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I'm only on level one of “Zelda,” so I'm pretty well intact, you know. | i'm only on level one of “zelda,” so i'm, pretty well, intact, you | I'm only on level one of “Zelda,” so I'm pretty well intact you | i'm only on level one of “zelda,” so i'm pretty well intact, you know. |
You're listening to SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR. I'm Ira Flatow. | you're listening to science friday from npr i'm ira | You're listening, to SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR I'm Ira | you're listening to science friday from npr. i'm ira flatow. |
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Here's what fascinates me about the Wii. So the Wii is the new Nintendo system. It's this very small little white box. It looks very much like an Apple design, right? It's a little kind of white thing, sits very prettily, glows blue next to your television. This is the first gaming system - I'm not a huge gamer, but we... | here's what fascinates me about the wii so the wii is the new nintendo system it's this very small little white box it. looks very. much like an apple. design right? it's a little kind of white thing sits very prettily glows blue next to your television this, is the first gaming system - i'm not a huge gamer but we got... | Here's, what fascinates. me about the Wii So. the Wii is the new Nintendo; system It's this very, small little, white box It looks. very much like an. Apple design right? It's. a little, kind of white thing sits very prettily glows blue next to your, television This is the first gaming system - I'm not a huge gamer but... | here's what fascinates me about the wii. so the wii is the new nintendo system. it's this very small little white box. it looks very much like an apple design, right? it's a little kind of white thing, sits very prettily, glows blue next to your television. this is the first gaming system - i'm not a huge gamer, but we... |
This is a system where - you know, the game that I tried out was the tennis game. | this is a system, where - you know the game that i tried, out was, the tennis | This is a system where - you, know; the game that I tried out was the tennis | this is a system where - you know, the game that i tried out was the tennis game. |
I love the tennis game. | i love the tennis | I. love the tennis; | i love the tennis game. |
It's fantastic. And on the Wii the graphics are very cartoonish, intentionally so, because it's simple, right? But the controllers are motion sensitive and wireless. So you stand there and you play tennis as if the controller was your racket. You flick your wrist to hit a ball. | it's fantastic and on the wii the graphics are very cartoonish intentionally so because it's simple right? but the controllers are motion, sensitive and wireless so you stand there and you play tennis as if the controller was your racket you flick your wrist to hit a | It's fantastic And on the Wii the graphics are very, cartoonish. intentionally so because it's. simple right? But the, controllers are motion sensitive and wireless So you stand there and you play tennis; as if the controller was your racket You flick your wrist to hit, a | it's fantastic. and on the wii the graphics are very cartoonish, intentionally so, because it's simple, right? but the controllers are motion sensitive and wireless. so you stand there and you play tennis as if the controller was your racket. you flick your wrist to hit a ball. |
And it's really compelling. I mean it's like Tetris compelling because it's really fun. And you sort of stand there with another person standing next to you, and you're making kind of charades-like gesticulations and trying to get this, trying to win a doubles tennis match. | and it's really compelling i mean it's like tetris compelling because it's really fun and you sort of. stand. there with another person standing next to you. and you're making kind of charades-like gesticulations and trying to get this trying to win a doubles tennis | And it's really compelling I mean it's like Tetris. compelling because. it's really fun And you sort of stand there with another person standing next to. you and you're making kind of charades-like gesticulations and trying to get this, trying to win a doubles tennis | and it's really compelling. i mean it's like tetris compelling because it's really fun. and you sort of stand there with another person standing next to you, and you're making kind of charades-like gesticulations and trying to get this, trying to win a doubles tennis match. |
It really was kind of a journey back to simplicity for video games, for computer games, which is totally the opposite direction that most gamers - most game systems, most game software makers are headed. You know, it's almost like the difference between the Airbus A-380, the giant, you know, double-decker, 600 people, ... | it really was kind of a journey back to simplicity for video games for computer games which is totally the opposite. direction that most gamers - most game systems most game software makers are headed you know it's almost like the difference between the; airbus a-380, the. giant. you know double-decker 600 people flies... | It really was. kind of a journey, back to simplicity for video games for computer games which is totally the opposite direction that. most gamers - most game systems; most game software makers are headed You know it's almost, like the difference between, the Airbus; A-380, the giant you. know double-decker 600 people f... | it really was kind of a journey back to simplicity for video games, for computer games, which is totally the opposite direction that most gamers - most game systems, most game software makers are headed. you know, it's almost like the difference between the airbus a-380, the giant, you know, double-decker, 600 people, ... |
The Wii is just a really pleasant experience as a game. And that's - it's something that, as people get more and more serious about the games, I have a suspicion that they get less fun. The Wii is actually more fun. | the wii is, just a really pleasant experience as a game and that's - it's something. that as people get, more and. more serious about the games i have a suspicion that they get less fun the wii is actually more | The Wii is just a. really pleasant experience as a game And that's - it's something that as people get more and more serious. about the games I have, a suspicion that they get less fun The Wii is actually more | the wii is just a really pleasant experience as a game. and that's - it's something that, as people get more and more serious about the games, i have a suspicion that they get less fun. the wii is actually more fun. |
You actually hold all the sports equipment like you do in real life. I mean it's a little - the controller, they show you how to hold it in the golf game. You have to hold it like a golf club, stand sideways to the screen, and swing, like, the club. And someone imitates it on the screen. | you actually hold all the, sports. equipment like, you do in real, life i mean it's a little - the controller they show you how to hold, it in the golf game you have to hold it, like a golf club stand sideways to, the screen and swing like, the club and someone imitates it on the | You actually, hold all the sports equipment like you do in; real life, I mean it's a little - the controller they show you how to hold it in the golf game You have to hold, it like a golf club stand sideways to the screen and swing like the club And someone imitates it on the | you actually hold all the sports equipment like you do in real life. i mean it's a little - the controller, they show you how to hold it in the golf game. you have to hold it like a golf club, stand sideways to the screen, and swing, like, the club. and someone imitates it on the screen. |
