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Let's get George Meyer weigh in on this.	let's get george meyer weigh; in on	Let's get George Meyer weigh in on	let's get george meyer weigh in on this.
Yes, and, I think there's a perception that most 8-year-olds are going to be out deer hunting. What this really is, is parents will be making choices, and, looking at their child, if the child is interested in going, and taking them hunting. I would predict that, of the people that hunt-youth hunt at eight, most of the...	yes and i think there's a perception that, most 8-year-olds are going to be out deer hunting what this really is, is parents will, be making choices and looking at their child if the child is interested, in going and taking them hunting i would predict that of the people that hunt-youth hunt at eight most of them will ...	Yes and I think there's a perception that most 8-year-olds are going to be. out deer hunting What this really is is parents will be making, choices and. looking at their child if the child is interested in going and taking them hunting I would predict that. of the people that hunt-youth hunt, at eight most of them will...	yes, and, i think there's a perception that most 8-year-olds are going to be out deer hunting. what this really is, is parents will be making choices, and, looking at their child, if the child is interested in going, and taking them hunting. i would predict that, of the people that hunt-youth hunt at eight, most of the...
I think you'll find, actually, a very small percentage of children that are 12 will be hunting at, that would have hunted at 12 would be hunting at eight.	i think you'll find actually a very small percentage of children that are 12 will be hunting at that would have hunted at 12 would be hunting at	I think you'll find actually a very small percentage of children that are 12 will be hunting at that. would have hunted at 12 would be hunting at	i think you'll find, actually, a very small percentage of children that are 12 will be hunting at, that would have hunted at 12 would be hunting at eight.
Thanks very much, appreciate it. And good luck, apparently you impress your professors.	thanks very much appreciate it and, good luck apparently you impress your	Thanks very much appreciate it And good luck apparently you impress your	thanks very much, appreciate it. and good luck, apparently you impress your professors.
Thanks guys.	thanks;	Thanks	thanks guys.
Let's get another caller on the line. This is Grace. Grace, calling us from Santa Cruz, in California.	let's get another caller on the line this, is grace grace calling us from santa cruz in,	Let's get another caller on the line This is Grace Grace calling us from Santa Cruz, in	let's get another caller on the line. this is grace. grace, calling us from santa cruz, in california.
Yes, hi.	yes	Yes	yes, hi.
Hi. You're on the air, go ahead please.	hi you're on the air go ahead	Hi You're on the air go ahead	hi. you're on the air, go ahead please.
Well, I just wanted to say I wanted to thank Christine. I started about five years ago, hunting, because of the Becoming an Outdoor Woman program in California, Northern California. I am neither white, nor male, nor did mother or my father take me out hunting. I'm an African-American woman from Philadelphia. But I foun...	well i just wanted to say i. wanted to thank christine i started about five years ago hunting because of the becoming an outdoor woman program in california northern california i am, neither white nor male nor did mother or my father take me out, hunting i'm an african-american woman from philadelphia but i, found that...	Well I just wanted to say I wanted to thank Christine I started about five years ago hunting because of the Becoming an, Outdoor Woman. program in California Northern California I am. neither white nor male nor did mother or my father take me out hunting, I'm an African-American woman. from Philadelphia But I found tha...	well, i just wanted to say i wanted to thank christine. i started about five years ago, hunting, because of the becoming an outdoor woman program in california, northern california. i am neither white, nor male, nor did mother or my father take me out hunting. i'm an african-american woman from philadelphia. but i foun...
And so, I have found a group of people who I really enjoy, who I probably wouldn't have never met any other way except for in this setting.	and so i have, found a group of people who i really enjoy who i probably wouldn't, have never met any, other way except for in, this.	And so I have found a group of, people who; I really enjoy who I probably wouldn't have never met any other way except for in this	and so, i have found a group of people who i really enjoy, who i probably wouldn't have never met any other way except for in this setting.
And what do you like about it most, Grace.	and what do you like about it most	And what do you like about it most	and what do you like about it most, grace.
