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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
cases and complexities just inside.
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There's so much, it's so fascinating, such a fascinating world.
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I do hope that companies like Tesla and others, even Waymo, which I don't even know if Waymo
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is doing anything sophisticated inside the cab.
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I don't think so.
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It's like, like what, what, what is it?
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I honestly think, I honestly think it goes back to the robotics thing we were talking
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about, which is like great engineers that are building these AI systems just are afraid
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of the human being.
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They're not thinking about the human experience, they're thinking about the features and yeah,
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the perceptual abilities of that thing.
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They think the best way I can serve the human is by doing the best perception and control
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I can by looking at the external environment, keeping the human safe.
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But like, there's a huge, I'm here, like, you know, I need to be noticed and interacted
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with and understood and all those kinds of things, even just on a personal level for
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
entertainment, honestly, for entertainment.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
You know, one of the coolest work we did in collaboration with MIT around this was we
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
looked at longitudinal data, right, because, you know, MIT had access to like tons of data.
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And like just seeing the patterns of people like driving in the morning off to work versus
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like commuting back from work or weekend driving versus weekday driving.
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And wouldn't it be so cool if your car knew that and then was able to optimize either
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the route or the experience or even make recommendations?
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I think it's very powerful.
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Yeah, like, why are you taking this route?
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You're always unhappy when you take this route.
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And you're always happy when you take this alternative route.
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Take that route.
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Exactly.
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But I mean, to have that even that little step of relationship with a car, I think,
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is incredible.
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Of course, you have to get the privacy right, you have to get all that kind of stuff right.
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But I wish I honestly, you know, people are like paranoid about this, but I would like
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a smart refrigerator.
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We have such a deep connection with food as a human civilization.
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I would like to have a refrigerator that would understand me that, you know, I also have
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a complex relationship with food because I, you know, pig out too easily and all that
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kind of stuff.
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So, you know, like, maybe I want the refrigerator to be like, are you sure about this?
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Because maybe you're just feeling down or tired.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Like maybe let's sleep on it.
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Your vision of the smart refrigerator is way kinder than mine.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Is it just me yelling at you?
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
No, it was just because I don't, you know, I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, but
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I eat a ton of chocolate, like it sticks to my vice.
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And so I, and sometimes I scream too, and I'm like, okay, my smart refrigerator will
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just lock down.
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It'll just say, dude, you've had way too many today, like down.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Yeah.
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No, but here's the thing, are you, do you regret having, like, let's say not the next
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day, but 30 days later, what would you like the refrigerator to have done then?
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Well, I think actually like the more positive relationship would be one where there's a
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conversation, right?
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As opposed to like, that's probably like the more sustainable relationship.
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It's like late at night, just, no, listen, listen, I know I told you an hour ago, that
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it's not a good idea, but just listen, things have changed.
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I can just imagine a bunch of stuff being made up just to convince, but I mean, I just
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
think that there's opportunities that, I mean, maybe not locking down, but for our systems
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that are such a deep part of our lives, like we use a lot of us, a lot of people that commute
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use their car every single day.
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A lot of us use a refrigerator every single day, the microwave every single day.
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Like we just, like, I feel like certain things could be made more efficient, more enriching,
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and AI is there to help, like some just basic recognition of you as a human being, but your
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patterns of what makes you happy and not happy and all that kind of stuff.
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And the car, obviously.
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Maybe, maybe, maybe we'll say, wait, wait, wait, wait, instead of this, like, Ben and
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Jerry's ice cream, how about this hummus and carrots or something?
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I don't know.
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It would make it like a just in time recommendation, right?
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But not like a generic one, but a reminder that last time you chose the carrots, you
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smiled 17 times more the next day.
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You're happier the next day, right?
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You're happier the next day.
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And but yeah, I don't, but then again, if you're the kind of person that gets better
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from negative, negative comments, you could say like, hey, remember like that wedding
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you're going to, you want to fit into that dress?
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Remember about that?
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Let's think about that before you're eating this.
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It's for some, probably that would work for me, like a refrigerator that is just ruthless
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at shaming me.
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But like, I would, of course, welcome it, like that would work for me.
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Just that.
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So it would know, I think it would, if it's really like smart, it would optimize its nudging
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based on what works for you, right?
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Exactly.
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That's the whole point.
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Personalization.
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In every way, depersonalization.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
You were a part of a webinar titled Advancing Road Safety, the State of Alcohol Intoxication
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Research.
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So for people who don't know, every year 1.3 million people around the world die in road
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crashes and more than 20% of these fatalities are estimated to be alcohol related.
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A lot of them are also distraction related.
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So can AI help with the alcohol thing?
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I think the answer is yes.
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There are signals and we know that as humans, like we can tell when a person, you know,
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is at different phases of being drunk, right?
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And I think you can use technology to do the same.
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And again, I think the ultimate solution is going to be a combination of different sensors.
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How hard is the problem from the vision perspective?
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I think it's non trivial.
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