Bend your knees, keep your back straight… | bend your knees keep. your back | Bend your knees keep your, back | bend your knees, keep your back straight… |
Yeah. And, you know, it's just - baseball it's as hard as somebody throwing in 95-mile-an-hour baseball, actually, when you don't have to hold the thing like a bat. | yeah and you know it's just - baseball it's as hard as somebody throwing in 95-mile-an-hour baseball actually when you don't have to hold the thing like a | Yeah And you know, it's just - baseball it's as hard as somebody throwing in 95-mile-an-hour baseball. actually when you don't have to hold the thing like a | yeah. and, you know, it's just - baseball it's as hard as somebody throwing in 95-mile-an-hour baseball, actually, when you don't have to hold the thing like a bat. |
So you really, I think, as you say, you actually are part of the game instead of just using your thumb to manipulate it like you do in the other controllers. It's just quite amazing. | so you. really i think as you say you actually are part of the game instead of just using your thumb to manipulate it, like you do in the other controllers it's just quite | So you really I think as you say you actually, are part, of the game instead of just using your thumb to manipulate it like you do, in the other controllers It's just quite, | so you really, i think, as you say, you actually are part of the game instead of just using your thumb to manipulate it like you do in the other controllers. it's just quite amazing. |
This is such an important thing that's going on now with the kind of computers and the online - I think this year was really the first year where you could seriously talk about online worlds and not the be totally geeking out. I mean places like “EverQuest” and “World of Warcraft” and “Second Life” and “The Sims” all r... | this is such an important thing that's going on now with the. kind of computers and the. online - i think this year was really the first. year where you could seriously talk about online worlds and not the be totally geeking out i mean places like “everquest” and “world of warcraft” and “second life” and “the sims” all... | This; is such an important thing that's going on now with the kind of computers, and the, online. - I think this, year was really the first year where you could seriously talk about online worlds and not the be totally geeking out I mean places. like “EverQuest” and “World of Warcraft” and “Second Life” and. “The Sims”... | this is such an important thing that's going on now with the kind of computers and the online - i think this year was really the first year where you could seriously talk about online worlds and not the be totally geeking out. i mean places like “everquest” and “world of warcraft” and “second life” and “the sims” all r... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
And that's a profound change in the way people I think interact with each other, and sort of think about themselves and their own personalities and where they are in space and time. | and that's a profound change in the way, people i think; interact. with each, other and sort of think about themselves and their own personalities and where they are, in space, and | And that's a profound change in the way people I think interact with each other and sort of think about, themselves and their own personalities and where they are in space and | and that's a profound change in the way people i think interact with each other, and sort of think about themselves and their own personalities and where they are in space and time. |
1-800-989-8255 is our number. Another, I guess, watershed event, K.C., that happened is this political situation, how that affected science this year. And now the switch possibly, because the Democrats are coming back into power. | 1-800-989-8255 is our, number another i guess watershed event k.c., that happened is this political situation how that affected science this year and now the switch possibly because the democrats are coming back into | 1-800-989-8255 is our number Another I, guess watershed event K.C., that happened is this political situation how that affected science this year And now the switch possibly, because the Democrats. are coming back into | 1-800-989-8255 is our number. another, i guess, watershed event, k.c., that happened is this political situation, how that affected science this year. and now the switch possibly, because the democrats are coming back into power. |
I'm glad you brought that up. I was afraid to because I know the last time I was on I talked about that a lot. But, yeah, what's interesting is it's finally gotten to the point where the scientists are fighting back and saying, enough manipulation, enough wasted money going in really silly programs like the moon to Mar... | i'm glad you brought that up, i was afraid to because i know the last time i was on i talked, about that a lot but yeah what's interesting is it's, finally gotten to the point where the scientists are fighting back and saying enough, manipulation enough wasted money going in really silly programs, like the moon to mars... | I'm glad you brought that up I was afraid to because I know the last time I was on I talked about, that a lot But yeah what's interesting is it's finally gotten to the point where the. scientists are fighting back and saying enough manipulation. enough wasted money going in really silly programs; like the moon to Mars.... | i'm glad you brought that up. i was afraid to because i know the last time i was on i talked about that a lot. but, yeah, what's interesting is it's finally gotten to the point where the scientists are fighting back and saying, enough manipulation, enough wasted money going in really silly programs like the moon to mar... |
And they are getting politicized. They found this - founded the Scientists and Engineers for America, an organization that's actually raising money to run advertising supporting candidates in various fields. Because, you know, it's gotten to that tipping point where people just could not stand anymore the fact that sci... | and they are getting politicized they found; this, - founded the scientists and engineers for america an organization that's actually, raising money to run advertising supporting candidates in various fields because you know it's gotten to that tipping point where people just could not stand anymore the. fact that scie... | And. they are, getting politicized They found this - founded the Scientists and Engineers, for America an organization that's actually raising money to run advertising supporting candidates in various fields Because you know it's gotten to that. tipping point where people just could not stand anymore the fact that scie... | and they are getting politicized. they found this - founded the scientists and engineers for america, an organization that's actually raising money to run advertising supporting candidates in various fields. because, you know, it's gotten to that tipping point where people just could not stand anymore the fact that sci... |
