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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | to contain things later. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:26.420 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Beautifully put. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:27.900 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | So on the idea of intelligence, what form, treading cautiously as we've agreed as we | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:29.300 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | tumbled down the hill, what form... | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:35.660 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | We can't stop ourselves, can we? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:38.060 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | We cannot. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:39.620 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | What form do you see it taking? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:42.000 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | So one example, Facebook, Google, do want to, I don't know a better word, you want to | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:43.540 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | influence users to behave a certain way and so that's one kind of example of how intelligence | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:52.040 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | is systems perhaps modifying the behavior of these intelligent human beings in order | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:20:59.580 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | to sell more product of different kinds. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:05.940 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | But do you see other examples of this actually emerging in... | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:08.460 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Just take any parasitic system, make sure that there's some way in which that there's | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:13.060 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | differential success, heritability, and variation. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:18.680 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | And those are the magic ingredients and if you really wanted to build a nightmare machine, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:25.180 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | make sure that the system that expresses the variability has a spanning set so that it | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:29.380 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | can learn to arbitrary levels by making it sufficiently expressive. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:36.780 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | That's your nightmare. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:41.920 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | So it's your nightmare, but it could also be, it's a really powerful mechanism by which | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:43.240 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | to create, well, powerful systems. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:49.060 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | So are you more worried about the negative direction that might go versus the positive? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:52.360 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | So you said parasitic, but that doesn't necessarily need to be what the system converges towards. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:21:59.100 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | It could be, what is it? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:05.140 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | And the dividing line between parasitism and symbiosis is not so clear. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:07.780 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | That's what they tell me about marriage. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:13.700 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | I'm still single, so I don't know. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:15.060 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Well yeah, we could go into that too, but no, I think we have to appreciate, are you | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:17.540 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | infected by your own mitochondria? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:27.580 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Right. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:30.660 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Right? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:31.660 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Yeah. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:32.660 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | So in marriage, you fear the loss of independence, but even though the American therapeutic community | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:33.660 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | may be very concerned about codependence, what's to say that codependence isn't what's | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:42.580 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | necessary to have a stable relationship in which to raise children who are maximally | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:47.420 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | case selected and require incredible amounts of care because you have to wait 13 years | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:52.780 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | before there's any reproductive payout and most of us don't want our 13 year olds having | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:22:57.260 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | kids. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:00.700 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | That's a very tricky situation to analyze and I would say that predators and parasites | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:01.700 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | drive much of our evolution and I don't know whether to be angry at them or thank them. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:08.940 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Well ultimately, I mean nobody knows the meaning of life or what even happiness is, but there | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:14.020 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | is some metrics. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:19.620 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | They didn't tell you? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:20.620 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | They didn't. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:21.620 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | They didn't. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:22.620 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | That's why all the poetry and books are about, you know, there's some metrics under which | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:23.620 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | you can kind of measure how good it is that these AI systems are roaming about. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:29.460 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | So you're more nervous about software than you are optimistic about ideas of, yeah, self | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:35.060 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | replicating largely. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:44.380 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | I don't think we've really felt where we are. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:45.380 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | You know, occasionally we get a wake up, 9 11 was so anomalous compared to everything | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:50.420 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | else we've experienced on American soil that it came to us as a complete shock that that | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:23:57.660 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | was even a possibility. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:03.540 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | What it really was was a highly creative and determined R and D team deep in the bowels | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:05.060 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | of Afghanistan showing us that we had certain exploits that we were open to that nobody | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:11.620 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | had chosen to express. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:18.200 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | I can think of several of these things that I don't talk about publicly that just seem | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:19.380 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | to have to do with, um, how relatively unimaginative those who wish to cause havoc and destruction | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:23.700 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | have been up until now. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:32.140 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | But the great mystery of our time of this particular little era is how remarkably stable | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:33.860 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | we've been since 1945 when we demonstrated the ability to use a nuclear weapons in anger. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:43.780 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | And we don't know why things like that haven't happened since then. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:50.780 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | We've had several close calls, we've had mistakes, we've had a brinksmanship. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:24:58.440 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | And what's now happened is that we've settled into a sense that, Oh, it's, it'll always | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:03.780 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | be nothing. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:09.820 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | It's been so long since something was at that level of danger that we've got a wrong idea | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:10.820 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | in our head. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:20.260 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | And that's why when I went on the Ben Shapiro show, I talked about the need to resume above | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:21.260 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | ground testing of nuclear devices because we have people whose developmental experience | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:25.500 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | suggests that when let's say Donald Trump and North Korea engage on Twitter, Oh, it's | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:30.460 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | nothing. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:37.580 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | It's just posturing. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:38.580 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Everybody's just in it for money. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:39.580 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | There's, there's an, a sense that people are in a video game mode, which has been the right | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:41.140 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | call since 1945. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:46.860 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | We've been mostly in video game mode. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:49.500 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | It's amazing. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:51.140 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | So you're worried about a generation which has not seen any existential. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:52.140 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | We've lived under it. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:57.140 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | You see, you're younger. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:25:58.300 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | I don't know if, if, and again, you came from, from Moscow. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:00.260 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | There was a TV show called the day after that had a huge effect on a generation growing | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:05.860 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | up in the U S and it talked about what life would be like after a nuclear exchange. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:13.540 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | We have not gone through an embodied experience collectively where we've thought about this. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:21.020 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | And I think it's one of the most irresponsible things that the elders among us have done, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:27.500 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | which is to provide this beautiful garden in which the thorns are cut off of the, of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:32.780 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | the Rose bushes and all of the edges are rounded and sanded. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:41.820 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | And so people have developed this, this totally unreal idea, which is everything's going to | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:47.860 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | be just fine. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:52.140 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | And do I think that my leading concern is AGI or my leading concern is a thermonuclear | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:26:54.240 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | exchange or gene drives or any one of these things? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:01.180 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | I don't know, but I know that our time here in this very long experiment here is finite | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:04.060 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | because the toys that we've built are so impressive and the wisdom to accompany them has not materialized. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:11.780 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | And I think it's, we actually got a wisdom uptick since 1945. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:19.340 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | We had a lot of dangerous skilled players on the world stage who nevertheless, no matter | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:24.300 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | how bad they were managed to not embroil us in something that we couldn't come back from | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:29.980 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | the cold war. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:38.140 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Yeah, and the distance from the cold war, you know, I'm very mindful of a, there was | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:39.140 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | a Russian tradition actually of on your wedding day, going to visit a memorial to those who | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:46.660 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | gave their lives. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:54.980 |
Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16 | Can you imagine this where you, on the happiest day of your life, you go and you pay homage | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0016-large.html#00:27:55.980 |
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