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More than 30,000 people have taken selfies with her. You're going to have Booker onstage. You'll have Beto O'Rourke, the former Texas congressman. So - but she's the probably the strongest on policy and on substance. And, you know, whenever something will come back to her, you know, in what she wants to do or what the ... | more than 30,000 people have taken selfies with her you're going to have booker onstage you'll, have beto o'rourke the former texas, congressman. so - but she's the probably the strongest on policy. and on substance and you know whenever something will come back to her you know in what she wants to do or what the count... | More than 30,000 people have taken selfies with her. You're going to have Booker onstage You'll have Beto O'Rourke the former Texas congressman So - but. she's the probably the strongest on policy and on substance And you know whenever something will, come back to her you know in what she wants to do or what. the count... | more than 30,000 people have taken selfies with her. you're going to have booker onstage. you'll have beto o'rourke, the former texas congressman. so - but she's the probably the strongest on policy and on substance. and, you know, whenever something will come back to her, you know, in what she wants to do or what the ... |
There's also going to be competition among the folks whose names are just not as well-known. You know, they're going to be looking to make a splash, to break out. Do you - as you've been surveying these candidates, is there anybody you're keeping an eye on who you think might get interesting tonight? | there's, also going to be competition among. the folks whose names are just not as well-known you know, they're going to be, looking to make a, splash to break out do you - as you've, been surveying these candidates is there anybody you're keeping an eye on. who you think might get interesting | There's also going to be competition among the folks whose names are just not as well-known You know they're going to be looking to make a splash to break out Do you - as you've been surveying these candidates. is there anybody you're keeping an eye on who you think might get interesting | there's also going to be competition among the folks whose names are just not as well-known. you know, they're going to be looking to make a splash, to break out. do you - as you've been surveying these candidates, is there anybody you're keeping an eye on who you think might get interesting tonight? |
Well, you know, I don't know about tonight necessarily, but I think about somebody like Pete Buttigieg, anyway, to figure out, you know, if he can sort of deal with what he's been dealing with back home as the mayor of South Bend, Ind., and this police shooting where a white police officer shot a black man in South Ben... | well you know i don't know about tonight necessarily but i think about somebody like pete buttigieg anyway to figure, out, you know if he can sort of deal with what he's been dealing with. back home as the mayor. of south bend. ind., and this police shooting where a white, police officer shot a black, man in south bend... | Well you know. I don't know about tonight necessarily but I think about somebody like; Pete Buttigieg anyway to figure out you know if he can sort of deal with what he's been dealing with back home as the mayor of South Bend Ind., and this police shooting where a white police officer shot a black man. in South Bend And... | well, you know, i don't know about tonight necessarily, but i think about somebody like pete buttigieg, anyway, to figure out, you know, if he can sort of deal with what he's been dealing with back home as the mayor of south bend, ind., and this police shooting where a white police officer shot a black man in south ben... |
Domenico, you've talked about this race as kind of a contest right now between the pragmatists and the progressives. How do you see that playing out tonight? | domenico you've talked about this race as kind of. a contest right now. between the pragmatists and the progressives how do you see that playing out | Domenico, you've talked about this race as kind of a contest right now, between the, pragmatists, and; the progressives How do you see that playing out | domenico, you've talked about this race as kind of a contest right now between the pragmatists and the progressives. how do you see that playing out tonight? |
Well, you know, striking that balance is pretty tough. I mean, there's really a split in the party between the sort of super-progressive wing that's grown frustrated with the politics of comity and tired of what they see as, like, empty unity talk... | well you know, striking. that balance is. pretty tough i mean there's really a split in the, party between the sort of super-progressive wing that's grown. frustrated with the politics of comity and tired of what they see as like empty unity | Well you, know striking that balance is pretty tough I mean there's really a split in the party between the sort of super-progressive wing that's grown frustrated with the politics of comity and tired of what they see, as like empty. unity | well, you know, striking that balance is pretty tough. i mean, there's really a split in the party between the sort of super-progressive wing that's grown frustrated with the politics of comity and tired of what they see as, like, empty unity talk... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...Versus the pragmatists, you know, who do believe that the country doesn't need a massive - who believe that the country, you know, maybe doesn't need this, like I say, massive pendulum swing the complete other direction, but that the last election was won at the margins and what's needed is a, quote, "return to norm... | ...versus the pragmatists you know. who do believe that the country doesn't need a massive - who. believe that the country you know maybe doesn't need. this like i say massive pendulum swing the complete other direction but that the last election was won at the margins and what's needed is a quote, "return to | ...Versus the pragmatists you know who do believe that the country doesn't need, a massive - who. believe that the country you know maybe doesn't need this, like I say massive pendulum swing the complete other direction but that, the last election was won at the margins and what's. needed is a quote "return to | ...versus the pragmatists, you know, who do believe that the country doesn't need a massive - who believe that the country, you know, maybe doesn't need this, like i say, massive pendulum swing the complete other direction, but that the last election was won at the margins and what's needed is a, quote, "return to norm... |
