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(SOUNDBITE OF MOVIE, "POINT BREAK") | (soundbite of movie "point | (SOUNDBITE OF. MOVIE, "POINT | (soundbite of movie, "point break") |
(As Johnny Utah) You're trying to tell me the FBI is going to pay me to learn to surf? | (as johnny utah) you're. trying to tell me the fbi is going to pay me to. learn to | (As Johnny Utah) You're trying to tell me. the FBI is going to pay me to learn to | (as johnny utah) you're trying to tell me the fbi is going to pay me to learn to surf? |
(As Angelo Pappas) It's either you or me out there on the board. You get my drift? | (as angelo pappas) it's either you or me out there on the board you get my | (As Angelo Pappas) It's, either you. or. me out there on the board You get my | (as angelo pappas) it's either you or me out there on the board. you get my drift? |
(As Johnny Utah) Angelo, this is for little rubber people who don't shave yet. | (as johnny utah) angelo this is for little rubber people who don't, shave | (As Johnny Utah) Angelo, this is for little rubber people. who don't shave | (as johnny utah) angelo, this is for little rubber people who don't shave yet. |
He gets in, and he gets in a little too deep because he falls in love with one of the surf ladies, played by Lori Petty. Her character was Tyler, and I thought she was the coolest. She had that voice. She made me realize that I could have a croaky voice, that it would be OK. | he gets in and he gets in a little too deep, because he falls in love with one of the surf ladies played by lori petty, her, character was tyler and i thought she was the coolest she had that voice she made me realize that i could have a croaky voice. that it would be | He gets in and he gets in a little too deep because he falls. in love with one of the surf ladies, played by Lori Petty Her character was Tyler and, I thought she was the coolest She had that voice She made me realize that, I could have a croaky voice that it would be | he gets in, and he gets in a little too deep because he falls in love with one of the surf ladies, played by lori petty. her character was tyler, and i thought she was the coolest. she had that voice. she made me realize that i could have a croaky voice, that it would be ok. |
(SOUNDBITE OF MOVIE, "POINT BREAK") | (soundbite of movie, "point | (SOUNDBITE OF. MOVIE "POINT | (soundbite of movie, "point break") |
(As Tyler) (Laughing) If I didn't know better, I'd say you looked almost happy. | (as tyler) (laughing) if i didn't know better i'd say you looked almost | (As Tyler) (Laughing) If I didn't know better I'd say you looked almost | (as tyler) (laughing) if i didn't know better, i'd say you looked almost happy. |
I loved me some Johnny Utah. | i loved me some johnny | I loved me some Johnny | i loved me some johnny utah. |
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(As Johnny Utah) I can't describe what I'm feeling. | (as johnny utah) i can't describe what i'm | (As Johnny Utah) I can't describe what I'm | (as johnny utah) i can't describe what i'm feeling. |
It's a fuzzy line between Johnny Utah and Keanu, I think. | it's a fuzzy line between johnny utah, and keanu i | It's a fuzzy line between Johnny Utah and Keanu I | it's a fuzzy line between johnny utah and keanu, i think. |
(SOUNDBITE OF MOVIE, "POINT BREAK") | (soundbite of movie; "point | (SOUNDBITE OF MOVIE "POINT | (soundbite of movie, "point break") |
(As Johnny Utah) Via con dios. | (as johnny utah) via con | (As Johnny Utah) Via con | (as johnny utah) via con dios. |
And Bodhi? | and | And | and bodhi? |
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(As Bodhi) It's not tragic to die doing what you love. | (as bodhi) it's not tragic to die doing what you | (As Bodhi) It's not tragic, to die. doing what you | (as bodhi) it's not tragic to die doing what you love. |
Oh, my God, Patrick Swayze created a character that defined Southern California cool to me, at that time. He was like the Zen master who had no morals. (Laughin) I loved him. | oh my god patrick swayze created a character. that defined southern california cool to me at that time he was like the zen master who had no morals (laughin) i loved | Oh. my God Patrick Swayze created a character that defined Southern California cool to me at that time He was like the, Zen master who had no, morals (Laughin) I loved | oh, my god, patrick swayze created a character that defined southern california cool to me, at that time. he was like the zen master who had no morals. (laughin) i loved him. |
(SOUNDBITE OF MOVIE, "POINT BREAK") | (soundbite of movie "point, | (SOUNDBITE OF MOVIE "POINT | (soundbite of movie, "point break") |
(As Bodhi) Just feel what the wave is doing, then accept its energy, get in sync, then charge with it. You don't need to see. | (as bodhi) just feel what the wave is doing then accept its energy get in sync then charge with it. you don't need to | (As Bodhi) Just. feel, what the wave is doing then accept its energy get, in sync then charge with it You don't need to | (as bodhi) just feel what the wave is doing, then accept its energy, get in sync, then charge with it. you don't need to see. |
(As Johnny Utah) Yeah, right. Vision is highly overrated. | (as. johnny utah) yeah right vision is highly | (As Johnny Utah) Yeah right Vision, is highly | (as johnny utah) yeah, right. vision is highly overrated. |
I love the bonfire scene, you know, and their night surfing. These guys were so dangerous, yet so at one with nature. (Laughing) And they had this connection to the ocean. And it all seemed so mystical and beautiful and romantic. And you can make jokes about it - and I certainly make plenty of jokes about it. But as yo... | i love the, bonfire scene you know and their night surfing these guys were, so dangerous yet so at one with nature (laughing) and they had this connection to the ocean and it all seemed, so. mystical and beautiful and romantic and you can make, jokes about it, - and i certainly make, plenty of jokes about it but as you... | I love the bonfire scene you. know and their night surfing These guys. were so dangerous yet so at one with nature (Laughing) And they had this connection to the ocean And it all seemed so mystical and. beautiful and romantic, And you can make jokes about it. - and I certainly make plenty of jokes about it But as you'r... | i love the bonfire scene, you know, and their night surfing. these guys were so dangerous, yet so at one with nature. (laughing) and they had this connection to the ocean. and it all seemed so mystical and beautiful and romantic. and you can make jokes about it - and i certainly make plenty of jokes about it. but as yo... |
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE") | (soundbite of song "nobody rides for | (SOUNDBITE OF SONG "NOBODY RIDES FOR | (soundbite of song, "nobody rides for free") |
That's actress Katie Aselton, talking about the movie she could watch a million times, Kathryn's Bigelow's "Point Break." Aselton directed and stars in the new film "Black Rock," which is currently in theaters. | that's actress katie aselton talking about the movie she could watch a million times kathryn's bigelow's "point break" aselton directed and stars in the new film "black rock" which is currently in | That's actress Katie Aselton, talking about the movie she could watch a; million times. Kathryn's Bigelow's. "Point Break" Aselton directed and stars in the new film "Black Rock" which is currently, in | that's actress katie aselton, talking about the movie she could watch a million times, kathryn's bigelow's "point break." aselton directed and stars in the new film "black rock," which is currently in theaters. |
