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By the way, he earns at least $22 million a year plus stock and says he's committed to, quote, "strengthening our culture." What does that mean? Dov Seidman is CEO of the business ethics consulting firm LRN. And he joins us now from New York. Mr. Seidman, thanks so much for being with us. | by the way he earns at least $22 million a year plus stock and says he's committed. to quote "strengthening our culture" what, does that mean? dov. seidman is ceo of the business. ethics. consulting firm lrn and he joins us now from new york mr seidman thanks so much, for being with | By the way he earns, at least $22 million a year plus; stock and says he's committed to quote "strengthening our culture" What. does that mean? Dov, Seidman is CEO of the business ethics, consulting firm LRN And he joins us now from New York. Mr Seidman thanks so much for being with | by the way, he earns at least $22 million a year plus stock and says he's committed to, quote, "strengthening our culture." what does that mean? dov seidman is ceo of the business ethics consulting firm lrn. and he joins us now from new york. mr. seidman, thanks so much for being with us. |
Scott, it's good to speak with you. | scott it's good to. speak with | Scott it's good to speak; with | scott, it's good to speak with you. |
Let me ask a question that I think might be on the minds of a lot of people. Senator Warren pointed out that John Stumpf made over $200 million during the years of the scandal. Would it demonstrate his sincerity to stockholders and employees and the bank's customers and make a point for others if he resigned? | let me ask a question that i. think might be on the minds of a lot of people senator warren pointed out that john stumpf made over $200 million during the years of. the, scandal would it, demonstrate his sincerity. to stockholders and employees and the bank's customers and make a point for others if he | Let me. ask a question that I think might be on the minds of a lot of people, Senator Warren pointed out that John Stumpf made over, $200 million during the, years, of the scandal Would it demonstrate his sincerity to. stockholders and employees and the bank's customers and make. a point for. others if he | let me ask a question that i think might be on the minds of a lot of people. senator warren pointed out that john stumpf made over $200 million during the years of the scandal. would it demonstrate his sincerity to stockholders and employees and the bank's customers and make a point for others if he resigned? |
You know, we live in a time where, as we see in our political climate - I think there's a lot of protest. And there's a lot of outrage. And we tend to go right from outrage to fire that person. He must resign. Where's my apology? | you know. we live in a time where as we see in our political climate - i think there's a lot of protest and there's a lot of. outrage and we tend, to go right from outrage to fire that person he; must resign where's, my | You know we live in, a time where as. we see, in our political climate - I. think there's a lot of protest And there's a lot of outrage And we tend to go right from outrage to fire that person He must resign, Where's my | you know, we live in a time where, as we see in our political climate - i think there's a lot of protest. and there's a lot of outrage. and we tend to go right from outrage to fire that person. he must resign. where's my apology? |
And I think when we deal with such a crisis, such a betrayal of trust - at least, that's how it seems, and that's how it's being experienced - I would begin with a deep apology. But when we tell a child, just say you're sorry, we're teaching the child to say the words and put the problem behind them. | and i think when we deal with such a crisis, such a betrayal of trust - at, least that's how it seems and that's how, it's being experienced - i, would begin, with a deep apology but when we tell a child just say you're sorry we're teaching the child, to say the words and put the problem behind | And I think when we. deal. with such a. crisis such a betrayal, of trust - at least that's how it seems and that's. how it's being experienced - I would begin with. a deep apology But when we tell a child just say you're sorry we're teaching the child to say the words and put the problem. behind, | and i think when we deal with such a crisis, such a betrayal of trust - at least, that's how it seems, and that's how it's being experienced - i would begin with a deep apology. but when we tell a child, just say you're sorry, we're teaching the child to say the words and put the problem behind them. |
I think apologies that really matter are the ones that are followed with a commitment to making amends and architecting and inspiring the kind of systems of culture, of leadership that allow the institution to not just heal but find new ways to thrive. | i think. apologies that really, matter are the ones that are followed with a commitment to making amends and architecting and inspiring the kind of. systems of culture of leadership that allow the institution to not just heal but find new; ways to | I think apologies, that really matter, are. the ones; that are followed. with a commitment to making amends and architecting and inspiring the kind of systems of culture of leadership that allow the. institution to not, just heal but find new ways to | i think apologies that really matter are the ones that are followed with a commitment to making amends and architecting and inspiring the kind of systems of culture, of leadership that allow the institution to not just heal but find new ways to thrive. |
What does that translate to in this case? Can a Wells Fargo customer be forgiven for not trusting their bank statement when they get it now? | what does that translate to in this case? can a wells fargo customer be forgiven for. not trusting, their bank, statement when they get it | What does that translate, to in. this case? Can a Wells Fargo customer be. forgiven for not trusting their bank statement when they get, it | what does that translate to in this case? can a wells fargo customer be forgiven for not trusting their bank statement when they get it now? |
I think trust in authority, trust in institutions is at an all-time low. And the way forward is to recognize that we have such a rupture in trust that we need to do those things that build trust. And if you can architect a way of doing that that is profitable in today's world, then all the power to you. And I think tha... | i; think trust in authority trust in institutions is at an all-time low and the way forward is to recognize that we have such a rupture. in trust that we need; to do those things that build trust and if you can architect a way of doing that that is profitable in today's, world then all the power to you and i, think tha... | I think trust in authority trust in institutions is at an all-time low, And the way forward is to recognize that we. have such. a rupture, in trust that we need to do those. things. that build trust And, if you, can architect. a way of; doing that that is profitable in today's world then all the power to you And I thin... | i think trust in authority, trust in institutions is at an all-time low. and the way forward is to recognize that we have such a rupture in trust that we need to do those things that build trust. and if you can architect a way of doing that that is profitable in today's world, then all the power to you. and i think tha... |
But I get back to this point. Wouldn't it demonstrate that the company is really sincere if top executives resigned? | but i get back to this point, wouldn't it demonstrate that the, company is really. sincere if top executives | But I get back to this point Wouldn't it demonstrate that the company is really sincere; if top executives; | but i get back to this point. wouldn't it demonstrate that the company is really sincere if top executives resigned? |
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Well, in terms of where he makes them stronger, it is, you know, the question that lingers there about Senator Obama, and we see it in poll after poll. If he has a weakness, it's that people think he's such a newcomer. They don't know a lot about him. They're not sure that his time in the Illinois State House, just a f... | well, in terms of where he makes them stronger. it is. you know the question that, lingers there about senator obama, and we see it in poll, after poll if he has a weakness it's that people think he's such a newcomer they don't know. a lot about him they're not. sure that his time in the illinois state house; just, a f... | Well in terms of where he makes them stronger it is you know the question that lingers there about Senator Obama and we see it in poll after poll If he has a weakness it's that people think he's such a newcomer They don't. know a lot about him They're not sure that his time in the Illinois State House just a few blocks... | well, in terms of where he makes them stronger, it is, you know, the question that lingers there about senator obama, and we see it in poll after poll. if he has a weakness, it's that people think he's such a newcomer. they don't know a lot about him. they're not sure that his time in the illinois state house, just a f... |