John Rennie, do you agree? | john rennie do you | John Rennie do you | john rennie, do you agree? |
Oh, absolutely. I mean I think it's - what's unfortunate is that, because the scientists have now had to get sucked into a political process where they have to speak up to defend what should be rational courses of action and the rational interpretation of the scientific findings, it's that unfortunately it does make it... | oh absolutely; i mean i think it's - what's unfortunate is that because the scientists have now had. to get sucked into a political process where they have; to speak up to defend, what should, be rational courses of action and the, rational interpretation of the, scientific findings it's that unfortunately it does make... | Oh absolutely I mean I think it's - what's unfortunate is that because. the scientists have now had to get sucked into a political, process where, they. have to speak up to defend what should be rational courses of action. and the rational interpretation of the, scientific findings it's that unfortunately it does make ... | oh, absolutely. i mean i think it's - what's unfortunate is that, because the scientists have now had to get sucked into a political process where they have to speak up to defend what should be rational courses of action and the rational interpretation of the scientific findings, it's that unfortunately it does make it... |
And that I think does - it's a kind of - has a very corrosive effect on the way that the public views science. And there's going to be a lot of damage that's been done by the people who've been opposing this. | and that i think does - it's a kind of, - has a very corrosive effect on the way that the public views, science and there's going to, be a lot of damage. that's been done by the people who've been opposing | And that I think does - it's a kind of - has a very corrosive effect on the way that the public. views science And there's going to be a lot of damage that's been done by the people who've been. opposing | and that i think does - it's a kind of - has a very corrosive effect on the way that the public views science. and there's going to be a lot of damage that's been done by the people who've been opposing this. |
Talking about the top stories in science this hour in TALK OF THE NATION: SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR News. Hi, Barron, you want to jump it? | talking about the top stories in science, this hour in talk of the nation: science friday from npr news hi barron you want to jump | Talking about the top stories in science this hour in, TALK OF. THE NATION: SCIENCE, FRIDAY from NPR News Hi Barron you want to jump | talking about the top stories in science this hour in talk of the nation: science friday from npr news. hi, barron, you want to jump it? |
Yeah, I just was going to echo that in the world of medicine when Michael J. Fox wound up doing political ads in favor of candidates who were doing stem cell research because of his Parkinson's disease - and that was another very interesting mixture of politics and science where, you know, I think Michael J. Fox was ou... | yeah i just was going to echo that in the world of medicine when michael j fox wound, up. doing political ads in favor of candidates. who were doing stem cell research because of his parkinson's disease. - and. that was another very interesting mixture of politics and science where you know i think michael j, fox was o... | Yeah I just was going to. echo that in the world of medicine when Michael J Fox wound up doing political ads in favor of candidates, who were doing stem cell research because of his Parkinson's disease - and that, was another very interesting mixture of politics and science where you know I think Michael J Fox was out ... | yeah, i just was going to echo that in the world of medicine when michael j. fox wound up doing political ads in favor of candidates who were doing stem cell research because of his parkinson's disease - and that was another very interesting mixture of politics and science where, you know, i think michael j. fox was ou... |
We also saw the states scientifically taking on the federal government. | we also, saw. the states, scientifically, taking on the federal | We also saw the, states scientifically taking on the federal | we also saw the states scientifically taking on the federal government. |
Apple corer, okay. | apple corer | Apple, corer; | apple corer, okay. |
All right. | all | All | all right. |
Right. I think, you know, this is an interesting point that the caller who was mentioning the way that New York City was taking action on its own with trans fats. I think it's been very interesting to see the counter reaction to that that you've seen, for example, California trying to take leadership on both stem cell ... | right i. think you know this is an. interesting point that the caller who was mentioning the way that new, york city. was taking action on its own with trans fats i think, it's, been very interesting to see the counter reaction to that that you've, seen for example california trying to take leadership on both stem cell... | Right I think, you know this is an interesting point that; the caller who, was mentioning the way that New York City was taking action on its own with trans fats I, think it's been very interesting to see the counter reaction to that that you've seen for example California trying; to take leadership on both stem cell r... | right. i think, you know, this is an interesting point that the caller who was mentioning the way that new york city was taking action on its own with trans fats. i think it's been very interesting to see the counter reaction to that that you've seen, for example, california trying to take leadership on both stem cell ... |
K.C.? | k.c.? | ||
Well, I was going to say one of the most dangerous places, what you might call faith-based science, has been affecting us is in terms of national security. And we're spending billions and billions of dollars on a missile defense system which virtually, you know, a very tiny percentage of the physics community even thin... | well i was, going to say one of the most dangerous. places what you might call. faith-based science has been affecting us is in terms. of, national security and we're spending. billions and billions of, dollars on a missile, defense system which virtually you know a very tiny percentage of the physics community even th... | Well I was going. to say one of the most dangerous places what you might call faith-based science has been affecting us is in terms. of national security. And we're. spending billions and billions of dollars on a missile defense system which virtually you know, a very tiny percentage of the physics community even think... | well, i was going to say one of the most dangerous places, what you might call faith-based science, has been affecting us is in terms of national security. and we're spending billions and billions of dollars on a missile defense system which virtually, you know, a very tiny percentage of the physics community even thin... |
