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And when he walked off the stage, he told me to go back to Washington and to close the office. The power of that negative example and his crying on national television meant to him that he could not win in an election, and Richard Nixon got elected. How might our world have been different had Mr. Muskie not been attack...	and when he, walked off the stage he told me to go back to. washington and to close the; office the power of that. negative example and his crying on national television meant to him that he could not win in an election, and richard nixon got, elected how might our world have been different had mr muskie not been attac...	And when he walked off the stage he told me to go back to Washington; and to close the office. The power of that negative example and his crying on national television meant to, him that he could not win in an election and Richard Nixon got elected How might; our world have, been different had Mr Muskie not been attack...	and when he walked off the stage, he told me to go back to washington and to close the office. the power of that negative example and his crying on national television meant to him that he could not win in an election, and richard nixon got elected. how might our world have been different had mr. muskie not been attack...
And, David Mark, wasn't it Muskie saying those were snowflakes melting on his cheeks?	and david mark wasn't it muskie saying those were snowflakes; melting on his	And David, Mark wasn't it Muskie saying those were, snowflakes melting, on his	and, david mark, wasn't it muskie saying those were snowflakes melting on his cheeks?
Yes.			yes.
Right. It's really interesting to hear somebody who was involved in that campaign, literally on the ground, kind of give a different version of events, because that's always been among the disputes about that campaign, whether Senator Muskie really was shedding a tear or whether it was precipitation from the sky.	right it's, really interesting to hear, somebody who was involved in that campaign literally on the ground kind of give a different version of events because that's always been among the disputes about that campaign whether senator muskie really was shedding a. tear. or whether it was precipitation from the	Right It's really interesting to hear, somebody who, was involved in that. campaign literally on the. ground kind of give a different version of events because that's always been among the disputes about that campaign whether Senator Muskie really was shedding a tear or whether it was precipitation, from the	right. it's really interesting to hear somebody who was involved in that campaign, literally on the ground, kind of give a different version of events, because that's always been among the disputes about that campaign, whether senator muskie really was shedding a tear or whether it was precipitation from the sky.
Whatever the reality, it really hurt the perception of his campaign. And that's a scenario where I would actually distinguish between negative campaigning and dirty tricks, where you're really presenting false information, not letting voters have the accurate facts to come up with their own determinations on who to vot...	whatever the reality it really hurt the perception of his campaign, and that's a scenario, where i would, actually distinguish between negative campaigning and, dirty tricks where you're really presenting false information not letting, voters have the accurate facts to come up. with their own determinations on who to v...	Whatever the reality it really, hurt the perception of his. campaign. And that's a. scenario where I would actually distinguish between, negative campaigning and dirty tricks where you're really presenting. false information not letting voters have the accurate facts to come up with their. own, determinations on who to...	whatever the reality, it really hurt the perception of his campaign. and that's a scenario where i would actually distinguish between negative campaigning and dirty tricks, where you're really presenting false information, not letting voters have the accurate facts to come up with their own determinations on who to vot...
But...			but...
It was correct information. It's just, in the '70s, when you went into alcohol rehab, that was a big deal.	it was correct information it's just in the '70s when you went. into alcohol rehab. that was a big,	It, was correct information It's just in the '70s when you went into alcohol rehab that was a big	it was correct information. it's just, in the '70s, when you went into alcohol rehab, that was a big deal.
The days before Betty Ford, yes.	the days before betty ford	The days, before Betty Ford	the days before betty ford, yes.
Yes. It was well before Betty Ford. But it killed the campaign, and it was just kind of, I thought, the ultimate dirty trick, negative thing.	yes, it was well before, betty. ford but it killed the campaign and it was just kind of i thought. the ultimate dirty trick negative	Yes It was well before Betty Ford But it killed the campaign and it was just kind of I thought the, ultimate dirty trick negative	yes. it was well before betty ford. but it killed the campaign, and it was just kind of, i thought, the ultimate dirty trick, negative thing.
Charlie Mahtesian, it's interesting. We've had sort of hands-off families. The Obama campaign and the Clintons before that have been very careful to keep their kids, in particular, off limits.	charlie, mahtesian it's interesting we've had sort of. hands-off families the obama campaign and the, clintons. before that have been very careful to keep their kids in. particular off	Charlie Mahtesian it's. interesting We've had sort of hands-off families The, Obama campaign and the Clintons before that have been very careful to keep their kids in particular, off	charlie mahtesian, it's interesting. we've had sort of hands-off families. the obama campaign and the clintons before that have been very careful to keep their kids, in particular, off limits.