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE") | (soundbite of, song "nobody rides for; | (SOUNDBITE OF SONG "NOBODY RIDES FOR | (soundbite of song, "nobody rides for free") |
(Singing) I'm sick and tired of it getting in my own way. I'm sick and tired of everything I see, but I know... | (singing) i'm sick, and tired of it getting in my own way, i'm sick and; tired of everything i, see but i | (Singing) I'm sick and tired of it. getting in my own way I'm sick and tired of everything I see but I | (singing) i'm sick and tired of it getting in my own way. i'm sick and tired of everything i see, but i know... |
It's WEEKENDS on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR News. I'm Guy Raz. | it's weekends on all things considered from npr news i'm guy | It's WEEKENDS on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR News I'm Guy | it's weekends on all things considered from npr news. i'm guy raz. |
(SOUNDBITE OF CHEERING) | (soundbite of | (SOUNDBITE OF | (soundbite of cheering) |
Hello, Falcons. | hello | Hello | hello, falcons. |
Those would be the Falcons of Bowling Green State University, where President Obama was visiting this week, campaigning in Northwestern Ohio. | those would be the falcons of bowling green state university where president obama. was visiting this week campaigning. in northwestern | Those would be the Falcons of Bowling Green State University where President Obama. was visiting this week campaigning in Northwestern | those would be the falcons of bowling green state university, where president obama was visiting this week, campaigning in northwestern ohio. |
(Chanting) Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. | (chanting) four more years. four more years four more | (Chanting) Four more, years Four more years Four more | (chanting) four more years. four more years. four more years. |
Now, the very next day, 20 minutes away, Mitt Romney held a rally of his own. | now the very next day 20 minutes away mitt romney, held, a, rally of his | Now the very next day 20 minutes away Mitt Romney held a rally of his | now, the very next day, 20 minutes away, mitt romney held a rally of his own. |
I know that they're out there chanting at his events, four more years. But let me ask you this: Do you want four more years with 23 million people struggling to find a job? | i know that they're out there chanting at his events four more years. but let me ask you this: do you want four more years with 23 million people struggling to, find a. | I know that they're out there chanting at his events four more years But let me ask you this: Do you want four more years with 23 million people struggling to find a | i know that they're out there chanting at his events, four more years. but let me ask you this: do you want four more years with 23 million people struggling to find a job? |
(SOUNDBITE OF CHEERING) | (soundbite of | (SOUNDBITE; OF | (soundbite of cheering) |
And at both these rallies, lots of people from Wood County, Ohio. The president was smack in the middle of Wood County; Mitt Romney just north of it. And why is this county, population 125,000, such an important place? | and at both. these rallies lots of people from wood county ohio the president was smack in the middle of wood county mitt romney just; north of it, and why is this. county population 125,000, such an important | And at both these rallies lots of people from Wood County Ohio The president was smack in the middle of Wood County Mitt. Romney just north of it And why is this county population 125,000, such an important | and at both these rallies, lots of people from wood county, ohio. the president was smack in the middle of wood county; mitt romney just north of it. and why is this county, population 125,000, such an important place? |
Since 1960, it's predicted every election except for one. | since 1960, it's predicted; every election except for | Since, 1960, it's predicted every election except for; | since 1960, it's predicted every election except for one. |
Every presidential election except for 1976. That's Matt Reger. He's the chair of the Wood County Republican Party. | every presidential. election except for 1976. that's matt reger he's the chair of the wood county republican | Every presidential election except, for, 1976. That's Matt Reger He's the chair of the Wood County Republican | every presidential election except for 1976. that's matt reger. he's the chair of the wood county republican party. |
I think that it is a microcosm of Ohio, which in some parts is a microcosm of the United States. We have an even distribution of Democrats and Republicans who are registered, a little bit more on the Republican side, and then we have a large degree of independents. | i. think that it is a microcosm of. ohio which in some parts is a microcosm of the, united, states we have an even distribution of democrats and republicans who, are registered a little bit more on the republican side and then we have a large degree of | I think that it is a microcosm, of Ohio which in some. parts is a, microcosm of the United States We, have an even distribution of Democrats and Republicans who are registered a little bit more on the Republican side and then we have a large degree of, | i think that it is a microcosm of ohio, which in some parts is a microcosm of the united states. we have an even distribution of democrats and republicans who are registered, a little bit more on the republican side, and then we have a large degree of independents. |
Almost 60,000 independents. That's more than the combined number of registered Democrats and Republicans in Wood County. That means as Wood County goes, so goes Ohio. And no Republican has ever won the White House without it. Ohio and why it matters quite possibly more than any other state this year - that's our cover ... | almost 60,000 independents that's more than the combined number of registered democrats and republicans in wood county that means as wood county goes so goes ohio and no republican has ever won the white house without it ohio and why, it matters quite possibly more than any other state this year - that's our cover stor... | Almost 60,000 independents That's more. than the combined number of registered Democrats and Republicans in Wood County That means as Wood County goes so goes Ohio And no Republican has ever won the White, House, without it Ohio and why it; matters quite. possibly more than any other state, this year - that's our cover... | almost 60,000 independents. that's more than the combined number of registered democrats and republicans in wood county. that means as wood county goes, so goes ohio. and no republican has ever won the white house without it. ohio and why it matters quite possibly more than any other state this year - that's our cover ... |
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "MY CITY WAS GONE") | (soundbite of song "my. city was | (SOUNDBITE OF SONG "MY CITY WAS | (soundbite of song, "my city was gone") |