Senator Biden, of course, six terms in the Senate, a foreign policy expert, very highly regarded in that area. He provides the balance. What we don't know is what holes there (unintelligible) are to fill. I mean, he does not bring, you know, real connections to a big swing state like Ohio or Michigan or Pennsylvania or... | senator biden of course six terms in, the senate a foreign policy expert. very highly regarded in that area he provides, the balance what we don't know is what holes there (unintelligible) are to fill i mean he does not bring you know. real. connections to a big swing state, like ohio or michigan or pennsylvania or flo... | Senator Biden of course six terms, in the Senate a foreign policy expert very highly regarded in that area He. provides the balance What we don't know is what. holes there (unintelligible) are to. fill I. mean he, does not bring you; know real connections, to a big swing state like Ohio or Michigan or Pennsylvania or F... | senator biden, of course, six terms in the senate, a foreign policy expert, very highly regarded in that area. he provides the balance. what we don't know is what holes there (unintelligible) are to fill. i mean, he does not bring, you know, real connections to a big swing state like ohio or michigan or pennsylvania or... |
Almost half the delegates meeting in Denver, whom you will meet later, were sent there pledged to Senator Hillary Clinton. What does this do to reconcile their affection for the ticket? | almost half the. delegates meeting in denver whom. you will meet later were sent there pledged to senator, hillary clinton what does this do to reconcile their affection for the | Almost half the delegates meeting. in Denver whom you will meet later were sent there pledged to Senator Hillary Clinton What does this do to reconcile their affection for the | almost half the delegates meeting in denver, whom you will meet later, were sent there pledged to senator hillary clinton. what does this do to reconcile their affection for the ticket? |
That is another thing that we just don't know at this point. I mean, in the past few days, Senator Clinton has been out there campaigning for Senator Obama, doing events. And, you know, it's fair to say that the response she gets when she urges them to support the ticket and support Senator Obama is not always as stron... | that is another thing that we just don't know at. this point i mean in the past few. days senator clinton has been out there campaigning for senator obama, doing events and you know it's fair to say that the response she gets. when she urges, them to support the ticket and support senator obama is not; always as strong... | That; is another thing that we just don't know at. this point I mean in the past few days Senator, Clinton has. been out there campaigning for. Senator Obama doing, events And you know it's fair to say that the, response she gets when. she urges them to support the ticket, and support Senator, Obama is not always as st... | that is another thing that we just don't know at this point. i mean, in the past few days, senator clinton has been out there campaigning for senator obama, doing events. and, you know, it's fair to say that the response she gets when she urges them to support the ticket and support senator obama is not always as stron... |
Now, Senator Biden is the kind of guy who would have a lot of natural appeal with those voters. But, you know, it's still going to take time, as the Obama campaign says, and as Senator Clinton herself says, for a lot of these folks to come around. Some are still licking their wounds after her loss. | now senator biden is the kind of guy, who would have a lot of natural appeal with those voters but you know it's still going to take time as the obama campaign says and as senator clinton herself says for a lot of these folks to come around some are still licking their wounds after her | Now Senator Biden is the kind, of guy who would have a lot of, natural appeal with those voters But you know it's still going to take, time as the Obama campaign says and as Senator Clinton herself says for a lot of these folks to come around Some are still licking; their wounds after her | now, senator biden is the kind of guy who would have a lot of natural appeal with those voters. but, you know, it's still going to take time, as the obama campaign says, and as senator clinton herself says, for a lot of these folks to come around. some are still licking their wounds after her loss. |
NPR's Don Gonyea at the grounds of the State Capitol - the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois. You know, they invented the corndog there, Don. | npr's, don gonyea at the, grounds of; the state capitol - the old, state, capitol in springfield illinois you know they invented, the corndog there | NPR's. Don Gonyea at the grounds, of the State Capitol - the. Old State Capitol in Springfield Illinois You know they invented the corndog there | npr's don gonyea at the grounds of the state capitol - the old state capitol in springfield, illinois. you know, they invented the corndog there, don. |
I'll try to have one, just for you. | i'll try to, have one just for | I'll, try to have one just for | i'll try to have one, just for you. |
Of all the tough political jobs in the world, Theresa May's could rank right up there. Britain's new prime minister came to power in the wake of Britain's decision to leave the European Union. Now she has her work cut out for her to disentangle the U.K. from the EU while minimizing the damage to the British economy, wh... | of all, the tough political jobs in the world theresa may's could, rank. right up there. britain's new prime minister came to power in the wake of britain's decision, to leave the european union now she has her work, cut out for her to. disentangle, the u.k from the eu while minimizing the damage to the british economy... | Of all the tough political jobs in the world Theresa May's could. rank right up there Britain's new prime minister came to power in the wake of Britain's decision to leave the European Union Now she has her work cut out for, her to disentangle the U.K from the EU while minimizing the damage to the, British economy whic... | of all the tough political jobs in the world, theresa may's could rank right up there. britain's new prime minister came to power in the wake of britain's decision to leave the european union. now she has her work cut out for her to disentangle the u.k. from the eu while minimizing the damage to the british economy, wh... |
Here on the streets of the British capital, many feel the future of the United Kingdom rests on May's performance. | here on the streets of the, british capital many feel the future of the united kingdom rests on may's | Here on the streets, of the British capital many feel the future of the United Kingdom rests on May's | here on the streets of the british capital, many feel the future of the united kingdom rests on may's performance. |
It's going to be the making or the breaking of this country. | it's going to be the making or the breaking of this | It's going to be the. making or the breaking of, this | it's going to be the making or the breaking of this country. |
Sofia Pisanello, a British-Iranian who works in public policy here, says May faces a tricky balancing act. | sofia pisanello a british-iranian who works. in public policy here says. may; faces a tricky balancing | Sofia Pisanello a British-Iranian who works in public policy here, says May faces a tricky balancing | sofia pisanello, a british-iranian who works in public policy here, says may faces a tricky balancing act. |
She's going to have to help the country accept the recession. She's going to try and keep unity in this country, which is not a given. | she's going to have to help, the country accept the recession she's going to try and keep unity in this country which is not a | She's going, to have, to help the country accept the recession She's going to try and keep unity in this country which is, not a | she's going to have to help the country accept the recession. she's going to try and keep unity in this country, which is not a given. |
Like many Londoners, Daniel Cochrane, who was strolling nearby, has confidence in May. | like many londoners daniel cochrane who was strolling nearby has confidence in | Like many, Londoners Daniel Cochrane who was strolling nearby has confidence, in | like many londoners, daniel cochrane, who was strolling nearby, has confidence in may. |
She's got great diplomatic skills. I think she's got a lot of respect within Europe. | she's got great, diplomatic skills i think she's got a lot of respect within | She's got, great diplomatic skills I think she's, got a lot of respect within | she's got great diplomatic skills. i think she's got a lot of respect within europe. |
With that said, would Cochrane be willing to take on a job like hers? | with that said would cochrane be. willing to take on a job like | With that. said would Cochrane be willing to take, on a job like | with that said, would cochrane be willing to take on a job like hers? |
