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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
interesting about every stage, I guess.
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Yeah.
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So pre seed is usually when you're just starting out, you've maybe raised the friends and family
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rounds.
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So you've raised some money from people, you know, and you're getting ready to take your
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first institutional check in, like first check from an investor.
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And I love the stage.
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There's a lot of uncertainty.
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Some investors really don't like the stage because the financial models aren't there.
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Often the teams aren't even like formed really, really early.
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But to me, it's like a magical stage because it's the time when there's so much conviction,
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so much belief, almost delusional, right?
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And there's a little bit of naivete around with founders at the stage.
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I just love it.
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It's contagious.
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And I love that I can, often they're first time founders, not always, but often they're
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first time founders and I can share my experience as a founder myself and I can empathize, right?
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
And I can almost, I create a safe ground where, because, you know, you have to be careful
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
what you tell your investors, right?
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And I will often like say, I've been in your shoes as a founder.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
You can tell me if it's challenging, you can tell me what you're struggling with.
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It's okay to vent.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
So I create that safe ground and I think that's a superpower.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
Yeah.
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You have to, I guess you have to figure out if this kind of person is going to be able
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
to ride the roller coaster, like of many pivots and challenges and all that kind of stuff.
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
And if the space of ideas they're working in is interesting, like the way they think
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about the world.
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Yeah.
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Because if it's successful, the thing they end up with might be very different, the reason
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it's successful for them.
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Actually, you know, I was going to say the third, so the technology is one aspect, the
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market or the idea, right, is the second and the third is the founder, right?
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Is this somebody who I believe has conviction, is a hustler, you know, is going to overcome
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obstacles?
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Yeah, I think that is going to be a great leader, right?
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Like as a startup, as a founder, you're often, you are the first person and your role is
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to bring amazing people around you to build this thing.
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And so you're an evangelist, right?
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So how good are you going to be at that?
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So I try to evaluate that too.
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You also in the tweet thread about it, mention, is this a known concept, random rich dudes
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are RDS and saying that there should be like random rich women, I guess.
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What's the dudes, what's the dudes version of women, the women version of dudes, ladies?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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What's, what's, is this a technical term?
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Is this known?
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Random rich dudes?
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Rana el Kaliouby: Emotion AI, Social Robots, and Self-Driving Cars | Lex Fridman Podcast #322
I didn't make that up, but I was at this capital camp, which is a get together for investors
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of all types.
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And there must have been maybe 400 or so attendees, maybe 20 were women.
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It was just very disproportionately, you know, male dominated, which I'm used to.
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I think you're used to this kind of thing.
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I'm used to it, but it's still surprising.
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And as I'm raising money for this fund, so my fund partner is a guy called Rob May, who's
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done this before.
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So I'm new to the investing world, but he's done this before.
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Most of our investors in the fund are these, I mean, awesome.
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I'm super grateful to them.
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Random just rich guys.
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I'm like, where are the rich women?
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So I'm really adamant in both investing in women led AI companies, but I also would love
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to have women investors be part of my fund because I think that's how we drive change.
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Yeah.
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So that takes time, of course, but there's been quite a lot of progress, but yeah, for
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the next Mark Zuckerberg to be a woman and all that kind of stuff, because that's just
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like a huge number of wealth generated by women and then controlled by women and allocated
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by women and all that kind of stuff.
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And then beyond just women, just broadly across all different measures of diversity and so
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on.
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Let me ask you to put on your wise sage hat.
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So you already gave advice on startups and just advice for women, but in general advice
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for folks in high school or college today, how to have a career they can be proud of,
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how to have a life they can be proud of.
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I suppose you have to give this kind of advice to your kids.
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Yeah.
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Well, here's the number one advice that I give to my kids.
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My daughter's now 19 by the way, and my son's 13 and a half, so they're not little kids
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anymore.
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Does it break your heart?
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It does.
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They're awesome.
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They're my best friends, but yeah, I think the number one advice I would share is embark
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on a journey without attaching to outcomes and enjoy the journey, right?
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So we often were so obsessed with the end goal that doesn't allow us to be open to different
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endings of a journey or a story, so you become like so fixated on a particular path.
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You don't see the beauty in the other alternative path, and then you forget to enjoy the journey
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because you're just so fixated on the goal, and I've been guilty of that for many, many
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years of my life, and I'm now trying to make the shift of, no, no, no, I'm going to again
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trust that things are going to work out and it'll be amazing and maybe even exceed your
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dreams.
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We have to be open to that.
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Yeah.
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Taking a leap into all kinds of things.
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I think you tweeted like you went on vacation by yourself or something like this.
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I know.
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Yes, and just going, just taking the leap.
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Doing it.
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Totally doing it.
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