I'd have to say the camaraderie. I mean I, you know, I have to say that I really enjoy the getting up in the morning. I enjoyed the being with people who I may not necessarily have anything politically to say to, but have very, you know, emotional ties to. And there's also, I don't know whether I'd call it a reverence ...	i'd have to say. the camaraderie i mean i you know. i have to say that i really enjoy the getting up in the morning. i enjoyed the. being with people who i may not necessarily have anything politically; to say to but have very you know emotional, ties to; and there's also i don't know whether i'd call. it a reverence o...	I'd have to say the, camaraderie I, mean I you know I have to say that I really enjoy the getting up in the morning I enjoyed the being with people who. I may not necessarily have anything politically to say; to but have very you know emotional ties to And there's also I don't know. whether I'd call it a. reverence or ...	i'd have to say the camaraderie. i mean i, you know, i have to say that i really enjoy the getting up in the morning. i enjoyed the being with people who i may not necessarily have anything politically to say to, but have very, you know, emotional ties to. and there's also, i don't know whether i'd call it a reverence ...
It, there is something to be, that really hits you in the face when you have, when you've shot a bird and you have to clean it and cook it. I mean, I, you know, I think there's something very different than going off to your local grocery store and picking out something that doesn't look at all like an animal.	it there is something to be that really hits you in the face when you have when you've shot a, bird and you have to clean. it. and cook it. i mean i you know i, think there's something. very different than going off to your local grocery store and picking out something that doesn't look at, all like an	It there is something to be that really hits you in the face when you have when you've shot a bird and you have to clean it and cook it I mean I you know I think there's something very, different than. going off to your local grocery store and picking out something that doesn't look at all like an	it, there is something to be, that really hits you in the face when you have, when you've shot a bird and you have to clean it and cook it. i mean, i, you know, i think there's something very different than going off to your local grocery store and picking out something that doesn't look at all like an animal.
Grace, thanks very much for the call, we appreciate it.	grace thanks very much for; the call we appreciate	Grace thanks very much for the call we appreciate	grace, thanks very much for the call, we appreciate it.
Thank you.	thank.	Thank	thank you.
Bye bye. Let's turn now to Mark. Mark's here in the audience, studio audience.	bye bye let's turn now to mark mark's here in the audience studio	Bye bye Let's, turn now to Mark. Mark's here in the audience studio	bye bye. let's turn now to mark. mark's here in the audience, studio audience.
Let's sort of return to that question, but, on the morals of hunting, but, do you think buying a chicken at Walmart morally superior to shooting a flying bird?	let's sort of return to that question but on the morals of hunting but do you think buying a chicken at walmart morally superior to, shooting a flying	Let's sort of return to that question but, on the morals of hunting but do you think buying a chicken at Walmart morally superior to, shooting a flying	let's sort of return to that question, but, on the morals of hunting, but, do you think buying a chicken at walmart morally superior to shooting a flying bird?
And what about those of us who, myself for instance, see that eating deer venison, grouse, pheasants, woodcock, ducks, whatever it might be, as a way of independence in the same way that maybe cutting firewood or picking berries, or growing a garden. And I don't know who wants to field that one?	and what about those of us who myself for. instance see that eating deer venison grouse pheasants woodcock ducks whatever it might be as a way of independence in the same way that maybe cutting firewood or picking berries or growing a garden and i don't know who wants to field that	And what about those of us who myself, for. instance see that eating deer venison grouse pheasants woodcock ducks whatever it might be as a way. of independence in the same way, that maybe cutting firewood or picking berries or growing a garden And I don't know who wants to field that	and what about those of us who, myself for instance, see that eating deer venison, grouse, pheasants, woodcock, ducks, whatever it might be, as a way of independence in the same way that maybe cutting firewood or picking berries, or growing a garden. and i don't know who wants to field that one?
Well let me throw it to Richard Stedman, because again, few of us pick our own berries these days, we tend to go down to the Giant or the A&P.	well let me throw it to richard. stedman because again few of us pick our own berries, these days we tend. to go down to the giant or the,	Well let me throw it to Richard Stedman because again few of us pick our own berries these days we tend to go down to the Giant or the	well let me throw it to richard stedman, because again, few of us pick our own berries these days, we tend to go down to the giant or the a&p.
Yeah, I think there's definitely something to be said for that connection; connection to our food, connection to the land, and I think more generally, I guess I'd argue that a lot of hunters have a special connection to place too. They come to know a landscape and a particular setting very, very well, and I guess, cert...	yeah i think there's definitely something to be said for that connection connection to our food connection to the; land and i think more generally i guess i'd argue that a lot of hunters have a special. connection to place too they come to know a landscape. and a particular setting very very well and. i guess certainly...	Yeah I think there's definitely something to be said for that connection connection to our food connection, to the land and I think more, generally I guess I'd argue that a lot of hunters have a special connection to place. too They come to know a. landscape and, a particular setting very. very well and, I guess, certa...	yeah, i think there's definitely something to be said for that connection; connection to our food, connection to the land, and i think more generally, i guess i'd argue that a lot of hunters have a special connection to place too. they come to know a landscape and a particular setting very, very well, and i guess, cert...