But just in terms of general reports that scientific organizations have come out with telling us what makes sense to do is not what we're doing in almost every case. We're just not basing these decisions on how to spend dollars in any rational, sane way. | but just in terms of general reports that scientific organizations have come, out with telling us what, makes sense to do is not what we're doing in almost every case we're just not basing these decisions on how to spend dollars in any rational sane | But just in terms of general reports that scientific organizations have come out with telling us what makes sense to; do is not what we're doing in almost every case We're just not basing these decisions on how to spend dollars in any rational sane | but just in terms of general reports that scientific organizations have come out with telling us what makes sense to do is not what we're doing in almost every case. we're just not basing these decisions on how to spend dollars in any rational, sane way. |
In fact, even trans fats - I mean I was when I was joking about the cigarettes - but even the dangers we tend to go after in the medical field a lot of times just don't make sense compared to other risk factors. It would be nice if we had a rational way of going out and really deciding what's dangerous and how to appro... | in fact even trans fats - i mean i was when i was joking about, the cigarettes - but even the dangers we tend to go after in the medical field a lot of times just don't make sense. compared to other risk, factors it would be nice if we had a rational way of going out and really deciding what's dangerous and how to appr... | In, fact even trans fats - I mean I was when I was joking about the, cigarettes - but even the dangers we tend to go after in the medical. field a. lot of times just don't make sense, compared to other; risk factors It would be nice if we had a rational way of going out and really deciding what's. dangerous and how to ... | in fact, even trans fats - i mean i was when i was joking about the cigarettes - but even the dangers we tend to go after in the medical field a lot of times just don't make sense compared to other risk factors. it would be nice if we had a rational way of going out and really deciding what's dangerous and how to appro... |
Well, you know… | well you | Well you | well, you know… |
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Ira, at the top of the show you mentioned some of the food safety stories that we've seen this year, and how, you know, people sort of get a little nervous in the salad bar because you don't know whether the food you're looking at has E. coli in it or something like that. | ira; at the top of the show you mentioned some of the food safety stories that we've, seen. this year and how you know people sort of get a little nervous in the salad bar because you don't. know whether the food you're looking at has e coli; in it or something like | Ira at the top of the show you mentioned some of the food safety stories that we've seen this year and how you know people sort of get a little nervous in the. salad bar because you don't know whether the food. you're looking at has E coli in it or something like | ira, at the top of the show you mentioned some of the food safety stories that we've seen this year, and how, you know, people sort of get a little nervous in the salad bar because you don't know whether the food you're looking at has e. coli in it or something like that. |
And it just occurred to me that what we were told sort of publicly after the anthrax attacks in 2001 was that a new biosafety program, right - we were going to get really concerned about biological weapons being deployed against us, and that that was also going to help us deal with surveillance for food-based illnesses... | and it just occurred, to me, that what we were told sort. of publicly after the, anthrax attacks in 2001 was that a new biosafety program right - we were going to get really concerned about biological weapons being deployed against us and; that that was also going to, help us deal with surveillance for food-based illne... | And it just. occurred to me that what we were told sort of publicly after the anthrax attacks in 2001 was that a new biosafety program right - we were going to get really concerned about biological weapons being deployed against us and that that was also going to help us deal with surveillance for food-based illnesses ... | and it just occurred to me that what we were told sort of publicly after the anthrax attacks in 2001 was that a new biosafety program, right - we were going to get really concerned about biological weapons being deployed against us, and that that was also going to help us deal with surveillance for food-based illnesses... |
And, you know, none of that happened, either. I think that gets at some of what K.C. was talking about, too. It's that, you know, that even when there's a veneer of rational decision-making or, you know, decisions made based on sort of an immediate panic that we hope will have ramifications that are positive if they go... | and you know none of that happened either i think that gets at, some of what k.c was, talking about too it's that you know. that even when there's a veneer of rational decision-making or you know decisions made based on sort of an immediate, panic that we hope will have ramifications that are positive if. they go forwa... | And you know none of that happened either, I think that gets at some of what K.C was talking about too It's that you know that even when there's a veneer of rational decision-making or you know decisions made based on sort of an immediate panic that we hope. will have ramifications, that are positive if they, go forwar... | and, you know, none of that happened, either. i think that gets at some of what k.c. was talking about, too. it's that, you know, that even when there's a veneer of rational decision-making or, you know, decisions made based on sort of an immediate panic that we hope will have ramifications that are positive if they go... |
Yeah. We still have trouble making large decisions that will span decades, and moving large masses of bureaucracy and people. | yeah; we still have trouble making large decisions. that will span decades and moving large masses. of bureaucracy, and | Yeah We still have trouble making, large decisions that will span decades and moving. large masses of bureaucracy and | yeah. we still have trouble making large decisions that will span decades, and moving large masses of bureaucracy and people. |
Well, we have to take a short break. We'll come back and talk lots more with K.C. Cole, Adam Rogers, John Rennie and Barron Lerner. So stay with us. We'll take - go right to the phones when we're back and take your calls, get your suggestions for the top science health, medicine, technology, mathematics - whatever I'm ... | well we have to take a short, break we'll come back and talk lots more, with k.c cole adam; rogers john rennie and barron lerner so stay with us. we'll take - go right to the phones when we're back and take your calls get your suggestions for, the top science health medicine technology. mathematics - whatever i'm; leav... | Well we have to take a short break We'll come back and talk lots. more with. K.C Cole Adam Rogers John Rennie and Barron Lerner So stay with us We'll, take - go right to the phones when, we're back and, take your calls get your suggestions for the top science health medicine technology mathematics - whatever I'm leavin... | well, we have to take a short break. we'll come back and talk lots more with k.c. cole, adam rogers, john rennie and barron lerner. so stay with us. we'll take - go right to the phones when we're back and take your calls, get your suggestions for the top science health, medicine, technology, mathematics - whatever i'm ... |
