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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
to the people who fought and died in the battle of Stalingrad.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I'm not a huge fan of communism, I got to say, but there were a couple of things that
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
the Russians did that were really positive in the Soviet era.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And I think trying to let people know how serious life actually is, is the Russian model
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
of seriousness is better than the American model.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And maybe like you mentioned, there was a small echo of that after 9 11.
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But we wouldn't let it form.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
We talk about 9 11, but it's 9 12 that really moved the needle when we were all just there
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and nobody wanted to speak.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
We witnessed something super serious and we didn't want to run to our computers and blast
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
out our deep thoughts and our feelings.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And it was profound because we woke up briefly, you know, I talk about the gated institutional
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
narrative that sort of programs our lives.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I've seen it break three times in my life, one of which was the election of Donald Trump.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Another time was the fall of Lehman Brothers when everybody who knew that Bear Stearns
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
wasn't that important knew that Lehman Brothers met AIG was next.
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And the other one was 9 11.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And so if I'm 53 years old and I only remember three times that the global narrative was
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
really interrupted, that tells you how much we've been on top of developing events.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
You know, I mean we had the Murrow federal building explosion, but it didn't cause the
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
narrative to break.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
It wasn't profound enough.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Around 9 12 we started to wake up out of our slumber and the powers that be did not want
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to coming together.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
They, you know, the admonition was go shopping.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And the powers that be was what is that force as opposed to blaming individuals?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
We don't know.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So whatever that, whatever that force is, there's a component of it that's emergent
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and there's a component of it that's deliberate.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So give yourself a portfolio with two components.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Some amount of it is emergent, but some amount of it is also an understanding that if people
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come together, they become an incredible force.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And what you're seeing right now I think is there are forces that are trying to come together
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and there are forces that are trying to push things apart.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And you know, one of them is the globalist narrative versus the national narrative where
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
to the global, uh, globalist perspective, uh, the nation nations are bad things in essence
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that they're temporary, they're nationalistic, they're jingoistic, it's all negative to people
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
in the national, more in the national idiom, they're saying, look, this is where I pay
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my taxes.
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This is where I do my army service.
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This is where I have a vote.
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This is where I have a passport.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Who the hell are you to tell me that because you've moved into someplace that you can make
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
money globally, that you've chosen to abandon other people to whom you have a special and
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elevated duty.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And I think that these competing narratives have been pushing towards the global perspective,
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
uh, from the elite and a larger and larger number of disenfranchised people are saying,
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
hey, I actually live in a, in a place and I have laws and I speak a language, I have
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a culture.
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And who are you to tell me that because you can profit in some far away land that my obligations
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to my fellow countrymen are so, so much diminished.
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So these tensions between nations and so on, ultimately you see being proud of your country
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and so on, which creates potentially the kind of things that led to wars and so on.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
They, they ultimately, it is human nature and it is good for us for wake up calls of
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different kinds.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Well, I think that these are tensions and my point isn't, I mean, nationalism run amok
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
is a nightmare and internationalism run amok is a nightmare.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And the problem is we're trying to push these pendulums, uh, to some place where they're
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somewhat balanced, where we, we have a higher duty of care to those, uh, who share our log,
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
our laws and our citizenship, but we don't forget our duties of care to the global system.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I would think this is elementary, but the problem that we're facing concerns the ability
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for some to profit at the, by abandoning their obligations, uh, to others within their system.
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And that's what we've had for decades.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
You mentioned nuclear weapons.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I was hoping to get answers from you since one of the many things you've done as a economics
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
and maybe you can understand human behavior of why the heck we haven't blown each other
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
up yet.
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But okay.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So, uh, we'll get back.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I don't know the answer.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Yes.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
It's a, it's a fast.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
It's really important to say that we really don't know.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
A mild uptick in wisdom.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
A mild uptick in wisdom.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Well, Steven Pinker, who I've talked with has a lot of really good ideas about why,
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
but I don't trust his optimism.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Listen, I'm Russian, so I never trust a guy who was that optimistic.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
No, no, no.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
It's just that you're talking about a guy who's looking at a system in which more and
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
more of the kinetic energy like war has been turned into potential energy, like unused
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
nuclear weapons.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Beautifully put.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
You know, now I'm looking at that system and I'm saying, okay, well, if you don't have
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
a potential energy term, then everything's just getting better and better.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Yeah.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Wow.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
That's beautifully put.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Only a physicist could.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Okay.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I'm not a physicist.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Is that a dirty word?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
No, no.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I wish I were a physicist.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Me too.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
My dad's a physicist.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I'm trying to live up that probably for the rest of my life.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
He's probably gonna listen to this too.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
He did.
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