And let me turn finally to Christine Thomas and ask you, we had the call earlier from Grace. If hunting is going to continue to thrive as it does here in Wisconsin, if it's going to recover in places like Iowa where it's on the decline, clearly people like you and Grace have to be brought into this sport. It has to sto...	and, let me turn finally to christine thomas and ask you we, had the call earlier from. grace if hunting is, going to continue to thrive as. it does here in wisconsin if it's going to recover, in places like iowa where it's on the decline clearly people like you and, grace; have to be brought, into this sport it has to...	And let me. turn finally to Christine; Thomas and ask. you we had the call earlier from Grace. If hunting is going to continue to thrive, as it does here in Wisconsin if it's going to recover in places like Iowa. where it's on the decline clearly people like you and, Grace have, to be brought into this sport It has to ...	and let me turn finally to christine thomas and ask you, we had the call earlier from grace. if hunting is going to continue to thrive as it does here in wisconsin, if it's going to recover in places like iowa where it's on the decline, clearly people like you and grace have to be brought into this sport. it has to sto...
Well I, obviously I agree with that. We didn't start the Becoming an Outdoors Woman Program to solve the recruitment to hunting issue, and as we got going with Becoming an Outdoors Woman, we discovered that it was even more than teaching women outdoor skills, it was about self esteem and rising self confidence and beco...	well i obviously i agree with that we didn't. start the becoming an outdoors woman; program to solve the recruitment to hunting issue. and as we got going with becoming an outdoors woman we discovered that it was even, more than teaching women outdoor skills it was about self esteem and rising self confidence and becom...	Well I obviously I agree with that We didn't start the Becoming, an Outdoors Woman Program to solve the recruitment to, hunting issue and as we got going with; Becoming an Outdoors Woman we discovered that it was even more than teaching women outdoor skills it was about self esteem and rising self confidence and becomi...	well i, obviously i agree with that. we didn't start the becoming an outdoors woman program to solve the recruitment to hunting issue, and as we got going with becoming an outdoors woman, we discovered that it was even more than teaching women outdoor skills, it was about self esteem and rising self confidence and beco...
That transfer into human relevant pathogens is what we're worried about.	that transfer into human relevant pathogens, is what we're worried	That transfer into human relevant pathogens is. what we're worried	that transfer into human relevant pathogens is what we're worried about.
However, women are 52 percent of the population, and historically state resource management agencies have ignored them as a public. And from a standpoint of the agencies who need--wildlife management is financed by hunters. Wildlife managers are paid by hunting dollars, and so, if we're going to continue that model of ...	however women are 52 percent of the population and historically state resource management agencies; have, ignored them as, a public and from a standpoint of the agencies who. need--wildlife management is financed by hunters wildlife managers are paid by hunting dollars and. so if we're going to continue that model of f...	However women are 52 percent of the population and historically state resource, management agencies have ignored them as; a public And from a standpoint of the agencies who need--wildlife management is, financed by hunters Wildlife managers are; paid by hunting dollars. and so, if we're going to continue that. model of...	however, women are 52 percent of the population, and historically state resource management agencies have ignored them as a public. and from a standpoint of the agencies who need--wildlife management is financed by hunters. wildlife managers are paid by hunting dollars, and so, if we're going to continue that model of ...
In California, they have a lottery to see who can attend Becoming an Outdoors Woman. That's how popular it is.	in california they have a lottery to see who can attend becoming an outdoors woman that's how popular it	In California they. have a lottery to; see who can attend Becoming an Outdoors Woman, That's how, popular it	in california, they have a lottery to see who can attend becoming an outdoors woman. that's how popular it is.