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We're talking this hour about the year's biggest science stories with my guests, K.C. Cole, science commentator for KPCC in Pasadena. Adam Rogers, senior editor of Wired magazine in San Francisco. John Rennie, editor in chief at Scientific American in New York. And Barron Lerner, author of “When Illness Goes Public: Ce... | we're. talking this hour about the year's biggest science stories with my guests k.c cole science commentator for kpcc in pasadena adam rogers senior editor of wired magazine in san francisco john rennie editor in chief at scientific american in new york and barron lerner author of “when illness goes public: celebrity ... | We're talking this hour about the year's biggest science stories with my guests K.C Cole science commentator for KPCC in Pasadena Adam Rogers; senior editor of Wired magazine in. San Francisco; John Rennie editor in chief at Scientific American in New York And Barron Lerner author of “When Illness Goes; Public: Celebri... | we're talking this hour about the year's biggest science stories with my guests, k.c. cole, science commentator for kpcc in pasadena. adam rogers, senior editor of wired magazine in san francisco. john rennie, editor in chief at scientific american in new york. and barron lerner, author of “when illness goes public: ce... |
That's an interesting topic. We'll have to have you back and talk about that, because I think it's a truly interesting topic. 1-800-989-8255. Let's go to Barry in Boston. Hi, Barry. | that's; an interesting topic we'll have to have you back and talk about that because i think it's a truly interesting. topic. 1-800-989-8255. let's go to barry in boston hi | That's an. interesting topic We'll have to have; you. back and talk about that because I think it's a truly interesting topic 1-800-989-8255. Let's go to Barry in Boston Hi | that's an interesting topic. we'll have to have you back and talk about that, because i think it's a truly interesting topic. 1-800-989-8255. let's go to barry in boston. hi, barry. |
Hi, thank you for taking my call. Great show. | hi thank you for taking; my call great | Hi thank you for taking my call Great | hi, thank you for taking my call. great show. |
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My question is about physics, the year in physics. In previous recent years, I've gotten a lot of pressure from reading books about string theory, say, by Brian Greene. And it's really captured my imagination, putting together Einstein's gravity and quantum physics using a little tiny, teeny things. | my question is about physics the, year in physics in previous recent years i've gotten a lot of pressure from reading books about string theory say by brian greene, and it's really captured my imagination, putting together einstein's gravity and quantum physics using a little tiny teeny | My question is about physics the year in physics In previous, recent years I've gotten a lot of pressure. from reading books about string theory say by Brian Greene And it's really captured my imagination putting together Einstein's gravity, and quantum physics using a little tiny teeny | my question is about physics, the year in physics. in previous recent years, i've gotten a lot of pressure from reading books about string theory, say, by brian greene. and it's really captured my imagination, putting together einstein's gravity and quantum physics using a little tiny, teeny things. |
Right. | right. | ||
This year, two books came out, I believe. One of them by Lee Smolin and I'm not sure of the other author, but it was titled “Not Even Wrong.” And you get from the title, books about string theory kind of debunking it or maybe saying it's barking up the wrong tree. What do the your physics (unintelligible) | this year two books came out i believe one of them by lee smolin and i'm not, sure. of. the other author but it was titled “not even wrong.” and you get from the title books. about. string theory kind of debunking it or maybe saying it's barking up the, wrong tree what, do the your physics | This year two books came out I believe One of them by Lee Smolin and I'm not sure of. the other author, but it; was titled “Not Even Wrong.” And you get from the title books about string theory kind of. debunking it or maybe saying it's barking up, the wrong tree What do the your physics | this year, two books came out, i believe. one of them by lee smolin and i'm not sure of the other author, but it was titled “not even wrong.” and you get from the title, books about string theory kind of debunking it or maybe saying it's barking up the wrong tree. what do the your physics (unintelligible) |
Yeah, it's come under a lot of - string theory's being hit left and right. Let me go to K.C. and then John, and then go to my panelists. K.C., What do you think? Has it had its time and it's ran out? | yeah it's come under. a lot of - string theory's being hit left and right let me go to k.c. and then john and then go to my panelists k.c., what do you think? has it had its time and, it's. ran | Yeah it's come under a lot of - string theory's being hit left and. right Let me go to, K.C; and then John and then go to my. panelists K.C., What do you think? Has it had its time and it's ran | yeah, it's come under a lot of - string theory's being hit left and right. let me go to k.c. and then john, and then go to my panelists. k.c., what do you think? has it had its time and it's ran out? |
No. | no. | ||
Has the string run out? | has the string run, | Has the string run. | has the string run out? |
No, it's a very difficult set of problems that they're working with. But these two books did make a very big splash. And I have to admit that I wrote one of the most negative reviews, as was the New York Times review. | no it's a very difficult set of, problems that they're working with but these two books did make a very big splash. and i have to admit that i wrote one, of the most negative reviews as, was the new york times | No it's a very difficult set of problems that they're working with But these two books did make a very big splash, And I have to admit that I wrote one of the most negative reviews as was the New York Times | no, it's a very difficult set of problems that they're working with. but these two books did make a very big splash. and i have to admit that i wrote one of the most negative reviews, as was the new york times review. |