That's true, although I think the rules change somewhat, depending on the campaign and depending on how the candidates use it. Number one, I think standards have lowered a little bit in that some members of the family are fair game. I think that's a change, an evolution over the years.	that's true although i think the rules change somewhat depending on the campaign and depending. on how the. candidates use it number one i think, standards have lowered a little bit. in. that, some members of the. family are fair game i. think that's a change an evolution over the	That's true although I think the rules change somewhat depending on the campaign and depending on how the candidates use it Number one I think standards have lowered a little bit in that some members of the family are fair game. I think. that's a change an evolution over the	that's true, although i think the rules change somewhat, depending on the campaign and depending on how the candidates use it. number one, i think standards have lowered a little bit in that some members of the family are fair game. i think that's a change, an evolution over the years.
But the other part, too, is I think if you talk to many campaigns, they will sometimes suggest that as soon as the family becomes an integral part of the campaign in a way that goes beyond the typical family values, photo or shots, then they become fair game. When one becomes a surrogate, for example, when one of the f...	but the other part too is i think if you. talk to many. campaigns they will sometimes suggest that as soon. as the family becomes an integral part of the campaign in a way that goes. beyond the typical family values photo or shots then they become fair game when one. becomes a surrogate for example when one of the fami...	But. the; other part too; is I think if you, talk to many campaigns they will sometimes suggest that as soon as the family becomes an integral part of the campaign, in a way that goes beyond the, typical family values photo or shots then they. become fair game When one becomes, a surrogate for example when one of the f...	but the other part, too, is i think if you talk to many campaigns, they will sometimes suggest that as soon as the family becomes an integral part of the campaign in a way that goes beyond the typical family values, photo or shots, then they become fair game. when one becomes a surrogate, for example, when one of the f...
Here's an email from Max: Negativity is often honesty. I've been involved in political campaigns for the past eight years. Political candidates are very competitive people who often genuinely dislike their opponents. And there are a lot of politicians who are actually rather terrible people. If I see a candidate who ev...	here's, an email from max: negativity is often honesty i've been involved in political campaigns for the past eight years political candidates are very competitive people who often genuinely dislike their opponents and, there are a lot of politicians who are actually rather terrible people if i see, a candidate who eva...	Here's an. email, from. Max: Negativity is often honesty I've been, involved in political campaigns for the past, eight years Political candidates are. very competitive people who often genuinely dislike their opponents And there are a lot of politicians who are actually rather terrible people If I see a candidate who ...	here's an email from max: negativity is often honesty. i've been involved in political campaigns for the past eight years. political candidates are very competitive people who often genuinely dislike their opponents. and there are a lot of politicians who are actually rather terrible people. if i see a candidate who ev...
Right. That was an example of kind of being Mister Nice Guy and not really being as aggressive as Governor Pawlenty potentially could have in that campaign. Whether that moment alone killed off his candidacy, we could debate all day long. But clearly, he could have been much more aggressive there. And it is also worth ...	right that was an example of kind of being mister nice guy and not really being as aggressive as governor pawlenty potentially. could have. in that campaign whether that moment alone killed off his candidacy we could debate all day long but clearly he could have been much more aggressive there and, it is also worth not...	Right That was an example of kind of being Mister Nice Guy and not really being as aggressive as Governor Pawlenty potentially could have in that campaign Whether that moment alone killed off his candidacy we could debate all day long But; clearly he could have been much more aggressive there And; it is also worth noth...	right. that was an example of kind of being mister nice guy and not really being as aggressive as governor pawlenty potentially could have in that campaign. whether that moment alone killed off his candidacy, we could debate all day long. but clearly, he could have been much more aggressive there. and it is also worth ...
So I do agree with the caller. It's essentially up to the opposition to fill in those gaps and paint a more - a fuller picture.	so i do agree. with the caller it's essentially up to the; opposition to fill in. those. gaps and paint a more - a fuller,	So I do agree with the caller It's essentially up to the opposition to fill in those gaps and paint a more - a. fuller	so i do agree with the caller. it's essentially up to the opposition to fill in those gaps and paint a more - a fuller picture.
Charlie?			charlie?