Thanks to you all. Christine Thomas, Dean of the College of Natural Resources at the University of Wisconsin, Stevens Point, and Founder of Becoming an Outdoors Woman; Richard Stedman, Professor of Rural Sociology at Pennsylvania State University; George Meyer, Executive Director of Wisconsin Wildlife Federation; and C...	thanks to you all christine, thomas dean of the college of natural resources, at the university of wisconsin. stevens point and founder of becoming an outdoors woman richard stedman professor of rural sociology at pennsylvania. state university george meyer executive director of wisconsin wildlife federation and chris ...	Thanks to you all Christine Thomas Dean of the College of Natural Resources at the University of Wisconsin Stevens Point and Founder of Becoming an Outdoors Woman Richard Stedman Professor of, Rural Sociology at Pennsylvania State University George Meyer Executive. Director of Wisconsin Wildlife Federation. and Chris D...	thanks to you all. christine thomas, dean of the college of natural resources at the university of wisconsin, stevens point, and founder of becoming an outdoors woman; richard stedman, professor of rural sociology at pennsylvania state university; george meyer, executive director of wisconsin wildlife federation; and c...
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The small town of Waveland, Miss., near the Louisiana border, was walloped by Hurricane Katrina ten years ago. The last decade has been tough. The city and its residents have struggled to rebuild in the face of all kinds of obstacles. Evelina Burnett of Mississippi Public Broadcasting has the story.	the small town of waveland miss., near the louisiana, border was walloped by hurricane katrina ten years ago, the last decade has been tough the city and its residents have struggled, to rebuild in; the face of all kinds of obstacles evelina burnett of mississippi public broadcasting has. the,	The small town of Waveland Miss., near the Louisiana border was walloped by Hurricane Katrina ten years ago The last decade has been tough The; city and its residents, have struggled to rebuild in the face of all kinds of obstacles Evelina Burnett of Mississippi Public Broadcasting has the	the small town of waveland, miss., near the louisiana border, was walloped by hurricane katrina ten years ago. the last decade has been tough. the city and its residents have struggled to rebuild in the face of all kinds of obstacles. evelina burnett of mississippi public broadcasting has the story.
Standing on the second floor balcony of Waveland City Hall, Mayor Mike Smith points out what used to be here on Coleman Avenue, the main downtown thoroughfare.	standing on the second floor balcony of waveland city hall. mayor mike smith points, out what used to be here on coleman avenue the main downtown	Standing; on the second floor balcony of Waveland City Hall Mayor Mike. Smith points out what used to be. here on Coleman Avenue the main downtown	standing on the second floor balcony of waveland city hall, mayor mike smith points out what used to be here on coleman avenue, the main downtown thoroughfare.
There was a building around here on the corner. And then there was a drugstore and some more shops on the right-hand side.	there was, a building around here on the corner and then there was a drugstore and some more shops on. the right-hand	There was a building around here on the corner And then there was a drugstore, and some more shops on the right-hand	there was a building around here on the corner. and then there was a drugstore and some more shops on the right-hand side.
There were 29 businesses on this road before Katrina. Today, there are just six. South of City Hall, it's largely empty lots broken up only by for-sale signs. Luckily, Waveland has another commercial district away from the water, and the mayor says business-wise the city's doing OK.	there were 29 businesses; on this road, before katrina today there are just six south of city hall it's largely empty lots broken up only by for-sale signs luckily waveland has another. commercial district, away from the water and the mayor says business-wise the city's doing	There were 29 businesses on this road before Katrina Today there are just six South of City Hall it's. largely empty lots, broken up only by for-sale signs Luckily Waveland has another commercial district away. from the, water and the mayor says business-wise the. city's doing	there were 29 businesses on this road before katrina. today, there are just six. south of city hall, it's largely empty lots broken up only by for-sale signs. luckily, waveland has another commercial district away from the water, and the mayor says business-wise the city's doing ok.
What we’re hurting at is our residents. We had roughly about 8,000 residents when Katrina hit, and we’re at about 6,400 now.	what we’re hurting at is our residents we. had roughly about 8,000 residents when katrina hit and we’re at about	What, we’re hurting at is our. residents We had roughly about 8,000 residents when Katrina hit and we’re at about	what we’re hurting at is our residents. we had roughly about 8,000 residents when katrina hit, and we’re at about 6,400 now.