UNIDENTIFIED MAN #1: (Singing) I went back to Ohio. | unidentified man #1: (singing) i went back to | UNIDENTIFIED MAN #1: (Singing) I went back to | unidentified man #1: (singing) i went back to ohio. |
And let's begin our coverage with NPR's Ari Shapiro, our White House correspondent, who has been with both the Romney campaign and the Obama campaigns this past week. Ari, great to have you back. | and. let's begin our coverage with npr's ari shapiro our. white house correspondent who has been with both the romney campaign and, the obama campaigns this past week ari great to have. you | And let's begin; our coverage. with NPR's Ari Shapiro our White House, correspondent who has been with both the Romney campaign and the Obama campaigns this past week Ari great to have you | and let's begin our coverage with npr's ari shapiro, our white house correspondent, who has been with both the romney campaign and the obama campaigns this past week. ari, great to have you back. |
Thanks. | thanks. | ||
Let's start with Romney's trip to Ohio. What was his reception like there? It was a big trip, and they put a lot of resources into that trip. | let's start with romney's trip to ohio what was his reception like there? it, was a big trip and they put a lot of resources into that | Let's start with Romney's trip to Ohio What was his reception like there? It was a big, trip. and they put a; lot of resources into that | let's start with romney's trip to ohio. what was his reception like there? it was a big trip, and they put a lot of resources into that trip. |
Big trip, big rallies, a bus tour after he left New York at the beginning of the week. He flew out there and joined his running mate, Paul Ryan. Whenever Ryan is with him, he has a little bit more energy and the audience is more enthusiastic than when he's on his own. Ohio is becoming the crucial state as it has been i... | big trip big rallies a bus tour after he left new york at the beginning of the week he flew out there and joined his running mate paul ryan whenever ryan is with him he has a little bit more energy and, the; audience is more enthusiastic than when he's on his own ohio is becoming, the crucial state as it has been in ma... | Big trip big rallies, a bus tour after he left New York at the beginning of the week He, flew out there and joined his running mate Paul Ryan Whenever Ryan is. with. him he has a little bit more energy and. the audience. is more enthusiastic than when he's on his own. Ohio is becoming, the. crucial state as it has been... | big trip, big rallies, a bus tour after he left new york at the beginning of the week. he flew out there and joined his running mate, paul ryan. whenever ryan is with him, he has a little bit more energy and the audience is more enthusiastic than when he's on his own. ohio is becoming the crucial state as it has been i... |
Do his - did you get a sense, being with the Romney team, that, you know, they are concerned about the president pulling away from Romney in Ohio? | do; his - did you get a sense being with the romney team that you know they are concerned about; the president pulling, away from romney; in | Do his - did you get a sense being with the Romney team that you know they are concerned about the. president pulling away from Romney in | do his - did you get a sense, being with the romney team, that, you know, they are concerned about the president pulling away from romney in ohio? |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite, of | (soundbite of laughter) |
So one thing I wanted to do, also, was to have a chance for people, for readers to think it through for themselves - and to be rather skeptical sometimes - about the fact that there are so many different messages, and then to try to sort out for themselves how all of this affects their own lives, what they think about ... | so one thing i wanted to do, also was to have a chance for people for readers to. think it through for themselves - and, to be rather skeptical sometimes - about, the fact that there are so many different messages and then to try to sort out for themselves how all of this affects their own lives what they think about h... | So one thing I wanted to do also was to have a chance for people for, readers to think it through for themselves - and to be rather skeptical sometimes - about, the fact that there are so many different messages and, then. to try to sort out for, themselves how all of this affects their own lives what they think about ... | so one thing i wanted to do, also, was to have a chance for people, for readers to think it through for themselves - and to be rather skeptical sometimes - about the fact that there are so many different messages, and then to try to sort out for themselves how all of this affects their own lives, what they think about ... |
And I was interested that you immediately began to think what had made you realize more about your own happiness. I found that when I was writing the book, first of all, people might be a little skeptical. What is going on? Why is this person writing another book about happiness? | and i was interested that you; immediately began to think what had made you realize more about your own happiness i found that when i was writing. the book. first of all people might be a little skeptical what is going on? why. is this person; writing another book about | And I was interested, that you immediately began to think what had made you realize, more about your own happiness I found that when I was writing the book first, of all people might be a little skeptical, What is going on? Why is this person writing another book about | and i was interested that you immediately began to think what had made you realize more about your own happiness. i found that when i was writing the book, first of all, people might be a little skeptical. what is going on? why is this person writing another book about happiness? |
And then, however, almost immediately, they would bring up some memory, something important in their lives that had mattered to them. And that's why I called one of my first chapters, really, "Experience." I'm very, very interested in how people do experience happiness. | and then however almost immediately they would bring up some memory something important in their lives that had, mattered to them and that's why i called one of my first chapters really "experience" i'm very very interested in how people do experience | And then. however almost immediately they would bring up some memory something important in their lives that had mattered to them And that's why I called one of my, first chapters really "Experience" I'm very very interested in; how people do experience | and then, however, almost immediately, they would bring up some memory, something important in their lives that had mattered to them. and that's why i called one of my first chapters, really, "experience." i'm very, very interested in how people do experience happiness. |
It was so fascinating because it's not you're not just talking about the state of happiness or contentment with one's life but in fact, the experience of euphoria or happiness after some of the worst experiences in one's life. | it was, so fascinating, because it's not you're not, just talking about the state of happiness or contentment with. one's, life but in fact the experience of euphoria or happiness after, some of the worst experiences in one's | It was so fascinating because it's. not you're not just talking about the state, of happiness, or contentment with one's life but in fact the experience of euphoria or. happiness; after some of the worst experiences in one's | it was so fascinating because it's not you're not just talking about the state of happiness or contentment with one's life but in fact, the experience of euphoria or happiness after some of the worst experiences in one's life. |