Well, I think while there's a human element involved, and that's very important as it was in the Pawlenty case, the local political culture matters too. For example, the caller from South Dakota is from a political culture that's much cleaner in the upper Midwest than it is in other parts of the country. You read what'...	well i, think while there's, a human element involved and that's very important as it was in the pawlenty case the local political culture matters too for example the caller from south dakota is from a political culture that's, much cleaner in; the upper midwest than it is. in other parts of the country you read what's...	Well I think while there's a human element, involved and. that's very important as it was in the Pawlenty case the local, political culture, matters too For, example the caller from South Dakota. is, from a; political culture that's much cleaner in the, upper Midwest; than. it, is in other parts of the country You read...	well, i think while there's a human element involved, and that's very important as it was in the pawlenty case, the local political culture matters too. for example, the caller from south dakota is from a political culture that's much cleaner in the upper midwest than it is in other parts of the country. you read what'...
Charlie Mahtesian, thanks very much for being with us today, pinch-hitting as our Political Junkie. Ken Rudin will be back next week. Thanks.	charlie mahtesian thanks very much for, being with us today. pinch-hitting as our political junkie ken rudin will be back next week	Charlie Mahtesian thanks very; much for being, with us today pinch-hitting as our Political Junkie Ken Rudin will, be back, next week	charlie mahtesian, thanks very much for being with us today, pinch-hitting as our political junkie. ken rudin will be back next week. thanks.
Thank you.	thank	Thank	thank you.
And, David Mark, appreciate your time.	and. david mark appreciate your.	And David Mark appreciate your	and, david mark, appreciate your time.
My pleasure. Thank you.	my pleasure thank	My pleasure Thank	my pleasure. thank you.
David Mark is editor-in-chief of Politix. He joined us from a studio in Stanford University.	david mark is editor-in-chief of politix he joined. us from a studio in stanford	David Mark is editor-in-chief of Politix He joined us from a studio in Stanford	david mark is editor-in-chief of politix. he joined us from a studio in stanford university.
When we come back in just a second, we'll be talking about political culture in Moscow.	when we come back in just a second we'll be talking about political culture in	When we come, back in just a. second we'll, be talking about political culture in	when we come back in just a second, we'll be talking about political culture in moscow.
More than 2,000 people attempt to hike the Appalachian Trail each year, some in search of B.J. Leiderman, who writes our theme music. It takes more than stamina, sometimes, to trek through 14 states from Georgia to Maine. Now, a reclusive craftsman known for hiking barefoot is offering a little help, one hand-carved wo...	more than 2,000 people attempt to, hike the appalachian trail, each year some in search of. b.j leiderman who writes our theme music it takes, more than stamina. sometimes to trek through 14 states from, georgia to maine now a. reclusive. craftsman. known for hiking barefoot is offering a, little help one. hand-carved ...	More than 2,000 people attempt to hike the Appalachian Trail each; year some in. search, of B.J Leiderman who writes our theme music It takes more than stamina sometimes to trek through 14 states from Georgia to Maine Now a reclusive. craftsman known for hiking barefoot is offering a little help one hand-carved wooden ...	more than 2,000 people attempt to hike the appalachian trail each year, some in search of b.j. leiderman, who writes our theme music. it takes more than stamina, sometimes, to trek through 14 states from georgia to maine. now, a reclusive craftsman known for hiking barefoot is offering a little help, one hand-carved wo...
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Jim Tabor is hiking down the Pennsylvania stretch of the Appalachian Trail when he runs across Michael McKelvey coming in the opposite direction. Over 1,000 miles into his hike, McKelvey is schlepping a loaded backpack with about 35 pounds of gear. Tabor hikes here often so he offers McKelvey some local knowledge.	jim tabor is hiking down the pennsylvania stretch of the appalachian trail. when he runs across michael mckelvey coming in the. opposite direction over 1,000 miles into his hike mckelvey is schlepping a loaded backpack with about 35 pounds of gear, tabor, hikes here often so he offers mckelvey some local	Jim Tabor is. hiking, down the Pennsylvania stretch of the Appalachian Trail. when he runs across Michael McKelvey coming in the opposite direction Over 1,000 miles into, his hike McKelvey is schlepping a loaded backpack with about 35 pounds of gear Tabor hikes here often so he offers McKelvey some local	jim tabor is hiking down the pennsylvania stretch of the appalachian trail when he runs across michael mckelvey coming in the opposite direction. over 1,000 miles into his hike, mckelvey is schlepping a loaded backpack with about 35 pounds of gear. tabor hikes here often so he offers mckelvey some local knowledge.