Nearly every residence here was damaged or destroyed by Hurricane Katrina, many inundated by an almost 30-foot storm surge. Other Mississippi coastal towns have blossomed after the storm. Bay St. Louis, next door to Waveland, is bustling with new beachfront restaurants and businesses. But Waveland has struggled, becaus...	nearly. every, residence here was damaged or destroyed by hurricane katrina many inundated by an almost 30-foot storm surge other mississippi coastal. towns have blossomed after the storm bay; st louis next door to waveland is bustling with new beachfront restaurants and businesses but waveland has struggled because it...	Nearly every residence here was damaged or destroyed by Hurricane Katrina, many inundated by an almost 30-foot storm surge Other Mississippi coastal towns have blossomed after the storm Bay St Louis next door to Waveland is bustling with new beachfront restaurants. and. businesses But Waveland has struggled because it ...	nearly every residence here was damaged or destroyed by hurricane katrina, many inundated by an almost 30-foot storm surge. other mississippi coastal towns have blossomed after the storm. bay st. louis, next door to waveland, is bustling with new beachfront restaurants and businesses. but waveland has struggled, becaus...
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Oh, my God, this is - this is my shop. That's my awning. This is our car.	oh my god. this, is - this, is my shop that's my awning this is our	Oh my God this is - this is my shop That's my awning This is our	oh, my god, this is - this is my shop. that's my awning. this is our car.
Pinn re-opened her gift shop in the city's commercial area off the beach in 2007. But the recession that took hold the following year walloped her business, and she closed in 2009. Pinn remained hopeful about coming back to Coleman Avenue, but then...	pinn. re-opened her gift shop in the city's commercial; area. off the beach. in 2007. but the recession, that took hold the, following year, walloped her business and she closed in 2009. pinn remained hopeful about coming back, to coleman avenue but;	Pinn re-opened her gift shop in the city's commercial area off the beach in 2007. But the recession that, took, hold the following year walloped her business. and she closed in 2009. Pinn remained hopeful, about coming back to Coleman Avenue but	pinn re-opened her gift shop in the city's commercial area off the beach in 2007. but the recession that took hold the following year walloped her business, and she closed in 2009. pinn remained hopeful about coming back to coleman avenue, but then...
The BP oil spill happened, and a lot of people who were thinking about - that was about four-and-a-half years, almost five, into the recovery - that just stopped a lot of growth that would have come at that point in time. It just made everybody rethink it.	the bp. oil spill happened and a lot of people, who were thinking about - that was about four-and-a-half years almost five into the recovery - that, just stopped a lot of growth that would have, come at that point in; time it just made everybody rethink	The BP oil spill happened and a lot of people who were thinking about - that was about four-and-a-half years almost five into the recovery - that just stopped a lot of growth that. would have come at that point in time It just made everybody rethink	the bp oil spill happened, and a lot of people who were thinking about - that was about four-and-a-half years, almost five, into the recovery - that just stopped a lot of growth that would have come at that point in time. it just made everybody rethink it.
Two years ago, Pinn and her husband moved to Illinois, where they have family. LiLi Stahler Murphy served as an alderwoman in Waveland for eight of the past ten years. She thinks the oil spill made a big difference in the trajectory of the city’s sluggish recovery.	two. years ago pinn and her husband moved to illinois, where they have family lili stahler murphy served as an, alderwoman in waveland for eight of the past ten years she thinks the oil spill made a, big difference in the trajectory of the city’s sluggish,	Two years ago, Pinn and her husband moved to Illinois where they have family. LiLi Stahler Murphy served as an alderwoman in Waveland for eight of the past ten years She thinks the oil spill made a big. difference in, the trajectory. of the city’s sluggish	two years ago, pinn and her husband moved to illinois, where they have family. lili stahler murphy served as an alderwoman in waveland for eight of the past ten years. she thinks the oil spill made a big difference in the trajectory of the city’s sluggish recovery.
We had just opened our brand new fishing pier, and then the beach was closed for that whole summer. That I thought was going to be our real break-out summer. And that was rather disheartening and not our fault, but it is what it is, and it slowed us down a lot	we had just opened our brand new fishing pier and then the beach was closed for that whole summer that i thought was going to be our real break-out summer and that; was rather disheartening, and. not our fault but it is what it is and it slowed us down a	We had just opened our brand new fishing pier and then the beach was closed for that whole summer That; I thought was going; to be our; real break-out summer And. that was rather, disheartening and not our fault but it is what it is and it slowed us down a	we had just opened our brand new fishing pier, and then the beach was closed for that whole summer. that i thought was going to be our real break-out summer. and that was rather disheartening and not our fault, but it is what it is, and it slowed us down a lot