With Brexit? No way (laughter). No way. | with. brexit? no way (laughter). no | With Brexit? No way (laughter). No | with brexit? no way (laughter). no way. |
On the scale of zero to 10, 11. | on the scale of zero to | On the scale of zero to | on the scale of zero to 10, 11. |
This is Mujtaba Rahman, and this is his rating of the challenges May faces. Rahman works for Eurasia Group, an international political and investment consultancy. He says many Brexit voters are adamant that May control immigration and U.K. payments to the EU and rid British courts of European influence. | this is mujtaba rahman and this is. his rating. of the. challenges may, faces rahman works for eurasia group, an international political and investment consultancy he says, many; brexit voters are adamant that may control. immigration and u.k payments to the eu and rid british courts of european | This is; Mujtaba Rahman and this is his rating of the, challenges May faces Rahman works for Eurasia, Group an international political and investment, consultancy He says many Brexit voters are adamant that. May control, immigration and U.K payments to the EU and rid British courts of European | this is mujtaba rahman, and this is his rating of the challenges may faces. rahman works for eurasia group, an international political and investment consultancy. he says many brexit voters are adamant that may control immigration and u.k. payments to the eu and rid british courts of european influence. |
Now, the problem is if Theresa May strikes a deal respecting those three red lines, that will immediately limit the U.K.'s access to the European Free Trade Area and the single market, which will have a big negative impact on the U.K. economy. So the essential trade-off is in order to control immigration, are we willin... | now the problem is if theresa, may strikes a deal respecting those three red lines that will immediately limit the u.k's access to the european. free trade area and the single market which will have a, big, negative impact on the u.k economy so the essential trade-off is in. order to control immigration are we willing ... | Now the problem is if Theresa May strikes a deal respecting those three red lines that. will immediately limit the. U.K's access to the European Free Trade Area and the single market which will have a big negative impact on the U.K economy So the essential trade-off is. in order to control immigration are we willing to... | now, the problem is if theresa may strikes a deal respecting those three red lines, that will immediately limit the u.k.'s access to the european free trade area and the single market, which will have a big negative impact on the u.k. economy. so the essential trade-off is in order to control immigration, are we willin... |
In fact, Britain already has. An actual Brexit is years away, but the vote to leave the EU has already depressed housing prices, and the pound remains weighed down against the dollar. Rahman says in exchange for limits on immigration, May will be forced to sacrifice the access of certain U.K. sectors to the European ma... | in fact britain already has an actual, brexit; is years away but the vote to leave the eu has already depressed housing prices and the pound remains weighed down against the dollar rahman says in exchange for limits on immigration may will be forced to sacrifice. the access of certain, u.k sectors to; the european mark... | In fact Britain already has. An actual Brexit is years away but the vote to leave the EU has already depressed housing prices and the pound remains weighed, down against the dollar Rahman says in exchange for limits on immigration May will be forced to sacrifice the access of certain U.K sectors to, the European market... | in fact, britain already has. an actual brexit is years away, but the vote to leave the eu has already depressed housing prices, and the pound remains weighed down against the dollar. rahman says in exchange for limits on immigration, may will be forced to sacrifice the access of certain u.k. sectors to the european ma... |
I think it's opportunistic on some level. I think a number of countries are looking to extract domestic economic gain from Brexit. And part of that will be assuming a very tough negotiating stance. | i think it's opportunistic on some; level i think a. number of countries. are, looking to, extract domestic economic gain from brexit and part of that will be, assuming a very tough negotiating, | I think it's, opportunistic on some level I think a number of countries. are looking to extract domestic economic gain. from Brexit And part of that will be assuming a very tough negotiating | i think it's opportunistic on some level. i think a number of countries are looking to extract domestic economic gain from brexit. and part of that will be assuming a very tough negotiating stance. |
Rahman thinks May will have an easier time in other areas, such as defending the U.K.'s auto sector. After all, European car companies import into the U.K. market and don't want to get hit with retaliatory tariffs. Getting all this right, Rahman says, is crucial. | rahman thinks may. will. have an easier time in, other areas such as defending the u.k's auto sector after all european car companies import into the u.k. market and don't want to get. hit with retaliatory tariffs getting all this right rahman says is | Rahman thinks May will have an easier time in. other areas such as defending the U.K's auto, sector After all European car companies import into the U.K market and don't want to get. hit with retaliatory tariffs Getting all this right, Rahman says is | rahman thinks may will have an easier time in other areas, such as defending the u.k.'s auto sector. after all, european car companies import into the u.k. market and don't want to get hit with retaliatory tariffs. getting all this right, rahman says, is crucial. |
The stakes are huge for the U.K. but also for the rest of Europe. For the U.K., you're talking about the integrity of the union. I mean, a bad deal with the rest of Europe will absolutely inspire secessionist forces, certainly in Scotland. Even if the negotiation is a good one, The U.K. will suffer. | the stakes are huge for the, u.k but, also for the rest of europe for, the u.k., you're talking about the integrity of, the union i mean a bad deal, with the rest of europe will absolutely inspire secessionist forces certainly in scotland even if the negotiation is a good one the u.k. will | The stakes are huge for the U.K but also for the rest of Europe For the U.K., you're talking about the, integrity of the union I mean a bad deal. with the rest of Europe will absolutely. inspire secessionist. forces certainly in Scotland Even if the negotiation is a good one The U.K will | the stakes are huge for the u.k. but also for the rest of europe. for the u.k., you're talking about the integrity of the union. i mean, a bad deal with the rest of europe will absolutely inspire secessionist forces, certainly in scotland. even if the negotiation is a good one, the u.k. will suffer. |
Gina Miller, who runs an investment management company here, hopes it never comes to this. Miller is lead plaintiff in a suit to force a parliamentary debate before the government formally moves the split from the EU next year. | gina miller who. runs an investment management company here hopes it never comes; to this miller is lead plaintiff in. a. suit to, force a parliamentary debate before the government formally moves the split from the eu next | Gina Miller. who runs an investment management company, here hopes it never comes to this; Miller is lead plaintiff in a suit to force a parliamentary debate before the. government; formally, moves the split from. the EU next | gina miller, who runs an investment management company here, hopes it never comes to this. miller is lead plaintiff in a suit to force a parliamentary debate before the government formally moves the split from the eu next year. |
My stance was always - remain, reform and review our relationship with the EU. And I believe we still have the opportunity to do that. It's about having a different relationship, not walking away. | my stance was always - remain reform. and review our relationship, with the eu and i believe we still have the opportunity to do that it's. about having a different relationship not. walking, | My stance was always - remain reform and, review our relationship with the EU And I believe, we, still have the opportunity to; do that It's about having a different relationship not walking. | my stance was always - remain, reform and review our relationship with the eu. and i believe we still have the opportunity to do that. it's about having a different relationship, not walking away. |
The vote to leave was about far more than the EU. People in much of England felt left behind economically and ignored by politicians in London. | the. vote to leave was about far more than the eu people in much of england felt left behind economically and ignored by politicians in | The vote to; leave was about far more than the EU People in much of England. felt left behind economically and. ignored by politicians in | the vote to leave was about far more than the eu. people in much of england felt left behind economically and ignored by politicians in london. |