Yes and indeed, my book also has, as a cover, a painting by Turner called "Sunrise and Sea Monsters." And to me, that's very important. Yes, there is sunrise in everybody's life, but there are, indeed, also monsters of various kinds. And so it's the combination of happy experiences and experiences, sometimes, of great ... | yes and indeed my book also has as a cover, a, painting. by turner called "sunrise and sea monsters" and to me that's, very important yes there is. sunrise in everybody's life but there are indeed also monsters of various kinds and so it's the combination of happy experiences and experiences sometimes of great sufferin... | Yes and indeed my book also has as a cover a painting by Turner, called "Sunrise and Sea Monsters" And to me that's very important Yes there is sunrise in everybody's life but there are indeed also, monsters of various kinds And so it's the combination of happy experiences and experiences sometimes of great suffering t... | yes and indeed, my book also has, as a cover, a painting by turner called "sunrise and sea monsters." and to me, that's very important. yes, there is sunrise in everybody's life, but there are, indeed, also monsters of various kinds. and so it's the combination of happy experiences and experiences, sometimes, of great ... |
Let's bring it down out of the ether for a moment, and say that our own daily experiences in the world help shape how we perceive and define happiness. But there's a philosopher, Robert Nozick, who created an experiment that tests the question: Is there more to life than being happy? Tell us about that. | let's bring it down out of the ether. for a moment and say that our own daily experiences in the world help shape how we perceive and define happiness but there's a philosopher robert nozick, who created an experiment that tests the question: is there more to life than being happy? tell us. about | Let's bring it down out of the. ether for a moment and say that our own daily experiences in, the world help shape how we perceive and define. happiness But there's a philosopher Robert Nozick who created an experiment that. tests; the question: Is there more to; life than being, happy? Tell us about | let's bring it down out of the ether for a moment, and say that our own daily experiences in the world help shape how we perceive and define happiness. but there's a philosopher, robert nozick, who created an experiment that tests the question: is there more to life than being happy? tell us about that. |
Yes, that's called the experience machine, and it's a thought experiment. Robert Nozick asks us to think: What would it be like, and would we in fact want to choose to live in a kind of machine where we would always have perfectly happy experiences? We could choose the kind. | yes that's called. the. experience machine and it's a thought experiment robert nozick asks us to think: what would it be like and would we in fact want to choose to live in a kind of machine where, we would always have perfectly, happy experiences? we could choose the | Yes that's called the experience machine and it's. a thought experiment Robert Nozick asks us to, think: What would it be like and would we in fact want to choose; to live in, a kind of machine. where we would always have perfectly happy experiences? We could choose the | yes, that's called the experience machine, and it's a thought experiment. robert nozick asks us to think: what would it be like, and would we in fact want to choose to live in a kind of machine where we would always have perfectly happy experiences? we could choose the kind. |
We might, for example, believe that we're a great scientist or a great artist, or have wonderful love experiences or children who love us. It's just that none of it would be true. But we would feel that way. | we might for, example believe that we're. a great scientist or a great artist or have, wonderful love experiences. or, children who, love us it's just that none of it would be true. but we would feel that | We might for, example believe that we're a great scientist or a great, artist or have wonderful love experiences or children who love us It's just that none of it would be true. But we would feel that | we might, for example, believe that we're a great scientist or a great artist, or have wonderful love experiences or children who love us. it's just that none of it would be true. but we would feel that way. |
Would we choose to enter that kind of machine? | would we choose to enter that kind, of | Would we choose to enter that kind, of | would we choose to enter that kind of machine? |
Now, most people say no. But the interesting thing is that when professors ask this question in various classes, some students say maybe - almost as a just, yeah, why not? I might try it. | now most; people say no but the. interesting thing is that when professors ask this question in various classes some students say maybe - almost as a just yeah why not? i might try | Now most people say no But the interesting thing is that when professors ask this question in various classes some students say maybe - almost as a just yeah, why not? I might try | now, most people say no. but the interesting thing is that when professors ask this question in various classes, some students say maybe - almost as a just, yeah, why not? i might try it. |
It's like the movie "The Matrix," sort of... | it's; like the movie. "the matrix" sort | It's like the movie "The Matrix" sort | it's like the movie "the matrix," sort of... |
It is a little like the movie "The Matrix," that's right. And that, in its own right, is a thought experiment. It helps us to think through those questions. | it is a little like the movie "the matrix" that's right and that in, its own right is, a thought experiment it, helps us to think through. those; | It is a little like the, movie "The Matrix" that's right And that, in its own right is a thought experiment It helps us to think through those | it is a little like the movie "the matrix," that's right. and that, in its own right, is a thought experiment. it helps us to think through those questions. |
Are we the best judges of our own happiness? | are we the best judges of our own | Are we the best. judges of our own | are we the best judges of our own happiness? |
I certainly think you have to start with our judgment of our own happiness. It's not possible just to have people try to look at us from the outside. But I don't think it's enough. | i certainly. think you have to start with our judgment of our own happiness it's not possible just to have people try to, look at us from the outside but i don't think it's | I certainly think you have to start with, our judgment of our own happiness It's not possible just to have people try to look at us from the outside But I don't think. it's | i certainly think you have to start with our judgment of our own happiness. it's not possible just to have people try to look at us from the outside. but i don't think it's enough. |