NPR's Domenico Montanaro, thanks so much. | npr's domenico montanaro thanks so | NPR's Domenico Montanaro thanks so | npr's domenico montanaro, thanks so much. |
Sure. We'll see if that plays out. | sure we'll, see if that plays | Sure We'll see if that plays | sure. we'll see if that plays out. |
From the studios of NPR West, this is Day to Day. I'm Alex Chadwick. | from the studios of npr west this. is day to day i'm alex | From the studios. of NPR West this is Day to; Day I'm Alex | from the studios of npr west, this is day to day. i'm alex chadwick. |
And I'm Alex Cohen. Foreclosures are wreaking havoc with the financial markets. Coming up, we hear how they could affect the presidential election, too. | and i'm alex cohen foreclosures are wreaking havoc, with the financial markets coming up we hear. how they could affect the presidential election | And I'm Alex Cohen Foreclosures are wreaking havoc with the financial markets Coming up we hear how they; could; affect the presidential, election | and i'm alex cohen. foreclosures are wreaking havoc with the financial markets. coming up, we hear how they could affect the presidential election, too. |
First, Iraq, where Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made an unexpected visit to Baghdad today. She was there to try to help the U.S. and Iraq reach an agreement about the future of American troops stationed there. The news wires have carried a flurry of reports on this early today, saying there's a deal in the works... | first iraq where secretary of, state condoleezza rice made an unexpected visit to baghdad today she was there to try to help; the u.s and iraq, reach; an agreement about the future of american. troops; stationed there. the news wires have carried. a flurry of reports on this early today saying there's a deal in the wor... | First Iraq where Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made an unexpected visit to Baghdad today She was there to try to help the U.S and Iraq reach an agreement about the future of American troops stationed there The news wires have carried a flurry of reports on this early today saying there's a deal in the works for a... | first, iraq, where secretary of state condoleezza rice made an unexpected visit to baghdad today. she was there to try to help the u.s. and iraq reach an agreement about the future of american troops stationed there. the news wires have carried a flurry of reports on this early today, saying there's a deal in the works... |
There isn't a final deal yet. There is a draft agreement that the negotiating team for both sides have put together, and that is now being circulated among the top leaders on both sides. So there is an actual draft document, but it still has to go through several layers of examination, especially on the Iraqi side, bef... | there isn't a final deal yet there is a, draft agreement that the negotiating team for both sides have; put together and that. is now being circulated among the, top leaders on both sides so. there is; an actual draft. document but it still has to go through several layers of examination especially on the, iraqi side b... | There isn't, a final deal yet There is a draft agreement that the negotiating team, for both, sides have put together and that is now being circulated among the, top leaders on both sides; So there is an actual draft document but it still has to go through several layers of examination especially on the Iraqi side befo... | there isn't a final deal yet. there is a draft agreement that the negotiating team for both sides have put together, and that is now being circulated among the top leaders on both sides. so there is an actual draft document, but it still has to go through several layers of examination, especially on the iraqi side, bef... |
Well, do you know the terms of the agreement, and specifically, do you know, have they set a timeline for U.S. combat troops? | well do, you know the terms of the agreement and specifically do you know have they set, a timeline. for u.s combat | Well. do you know the terms of the agreement and specifically do you know have they set. a, timeline. for U.S combat | well, do you know the terms of the agreement, and specifically, do you know, have they set a timeline for u.s. combat troops? |
Well, they've set a goal date of 2011 for the withdrawal of combat troops in Iraq. Now, that's a goal. It's not a hard and fast date, so it could change if conditions on the ground here change, particularly if violence starts to increase again. | well. they've set a goal date of 2011 for the withdrawal of combat troops in iraq now that's a goal it's not a hard and fast date so it could change if conditions on the ground here change particularly if violence starts to increase | Well they've set a goal date of 2011 for the withdrawal of. combat troops in Iraq Now that's a goal It's not a hard, and fast date so it could change if conditions on the ground here change particularly if violence starts to increase | well, they've set a goal date of 2011 for the withdrawal of combat troops in iraq. now, that's a goal. it's not a hard and fast date, so it could change if conditions on the ground here change, particularly if violence starts to increase again. |