What our prime minister has to do is start addressing those issues that are plaguing the U.K. And by doing so, I think she will begin to change people's minds. And they will begin to realize that the EU is not all bad. | what our. prime minister has to do is start addressing those issues that are plaguing the u.k and by doing so i think she will begin to change people's minds and they will begin to realize that. the eu is not, all | What our prime minister has to do is start addressing. those, issues that are plaguing the U.K And by doing so I think she, will begin to change people's minds And they will begin to realize that the EU is. not all | what our prime minister has to do is start addressing those issues that are plaguing the u.k. and by doing so, i think she will begin to change people's minds. and they will begin to realize that the eu is not all bad. |
In the short run, it may be too late for that. Miller's suit is due to be heard in October, and Parliament would be loathed to challenge the results of a popular referendum. In the long run, Miller, like others, is putting her faith in May. | in the short run it may be too late for that miller's suit is due to be heard in october and parliament would, be loathed to challenge the results of a popular referendum in the long run miller, like others is putting, her faith in | In the short run it may be too late. for that Miller's suit is due to be; heard, in October and Parliament would be loathed, to challenge the results of a popular referendum In the long run Miller like others is putting her faith in | in the short run, it may be too late for that. miller's suit is due to be heard in october, and parliament would be loathed to challenge the results of a popular referendum. in the long run, miller, like others, is putting her faith in may. |
...That's the law, and they have to live with the consequences of it. | ...that's the law and they have to, live with the consequences of | ...That's the. law and they have to live, with the consequences of | ...that's the law, and they have to live with the consequences of it. |
Well, I came at it from more of a population, ecology and conservation angle and I was really interested in finding new ways to see how recent changes to the landscape have affected animal populations. So, with the cougars we thought, well, the virus may tell us something about whether cougars are currently able to mov... | well. i came at it. from more of a population ecology and conservation angle and i was really interested in finding new ways to see how recent changes to the landscape have affected animal populations so with the cougars we thought well the virus, may tell us something about whether cougars are currently able to, move ... | Well I came at it from more of a population. ecology and conservation angle and. I was really interested in finding new ways to see how recent changes to the, landscape have affected animal populations So with the cougars we thought well the virus may tell us something. about whether cougars are currently able to move ... | well, i came at it from more of a population, ecology and conservation angle and i was really interested in finding new ways to see how recent changes to the landscape have affected animal populations. so, with the cougars we thought, well, the virus may tell us something about whether cougars are currently able to mov... |
What kind of changes are we talking about? | what kind of changes are we talking. | What kind, of changes are we talking | what kind of changes are we talking about? |
Well, for example it's, you know, highways or developments or any of those changes to the landscape that may impede movements of animals, and cougars were just the system that we were working on, but we thought that in general this idea could be applied to many other taxa as well. We just chose cougars because we knew ... | well for example it's you, know highways or developments or any of those changes to the landscape; that may impede movements of animals and cougars were just. the system that we were working on but we thought that in general this idea could be applied. to many. other taxa as well we just chose cougars because we knew t... | Well for example it's you know highways or developments or any of those changes to the landscape that may impede movements of animals and cougars were just the system that we were working on but we thought, that. in. general this. idea could be applied. to many other taxa as well We just chose cougars because we knew t... | well, for example it's, you know, highways or developments or any of those changes to the landscape that may impede movements of animals, and cougars were just the system that we were working on, but we thought that in general this idea could be applied to many other taxa as well. we just chose cougars because we knew ... |
Because just looking at the map of the range, we're talking about western Montana and up into British, well, what's north in Canada? | because just looking at the map of. the range we're; talking about western. montana and up into british well what's north in | Because, just looking at the map of the range we're talking about western; Montana and up into British well what's north in | because just looking at the map of the range, we're talking about western montana and up into british, well, what's north in canada? |
Alberta, British Columbia. | alberta british | Alberta British | alberta, british columbia. |
Alberta, British Columbia. I mean, these are not areas that are heavily populated. You're seeing enough changes to actually see changes in the virus pattern in the cougars even in these sparsely populated regions? | alberta british columbia i, mean these are not areas that. are heavily, populated you're seeing enough changes to actually see changes. in the virus pattern in the cougars even in these sparsely populated | Alberta British Columbia I mean these are not areas that are heavily populated You're seeing enough changes, to actually see changes in the virus pattern. in the cougars even in these sparsely populated | alberta, british columbia. i mean, these are not areas that are heavily populated. you're seeing enough changes to actually see changes in the virus pattern in the cougars even in these sparsely populated regions? |
Well, I have to maybe step back here for a minute because this is sort of the application that this tool could have in the future. | well i have to maybe step back here for a minute, because this is. sort of the application that this tool could have in. the | Well I. have to maybe step; back here for a minute because this. is sort of the application that this tool could, have, in the | well, i have to maybe step back here for a minute because this is sort of the application that this tool could have in the future. |
Oh, I see. | oh i | Oh I | oh, i see. |
Right now we're not seeing that the cougar populations are fragmented. Actually we see that they're moving quite a bit, but even though they do, we see that the viruses haven't quite taken on a distribution that it could have, given how mobile cougars are. So that's actually an important aspect of our paper is that the... | right now we're, not seeing that the cougar. populations are fragmented actually we see that they're moving quite a bit but even though they do we see that the viruses haven't quite; taken on a. distribution; that it could have given, how mobile cougars, are so that's actually an important aspect of our paper is; that ... | Right now we're not seeing. that the cougar populations are fragmented Actually we see that they're moving quite a bit but even; though they do we. see that the viruses haven't quite taken on a distribution that it could, have given how mobile cougars are So that's actually an important aspect of our paper is, that the... | right now we're not seeing that the cougar populations are fragmented. actually we see that they're moving quite a bit, but even though they do, we see that the viruses haven't quite taken on a distribution that it could have, given how mobile cougars are. so that's actually an important aspect of our paper is that the... |
And I guess I should ask, I mean, Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, that sounds like the AIDS virus to cats. Is it causing illness in the cats? Do all of them have it? | and i guess i should ask; i, mean; feline immunodeficiency. virus that sounds like the aids virus. to cats. is. it causing illness in the cats? do all of them have | And I guess I should ask I mean Feline Immunodeficiency Virus that sounds. like the AIDS virus to cats Is it causing. illness in the cats? Do all of them. have | and i guess i should ask, i mean, feline immunodeficiency virus, that sounds like the aids virus to cats. is it causing illness in the cats? do all of them have it? |