Say, there are some people who might think they're really happy, and yet they may be living in a world very much like that machine. They may be totally deluded, for instance, about themselves. | say there are some people who might think they're really happy, and yet, they may be living, in a world very much like that, machine they may be totally, deluded for instance about | Say. there are; some, people who might think they're really happy and yet they may be living in a world very much like that machine They may be totally. deluded for instance about | say, there are some people who might think they're really happy, and yet they may be living in a world very much like that machine. they may be totally deluded, for instance, about themselves. |
So we need to have both the personal experience of happiness and the outside point of view. | so, we need to have both, the personal experience of happiness and the outside point of | So we need to have both. the personal experience of happiness and the outside point of | so we need to have both the personal experience of happiness and the outside point of view. |
Let's take a couple callers. I am going to try and pin you down at some point and tell me how to make my life happy, even though you don't want to. But let's take a couple of callers first. We have Max(ph) in Goldsboro, North Carolina. Tell me: What is your experience? Hello. | let's, take a couple callers i, am going. to try and pin you down at. some point and tell me how to make my life happy even though you. don't want to but let's take a couple of callers first we have max(ph) in goldsboro north carolina tell me: what is your | Let's take a couple callers I am going to try and pin you down at some point and tell me how to make my, life happy even though you don't want to, But let's; take a couple of callers first We have Max(ph) in Goldsboro North Carolina Tell me: What is your | let's take a couple callers. i am going to try and pin you down at some point and tell me how to make my life happy, even though you don't want to. but let's take a couple of callers first. we have max(ph) in goldsboro, north carolina. tell me: what is your experience? hello. |
Hi Max. | hi | Hi | hi max. |
Hi, good afternoon. My faith teaches me that serving my fellow man is what I'm supposed to do. I went to with a group of people, went to Mississippi after Katrina, and I went to Texas a couple years later after that storm. I've done, you know, worked with Stop Hunger Now. Those things truly make me happy, and bring pe... | hi good afternoon my faith teaches me that, serving my fellow man is what i'm supposed to do i went to with a group of people went to mississippi after katrina and i. went to texas a couple years later after that storm i've done you know worked with stop hunger now those things truly make me happy and bring peace to | Hi good afternoon, My, faith teaches me, that serving my fellow man is what I'm supposed to do I went to with a group of people went to Mississippi after Katrina and I went to Texas a couple years, later after that storm I've done, you. know worked; with Stop Hunger Now Those things truly make me happy and bring peace... | hi, good afternoon. my faith teaches me that serving my fellow man is what i'm supposed to do. i went to with a group of people, went to mississippi after katrina, and i went to texas a couple years later after that storm. i've done, you know, worked with stop hunger now. those things truly make me happy, and bring pe... |
Well, more honor to you. I think a great many people would agree with you. There are others who might find happiness in very different experiences -say, for instance, some great artist, or a person who just loves being an artist, who might never go to help his fellow man and yet experience happiness of another kind. | well more honor, to you, i think a great many people, would agree with you there are others who might find happiness in; very different experiences -say. for instance some great artist or, a person who just loves being, an artist, who might never go to help his fellow man and yet experience happiness of another | Well. more honor to you, I think a great many people would agree with you There are, others who might find happiness in very different experiences -say for instance. some great artist or, a person who just loves being an artist, who might never go to. help his fellow man and yet experience happiness, of another | well, more honor to you. i think a great many people would agree with you. there are others who might find happiness in very different experiences -say, for instance, some great artist, or a person who just loves being an artist, who might never go to help his fellow man and yet experience happiness of another kind. |
Thank you for your call, Max. Let's take a similar thought here from Jessica(ph) in Liverpool, New York. | thank you for your call max let's take a similar thought here from jessica(ph) in liverpool new | Thank you for your, call Max Let's take a similar thought here from, Jessica(ph) in, Liverpool New | thank you for your call, max. let's take a similar thought here from jessica(ph) in liverpool, new york. |
Hi, thank you for taking my call. I found that when I was a child, I got a lot of satisfaction out of complimenting other people. I did feel some guilt from it, though, because I wasn't always honest with people. | hi thank, you for taking my call i found that when i was a child, i got. a lot of satisfaction out of complimenting other people i did feel some. guilt from it though because i wasn't always honest with, | Hi thank you for taking my call I found that when I was a. child I got a lot of satisfaction. out of complimenting other people I did feel some guilt from it though because I, wasn't always honest with | hi, thank you for taking my call. i found that when i was a child, i got a lot of satisfaction out of complimenting other people. i did feel some guilt from it, though, because i wasn't always honest with people. |
Sometimes I would say oh, you look so nice today, or I love your outfit, and I realized that even though I might be making that person smile or feel good, it wasn't always necessarily the truth. | sometimes i would say oh you look so nice today or i love your outfit and i realized that even though i might be making that person smile, or feel good it wasn't always necessarily the | Sometimes I would say oh you look so nice today or I love your outfit and I realized. that even though I might be. making that person smile or feel good it wasn't always necessarily the | sometimes i would say oh, you look so nice today, or i love your outfit, and i realized that even though i might be making that person smile or feel good, it wasn't always necessarily the truth. |
So as I became older, I found that I got the most satisfaction when I was able to help other people, and now I've gone into a career with social work, where that's what I do every day. And I'm happiest when I spend the majority of my time putting other people first. | so as i, became older i found that i got the, most satisfaction when i was able to help. other. people and now i've gone into a career with social work where, that's what i do every day and i'm, happiest when i spend, the. majority of. my time putting other people | So as I became older I found that I got the most satisfaction when, I was able to help other people and now I've gone into a career with social work where that's, what, I do every day And I'm happiest when I spend the, majority of my; time putting other people, | so as i became older, i found that i got the most satisfaction when i was able to help other people, and now i've gone into a career with social work, where that's what i do every day. and i'm happiest when i spend the majority of my time putting other people first. |