There's also a goal for the U.S. troops to leave cities and towns, basically the population centers, at the end of June 2009. And they would move to the outskirts of those areas, but General Petraeus, in an interview I had with him yesterday, pointed out that that's already been happening, particularly in the southern ... | there's also a goal for the u.s troops to leave cities and towns basically the, population, centers at the end of june 2009. and they would move to the outskirts. of those areas but general petraeus in an interview i, had with him yesterday pointed out that that's already been happening particularly in the southern. pa... | There's also a goal for the U.S troops to leave cities and towns basically the population centers at the end of June 2009. And they would move to the outskirts of those areas but General Petraeus in an interview I had with him yesterday pointed out that that's already been happening particularly in the southern. part o... | there's also a goal for the u.s. troops to leave cities and towns, basically the population centers, at the end of june 2009. and they would move to the outskirts of those areas, but general petraeus, in an interview i had with him yesterday, pointed out that that's already been happening, particularly in the southern ... |
I keep reading statements on the news wires from the Iraqi foreign minister saying, we're very, very close to a deal. We've resolved almost everything. What are the sticking points? Why can't they get this done? | i keep, reading statements on the news wires from the iraqi foreign minister saying we're very very. close to a deal we've resolved, almost everything what. are the sticking points? why can't they get this | I keep reading statements, on the news. wires from the Iraqi foreign. minister; saying we're very very close to a deal, We've resolved almost everything What are the; sticking points? Why can't they get this | i keep reading statements on the news wires from the iraqi foreign minister saying, we're very, very close to a deal. we've resolved almost everything. what are the sticking points? why can't they get this done? |
Well, the remaining sticking points are what had always been the major obstacles, which is immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law for U.S. troops, control over Iraqi detainees, and also, how much authority the U.S. has in conducting military operations here because, right now, if they wanted to unilaterally conduct ... | well the. remaining sticking points are what had always been, the major obstacles which is immunity from prosecution, under iraqi law for u.s troops control over iraqi detainees. and also. how, much authority the u.s has in conducting military operations here because right now if they wanted to unilaterally conduct any... | Well the remaining sticking; points are what had always been the major obstacles which is immunity from prosecution. under Iraqi, law for. U.S troops control, over Iraqi detainees and also how much authority the U.S has in conducting military operations here because right now if they wanted to; unilaterally conduct any... | well, the remaining sticking points are what had always been the major obstacles, which is immunity from prosecution under iraqi law for u.s. troops, control over iraqi detainees, and also, how much authority the u.s. has in conducting military operations here because, right now, if they wanted to unilaterally conduct ... |
Those don't sound to me like minor kinds of details to be cleared up. | those don't sound to me like minor kinds; of details to be cleared | Those don't sound to me like minor kinds of. details to be. cleared | those don't sound to me like minor kinds of details to be cleared up. |
Well, they are looking at forming some joint technical committees that would handle these controversial cases when they arise. So it is something that's being hammered out. | well they are looking at. forming some joint technical committees that would handle these controversial cases when they arise so, it is something. that's being hammered | Well they are looking at forming some joint technical. committees that would handle these controversial cases when they arise So it is something that's being hammered | well, they are looking at forming some joint technical committees that would handle these controversial cases when they arise. so it is something that's being hammered out. |
Would this final deal, do you know, need approval by the U.S. Congress, or is this something that the Bush administration can simply sign off on? | would this final, deal do you. know need approval by the. u.s congress. or is this something that the bush administration, can simply sign off | Would this, final deal. do you know need approval by the. U.S Congress, or is; this something that the Bush administration can simply sign off | would this final deal, do you know, need approval by the u.s. congress, or is this something that the bush administration can simply sign off on? |
Yes, the Bush administration considers this to be an executive agreement, which does not need approval from the U.S. Congress. | yes the bush administration considers this to be an executive agreement which does, not need approval from the u.s | Yes the Bush administration considers this to be an executive agreement which does not need approval from. the, U.S | yes, the bush administration considers this to be an executive agreement, which does not need approval from the u.s. congress. |
And do you have any sense of when this might go beyond a draft agreement? Any sense of a conclusion to these negotiations? | and do you have any sense of when this might go beyond a draft agreement? any sense of a conclusion to these | And do, you have any. sense of when this might go beyond a draft agreement? Any sense of a conclusion. to these | and do you have any sense of when this might go beyond a draft agreement? any sense of a conclusion to these negotiations? |
Well, the last step in the approval process on the Iraqi side is presenting this to parliament, and they don't actually reconvene right now until September 9th, although that also could change. So, at the very least, it's still going be at least until then until they can even look at it. | well the last step in the approval process on, the iraqi side is presenting this to parliament and they don't actually reconvene right, now until september 9th although that also could change so, at; the very least it's still, going be, at, least until then until they can, even look at, | Well the, last step in the approval process on the Iraqi side is presenting this to. parliament and they. don't actually reconvene right now until; September 9th although that also could change So, at the. very least it's still going be at least until, then until they can even look at | well, the last step in the approval process on the iraqi side is presenting this to parliament, and they don't actually reconvene right now until september 9th, although that also could change. so, at the very least, it's still going be at least until then until they can even look at it. |