Yeah, that's a very good question. The name comes actually, FIV was first found in domestic cats and it does cause a form of feline AIDS in domestic cat species, but in wild cats we see related forms that are specific to individual cat species. So, there's a cougar FIV, there's an African lion FIV and in those species ... | yeah that's a very good question, the name comes. actually fiv was first found in domestic cats and it does. cause a form, of feline aids, in domestic cat species but. in wild cats we see. related forms that are specific, to individual cat species so there's a, cougar fiv there's an african lion fiv and in those specie... | Yeah that's a very good question The name comes actually FIV was first found in domestic cats and it does cause a form of feline AIDS in domestic cat species but in wild cats we see related forms that are specific to individual cat species So there's a cougar FIV, there's. an African lion FIV and in those species we do... | yeah, that's a very good question. the name comes actually, fiv was first found in domestic cats and it does cause a form of feline aids in domestic cat species, but in wild cats we see related forms that are specific to individual cat species. so, there's a cougar fiv, there's an african lion fiv and in those species ... |
So, I guess I'm still a little unclear, if the virus is changing clearly, but I mean, all you really know when you look at two different strains of the viruses, well, one's different from another. So, how do you actually use that to track the animal? How does the virus change tell you something about where the animal's... | so i guess i'm still a little unclear if the virus is changing clearly. but i mean, all you really know when, you look at two different strains of the viruses well one's different from another so how do you actually. use that to track, the animal? how does the virus change tell. you something about where, the, animal's... | So I guess I'm still a little unclear if the virus is changing clearly but I mean all you really know when you look at two different strains of the viruses well one's different from another So how do you actually use that to, track the animal? How does the virus change. tell you something about where the animal's | so, i guess i'm still a little unclear, if the virus is changing clearly, but i mean, all you really know when you look at two different strains of the viruses, well, one's different from another. so, how do you actually use that to track the animal? how does the virus change tell you something about where the animal's... |
Well, it doesn't tell us where the individual animal has been but we can look at the distribution of different viral, we don't call them strains, we call them lineages, but it's genetically distinct types of the virus and we can use genetics to distinguish those. And if we look at the distribution, then individual viru... | well it doesn't tell us where the; individual, animal has been but we can look at the distribution, of different viral, we don't call them strains we call them lineages but it's genetically, distinct types of the. virus and we can use genetics to distinguish those and if we look at the distribution then individual viru... | Well it doesn't tell us where the individual animal has been but we, can look at. the distribution of different viral we, don't call them. strains we call them lineages but. it's. genetically distinct types of, the virus and we can, use genetics to distinguish those And if we look at the distribution then, individual v... | well, it doesn't tell us where the individual animal has been but we can look at the distribution of different viral, we don't call them strains, we call them lineages, but it's genetically distinct types of the virus and we can use genetics to distinguish those. and if we look at the distribution, then individual viru... |
If the cougars move around so much why don't their viruses? So, we think that this is really related to cougars being rare in the recent past where they probably survived in certain refugea and a lot of the viruses disappeared, they became extinct from a lot of areas, but where the viruses survived they were able to ex... | if the cougars move, around, so much why don't their viruses? so we think that. this is really related to cougars being rare in the, recent, past where they probably survived in certain refugea and a lot of the viruses disappeared they became extinct from a lot of areas but where the viruses survived they were able to ... | If the cougars move around, so much why don't their viruses? So we think that this is really related to cougars being rare in the recent past where. they probably survived. in certain refugea and a lot of the viruses disappeared they became extinct from a lot of areas but where the; viruses survived they were, able to ... | if the cougars move around so much why don't their viruses? so, we think that this is really related to cougars being rare in the recent past where they probably survived in certain refugea and a lot of the viruses disappeared, they became extinct from a lot of areas, but where the viruses survived they were able to ex... |
I got it. Okay, let's take a call now and let's go to Matthew in Washington, D.C. Matthew, welcome to the program. | i got it okay let's take a call now and let's go to matthew in washington d.c matthew welcome to the. | I got it Okay let's, take a call now and let's go to Matthew in Washington D.C Matthew welcome to the, | i got it. okay, let's take a call now and let's go to matthew in washington, d.c. matthew, welcome to the program. |
Hello. Thank you. I was wondering what your, I might have missed this, but I was wondering what your methods for obtaining strains of a virus are and how this is more efficient than just simply tracking the cats themselves? | hello thank you i was. wondering what, your i might have missed this but i was wondering what your methods for, obtaining strains of a virus are and how this is more efficient than, just simply tracking the cats | Hello Thank you I, was wondering what your I might have missed this but I was wondering what your methods for obtaining strains, of a virus are and how this is more; efficient than just simply tracking the. cats | hello. thank you. i was wondering what your, i might have missed this, but i was wondering what your methods for obtaining strains of a virus are and how this is more efficient than just simply tracking the cats themselves? |
Okay. Yeah, so we used genetics. We basically, we sequenced a fairly big part of the virus genome and we use the virus sequences to basically create a family tree of all the cougar viruses we found in the area. And then within this tree, we found eight groups that we could readily distinguish, and then we looked at the... | okay yeah so we used genetics we basically we sequenced; a fairly big part of the virus genome and. we use the virus sequences to basically create a family tree of all the. cougar viruses we found in the area, and then within this tree we found eight groups that we. could readily distinguish and then we looked at the d... | Okay Yeah, so we used genetics We basically we, sequenced. a fairly big part of the virus genome and we use the virus sequences to basically create a family tree of all the cougar viruses we found in, the area And then within this tree we, found; eight groups; that we could readily distinguish and then we looked. at th... | okay. yeah, so we used genetics. we basically, we sequenced a fairly big part of the virus genome and we use the virus sequences to basically create a family tree of all the cougar viruses we found in the area. and then within this tree, we found eight groups that we could readily distinguish, and then we looked at the... |
Okay. Now the question about wouldn't that tell us compared to marking the animal itself, those studies exist and of course we can do that. We could put radio collars on them but you're very limited. I mean, it's an expensive technique and usually you can only do it in a certain area, because you have to go around and ... | okay now the question about wouldn't that tell us compared, to marking the animal itself. those. studies exist and of course we can do that we could put, radio collars. on them but you're very limited i mean it's an expensive technique and usually you can only do it in, a certain area because you have to go around and ... | Okay Now the question about, wouldn't that tell us compared to marking the animal itself those studies, exist. and of course we can do that We; could put radio collars on. them but you're very limited I mean it's an expensive technique and usually you can only. do it in a certain, area because you have to go around and... | okay. now the question about wouldn't that tell us compared to marking the animal itself, those studies exist and of course we can do that. we could put radio collars on them but you're very limited. i mean, it's an expensive technique and usually you can only do it in a certain area, because you have to go around and ... |