In that it is so easy to sit back and criticize - really, by people - the other author was Peter Voit who has a Web site, Not Even Wrong - by people who really aren't that much in the middle of it. Both of the books had a little bit of the flavor of I'm not invited to your meetings. I'm not in your club. Nobody is payi... | in, that, it is so easy to sit back and criticize - really; by people - the other, author was peter voit who has a web site not even wrong - by people who really aren't that much. in, the middle of it both of, the books had a little bit of the flavor of i'm not invited to your meetings i'm, not in your club nobody is p... | In that, it is so easy to sit back and criticize - really by, people - the other author, was Peter Voit who has a Web site Not Even Wrong - by people who really aren't that much in the middle of it Both of the. books had a little bit of the flavor of I'm not invited to your meetings I'm, not in your club Nobody is payi... | in that it is so easy to sit back and criticize - really, by people - the other author was peter voit who has a web site, not even wrong - by people who really aren't that much in the middle of it. both of the books had a little bit of the flavor of i'm not invited to your meetings. i'm not in your club. nobody is payi... |
You get the impression that you have to be an insider. The thing about string theory is that even string theorists will tell you nobody exactly knows what it is. It's a way of solving this incompatibility between gravity and the large-scale universe and the small-scale universe. | you get the impression that you have to be. an insider the, thing about string theory is that even string theorists will tell you, nobody. exactly knows what it is it's a way of solving this incompatibility between gravity; and the large-scale universe and the small-scale | You get the impression that you have to. be an insider The thing about string theory is that even string theorists will tell you nobody exactly knows what it is, It's; a way of solving this. incompatibility between gravity and the large-scale universe; and the. small-scale | you get the impression that you have to be an insider. the thing about string theory is that even string theorists will tell you nobody exactly knows what it is. it's a way of solving this incompatibility between gravity and the large-scale universe and the small-scale universe. |
But it had so many mathematical successes that most people are fairly convinced there is something there, even if they're not sure what. And what a lot of these books were also addressed at was basically poo-pooing math, as if, well, you know, it's just mathematics, just mathematics - which goes against the long histor... | but it had so many mathematical successes that most people are fairly convinced there is something there even if they're not sure what and what a lot, of these books were also addressed at was basically, poo-pooing math as if well, you know it's just mathematics just mathematics, - which goes against the long history o... | But it had so many mathematical successes that most people are fairly convinced there is something there, even if they're not sure what And what a; lot of these books were also; addressed at was basically poo-pooing math as if well you know it's just mathematics just mathematics - which goes. against. the long. history... | but it had so many mathematical successes that most people are fairly convinced there is something there, even if they're not sure what. and what a lot of these books were also addressed at was basically poo-pooing math, as if, well, you know, it's just mathematics, just mathematics - which goes against the long histor... |
So lots is going on in string theory. It's just that these two books coming out at the same time with the same complaint did get a lot of press attention. | so lots is going on in string theory; it's just, that. these two. books coming out at the same time with the same complaint did get a lot of press | So lots is going. on; in. string theory It's just that these two. books coming out at the same time with the. same complaint did, get a lot of press | so lots is going on in string theory. it's just that these two books coming out at the same time with the same complaint did get a lot of press attention. |
John. | john. | ||
No, that's right. I mean we'll continue to have a lot more in the future, you know. String theory is - it's the big one on the block. It's the theory currently that everybody would have to knock over - what they have to beat to come up with something that is a better theory. | no that's right i mean we'll continue to have. a, lot more in the future you know, string theory, is - it's the big one on the block it's the theory currently that everybody would have to knock over - what they have to. beat to come up with something that is a better | No that's right I mean we'll. continue to have a lot more in the future you know String, theory is - it's the big one on the; block It's the theory, currently that. everybody would have to knock over - what they. have to beat to come up with something that is a better | no, that's right. i mean we'll continue to have a lot more in the future, you know. string theory is - it's the big one on the block. it's the theory currently that everybody would have to knock over - what they have to beat to come up with something that is a better theory. |
You know, I think string theory - it does, it has contributed a lot and there are legitimate questions of course about, you know, string theory. There are many, many different formulations - never questions - of how do you settle on what is the best one. But, really, somebody's got to come up with a theory that clearly... | you know i think string theory - it does it has contributed. a lot and there are legitimate questions of course about. you know string theory there are many. many different formulations - never questions - of how do you settle on what is the best one but really somebody's got to come up with a theory that clearly works... | You know I think string theory - it does it has contributed a lot and there are legitimate questions of course about, you, know string theory There are, many many different formulations - never questions - of how do you settle; on what is the best one But really somebody's got to come. up with a theory that. clearly wo... | you know, i think string theory - it does, it has contributed a lot and there are legitimate questions of course about, you know, string theory. there are many, many different formulations - never questions - of how do you settle on what is the best one. but, really, somebody's got to come up with a theory that clearly... |
And so I'm not sure it's fair to criticize Smolin's book at least as being, you know, an outsider who just says, well I don't get to come to that party so they must all be jerks. I mean he had, you know, he had published in string theory. And also, that's a little bit - K.C., that's a little bit of an ad homonym, right... | and so, i'm not sure it's fair to criticize smolin's book at least; as being you know an outsider who just says well i don't, get to, come to that, party so they must all be jerks i mean he, had you know he had published in string theory and also that's a little, bit - k.c., that's a little bit of an, ad homonym right?... | And so I'm not sure it's fair to. criticize Smolin's book at least as being you. know, an outsider who just says. well I don't get to, come to that party so they must all be jerks I mean he had you know he had published in string theory And also that's a, little bit - K.C., that's a little bit, of an ad homonym right? ... | and so i'm not sure it's fair to criticize smolin's book at least as being, you know, an outsider who just says, well i don't get to come to that party so they must all be jerks. i mean he had, you know, he had published in string theory. and also, that's a little bit - k.c., that's a little bit of an ad homonym, right... |
