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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I think it's non trivial and I think the biggest part is getting the data, right?
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
It's like getting enough data examples.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
So we, for this research project, we partnered with the transportation authorities of Sweden
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and we literally had a racetrack with a safety driver and we basically progressively got
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people drunk.
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Nice.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
So, but, you know, that's a very expensive data set to collect and you want to collect
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it globally and in multiple conditions.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Yeah.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
The ethics of collecting a data set where people are drunk is tricky, which is funny
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
because I mean, let's put drunk driving aside.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
The number of drunk people in the world every day is very large.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
It'd be nice to have a large data set of drunk people getting progressively drunk.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
In fact, you could build an app where people can donate their data cause it's hilarious.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Right.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Actually, yeah.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
But the liability.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Liability, the ethics, how do you get it right?
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
It's tricky.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
It's really, really tricky.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Cause like drinking is one of those things that's funny and hilarious and we're loves
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
it's social, the so on and so forth.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
But it's also the thing that hurts a lot of people.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Like a lot of people, like alcohol is one of those things it's legal, but it's really
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
damaging to a lot of lives.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
It destroys lives and not just in the driving context.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I should mention people should listen to Andrew Huberman who recently talked about alcohol.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
He has an amazing pocket.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Andrew Huberman is a neuroscientist from Stanford and a good friend of mine.
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And he, he's like a human encyclopedia about all health related wisdom.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
So if there's a podcast, you would love it.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I would love that.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
No, no, no, no, no.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
You don't know Andrew Huberman.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Okay.
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Listen, you listen to Andrew, it's called Huberman Lab Podcast.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
This is your assignment.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Just listen to one.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Okay.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I guarantee you this will be a thing where you say, Lex, this is the greatest human I
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have ever discovered.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
So.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Oh my God.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Cause I've really, I've, I'm really on a journey of kind of health and wellness and
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I'm learning lots and I'm trying to like build these, I guess, atomic habits around just
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
being healthy.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
So I, yeah, I'm definitely going to do this.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
His whole thing, this is, this is, this is, this is great.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
He's a legit scientist, like really well published, but in his podcast, what he does, he's not,
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
he's not talking about his own work.
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He's like a human encyclopedia of papers.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
And so he, his whole thing is he takes the topic and in a very fast, you mentioned atomic
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habits, like very clear way summarizes the research in a way that leads to protocols
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of what you should do.
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He's really big on like, not like this is what the science says, but like this is literally
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
what you should be doing according to science.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
So like he's really big and there's a lot of recommendations he does which several of
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
them I definitely don't do, like get some light as soon as possible from waking up and
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like for prolonged periods of time.
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That's a really big one and he's, there's a lot of science behind that one.
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There's a bunch of stuff that you're going to be like, Lex, this is a, this is my new
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favorite person.
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I guarantee it.
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And if you guys somehow don't know Andrew Huberman and you care about your wellbeing,
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you know, you should definitely listen to him.
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I love you, Andrew.
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Anyway, so what were we talking about?
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Oh, alcohol and detecting alcohol.
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So this is a problem you care about and you're trying to solve.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
And actually like broadening it, I do believe that the car is going to be a wellness center,
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
like because again, imagine if you have a variety of sensors inside the vehicle, tracking
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not just your emotional state or level of distraction and drowsiness and intoxication,
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
but also maybe even things like your, you know, your heart rate and your heart rate
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variability and your breathing rate.
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And it can start like optimizing, yeah, it can optimize the ride based on what your goals
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are.
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So I think we're going to start to see more of that and I'm excited about that.
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Yeah.
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What are the, what are the challenges you're tackling while with SmartEye currently?
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What's like the, the trickiest things to get, is it, is it basically convincing more and
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more car companies that having AI inside the car is a good idea or is there some, is there
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more technical algorithmic challenges?
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What's been keeping you mentally busy?
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I think a lot of the car companies we are in conversations with are already interested
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
in definitely driver monitoring.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Like I think it's becoming a must have, but even interior sensing, I can see like we're
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engaged in a lot of like advanced engineering projects and proof of concepts.
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I think technologically though, and that even the technology, I can see a path to making
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it happen.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I think it's the use case.
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Like how does the car respond once it knows something about you?
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Because you want it to respond in a thoughtful way that doesn't, that isn't off putting to
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the consumer in the car.
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So I think that's like the user experience.
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I don't think we've really nailed that.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
And we usually, that's not part, we're the sensing platform, but we usually collaborate
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with the car manufacturer to decide what the use case is.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
So say you do, you figure out that somebody's angry while driving, okay, what should the
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car do?
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Do you see yourself as a role of nudging, of like basically coming up with solutions
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