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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
making progress every day, it seems like eventually you'll end up in a
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good place.
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And the only things that can slow you down are, you know, running out
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of money or I suppose your competitors destroying you.
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But I think most of the time it's, it's people giving up or, or somehow
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destroying things themselves rather than being beaten by their competition
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or running out of money.
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
Yeah.
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If you never quit, eventually you'll arrive.
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So, uh, it's a much more concise version of what I was trying to say.
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
Yeah, that was good.
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
So you went the Y Combinator route twice.
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Yeah.
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What do you think in a quick question, do you think is the best way to
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raise funds in the early days or not just funds, but just community
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develop your idea and so on.
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Can you do it solo or maybe with a co founder with like self funded?
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Do you think Y Combinator is good?
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Is it good to do VC route?
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Is there no right answer or is there from the Y Combinator experience
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something that you could take away that that was the right path to take?
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
There's no one size fits all answer, but if your ambition I think is to, you
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
know, see how big you can make something or, or, or rapidly expand and capture
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a market or solve a problem or whatever it is, then, then, you know, going to
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Kyle Vogt: Cruise Automation | Lex Fridman Podcast #14
venture back route is probably a good approach so that, so that capital doesn't
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become your primary constraint.
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Y Combinator I love because it puts you in this, uh, sort of competitive
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environment where you're, where you're surrounded by, you know, the top, maybe
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1% of other really highly motivated, you know, peers who are in the same, same
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place and that, uh, that environment I think just breeds breed success, right?
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If you're surrounded by really brilliant, hardworking people, you're going to
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feel, you know, sort of compelled or inspired to, to try to emulate them and
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or beat them.
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And, uh, so even though I had done it once before and I felt like, yeah, I'm
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pretty self motivated.
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I thought like, look, this is going to be a hard problem.
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I can use all the help I can get.
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So surrounding myself with other entrepreneurs is going to make me work a
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little bit harder or push a little harder than it's worth it.
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And so that's why I, why I did it, you know, for example, the second time.
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Let's, uh, let's go philosophical existential.
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If you go back and do something differently in your life, starting in the
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high school and MIT leaving MIT, you could have gone the PhD route doing the
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startup, going to see about a startup in California and you, or maybe some
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aspects of fundraising.
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Is there something you regret, something you not necessarily regret, but if
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you go back, you could do differently.
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I think I've made a lot of mistakes, like, you know, pretty much everything
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you can screw up.
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I think I've screwed up at least once, but I, you know, I don't regret those
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things.
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I think it's, it's hard to, it's hard to look back on things, even if it didn't
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go well and call it a regret, because hopefully it took away some new knowledge
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or learning from that.
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So I would say there was a period.
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Yeah.
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The closest I can, I can come to is there's a period, um, in, in Justin
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TV, I think after seven years where, you know, the company was going one
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direction, which is towards Twitch, uh, in video gaming.
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I'm not a video gamer.
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I don't really even use Twitch at all.
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And I was still, uh, working on the core technology there, but my, my heart
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was no longer in it because the business that we were creating was not something
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that I was personally passionate about.
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It didn't meet your bar of existential impact.
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Yeah.
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And I'd say I probably spent an extra year or two working on that.
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And, uh, and I'd say like, I would have just tried to do something different
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sooner because those, those were two years where I felt like, um, you know,
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from this philosophical or existential thing, I just, I just felt that
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something was missing.
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And so I would have, I would have, if I could look back now and tell myself,
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it's like, I would have said exactly that.
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Like, you're not getting any meaning out of your work personally right now.
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You should, you should find a way to change that.
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And that's, that's part of the pitch I use to basically everyone who joins
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Cruise today, it's like, Hey, you've got that now by coming here.
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Well, maybe you needed the two years of that existential dread to develop
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the feeling that ultimately it was the fire that created Cruise.
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So, you never know.
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You can't, good theory.
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So last question, what does 2019 hold for Cruise?
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After this, I guess we're going to go and I'll talk to your class.
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But one of the big things is going from prototype to production, uh, for
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autonomous cars and what does that mean?
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What does that look like?
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And 2019 for us is the year that we try to cross over that threshold and reach,
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you know, superhuman level of performance to some degree with the software and,
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uh, have all the other of the thousands of little building blocks in place to,
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to launch, um, you know, our, our first, uh, commercial product.
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So that's, that's, what's in store for us or in store for us.
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And we've got a lot of work to do.
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We've got a lot of brilliant people working on it.
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So it's, it's all up to us now.
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Yeah.
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From Charlie Miller and Chris Vells, like the people I've crossed paths with.
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Oh, great.
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If you, it sounds like you have an amazing team.
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So, um, like I said, it's one of the most, I think one of the most important
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problems in artificial intelligence of the century.
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