
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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just because machines can do them better.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I'm not gonna stop playing tennis
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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just the day someone builds a tennis robot and beat me.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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People are still playing chess and even go.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Yeah, and in the very near term even,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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some people are advocating basic income, replace jobs.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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But if the government is gonna be willing
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to just hand out cash to people for doing nothing,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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then one should also seriously consider
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whether the government should also hire
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a lot more teachers and nurses
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and the kind of jobs which people often
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find great fulfillment in doing, right?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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We get very tired of hearing politicians saying,
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oh, we can't afford hiring more teachers,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but we're gonna maybe have basic income.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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If we can have more serious research and thought
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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into what gives meaning to our lives,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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the jobs give so much more than income, right?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Mm hmm.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And then think about in the future,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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what are the roles that we wanna have people
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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continually feeling empowered by machines?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I think sort of, I come from Russia,
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from the Soviet Union.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I think for a lot of people in the 20th century,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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going to the moon, going to space was an inspiring thing.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I feel like the universe of the mind,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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so AI, understanding, creating intelligence
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is that for the 21st century.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So it's really surprising.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I've heard you mention this.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It's really surprising to me,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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both on the research funding side,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that it's not funded as greatly as it could be,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but most importantly, on the politician side,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that it's not part of the public discourse
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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except in the killer bots terminator kind of view,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that people are not yet, I think, perhaps excited
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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by the possible positive future
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