Thank you so much for your call. Go ahead, Sissela Bok. | thank you so much for your call go ahead, sissela | Thank you so much for your call Go ahead Sissela | thank you so much for your call. go ahead, sissela bok. |
Yes, I think again, I really honor that, too. And I think it's very interesting that you came to the conclusion that just telling people something that wasn't true - as you say, it might make them smile, but it wouldn't necessarily be what you would want for them or for your own happiness. | yes i think again i really honor that. too and i think it's very interesting that. you came to the conclusion that just telling people something that, wasn't true - as you, say it, might make them smile but it wouldn't necessarily be what you would, want for them or for your own | Yes I think again I really honor that too, And I think it's very, interesting that you came to the conclusion that just telling people something; that wasn't true - as you. say it might make them smile. but it wouldn't necessarily be what you would want; for them or for your own | yes, i think again, i really honor that, too. and i think it's very interesting that you came to the conclusion that just telling people something that wasn't true - as you say, it might make them smile, but it wouldn't necessarily be what you would want for them or for your own happiness. |
Yes. | yes. | ||
Yeah, are you going to do a national tour on this? | yeah are. you going to do a national tour on | Yeah are you going to do, a national tour, on | yeah, are you going to do a national tour on this? |
And therefore, to me, when you think about happiness, it really has to do both with yourself, what kind of person you want to be, what kind of life you want to lead - we've now had two callers who have talked about that. But also, what can you do for other people? And then, to me, very important, you need to step back ... | and therefore to me when you think about happiness, it really has to do both with yourself. what kind of person you want to be what kind of life you want to lead - we've. now had two callers who have talked. about that but also what can you do for other people? and then to me very. important you need to. step back and ... | And therefore to me when you think about, happiness. it really has to do both with yourself what kind of person you want to be what kind of life you want to lead - we've now had two callers who have talked, about that But also what can you do. for other people? And then to me very important; you need to step back and. ... | and therefore, to me, when you think about happiness, it really has to do both with yourself, what kind of person you want to be, what kind of life you want to lead - we've now had two callers who have talked about that. but also, what can you do for other people? and then, to me, very important, you need to step back ... |
Why is that, Sissela Bok? Are we just socialized into this idea that helping others should make us feel good? Or what do you think's going on there? | why is that; sissela bok? are we just socialized, into this idea that. helping others should make us feel good? or what do you think's going on | Why is that Sissela Bok? Are we just socialized into this idea that helping others should make us feel. good? Or what do you think's going on. | why is that, sissela bok? are we just socialized into this idea that helping others should make us feel good? or what do you think's going on there? |
I do think we are often brought up, from the very beginning, to think that we feel better if we help other people. Now, I think children are often very suspicious of that - you know, the idea it's better to give than to receive. | i do think we are, often brought up from the very beginning, to think, that we feel better if we help other people now i think children are often very suspicious of, that - you know the idea it's better to give than to | I do think we, are, often brought up from the very beginning to think that we. feel, better if we help; other people Now I think children. are often very suspicious of that - you know the idea it's better to give than, to | i do think we are often brought up, from the very beginning, to think that we feel better if we help other people. now, i think children are often very suspicious of that - you know, the idea it's better to give than to receive. |
Well, in the beginning, children are not at all so sure. And so we need to become much more perceptive, also about that giving. Are we giving people things that will actually make them happy or not? And therefore, again, thinking about happiness, one's own and that of other people, involves trying to take the perspecti... | well in the beginning children are not at, all so sure, and so we need to become much more perceptive also about that giving are we giving people things that will actually make them happy or not? and therefore again thinking about happiness one's own and that of, other people involves trying to take the perspective, of... | Well, in the. beginning children are. not at all, so sure, And so we need, to become much more perceptive also about that giving Are we giving people things that will actually make them happy or not? And, therefore, again thinking about happiness one's own and that of other people involves trying to take the perspectiv... | well, in the beginning, children are not at all so sure. and so we need to become much more perceptive, also about that giving. are we giving people things that will actually make them happy or not? and therefore, again, thinking about happiness, one's own and that of other people, involves trying to take the perspecti... |
Well, you do bring up morality quite a bit in the book. And you're almost suggesting that happiness does not have to be associated with morality. It's not immoral, but just amoral. | well you do bring up morality quite a bit in the book and you're almost suggesting that happiness does not have to be associated with morality it's not immoral but just | Well you do. bring up morality quite a bit. in the book And you're almost suggesting that happiness does not have to be associated with morality It's not immoral but just | well, you do bring up morality quite a bit in the book. and you're almost suggesting that happiness does not have to be associated with morality. it's not immoral, but just amoral. |