Erin Aubry Kaplan is a contributing editor to the Opinion section of the Los Angeles Times. She joins us today from the studios of NPR West in Culver City, California. | erin aubry kaplan is a contributing editor to the. opinion section of the los angeles times she joins us today from the studios of npr west in culver city | Erin Aubry Kaplan is a contributing editor to the Opinion section of the Los Angeles Times She. joins us today. from the studios of NPR; West in Culver City | erin aubry kaplan is a contributing editor to the opinion section of the los angeles times. she joins us today from the studios of npr west in culver city, california. |
Nice to have you on TALK OF THE NATION. | nice. to have you on talk of the | Nice. to have you on TALK OF THE | nice to have you on talk of the nation. |
Thanks for having me on, Neal. | thanks, for. having me on | Thanks for having me on. | thanks for having me on, neal. |
And in your most recent op-ed, you said you're angry. What are you mad about? | and in. your most recent. op-ed. you said, you're angry what are, you mad | And in your most recent op-ed you said you're angry What are you mad | and in your most recent op-ed, you said you're angry. what are you mad about? |
Oh, so many things. I just wanted to make the point that black people - at least most of the ones that I know - are mad, in one form or another, that doesn't mean that they, you know, they go around looking angry but all of us - so many of us are just as distressed about the conditions in black America. I could give yo... | oh so many things i just wanted to make the point that black people - at least most of the, ones that i know - are mad in one form or another that doesn't mean. that they you know they. go around looking angry but all of us - so many of us are just as distressed about the conditions, in black america i could give; you ... | Oh so many; things I just wanted to make the point that black people - at least most of, the ones that I know - are mad in one form or another that doesn't mean that they you know they go around looking angry but all of us - so many of us are just as distressed about the conditions in black America I could give you a l... | oh, so many things. i just wanted to make the point that black people - at least most of the ones that i know - are mad, in one form or another, that doesn't mean that they, you know, they go around looking angry but all of us - so many of us are just as distressed about the conditions in black america. i could give yo... |
And is this an anger that blacks can express amongst themselves but more difficult to express it across ethnic lines? | and is this an. anger that blacks can, express amongst themselves but more difficult to express it. across ethnic | And is this an anger that blacks can express amongst themselves but more difficult to express it across ethnic | and is this an anger that blacks can express amongst themselves but more difficult to express it across ethnic lines? |
Well, absolutely. We really do have - you know, different conversations going on. We talk about this amongst ourselves all the time. But it - we, at least, I do not generally have these conversations with, say, white people because there's really no history of it and we kind of assumed that other people don't want to h... | well absolutely we really do have - you know different conversations going. on we talk about this amongst ourselves all the, time but it - we at least i do not generally have these conversations with say white people because, there's really no history of it and we kind of assumed that other people don't want to hear it... | Well absolutely We really do have - you. know different conversations going on We talk about this amongst ourselves. all the time But it - we at least I do not generally have, these conversations with say white people because there's really no, history of it and we kind of assumed that other people don't want to hear i... | well, absolutely. we really do have - you know, different conversations going on. we talk about this amongst ourselves all the time. but it - we, at least, i do not generally have these conversations with, say, white people because there's really no history of it and we kind of assumed that other people don't want to h... |
So it comes up in a - that what some might regard as a teachable moment. And… | so it comes up in a - that what some might regard, as a teachable moment | So it, comes up in a - that what some might regard as a teachable moment | so it comes up in a - that what some might regard as a teachable moment. and… |
Yes. | yes. | ||
…somebody might say, well, what do you think about Reverend Wright and Senator Obama and you feel like you have to explain. | …somebody, might say well what do you think about. reverend. wright and senator obama and you feel like you have, to | …somebody might say well what do you think, about Reverend Wright, and Senator Obama. and you feel like you have to | …somebody might say, well, what do you think about reverend wright and senator obama and you feel like you have to explain. |
Absolutely, and that's frankly a little tiring. I'm happy to be on the program but very often we only have these conversations when something like this, quote, unquote, happens. But my point just was that, this is to me is not something that happens. This is not a moment. This is actually, you know, like I say, a gener... | absolutely and that's frankly a little tiring i'm happy to be on the program but; very often we only have these conversations when something like this quote unquote happens but my point just was that this is to me is not something that happens this is not a. moment this is actually you know like i say a general state o... | Absolutely; and that's frankly a little tiring I'm happy to be on the program but very often we only have these conversations when something like this quote unquote happens But my point just was that this is to me is not something, that happens This. is not a moment This is actually you know like I say a general state ... | absolutely, and that's frankly a little tiring. i'm happy to be on the program but very often we only have these conversations when something like this, quote, unquote, happens. but my point just was that, this is to me is not something that happens. this is not a moment. this is actually, you know, like i say, a gener... |