Well, yeah. If you talk to string theorists, they would say that, throughout the book, the success of loop quantum gravity has been vastly exaggerated compared to string theory. I think one of his big complaints, which is something that bothers a lot of people in the physics community, is just what Ira mentioned - the ... | well yeah if you talk to string theorists they would. say that throughout the book the success of loop quantum gravity has been vastly exaggerated compared to string theory i think. one of his big complaints which is something that bothers a lot of people in. the physics community is just what ira mentioned - the fact ... | Well yeah If you talk to string theorists they would, say that, throughout the, book the. success. of loop quantum gravity has been vastly exaggerated. compared to string theory I think one of his big complaints which is something that, bothers a lot, of people in the physics community, is just what Ira mentioned - the... | well, yeah. if you talk to string theorists, they would say that, throughout the book, the success of loop quantum gravity has been vastly exaggerated compared to string theory. i think one of his big complaints, which is something that bothers a lot of people in the physics community, is just what ira mentioned - the ... |
And several physicists have come out in favor of the anthropic principle, which I'm sure we must have talked about it before. The idea is that we live in the universe we do because, if it were any different, we couldn't live here. And that is very bothersome. And he really does have a legitimate point on that. | and several physicists have come out in favor, of the anthropic principle which i'm sure we must have talked about it before the idea is that we live in the universe we do; because if. it were any different we couldn't live here and that is very bothersome and he really does have a legitimate point on, | And several physicists have come out in favor of the, anthropic. principle which I'm sure we must have talked about it; before The idea is that we live in the universe we do, because if it were any different we couldn't live here And that is very bothersome And he really does have a legitimate point on | and several physicists have come out in favor of the anthropic principle, which i'm sure we must have talked about it before. the idea is that we live in the universe we do because, if it were any different, we couldn't live here. and that is very bothersome. and he really does have a legitimate point on that. |
All right, we're going to - we'll pick it up, Barry, later on because we love talking about string theory. Thanks a lot. 1-800-989-8255. Let's go to Palo Alto, where Stephanie is. Hi, Stephanie. | all right we're going to - we'll pick it up barry later on because we love talking about string theory thanks. a lot 1-800-989-8255. let's go to palo alto where stephanie; is hi | All right we're going to - we'll pick it up Barry later on because we love talking about string theory Thanks a lot 1-800-989-8255. Let's. go to Palo Alto where Stephanie is Hi | all right, we're going to - we'll pick it up, barry, later on because we love talking about string theory. thanks a lot. 1-800-989-8255. let's go to palo alto, where stephanie is. hi, stephanie. |
Yes. Hello, good morning. | yes hello good | Yes Hello good | yes. hello, good morning. |
Good morning. Good afternoon. | good morning good. | Good morning; Good. | good morning. good afternoon. |
I wonder if I can explain this nice and clearly. Diabetics who are dependant on several injections of insulin are now freed from the constant jabbings of the needle. This year, a new product was approved by the FDA and by the European authorities whereby the patients take insulin into their blood stream through the lun... | i wonder if i can explain, this nice and clearly diabetics who are dependant on several injections of insulin are now freed from the constant jabbings of; the needle this year a new product was, approved by the fda and by. the; european authorities whereby the patients take insulin into their, blood, stream. through th... | I wonder if I can explain this nice and, clearly Diabetics who are dependant on several injections of. insulin are now freed from the constant jabbings of the, needle This year a new product was approved by the FDA and by the European authorities whereby, the patients take insulin into their blood stream through the lu... | i wonder if i can explain this nice and clearly. diabetics who are dependant on several injections of insulin are now freed from the constant jabbings of the needle. this year, a new product was approved by the fda and by the european authorities whereby the patients take insulin into their blood stream through the lun... |
It took 15 years to develop this, or at least it took a great number of years to get the FDA to approve it because they were nervous about breathing this stuff in through the lungs, but it seems to have proved to be no problem at all. | it took; 15 years. to develop this or, at least it took a great number of years to get the fda, to. approve it because they were nervous about breathing this stuff in through the lungs but it seems to, have proved to be no problem at | It took 15 years to develop this or at least it took a great number of years to get the FDA to approve it because they were nervous about. breathing this stuff in through the lungs but. it seems to have; proved to be no problem at | it took 15 years to develop this, or at least it took a great number of years to get the fda to approve it because they were nervous about breathing this stuff in through the lungs, but it seems to have proved to be no problem at all. |
And so diabetics, who frequently postpone taking the insulin because they don't want to keep jabbing themselves, hopefully will start on the medication sooner, before they start having serious side effects from the diabetes. So we think that this is a very exciting new development. | and so diabetics who frequently postpone taking the insulin because they don't want. to keep jabbing themselves hopefully will start on the medication sooner before they start, having serious side effects from the diabetes so we think that this is a very exciting. new, | And so diabetics who frequently postpone taking the, insulin; because they don't want to keep jabbing themselves hopefully will start on the medication sooner before they. start. having serious, side; effects from, the diabetes So we think that, this is a very exciting new | and so diabetics, who frequently postpone taking the insulin because they don't want to keep jabbing themselves, hopefully will start on the medication sooner, before they start having serious side effects from the diabetes. so we think that this is a very exciting new development. |