Well, it certainly is true, if we stop to think, that there are a lot of people who seem happy, who are not at all impressive from a moral point of view, so that it's very much too simple to think that happiness and being nice and kind and altruistic - that those two things always combine. It doesn't. | well. it certainly is true if we stop to think that there are a lot of people who seem happy who are. not at all impressive from a moral point of view so that it's very much too simple to think. that happiness and being nice and kind and altruistic - that those two things. always combine, it | Well it certainly is true if we stop to think that there are a lot of people who seem happy who are not at all impressive from, a moral point of view so that it's very much. too, simple to think that happiness and being nice and kind and. altruistic - that those two things always combine It | well, it certainly is true, if we stop to think, that there are a lot of people who seem happy, who are not at all impressive from a moral point of view, so that it's very much too simple to think that happiness and being nice and kind and altruistic - that those two things always combine. it doesn't. |
There are some really awful people who may very well actually be happy, and there are some unbelievably kind and lovely human beings who nevertheless, are suffering. | there; are some really awful people who may very well actually be happy and there are some, unbelievably kind and lovely human beings, who nevertheless are | There are some really awful people, who may very well actually, be happy and there are some unbelievably, kind and lovely human beings who nevertheless, are | there are some really awful people who may very well actually be happy, and there are some unbelievably kind and lovely human beings who nevertheless, are suffering. |
How do people judge their happiness, from Socrates, Voltaire and Montaigne to now? | how do people judge their happiness from socrates, voltaire and montaigne to | How do people judge their happiness from Socrates Voltaire and Montaigne to | how do people judge their happiness, from socrates, voltaire and montaigne to now? |
How do people judge their happiness? Well, one thing is simply to ask oneself, and there you can take on the one hand, moment to moment, am I happy right now? Was I happy yesterday? What kinds of ups and downs have I gone through? | how, do people judge their happiness? well one thing is simply to ask oneself and there you can take on the one hand moment to moment am i happy right now? was i happy yesterday? what kinds of ups and downs have i gone | How do people judge their happiness? Well one thing is simply to ask oneself and there you can take on the one hand moment to moment am I, happy, right now? Was I happy yesterday? What kinds of ups and downs have I gone | how do people judge their happiness? well, one thing is simply to ask oneself, and there you can take on the one hand, moment to moment, am i happy right now? was i happy yesterday? what kinds of ups and downs have i gone through? |
Am I satisfied with my life as I look back? Even though I may have had a lot of happy moments, is that what I really wanted to do with my life? That's a very different question. | am i satisfied with my life as i look back? even though i may have had a lot of happy moments is that what i, really wanted to do with my life? that's a very different | Am I satisfied with my life as I. look back? Even though I may have had a lot of happy moments. is that what I really wanted to do with my life? That's a very, different | am i satisfied with my life as i look back? even though i may have had a lot of happy moments, is that what i really wanted to do with my life? that's a very different question. |
We're talking with Sissela Bok. The book is called "Exploring Happiness," and we'll get more of your calls in just a moment. We'd like to hear from you about where you learned about happiness. Who taught you what that means and how to achieve it? | we're talking with sissela bok the book is called "exploring happiness" and we'll get more of, your calls, in just a moment, we'd like to hear from you about where, you learned about happiness who taught you what that. means and how to achieve | We're talking with Sissela Bok The book, is called "Exploring Happiness" and we'll get more. of your calls in just a moment We'd like to hear from you about where you learned about happiness Who taught. you what that means and how to achieve | we're talking with sissela bok. the book is called "exploring happiness," and we'll get more of your calls in just a moment. we'd like to hear from you about where you learned about happiness. who taught you what that means and how to achieve it? |
The number is 800-989-8255. Or drop us an email; the address is talk@npr.org. I'm Andrea Seabrook. Stay with us. It's TALK OF THE NATION, from NPR News. | the number is 800-989-8255. or drop us an email the address is talk@npr.org i'm andrea seabrook stay with, us it's talk of the nation from npr | The number is 800-989-8255. Or drop us an email the address is talk@npr.org I'm Andrea Seabrook Stay. with us, It's TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | the number is 800-989-8255. or drop us an email; the address is talk@npr.org. i'm andrea seabrook. stay with us. it's talk of the nation, from npr news. |
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Sissela Bok is the author of "Exploring Happiness: From Aristotle to Brain Science." And Ms. Bok, I want to ask you, there's a certain line of thought that seems to be pretty prominent, talking about happiness, and it's brought up by one of our listeners, Nancy Griffith(ph) in Sacramento, California. She says: I wonder... | sissela. bok is the author of "exploring happiness: from aristotle to brain science" and ms bok i want to ask you there's a certain line of thought that seems to be pretty prominent talking about happiness and it's brought up by one, of our listeners nancy griffith(ph) in sacramento california she says: i wonder if the... | Sissela Bok is the author of "Exploring Happiness: From Aristotle to Brain Science" And Ms Bok I want. to ask you there's a certain line of thought that seems to be. pretty prominent talking about happiness and it's, brought, up by one of our, listeners Nancy Griffith(ph) in Sacramento California She says: I wonder, if... | sissela bok is the author of "exploring happiness: from aristotle to brain science." and ms. bok, i want to ask you, there's a certain line of thought that seems to be pretty prominent, talking about happiness, and it's brought up by one of our listeners, nancy griffith(ph) in sacramento, california. she says: i wonder... |
I'm interested that Abe Lincoln said that. In a way, it's what we would like to believe, perhaps, that we can set out to be happy and if we do, we shall be happy. It's not clear that his own life worked out exactly like this, judging from biographies, and I think much more enters in. | i'm interested that abe lincoln said that in a way it's what we would like to believe perhaps that we can set out to be happy. and if we do we shall be happy it's. not clear that; his own life worked out exactly like this judging. from biographies and i think much more enters | I'm interested that Abe Lincoln said, that In, a way it's what we. would like to believe perhaps that; we can set out. to be, happy and if we do, we shall be happy It's, not clear that his, own life worked out exactly like. this judging from biographies and I think much more enters | i'm interested that abe lincoln said that. in a way, it's what we would like to believe, perhaps, that we can set out to be happy and if we do, we shall be happy. it's not clear that his own life worked out exactly like this, judging from biographies, and i think much more enters in. |