A condition. | a, | A | a condition. |
Yeah, exactly. | yeah, | Yeah | yeah, exactly. |
Simmering resentment, is that fair to say? | simmering resentment is, that fair to | Simmering resentment is that fair to | simmering resentment, is that fair to say? |
Sure, simmering. But again, you know, we also don't want to give this image to the rest of the country that all black people walking around with these huge chips on their shoulders and, you know, ready to blow at any moment. | sure simmering but. again you know we also don't want to give this image to the rest of the country that all black people walking around with these huge chips on their shoulders and you. know ready to blow at any | Sure simmering But again you know we also don't want to, give this image to the rest of the country that all black people walking around with these huge chips on their shoulders and you know ready to blow at any | sure, simmering. but again, you know, we also don't want to give this image to the rest of the country that all black people walking around with these huge chips on their shoulders and, you know, ready to blow at any moment. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
A sort of a stereotype, and so in a way, you know, the anger really is - it's historical, it's long-standing and we have just learned how to cope with it, I suppose, channel it into, you know, constructive ways or just, kind of, set it aside and express it amongst each other, you know, go to church, you know, give back... | a sort of a stereotype and. so in a way you know, the. anger really is - it's historical it's. long-standing and, we have just, learned how to cope with it i suppose channel it into you, know constructive ways or just kind of set it. aside and express, it amongst each other you know go to church you know give back to c... | A sort of a stereotype and so in a way you know the anger really is - it's historical it's long-standing and we have just. learned how. to cope with it, I suppose channel it. into you know constructive ways or just kind of set it, aside and. express it amongst each other you know, go to church you, know give back to co... | a sort of a stereotype, and so in a way, you know, the anger really is - it's historical, it's long-standing and we have just learned how to cope with it, i suppose, channel it into, you know, constructive ways or just, kind of, set it aside and express it amongst each other, you know, go to church, you know, give back... |
Interesting. In his speech, Senator Obama was talking about some of the attitudes of older African-Americans like the Reverend Wright, which he said were a little bit, you know, passive. You're a younger woman, certainly far younger than me, and do you see a difference, generationally? | interesting in his speech senator obama was talking about some of the attitudes of older african-americans like the reverend wright which he; said were, a little. bit you know passive you're a. younger woman certainly far younger than me and do you see a, difference, | Interesting In his speech Senator Obama was talking about some of the attitudes of older African-Americans, like the Reverend Wright which he said were a little bit you know passive You're, a younger woman certainly. far. younger than me and do you see. a difference | interesting. in his speech, senator obama was talking about some of the attitudes of older african-americans like the reverend wright, which he said were a little bit, you know, passive. you're a younger woman, certainly far younger than me, and do you see a difference, generationally? |
Well, actually, you know, I am exactly Barack Obama's age. We are the - we're born in the same year. And I'm not as angry as my father, okay? He is still pretty, let's say, very dissatisfied with the way things are and I am also dissatisfied. I live in a different political era than my dad but I very much see things th... | well actually you know i am exactly barack obama's age we are the - we're born in the same year and i'm, not as angry as my father okay? he is still, pretty let's say very, dissatisfied with the way things are and i am also dissatisfied i, live in a different. political, era than my dad but i very much see; things; tha... | Well actually you, know I am exactly Barack, Obama's age We are the, - we're born in the same year And I'm not as angry as my father okay? He is still pretty let's say very dissatisfied with the way things are. and I am also dissatisfied, I live in a different political era than my dad but I very much see things that a... | well, actually, you know, i am exactly barack obama's age. we are the - we're born in the same year. and i'm not as angry as my father, okay? he is still pretty, let's say, very dissatisfied with the way things are and i am also dissatisfied. i live in a different political era than my dad but i very much see things th... |
Let's get some callers in on this conversation. Our number's 800-989-8255, e-mail is talk@npr.org. We're talking with Erin Aubry Kaplan, a contributing editor at the opinion page segment - section of the Los Angeles Times. And let's go to Roy(ph). And Roy is calling us from Cincinnati in Ohio. | let's get some callers in on this conversation our number's 800-989-8255, e-mail is talk@npr.org we're talking with erin. aubry kaplan a contributing editor at the opinion page segment - section; of the los angeles times and let's go, to roy(ph). and, roy is calling us from cincinnati in | Let's get some callers in. on this conversation Our, number's 800-989-8255, e-mail is talk@npr.org We're talking with. Erin Aubry Kaplan a contributing editor at the opinion page, segment - section of. the Los Angeles Times And let's go to Roy(ph). And Roy is calling us from Cincinnati in, | let's get some callers in on this conversation. our number's 800-989-8255, e-mail is talk@npr.org. we're talking with erin aubry kaplan, a contributing editor at the opinion page segment - section of the los angeles times. and let's go to roy(ph). and roy is calling us from cincinnati in ohio. |
