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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
How are we going to draw the line?
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How are we going to set boundaries?
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We came up with a set of core values that in the hardest of times we fell back on to
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determine how we make decisions.
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And so I feel like just getting clarity on these core, like for us, it was respecting
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people's privacy, only engaging with industries where it's clear opt in.
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So for instance, we don't do any work in security and surveillance.
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So things like that, just getting, we very big on, you know, one of our core values is
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human connection and empathy, right?
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And that is, yes, it's an AI company, but it's about people.
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Well, these are all, they become encoded in how we act, even if you're a small, tiny team
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of two or three or whatever.
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So I think that's another piece of advice.
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So what about finding people, hiring people?
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If you care about people as much as you do, like this, it seems like such a difficult
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thing to hire the right people.
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I think early on as a startup, you want people who have, who share the passion and the conviction
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because it's going to be tough.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Like I've yet to meet a startup where it was just a straight line to success, right?
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Even not just startup, like even everyday people's lives, right?
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You always like run into obstacles and you run into naysayers and you need people who
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are believers, whether they're people on your team or even your investors.
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You need investors who are really believers in what you're doing, because that means they
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will stick with you.
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They won't give up at the first obstacle.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I think that's important.
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What about raising money?
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
What about finding investors, first of all, raising money, but also raising money from
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the right sources from that ultimately don't hinder you, but help you, empower you, all
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that kind of stuff.
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What advice would you give there?
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You successfully raised money many times in your life.
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Yeah.
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Again, it's not just about the money.
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It's about finding the right investors who are going to be aligned in terms of what you
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want to build and believe in your core values.
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For example, especially later on, in my latest round of funding, I try to bring in investors
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that really care about the ethics of AI and the alignment of vision and mission and core
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values is really important.
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It's like you're picking a life partner.
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It's the same kind of...
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So you take it that seriously for investors?
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Yeah, because they're going to have to stick with you.
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You're stuck together.
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For a while anyway.
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Yeah.
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Maybe not for life, but for a while, for sure.
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For better or worse.
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I forget what the vowels usually sound like.
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For better or worse?
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Through something.
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Yeah.
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Oh boy.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, it's romantic and deep and you're in it for a while.
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So it's not just about the money.
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You tweeted about going to your first capital camp investing get together and that you learned
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a lot.
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So this is about investing.
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So what have you learned from that?
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What have you learned about investing in general from both because you've been on both ends
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of it?
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I mean, I try to use my experience as an operator now with my investor hat on when I'm identifying
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companies to invest in.
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First of all, I think the good news is because I have a technology background and I really
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understand machine learning and computer vision and AI, et cetera, I can apply that level
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of understanding because everybody says they're an AI company or they're an AI tech.
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And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, show me the technology.
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So I can do that level of diligence, which I actually love.
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And then I have to do the litmus test of, if I'm in a conversation with you, am I excited
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to tell you about this new company that I just met?
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And if I'm an ambassador for that company and I'm passionate about what they're doing,
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I usually use that.
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Yeah.
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That's important to me when I'm investing.
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So that means you actually can explain what they're doing and you're excited about it.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Thank you for putting it so succinctly, like rambling, but exactly that's it.
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No, but sometimes it's funny, but sometimes it's unclear exactly.
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I'll hear people tell me, you know, in the talk for a while and it sounds cool, like
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they paint a picture of a world, but then when you try to summarize it, you're not
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exactly clear.
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Like maybe what the core powerful idea is, like you can't just build another Facebook
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or there has to be a core, simple to explain idea that then you can or can't get excited
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about, but it's there, it's right there.
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Yeah.
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But how do you ultimately pick who you think will be successful?
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It's not just about the thing you're excited about, like there's other stuff.
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Right.
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And then there's all the, you know, with early stage companies, like pre seed companies,
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which is where I'm investing, sometimes the business model isn't clear yet, or the go
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to market strategy isn't clear.
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There's usually like, it's very early on that some of these things haven't been hashed
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out, which is okay.
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So the way I like to think about it is like, if this company is successful, will this be
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a multi billion slash trillion dollar market, you know, or company?
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And so that's definitely a lens that I use.
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What's pre seed?
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What are the different stages and what's the most exciting stage and what's, or no, what's
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