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Daniel Negreanu: Poker | Lex Fridman Podcast #324
it's the same game, right?
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Same, it's poker,
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but it's different in so many levels, right?
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I think playing online,
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you have to focus far more on fundamentals.
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You know, on game theory,
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you don't have the added bonus of looking across the table
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and getting any sense of whether your opponent
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is strong or weak, they're bluffing, whatever, you know.
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And also because online poker, those that play it,
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you play far more hands.
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Like some of these guys are playing 10, 20 tables
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at the same time, right?
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So you're just, you're hitting the long run really quickly
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and you're creating a database on your opponents, right?
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So let's say, you know, online, I can see your data.
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I'm like, well, this guy, he's playing 40% of hands.
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He's betting the river 80% of the time.
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So now I can use that data and, you know,
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exploit you that way.
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When you play live, you don't have that.
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Do you enjoy playing online?
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I enjoy, so with online poker, I enjoy the convenience of it
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because, you know, you can be on your couch
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in your underwear, not leave your house.
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Do you also play multiple games at the same time
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or do you try to play one game?
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I typically like to play one or two,
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but I can play up to four.
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I find that past four, it's hard for me to keep up
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and keep track of what's actually happening.
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You know, it's a different mindset required.
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Daniel Negreanu: Poker | Lex Fridman Podcast #324
Like a lot of these young guys,
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they're accustomed to 20 tables at a time.
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It feels like the purity of the game is gone.
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Daniel Negreanu: Poker | Lex Fridman Podcast #324
It's much more robotic, right?
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So if you're playing 20 tables,
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you're just making decisions based on like what, you know,
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you're not thinking about the depth of the situation
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and what just happened 15 minutes ago.
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You don't even know what happened
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because you can't pay attention to all that at once.
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And some of the magic of poker is the low sample.
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I agree.
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For example, and sorry to be bringing up Magnus so much,
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but there's so much parallel between the two of you
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and the poker and the chess world.
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He hates Olympics and world championships
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and all that kind of stuff because it's so low sample.
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But to me, that's part of the magic of it.
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There's the World Series of Poker, the main event.
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There's a magic to it.
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I agree, yeah.
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And I don't know what that is exactly
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because so much of the stake is so rare,
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so much drama and heartbreak leading up to it
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that all somehow, yeah, it accumulates
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to that magical moment when somebody wins.
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Especially that event,
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the World Series of Poker main event historically,
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like that's it, you know, that's the pinnacle.
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That's where like mainstream watches,
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that's where people are tuning in
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and the gravity of the moment, you know,
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it's so much bigger than people,
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like everyone gets the opportunity
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to play armchair quarterback too, right?
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Oh, he should do this.
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You're not there.
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You're not under the lights.
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You're not under the pressure.
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You know, it might seem easy for you at home to be like,
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well, yeah, but you can see the whole cards.
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You know, they can't.
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Certainly the idea of the small sample with tournaments,
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I like the idea that you don't have to worry about,
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oh, well, if I do this now, then in the future,
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you know, I won't be balanced.
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I have to be balanced here or anything like that.
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That's like really boring and lame, right?
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Again, that is kind of the way the younger generation
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learns how to play the game, being balanced in every spot
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and then randomizing, you know, like, oh,
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I'm supposed to do this 50% of the time.
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Okay, so if my left card is red, I'll do it.
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And if it's black, I don't.
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So you're not even making,
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you're no longer making actual decisions for yourself.
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You're just randomizing.
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And that's way less fun for me
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than tailoring it to the situation.
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And the final table at the main event,
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there's none of that.
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You have to, I mean, it's all or nothing.
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Well, you shouldn't be, but there are like, again,
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I think a lot of the young guys,
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they are thinking in that regard,
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like, oh, randomization.
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Maybe at that table, the final table at the main event,
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what's a hand that stands out to you
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