Hello. | hello. | ||
Hi, Roy. | hi, | Hi | hi, roy. |
First, thank you for having me on and especially thank you for having this topic. It's been a long time since there's been an open discussion about race, where people are interested in absorbing information instead of just yelling and screaming. | first thank you for having me on and especially thank you for having. this topic, it's. been a long time. since there's been an open discussion about, race where people are interested; in absorbing information instead of just yelling and | First thank you for having me on and especially thank you for having this topic It's been a long time since there's been an open discussion about race where people are interested in absorbing information instead of just yelling, and | first, thank you for having me on and especially thank you for having this topic. it's been a long time since there's been an open discussion about race, where people are interested in absorbing information instead of just yelling and screaming. |
We may get to that later but… | we, may get, to that later | We may get to that later | we may get to that later but… |
I'm not (unintelligible)… | i'm not; | I'm not | i'm not (unintelligible)… |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of, | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
What I wanted to - what I wanted to bring out was - I'm biracial. My mother is white, my father's - and my father's black and I was raised by my white mother, lived in a black neighborhood and the whole complicated, convoluted situation with that. And I really talk about race very often. I talk about it at work, I talk... | what; i, wanted to - what i wanted to bring out was - i'm; biracial my mother is white my father's - and my father's black, and i was raised by my white. mother lived in a. black neighborhood and the whole complicated convoluted situation with, that and i really talk about race very, often; i; talk about it at work i t... | What I wanted; to - what I wanted to bring out. was, - I'm biracial. My mother is. white my father's - and my father's black. and I was raised by my white mother, lived in a black neighborhood, and the whole complicated convoluted situation with that And I really talk about race, very often I; talk about it at work I t... | what i wanted to - what i wanted to bring out was - i'm biracial. my mother is white, my father's - and my father's black and i was raised by my white mother, lived in a black neighborhood and the whole complicated, convoluted situation with that. and i really talk about race very often. i talk about it at work, i talk... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
She's a contributing editor to opinion of the section of the Los Angeles Times, and joined us today from the studios of NPR West in Culver City, California. | she's, a contributing editor to opinion of the section of the los angeles times and. joined, us today from the studios of. npr west in culver city | She's a contributing editor to opinion of the section of the Los Angeles, Times and joined us today from the studios of NPR West in Culver City; | she's a contributing editor to opinion of the section of the los angeles times, and joined us today from the studios of npr west in culver city, california. |
Yeah, as part of the surge. | yeah as; part of the | Yeah as, part of the | yeah, as part of the surge. |
And - but I found that they will be more prone to talk in a more intellectual way where they're this passionate. Whereas, the black people which I am related to as well will be much more, you know, relational, much more sympathetic and you'll be able to talk more about the things that have happened. | and - but i found that they will be more prone to talk in a more intellectual way where, they're this passionate whereas the; black people which i am related to as well will be much more, you know relational much more sympathetic and you'll be able to talk more, about the things; that have | And - but I found that they will be more prone to talk in a more intellectual way. where they're this passionate Whereas the. black people, which I am related, to as well will be much more you know relational much more sympathetic and you'll be able to talk more about the things that have | and - but i found that they will be more prone to talk in a more intellectual way where they're this passionate. whereas, the black people which i am related to as well will be much more, you know, relational, much more sympathetic and you'll be able to talk more about the things that have happened. |
It's clear to me that there's been a big divide in that view as for impact as well because blacks will - even if you deny it, eventually you will realize there is racism affecting you whereas the white people in my family, and white people that I have known, they actually believe that racism is gone or… | it's clear to me that there's been a big divide in that view. as for impact as well because blacks will - even if you deny it eventually. you will, realize. there is racism affecting you whereas the white people in my family and white people that i have known they actually believe; that racism is gone | It's clear to me that, there's been a big divide, in that view as for impact as well, because blacks will - even. if you deny it eventually you, will realize there, is racism affecting you, whereas the white people in my family and white people that I have known they actually believe. that racism. is gone | it's clear to me that there's been a big divide in that view as for impact as well because blacks will - even if you deny it, eventually you will realize there is racism affecting you whereas the white people in my family, and white people that i have known, they actually believe that racism is gone or… |