There's alternatives, which are GPS collars but those are very expensive and you're even more limited to the number of animals that you can mark. | there's alternatives, which are gps collars but. those are very expensive and you're even more limited, to the number of animals, that you, can | There's alternatives which are GPS, collars but those, are very expensive and you're even more limited to the number of animals that you can, | there's alternatives, which are gps collars but those are very expensive and you're even more limited to the number of animals that you can mark. |
Yeah, I did not get out in the field myself. We had a lot of people helping us with this. We had researchers that had ongoing study projects in Yellowstone and other parts of Montana and south of there. So we got a lot of samples from live cougars from them and those are usually blood samples. | yeah i did, not, get out in the field myself we had a lot of people helping us with this we had researchers that had ongoing study projects in yellowstone and other parts of montana and south of there so we got a lot of samples from live cougars from them and those are usually blood | Yeah I did not get out in the field myself, We had a lot of. people helping us with, this We had researchers that had ongoing study projects in Yellowstone and other parts of Montana and south of there So we got a lot of samples from live cougars from them and those are. usually blood | yeah, i did not get out in the field myself. we had a lot of people helping us with this. we had researchers that had ongoing study projects in yellowstone and other parts of montana and south of there. so we got a lot of samples from live cougars from them and those are usually blood samples. |
And then we worked also with hunters in Helmsman, so cougars are hunted in Montana and actually the entire area that we sampled. And so we worked a lot with those people that kill cougars and told them which kinds of samples to collect. And there's certain types of tissue that we could use and we also gave them a certa... | and then we worked also with hunters in helmsman so cougars are hunted in montana and actually. the. entire area that we sampled and so we worked a, lot with. those people that kill cougars and told them, which kinds of samples to collect and there's certain types of tissue, that we could use and we also gave them a ce... | And then we worked also with hunters in Helmsman so cougars are hunted in Montana and. actually the entire area that we sampled And so we worked a lot with those people that kill cougars. and told them which kinds of samples to collect And, there's certain types of tissue that. we could use and we also gave them a cert... | and then we worked also with hunters in helmsman, so cougars are hunted in montana and actually the entire area that we sampled. and so we worked a lot with those people that kill cougars and told them which kinds of samples to collect. and there's certain types of tissue that we could use and we also gave them a certa... |
Sounds to me a lot safer to sit in a lab than to cozy up to a cougar. | sounds to me a lot safer to sit in a lab than to, cozy up to a | Sounds to me a lot. safer to sit in a lab than to cozy up, to a | sounds to me a lot safer to sit in a lab than to cozy up to a cougar. |
Yeah, I miss that aspect of the work sometimes but actually I did go out in the field with people and that was very exciting. It is a lot of work, so I really couldn't have done both, I think, so. | yeah i miss that aspect of the. work sometimes but. actually i, did go out in the field with, people and that was very exciting it is a lot of work so i really couldn't have done both i think | Yeah I miss that aspect of the work sometimes but actually I did go out in the field with people and that was very exciting It is a lot of work. so I really couldn't have done both I think | yeah, i miss that aspect of the work sometimes but actually i did go out in the field with people and that was very exciting. it is a lot of work, so i really couldn't have done both, i think, so. |
Yeah, so do you see any future application for this for wildlife management? | yeah so do you see any future application for this for wildlife | Yeah so do you see any future application, for this for wildlife | yeah, so do you see any future application for this for wildlife management? |
Well, yeah, we definitely think that this could be applied to other cats and that it could be, it's certainly a complimentary tool. It won't replace any of the tools that we have available but it may be a complimentary tool in to look at issues like habitat fragmentation and connectivity. But I think that the limiting ... | well yeah we definitely think that this could be applied to other cats and, that, it could be it's certainly a complimentary tool it won't replace any of the. tools that we have, available; but it may, be a, complimentary tool, in to look at issues like habitat. fragmentation and connectivity but i think that the limit... | Well yeah we definitely think that this could be applied to other cats and that it could be it's certainly a complimentary tool It won't replace any of the tools that we have, available but it may be a complimentary tool in to look, at issues like habitat, fragmentation and connectivity But I think that the limiting fa... | well, yeah, we definitely think that this could be applied to other cats and that it could be, it's certainly a complimentary tool. it won't replace any of the tools that we have available but it may be a complimentary tool in to look at issues like habitat fragmentation and connectivity. but i think that the limiting ... |
So we really have to look harder to find other infectious organisms that we could use in this context. But I also think the bigger picture here is that we really don't know very much about how viruses and microbes are transmitted, how they are moving through animal populations in the wild. And that goes beyond just usi... | so we really have to look harder to find other infectious; organisms that we could use in this context but i. also think the bigger picture here is that we really don't know very much about how. viruses and microbes are transmitted how they are moving through animal populations in the wild and that goes beyond just usi... | So we really. have to look, harder to find other infectious. organisms that we could use in, this context But I also. think the bigger picture here. is that we really don't know very much about how viruses and microbes are transmitted how they are moving through animal, populations in the wild And. that goes beyond jus... | so we really have to look harder to find other infectious organisms that we could use in this context. but i also think the bigger picture here is that we really don't know very much about how viruses and microbes are transmitted, how they are moving through animal populations in the wild. and that goes beyond just usi... |
But if you think of you know those viruses that are actually a public health concern, we're also really interested in how do those viruses spread and how can we learn about the patterns of spread and over what time scale, over what spatial scales does the spread occur. | but if you think of you know those viruses that are actually a public health concern we're also really interested in; how. do those viruses spread and how can we learn about the patterns of spread, and over. what time scale. over what spatial scales does the, spread | But if you think of you know. those viruses that are actually a public. health concern we're also really interested in how do those viruses spread and how can we learn about the patterns, of spread and over what time scale over what spatial scales, does the spread | but if you think of you know those viruses that are actually a public health concern, we're also really interested in how do those viruses spread and how can we learn about the patterns of spread and over what time scale, over what spatial scales does the spread occur. |
Yeah, I'm just quickly, do we know how the virus spreads from cougar to cougar? | yeah i'm just quickly, do we know, how the virus spreads from cougar to | Yeah I'm just, quickly do we know how the virus spreads from cougar to | yeah, i'm just quickly, do we know how the virus spreads from cougar to cougar? |
Yeah, we do and it's important to know that it requires direct contact between cougars. So we know that mothers can pass it on to the offspring and we also know that they can pass it through contact. Probably biting, potentially mating but they have to be in close contact. I mean we all know that you can only transmit ... | yeah we do and it's important to know that it requires direct contact between cougars so we know that mothers can pass it on to the offspring and we also know that they; can pass it through contact probably biting, potentially mating but they have to be in close contact i mean, we all know that you can only transmit, h... | Yeah we do and it's important to know that it requires. direct contact between cougars, So we know that mothers can pass it on to the offspring and we also know that they can pass it through contact Probably biting, potentially, mating but they have to be. in close contact I mean we. all know that, you can only transmi... | yeah, we do and it's important to know that it requires direct contact between cougars. so we know that mothers can pass it on to the offspring and we also know that they can pass it through contact. probably biting, potentially mating but they have to be in close contact. i mean we all know that you can only transmit ... |