Things can happen that one simply cannot plan in advance, and it's not possible, I think, to do what many self-help books say; namely, simply to quote-unquote choose happiness. | things can happen that one simply. cannot plan in, advance and it's not possible i think to do what many self-help; books say namely simply to quote-unquote choose, | Things can happen that one simply; cannot. plan, in advance and it's not possible I. think to do what many self-help. books say namely simply to quote-unquote choose | things can happen that one simply cannot plan in advance, and it's not possible, i think, to do what many self-help books say; namely, simply to quote-unquote choose happiness. |
One has to do a lot more about it, and one also has to think through what happiness should mean in one's life. And there, again, we come back to moral questions. Even if I can set out to be happy, is that what I really want to do with my life, or are there some other things that matter more, perhaps? | one has to, do a lot more about it and one also has to think. through what happiness should mean in one's life and there again we come. back to moral questions even if. i can set out to be happy is that what i really want to do with my life or are. there some other things that matter more | One has to do a lot more about it and one also has to think through what, happiness should mean in one's life And there again we come back to moral questions Even if I can; set. out to, be happy is, that what I really want to do with my life or are. there some, other things that matter more | one has to do a lot more about it, and one also has to think through what happiness should mean in one's life. and there, again, we come back to moral questions. even if i can set out to be happy, is that what i really want to do with my life, or are there some other things that matter more, perhaps? |
Then who are the happiest people? | then who, are the happiest | Then who are. the happiest | then who are the happiest people? |
Ah, who are the happiest people? There, researchers have done a lot over the last few years, you know, with questionnaires all through the world, comparing different countries, different societies, different levels of education, different levels of wealth and poverty. | ah who are the happiest people? there researchers have done a lot, over the last few years you know, with questionnaires all through the world comparing different countries different societies different levels of, education different levels of wealth; and | Ah who are the happiest. people? There researchers have done a lot over the, last few years you. know with questionnaires all through the world comparing different countries different societies different levels of education different. levels of wealth and | ah, who are the happiest people? there, researchers have done a lot over the last few years, you know, with questionnaires all through the world, comparing different countries, different societies, different levels of education, different levels of wealth and poverty. |
So they've made a lot of comparisons. And I, because I'm of Swedish origin, I couldn't help noticing that Scandinavians, on the whole, score quite highly on those questionnaires. So do the Dutch and the Swiss - and the Costa Ricans, interestingly. | so they've made a lot, of comparisons and. i because i'm of swedish origin i couldn't help noticing that, scandinavians on the whole score quite highly on those questionnaires so do the dutch and, the swiss - and the costa ricans | So they've made a lot of comparisons And I because I'm of. Swedish origin I couldn't. help noticing that Scandinavians. on the whole score quite highly on those questionnaires So do. the Dutch, and the Swiss - and. the Costa Ricans | so they've made a lot of comparisons. and i, because i'm of swedish origin, i couldn't help noticing that scandinavians, on the whole, score quite highly on those questionnaires. so do the dutch and the swiss - and the costa ricans, interestingly. |
There are all kinds of differences that make for the differences among the responses to these questions. | there are all kinds of differences that make for the differences among the responses to these | There are, all kinds of differences. that, make for the differences among the responses to these | there are all kinds of differences that make for the differences among the responses to these questions. |
Now, it can't just be nationality. | now it can't just. be | Now it can't just be | now, it can't just be nationality. |
No, it's not nationality, I think, at all. It does have to do with a variety of factors. One has to do one is really, how secure do you feel in your society? Is it a society, for instance, that is at peace? Is it a society where you have some expectation that you're going to get community support if you are in poor he... | no it's not nationality i think at all it does have to do with a variety of factors one has to do one is really how secure do you feel in your society? is it a society, for instance that is at peace? is it, a society where you have some expectation that you're going to. get community support if you. are in poor health... | No it's not nationality I think at all It does have to do with a variety of factors One has to do one is really how secure do. you feel in your society? Is it a society for instance that is at peace? Is. it a society where you, have some expectation that you're going to get community support if you are in poor health ... | no, it's not nationality, i think, at all. it does have to do with a variety of factors. one has to do one is really, how secure do you feel in your society? is it a society, for instance, that is at peace? is it a society where you have some expectation that you're going to get community support if you are in poor he... |
But then there are other elements as well. It does seem, for instance, that Latin American societies, even though they may be poorer, very often, that there is something that brings about greater cheer often, comparatively, in their societies. | but then there are other. elements as well it does seem, for instance that latin american societies even, though they, may be poorer very often that there is something that brings about greater. cheer often comparatively in their | But then there are other elements as well It does seem for instance that Latin American societies even though they may be poorer very often that, there is something that brings about greater cheer often comparatively in their | but then there are other elements as well. it does seem, for instance, that latin american societies, even though they may be poorer, very often, that there is something that brings about greater cheer often, comparatively, in their societies. |
Let's take a couple calls. Carol(ph) in Sturgis, Michigan. Hi, you're on TALK OF THE NATION. | let's take a, couple calls carol(ph) in sturgis michigan hi you're on talk of the | Let's take a couple calls Carol(ph) in; Sturgis Michigan Hi you're on TALK OF THE | let's take a couple calls. carol(ph) in sturgis, michigan. hi, you're on talk of the nation. |
Hi there, yes, Sturgis, Michigan. How are you today? | hi there yes sturgis michigan; how are you | Hi, there yes Sturgis Michigan How are you | hi there, yes, sturgis, michigan. how are you today? |
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