And do you find that they or you approach this subject on eggshells? | and do you find that they or you approach this subject on | And do you find that they or you approach this subject, on | and do you find that they or you approach this subject on eggshells? |
I know that when the Cincinnati riot happened back in 2001. On the next day, I went out into the street because I knew people had to talk about race. I went down to center of the city and talked to - just approached two strange middle-aged white guys to me and just started talking with them. And they were very hesitant... | i know. that when the cincinnati riot happened back in 2001. on the. next day i went out into the street because i knew people had to talk about race i went down to center of, the city and talked to - just approached two strange middle-aged white guys to me and just started talking with them and. they were very hesitan... | I know that when the Cincinnati riot happened back in 2001. On the next day I. went out into the street because I knew people had. to talk about race, I went down to center, of the city and talked, to - just approached two strange middle-aged white guys to me and just started talking with them. And they were very hesit... | i know that when the cincinnati riot happened back in 2001. on the next day, i went out into the street because i knew people had to talk about race. i went down to center of the city and talked to - just approached two strange middle-aged white guys to me and just started talking with them. and they were very hesitant... |
Erin Aubry Kaplan, you have a foot in two camps too? | erin aubry, kaplan you have a foot in two camps, | Erin Aubry Kaplan you have; a foot in two camps | erin aubry kaplan, you have a foot in two camps too? |
I do. | i | I | i do. |
Yup. And do you find that Roy's experience near as your own? | yup and do you find that roy's experience near as your | Yup And do you find that Roy's experience near as your; | yup. and do you find that roy's experience near as your own? |
Wait a minute, I'm sorry, my foot in two camps? | wait a, minute i'm sorry, my, foot in. two | Wait a minute I'm sorry my foot, in two | wait a minute, i'm sorry, my foot in two camps? |
Yes, your husband is white? | yes your husband is | Yes your husband is | yes, your husband is white? |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
And doesn't that give you some opportunity to talk to his family too? | and doesn't that give, you some opportunity to. talk to. his family | And doesn't, that give you some opportunity to talk to his family | and doesn't that give you some opportunity to talk to his family too? |
Well, you know, the foot - of course, it does. Although I have to say we live in a - in a mostly black neighborhood, so that's interesting, you know, in one sense. But, you know, I think Roy brings up a very good point. This has to do with context. You know, depends on who you're talking too, you know, if you're talkin... | well you know the. foot - of course it does although; i have to say we live in a - in a mostly black neighborhood so that's interesting you know in. one sense but you know, i think roy brings up a very good point this has to do with context. you know depends on who you're talking too you know if you're talking to white... | Well you know the foot - of. course it does Although I have. to say we live in a - in a; mostly black neighborhood so that's interesting you know in one sense But you know I, think Roy brings up a very good point This has. to do with context You know depends on who you're talking too you know if, you're talking to whit... | well, you know, the foot - of course, it does. although i have to say we live in a - in a mostly black neighborhood, so that's interesting, you know, in one sense. but, you know, i think roy brings up a very good point. this has to do with context. you know, depends on who you're talking too, you know, if you're talkin... |
Well, if I could add, real quick, to that, it's my belief is that the reason why it's - they would rather talk about that intellectually is because it's not, in effect, what they feel | well if, i could add real quick to that it's my belief is that the reason, why it's - they would rather talk about that intellectually; is because it's not in effect what they | Well if I could add real. quick, to that it's my belief is that. the reason why it's - they would rather talk, about that intellectually is because it's not in effect what they | well, if i could add, real quick, to that, it's my belief is that the reason why it's - they would rather talk about that intellectually is because it's not, in effect, what they feel |
Right. | right. | ||
…it's something that they see. | …it's something that they | …it's, something that they | …it's something that they see. |
Not part of your experience. | not part of your | Not; part of your | not part of your experience. |
They are removed from it. | they are removed from | They, are removed from. | they are removed from it. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Right. Right, you're absolutely right. And I think that that contributes to, you know, people being shocked, like in instances with, you know, with Pastor Wright being shocked to, quote, unquote, "hear this things," he hear this kind of feeling because they simply don't, they don't hear, and they don't see it and they ... | right. right, you're absolutely right and i; think that that contributes to you know people being shocked like in instances with you know with pastor wright being. shocked to quote unquote "hear this things" he hear this kind of, feeling because they simply don't they don't hear and, they don't see it and they. don't e... | Right Right you're absolutely right And I think, that that contributes to you know people being shocked. like in instances with you know with Pastor Wright being shocked to quote, unquote "hear this things" he hear this kind of feeling because they simply don't they don't hear and they don't see, it and they don't expe... | right. right, you're absolutely right. and i think that that contributes to, you know, people being shocked, like in instances with, you know, with pastor wright being shocked to, quote, unquote, "hear this things," he hear this kind of feeling because they simply don't, they don't hear, and they don't see it and they ... |