Dr. Biek thanks very much. I' m afraid we've run out of time. Dr. Roman Biek is a post doctoral researcher in the biology department at Emery University. Thanks for talking with us. When we come back we'll talk about the new field of evo-devo. So stay with us. | dr biek thanks very much i' m afraid we've run out of time dr roman, biek is, a, post doctoral; researcher in, the biology department at emery university thanks for talking with us when we come back we'll talk about the new field of evo-devo so stay with | Dr Biek, thanks very much, I' m afraid we've run out of time Dr Roman Biek is a post doctoral researcher, in the biology department at Emery University. Thanks for. talking with us When we come back we'll, talk about the new field of evo-devo So stay with | dr. biek thanks very much. i' m afraid we've run out of time. dr. roman biek is a post doctoral researcher in the biology department at emery university. thanks for talking with us. when we come back we'll talk about the new field of evo-devo. so stay with us. |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION/SCIENCE FRIDAY. I'm Ira Flatow. | this is talk of the nation/science friday i'm ira | This is, TALK OF THE, NATION/SCIENCE FRIDAY I'm Ira | this is talk of the nation/science friday. i'm ira flatow. |
In 1831, Charles Darwin stepped onto the HMS Beagle as a creationist with little scientific training. Five years later, he stepped off the boat convinced that a process called evolution had created the almost unfathomable array of plants and animals he saw on his journey. But it would take him ano... | in. 1831, charles darwin stepped onto the hms beagle as a creationist with little scientific training five years later; he stepped off the boat convinced that a process called, evolution had created the almost unfathomable array of plants and animals he saw on his journey but it would take him, an... | In 1831, Charles Darwin stepped onto the HMS Beagle as a creationist with little scientific training Five years later; he stepped; off the boat convinced that a process called evolution had created the almost unfathomable. array of plants and; animals he saw on his journey But it would take him an... | in 1831, charles darwin stepped onto the hms beagle as a creationist with little scientific training. five years later, he stepped off the boat convinced that a process called evolution had created the almost unfathomable array of plants and animals he saw on his journey. but it would take him ano... |
What happened on that trip and in the years following? Well, this hour the evolution of Charles Darwin. What did he see? And could he have known how much it would change the world? Did he anticipate the tsunami of criticism he would face for daring to challenge the biblical story of creation? W... | what happened, on that trip and in the years following? well, this hour the, evolution of charles darwin what, did he see? and could he have known how much it would change the world? did he anticipate the tsunami of. criticism. he would face for daring to challenge the biblical. story of creatio... | What, happened on that trip and in the years following? Well. this hour the, evolution of Charles Darwin What did he see? And could he have known how much it would change the world? Did he anticipate the tsunami, of criticism. he would face for daring to. challenge the biblical story of creation... | what happened on that trip and in the years following? well, this hour the evolution of charles darwin. what did he see? and could he have known how much it would change the world? did he anticipate the tsunami of criticism he would face for daring to challenge the biblical story of creation? w... |
Let me introduce my guests. Niles Eldredge is a curator in the Division of Paleontology and a curator of the Darwin exhibition at the American Museum of Natural History here in New York. He's the author of several books, including "Darwin: Discovering the Tree of Life," which has just been publis... | let me introduce my guests niles eldredge is a curator in the division of paleontology and a curator of the darwin exhibition at, the american museum of natural history here in new york he's the author of several books including "darwin: discovering the tree of life" which has just been published... | Let me introduce my guests Niles Eldredge. is a curator in the Division of Paleontology and a curator of the Darwin exhibition at the American Museum of, Natural History here in New York He's, the author of several books including "Darwin: Discovering the Tree of Life" which has just been. publis... | let me introduce my guests. niles eldredge is a curator in the division of paleontology and a curator of the darwin exhibition at the american museum of natural history here in new york. he's the author of several books, including "darwin: discovering the tree of life," which has just been publis... |
Thanks for being with us here, Dr. Eldredge. | thanks for being with us. here dr | Thanks for being with us here Dr | thanks for being with us here, dr. eldredge. |
Oh, it's great to be back, Ira. | oh it's great to, be back | Oh it's great to be back | oh, it's great to be back, ira. |
Also with us is Edward J. Larson. He is the Herman Talmadge chair of Law and the Richard B. Russell Professor of American History at the University of Georgia in Athens. He won the 1998 Pulitzer Prize in history for his book "Summer for the Gods: The Scopes Trial and America's Continuing Debate O... | also with us. is, edward j larson he is the herman talmadge chair of law and the, richard b russell professor of american history, at the university of, georgia in athens he won. the. 1998 pulitzer prize in history for his book "summer for the gods: the scopes trial, and america's continuing deba... | Also with us is, Edward J Larson He is the Herman Talmadge chair of Law and the Richard, B Russell; Professor of American History at the University of Georgia, in Athens He won the 1998 Pulitzer Prize in history for his book "Summer for the Gods: The Scopes Trial and America's Continuing Debate O... | also with us is edward j. larson. he is the herman talmadge chair of law and the richard b. russell professor of american history at the university of georgia in athens. he won the 1998 pulitzer prize in history for his book "summer for the gods: the scopes trial and america's continuing debate o... |
Welcome back to SCIENCE FRIDAY, Dr. Larson. | welcome back to science friday dr | Welcome, back to, SCIENCE FRIDAY Dr | welcome back to science friday, dr. larson. |
Dr. EDWARD J. LARSON (Author, "Summer for the Gods"; "Evolution"): Thank you. Happy to be here. | dr edward j larson (author "summer for. the gods"; "evolution"): thank you happy; to be | Dr EDWARD J LARSON (Author, "Summer for the Gods"; "Evolution"): Thank you Happy to be | dr. edward j. larson (author, "summer for the gods"; "evolution"): thank you. happy to be here. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Dr. Eldredge, let me ask you first about the exhibit. Let's talk about--when I go the museum, I come to your exhibit, I'm greeted with what? Walk me through the exhibit, the highlights. | dr eldredge let me ask you first about the exhibit; let's talk, about--when i go the museum i come to your exhibit i'm greeted with what? walk me through the exhibit the | Dr Eldredge let me, ask you first about the exhibit Let's talk; about--when I go the museum I come to your exhibit I'm, greeted with what? Walk, me, through the exhibit the | dr. eldredge, let me ask you first about the exhibit. let's talk about--when i go the museum, i come to your exhibit, i'm greeted with what? walk me through the exhibit, the highlights. |
The highlights of the exhibit: You walk through the existing Hall of Reptiles and Amphibians, and bingo, you see two live Galapagos tortoises. You plunge right in... | the highlights of the exhibit: you, walk through the existing, hall of reptiles and amphibians and bingo you see two live galapagos tortoises. you plunge right | The highlights of, the exhibit: You. walk; through the existing. Hall of Reptiles and Amphibians and bingo you see two. live, Galapagos tortoises You plunge right | the highlights of the exhibit: you walk through the existing hall of reptiles and amphibians, and bingo, you see two live galapagos tortoises. you plunge right in... |
Real ones? | real | Real | real ones? |
Yes. | yes. | ||
Wow! | wow! | ||
Before the break, Dr. Eldredge was talking about when Darwin finally did publish it. Let me ask you, Dr. Larson, what was the motivating factor to have--you know, he waited 20 years--for Darwin to actually publish his ideas here? | before the break dr eldredge was talking about when. darwin finally did publish it let me ask you dr larson what was the motivating factor to have--you know he waited 20 years--for darwin to actually, publish his ideas | Before the break Dr Eldredge was talking about when Darwin finally did publish it Let me ask you Dr Larson what was the motivating factor to have--you know he waited. 20 years--for Darwin to actually publish his, ideas | before the break, dr. eldredge was talking about when darwin finally did publish it. let me ask you, dr. larson, what was the motivating factor to have--you know, he waited 20 years--for darwin to actually publish his ideas here? |