When you get near the border, there's - you come down the mountain.	when you. get near the border there's - you come down the	When. you get near the border there's, - you come down the	when you get near the border, there's - you come down the mountain.
You cross a bridge. And there's a great, big camping area.	you, cross a bridge and there's. a great big camping,	You cross a bridge And there's a great big camping	you cross a bridge. and there's a great, big camping area.
Cool.			cool.
What's your trail name?	what's your trail	What's your trail	what's your trail name?
Trivial.			trivial.
Trivial, OK.	trivial	Trivial	trivial, ok.
Yeah, that's me.	yeah. that's	Yeah that's	yeah, that's me.
Nice to meet you, Trivial.	nice to, meet you	Nice to meet you	nice to meet you, trivial.
Going by trail names isn't the only tradition that permeates the trail community. For example, trail magic is something unexpected that lifts a hiker's spirit. And trail angels are the people who provide trail magic. McKelvey says it can be as simple as a ride to the grocery store or a hot shower after days of hiking a...	going by trail names isn't the only. tradition that permeates the, trail community for example trail magic is something unexpected that lifts a hiker's spirit and trail angels are the people who provide trail magic mckelvey says it can be as simple as a ride to the grocery store or a hot shower after days, of hiking; a...	Going by. trail names. isn't the only tradition; that permeates the trail community For example trail magic is something, unexpected, that lifts a hiker's spirit. And trail angels are the people who provide trail magic McKelvey says it can be as; simple as a ride to, the grocery store or a hot shower after days of hiki...	going by trail names isn't the only tradition that permeates the trail community. for example, trail magic is something unexpected that lifts a hiker's spirit. and trail angels are the people who provide trail magic. mckelvey says it can be as simple as a ride to the grocery store or a hot shower after days of hiking a...
But I do think that just this little piece that got forward might be very interesting to see how it pans out.	but i do think that just this little piece that got forward. might be very interesting to see how it pans	But I do think that just this little piece that got forward might be very interesting. to see how it pans	but i do think that just this little piece that got forward might be very interesting to see how it pans out.
Richard Land is the head of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics Commission. He says teaching kids about contraception in schools or in church is like saying, listen, we want you to wait until you're married, but we don't expect you to listen to us, so here's how to use a condom.	richard. land is the head of the southern baptist convention's ethics commission. he. says teaching kids, about, contraception in schools or in church is like. saying listen we want you. to wait until you're married but we. don't expect you to listen to, us so here's how, to. use a	Richard Land is; the head of the, Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics Commission. He says teaching kids about contraception in schools, or in church is like saying listen we want you to wait until you're married but we don't expect you to listen to us so here's how to use a	richard land is the head of the southern baptist convention's ethics commission. he says teaching kids about contraception in schools or in church is like saying, listen, we want you to wait until you're married, but we don't expect you to listen to us, so here's how to use a condom.
We wouldn't do it. I can tell you right now there's not a Southern Baptist Church - there might be one somewhere, but there'll be - I can probably count them on the fingers of two hands - that would talk about contraception to unmarried children.	we wouldn't do it i can tell you right now there's not a southern baptist church - there might be one. somewhere. but there'll be - i can probably count them on the fingers of two hands - that would talk about. contraception to unmarried,	We wouldn't do it I can tell. you right now there's not a Southern Baptist Church - there might be one; somewhere but there'll be - I can probably count them, on the fingers of two hands - that would talk about contraception to unmarried	we wouldn't do it. i can tell you right now there's not a southern baptist church - there might be one somewhere, but there'll be - i can probably count them on the fingers of two hands - that would talk about contraception to unmarried children.
Fifteen-year-old Kelsey Peterson(ph) says that more information has helped her make better decisions. She's a member of the faith and sexuality class at the Federal Way United Church of Christ.	fifteen-year-old kelsey peterson(ph) says that more information has helped her make better decisions she's a member of the faith and sexuality class at the federal way united church of	Fifteen-year-old. Kelsey Peterson(ph) says that more information has helped her make better decisions She's a. member of the faith and sexuality class at the Federal Way United Church. of	fifteen-year-old kelsey peterson(ph) says that more information has helped her make better decisions. she's a member of the faith and sexuality class at the federal way united church of christ.
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