Roy, thanks very much for the call. | roy thanks very much for the | Roy thanks very much for the | roy, thanks very much for the call. |
You're welcome. And I wanted to add one more thing is that actually I do get to see both sides in the situation that I'm in because will hear one side say how ridiculous the other side is being, no matter which side it was. | you're welcome and i wanted to add one more thing is that actually. i do get. to see both sides, in the situation. that i'm in because will hear one side say, how ridiculous the other side is being no matter which side it | You're; welcome And I wanted to add one more thing; is that actually I do get to see both sides. in the situation that I'm in because will hear one side, say how ridiculous the other, side is being no matter which side it, | you're welcome. and i wanted to add one more thing is that actually i do get to see both sides in the situation that i'm in because will hear one side say how ridiculous the other side is being, no matter which side it was. |
Okay. | okay. | ||
Yeah, I get that too. | yeah i get that | Yeah I get that | yeah, i get that too. |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
Thanks very much, Roy. Good luck to you. | thanks very much roy good, luck, to | Thanks. very, much Roy, Good luck to | thanks very much, roy. good luck to you. |
Thanks. | thanks. | ||
Let's talk - see if we can get Jan(ph) in. Jan is calling us from Las Vegas, in Nevada. | let's talk - see. if we can get jan(ph) in jan is, calling us from las vegas in | Let's talk - see if we can get Jan(ph) in Jan is calling us from Las Vegas in | let's talk - see if we can get jan(ph) in. jan is calling us from las vegas, in nevada. |
Hello. | hello. | ||
Hi. | hi. | ||
Well, I'm calling because I was raised in Texas in a white family, and my mother thought - I heard - grew up hearing terrible racial epithets. Sometimes, I still hear them. And I'm embarrassed to hear them, but she has become a Barack Obama fan, and so that I'm very thrilled to see that happen. | well i'm calling because i was raised in texas in a white family and my mother thought - i. heard - grew up, hearing terrible racial epithets sometimes i still hear them and i'm embarrassed. to hear them but she has become a barack, obama fan and so that i'm very thrilled to see that | Well I'm calling because I was raised in Texas in a white family and my mother thought - I heard - grew up hearing, terrible racial epithets Sometimes I still hear them And I'm embarrassed to hear them, but she has become a Barack Obama fan and so that I'm very thrilled to see that | well, i'm calling because i was raised in texas in a white family, and my mother thought - i heard - grew up hearing terrible racial epithets. sometimes, i still hear them. and i'm embarrassed to hear them, but she has become a barack obama fan, and so that i'm very thrilled to see that happen. |
Hmm. | hmm. | ||
And that, so that, but even I, at this level of my life, I'm almost 60, I'm still learning. My African-American friends that little ways that we hurt other people, just little assumptions you're making, you know, I have a very young African-American friend and they're very dearly to, you know, let me know that I've sai... | and that, so, that but even i at this. level of my life i'm almost 60, i'm still learning my african-american friends that little ways that we hurt other, people just little; assumptions you're making you. know i, have a very young african-american friend. and they're very dearly to you know let me know that i've said ... | And that so. that but even I at, this level of my life I'm almost 60, I'm still, learning, My, African-American friends that little ways that we. hurt other people just little assumptions you're making you know I have a very young African-American friend. and they're very dearly to you know let me know that I've said t... | and that, so that, but even i, at this level of my life, i'm almost 60, i'm still learning. my african-american friends that little ways that we hurt other people, just little assumptions you're making, you know, i have a very young african-american friend and they're very dearly to, you know, let me know that i've sai... |
Hmm. Well, that's great. | hmm well that's | Hmm Well that's | hmm. well, that's great. |
That's great, Jan. Thanks very much. | that's great jan. thanks very | That's great Jan Thanks very | that's great, jan. thanks very much. |
Okay. | okay. | ||
Bye-bye. | bye-bye. | ||
Bye-bye. | bye-bye. | ||
And Erin Aubry Kaplan, we'd like to thank you for your time today. | and erin aubry kaplan we'd like to thank, you, for your time | And Erin Aubry, Kaplan we'd. like to thank. you for your time | and erin aubry kaplan, we'd like to thank you for your time today. |
Thank you, Neal. Good to be here. | thank you neal good to be | Thank you Neal Good to be | thank you, neal. good to be here. |
Erin Aubry Kaplan, nice to have you with us. | erin aubry kaplan nice to have you with. | Erin Aubry Kaplan nice to have you with | erin aubry kaplan, nice to have you with us. |
Hi. Yes. Hi. This is Mike. | hi yes hi this is | Hi Yes Hi This is | hi. yes. hi. this is mike. |
Go ahead. | go. | Go | go ahead. |
This week, in particular, the country is talking about race, so are we. Coming up we'll hear one view of how many white people think about race, and why they don't talk about it. We want to hear your stories this hour, 800-989-8255. E-mail, talk@npr.org. | this week in particular the country is talking about race so are we coming up we'll hear one view of how many white people think about. race and why they don't talk about it we want to hear your stories this hour, 800-989-8255. e-mail | This week. in particular the country is talking about race so are we Coming up we'll hear one view of how many white people think about race and why they don't talk about it We want, to hear your stories this hour 800-989-8255. E-mail | this week, in particular, the country is talking about race, so are we. coming up we'll hear one view of how many white people think about race, and why they don't talk about it. we want to hear your stories this hour, 800-989-8255. e-mail, talk@npr.org. |
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