Listen. I believe in accountability. I would hope that the board and others are going to, in a transparent way, say, listen. Give us two weeks. Give us a month. We are going to deeply look into this. We're going to trust people with the truth. | listen, i believe in accountability i would hope that the board and others are going to in a transparent way say listen give us two weeks give us a month we are going. to deeply look into this we're. going to trust people with the | Listen I believe in accountability I would hope that the board and others. are going to, in a transparent way say, listen Give us two. weeks Give us a. month We are going to deeply look into this We're. going to trust people with the | listen. i believe in accountability. i would hope that the board and others are going to, in a transparent way, say, listen. give us two weeks. give us a month. we are going to deeply look into this. we're going to trust people with the truth. |
And we are going to share our commitments for a better future - if they're sincerely committed to having one. There should be accountability, yes. What form it takes - is it a resignation? Is it a firing? Is it a financial one? Let's see. This is a venerated institution. | and we are going to share our commitments for a better future - if they're. sincerely committed to having one there should be accountability, yes what form it. takes - is it a resignation? is, it a firing? is it a, financial one? let's see this is a venerated, | And we are going to share our commitments for a better, future - if they're sincerely committed to having one, There should be accountability yes What form it, takes - is. it a resignation? Is it a firing? Is it a financial one? Let's see This is a venerated | and we are going to share our commitments for a better future - if they're sincerely committed to having one. there should be accountability, yes. what form it takes - is it a resignation? is it a firing? is it a financial one? let's see. this is a venerated institution. |
This is a main-street bank, if you will. And I think what you're seeing is the outrage from main street that - isn't this just another example - indeed a scam - of how the system is rigged? | this is a main-street bank if you will and i think. what. you're seeing is the outrage from main street that, - isn't this just another example - indeed a scam, - of how the system is | This is a main-street bank if you will And I think, what you're seeing, is the, outrage from main street that - isn't, this just another example - indeed a scam - of how the system is. | this is a main-street bank, if you will. and i think what you're seeing is the outrage from main street that - isn't this just another example - indeed a scam - of how the system is rigged? |
Do you really need to create or strengthen a culture or just tell your employees, don't cheat the customer? | do you really need to create or strengthen a culture. or just tell, your employees don't cheat the | Do you really need to create or strengthen, a culture or just tell your employees don't cheat the | do you really need to create or strengthen a culture or just tell your employees, don't cheat the customer? |
You can tell the employees, don't cheat the customer. But if you're paying them for selling more and more or cross-selling - you know, there's an adage in business. You've got to measure things. So what you measure is what you get. | you can tell the employees don't cheat the customer but if you're paying. them. for selling more and more or cross-selling - you know there's an adage in business you've got to, measure things so what you measure, is what you | You. can tell the employees don't cheat. the customer But if you're. paying them for selling more and more or cross-selling - you know there's, an adage in business You've got to measure things So what, you measure is what you | you can tell the employees, don't cheat the customer. but if you're paying them for selling more and more or cross-selling - you know, there's an adage in business. you've got to measure things. so what you measure is what you get. |
And most metrics in business, especially the large ones, are - how many products did you sell this week? You could tell somebody, be ethical. Do the right thing. But then you pay them for how much. And until we start to measure the how - how deep is your relationship with your customer? How loyal is it? How collaborati... | and most. metrics in business especially the large ones are - how many products did you sell this week? you. could tell somebody be ethical do the right thing but then you pay; them for, how much and until we start to measure the how - how deep is your relationship with your customer? how loyal is it? how collaborative... | And most metrics in, business especially the large ones are - how many products, did you sell this week? You could tell somebody be ethical Do the right thing But then you pay them for how much And until we, start to measure the how - how deep is your relationship with your customer? How loyal is it? How collaborative ... | and most metrics in business, especially the large ones, are - how many products did you sell this week? you could tell somebody, be ethical. do the right thing. but then you pay them for how much. and until we start to measure the how - how deep is your relationship with your customer? how loyal is it? how collaborati... |
So this is a massive systems problem where we are measuring the wrong things. And I think the path ahead for a large bank or any large institution is going to be really reworking and architecting the system. | so this is. a massive systems problem where we are measuring the wrong things and i think the path ahead for a large, bank or any large institution is going to be really reworking and architecting the | So. this is a massive systems, problem, where we. are measuring the wrong things And I think the path ahead for a large bank or any large institution is; going to be really reworking and, architecting the | so this is a massive systems problem where we are measuring the wrong things. and i think the path ahead for a large bank or any large institution is going to be really reworking and architecting the system. |
Dov Seidman, who's the CEO of LRN, thanks so much for being with us. | dov seidman who's the ceo of lrn thanks so much for being with | Dov, Seidman who's the CEO of LRN thanks so much, for being with, | dov seidman, who's the ceo of lrn, thanks so much for being with us. |
Scott, it's a real pleasure. Thank you for having me. | scott it's a real pleasure thank you for having | Scott it's a real pleasure Thank you for having | scott, it's a real pleasure. thank you for having me. |
This is SCIENCE FRIDAY. I'm Ira Flatow. We're under the whale, broadcasting from the Milstein Hall of Ocean Life at the American Museum of Natural History in New York. My next guest is at the helm of the most competitive city in the world. His job has been described as the second-toughest in America, after the presiden... | this is science friday i'm ira flatow. we're under the whale broadcasting from. the milstein hall of ocean life at the american museum of natural history in new york my next guest is at the, helm of the. most competitive city. in the world his job has been described as the second-toughest in america after the presidenc... | This, is SCIENCE FRIDAY I'm Ira Flatow We're under the whale broadcasting from, the Milstein Hall of Ocean Life at the American Museum of Natural. History. in New York My next guest. is at the helm of the most competitive city in the world His job has been described as. the second-toughest in America after the presiden... | this is science friday. i'm ira flatow. we're under the whale, broadcasting from the milstein hall of ocean life at the american museum of natural history in new york. my next guest is at the helm of the most competitive city in the world. his job has been described as the second-toughest in america, after the presiden... |
Michael Bloomberg is in his third... | michael bloomberg is in his | Michael Bloomberg is in his | michael bloomberg is in his third... |
Let me interrupt. This is a true story. John Lindsay said he had the second-toughest job in the world, and this is true. Ronald Reagan said the way he does it, it is. | let me, interrupt this is a true story john lindsay said he, had the second-toughest job in the world. and this is true ronald; reagan said the way he does it it | Let me interrupt This is a true story John Lindsay said he had the second-toughest job in the world. and this is true Ronald, Reagan said the way he does it it | let me interrupt. this is a true story. john lindsay said he had the second-toughest job in the world, and this is true. ronald reagan said the way he does it, it is. |
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