Dr. Lerner, do you want to comment? | dr lerner do you want to | Dr Lerner do; you want to, | dr. lerner, do you want to comment? |
Yeah. It is very exciting, although one of the interesting aspects of it is that patients have not embraced it - and I think physicians as well -as quickly as we might have imagined. | yeah it is very, exciting although one of the interesting aspects of. it is that patients have not embraced. it - and i think physicians as well -as quickly as we might have | Yeah It is very. exciting although one of the interesting aspects of. it is that patients have not embraced it - and I think physicians as well -as quickly as we might have | yeah. it is very exciting, although one of the interesting aspects of it is that patients have not embraced it - and i think physicians as well -as quickly as we might have imagined. |
And for years and years, for example, many of my patients have complained about the needles over and over again. And when I raised this, they were like oh, no, I wouldn't do that. | and for years and years for example many of my patients have complained about the needles over and over again and when i raised this. they were like oh no i wouldn't do | And for years and. years for, example many of my, patients have, complained about the needles over and. over again And when I raised this they were like oh, no I wouldn't do | and for years and years, for example, many of my patients have complained about the needles over and over again. and when i raised this, they were like oh, no, i wouldn't do that. |
Is that right? Why - what's the - because it's new? | is that right? why - what's the - because it's | Is that right? Why - what's the - because it's | is that right? why - what's the - because it's new? |
Well, part of it it's new. There has been this discussion. It hasn't been around long enough. Are there possible long-term side effects in the lungs? And even though the FDA has been pretty reassuring about that, there are concerns. | well part of it. it's, new there has been. this discussion it hasn't been, around long enough are there. possible long-term side effects in. the lungs? and, even though the fda has been pretty reassuring about that there are | Well part of it it's new There has. been this discussion It hasn't been around long enough Are there possible long-term side effects in the lungs? And even though the FDA has been. pretty reassuring about that there are | well, part of it it's new. there has been this discussion. it hasn't been around long enough. are there possible long-term side effects in the lungs? and even though the fda has been pretty reassuring about that, there are concerns. |
Stephanie, are you a diabetic? | stephanie are you a | Stephanie are you a | stephanie, are you a diabetic? |
No, I'm not. Actually, I'm the mother of the man who developed it. | no i'm not actually i'm the mother of the man who developed | No, I'm not Actually I'm the. mother of the man who developed | no, i'm not. actually, i'm the mother of the man who developed it. |
Oh. | oh. | ||
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
Full disclosure. Wait a minute… | full disclosure wait a | Full, disclosure Wait a | full disclosure. wait a minute… |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of, | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
Well, that's nice of his mom to come on. | well that's nice of his mom, to come | Well that's nice of his mom to come | well, that's nice of his mom to come on. |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
Well, but I think that this is really an exciting thing. And it's going to take time, I understand from my son, to educate the patient population on the use of the product. And it has been in trials for quite a number of years, and so far there have not been any contra-indications, so it seems like a very exciting new ... | well, but i think that this is really an exciting thing and it's going to take time i understand from my son to educate the patient population on the use of the product and it has been. in trials for, quite a number of years and so. far there have not been any contra-indications so it seems like, a very. exciting new | Well but I think that this is really an exciting thing And it's going to take time I understand from my son to educate the patient population on the use of the product And it has been in trials for quite a number of years and so far there have; not; been any contra-indications. so it seems like a very, exciting new | well, but i think that this is really an exciting thing. and it's going to take time, i understand from my son, to educate the patient population on the use of the product. and it has been in trials for quite a number of years, and so far there have not been any contra-indications, so it seems like a very exciting new ... |
Well, you're a terrific… | well you're a | Well you're a | well, you're a terrific… |
I want my mom to call in. | i want. my mom to call | I want my mom to call | i want my mom to call in. |
Yeah, you're a terrific mom. | yeah. you're a terrific | Yeah. you're a terrific | yeah, you're a terrific mom. |
I'm a terrific mom. I'll tell my son. | i'm a terrific. mom i'll tell my | I'm. a terrific mom I'll tell my, | i'm a terrific mom. i'll tell my son. |
Tell him to give us a call, all right? | tell him to, give us a call all | Tell him to give us, a call all | tell him to give us a call, all right? |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
Thanks, Stephanie. Have a happy new year to you. | thanks stephanie have, a happy new year to | Thanks Stephanie Have. a happy new year to | thanks, stephanie. have a happy new year to you. |
Thank you. Same to you. Bye-bye. | thank. you same to you | Thank you Same to, you | thank you. same to you. bye-bye. |
Bye. Another moment on SCIENCE FRIDAY. 1-800-989-8255 is our number. Let's go ahead to David(ph) in St. Paul, moving across the country. | bye another moment on science friday 1-800-989-8255 is our number let's go ahead to david(ph) in st paul moving across the | Bye Another moment on SCIENCE FRIDAY 1-800-989-8255 is; our number Let's go ahead to David(ph) in St Paul, moving across the | bye. another moment on science friday. 1-800-989-8255 is our number. let's go ahead to david(ph) in st. paul, moving across the country. |
Yeah, Ira, how are you doing? | yeah ira how are you; | Yeah Ira how are you | yeah, ira, how are you doing? |
What kind of winter are you having this year? | what kind of, winter are. you having this | What kind of winter. are you having. this | what kind of winter are you having this year? |
It's (unintelligible), I'll tell you. It's about 40-some-odd degrees. It's kind of freezing, not-quite-freezing rain. There's no snow on the ground, at least in the Twin Cities. | it's (unintelligible), i'll tell you it's about 40-some-odd degrees it's kind of freezing not-quite-freezing rain there's no snow on the ground at least in the twin | It's; (unintelligible), I'll, tell you It's about 40-some-odd degrees It's kind, of freezing not-quite-freezing rain There's no snow on the ground at least in the Twin | it's (unintelligible), i'll tell you. it's about 40-some-odd degrees. it's kind of freezing, not-quite-freezing rain. there's no snow on the ground, at least in the twin cities. |
Wow. | wow. |
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