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Earlier this month, a front-page bombshell in The New York Times reported that Richard Blumenthal claimed that he served in the war in Vietnam when, in fact, he obtained five military deferments and then joined the Marine Corps Reserve, which allowed him to spend all his time in uniform stateside. Blumenthal is current... | earlier this, month a front-page bombshell, in the new york times reported that. richard blumenthal claimed that he served in the war in vietnam, when in, fact he obtained five military deferments and then joined the marine corps reserve, which allowed him to spend all his time in uniform stateside blumenthal is curren... | Earlier this month a front-page bombshell in The, New York Times reported that Richard Blumenthal claimed that he served, in the war in Vietnam when in fact he obtained five military deferments and then joined the Marine Corps Reserve which allowed him to spend, all his time in uniform stateside Blumenthal is currently... | earlier this month, a front-page bombshell in the new york times reported that richard blumenthal claimed that he served in the war in vietnam when, in fact, he obtained five military deferments and then joined the marine corps reserve, which allowed him to spend all his time in uniform stateside. blumenthal is current... |
In an op-ed in The Times, former South Dakota Senator Larry Pressler wrote that he was among many who opposed the war, but when drafted, reported for duty. I don't fault anyone for taking advantage of the law, he wrote. Where I do find fault is among those who say they were avoiding the draft because they were idealist... | in an op-ed in. the times former south dakota senator larry, pressler wrote that he was among many who opposed the war but when drafted reported. for duty i don't fault anyone for taking advantage, of the law he wrote; where i do find fault is among those who, say, they were avoiding the draft because they were idealis... | In an op-ed in The Times former South Dakota Senator Larry Pressler wrote that he was among many, who opposed the war but when drafted reported for duty. I don't fault anyone for taking. advantage of the law he wrote Where I do find fault is among those who say they were avoiding the draft because they were idealistica... | in an op-ed in the times, former south dakota senator larry pressler wrote that he was among many who opposed the war, but when drafted, reported for duty. i don't fault anyone for taking advantage of the law, he wrote. where i do find fault is among those who say they were avoiding the draft because they were idealist... |
If you were of military age during the war in Vietnam, how do you explain your decisions? Tell us your story: 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org. You can also join the conversation at our website. That's at npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION. | if you were of, military age during the war in vietnam how do you explain, your. decisions? tell us your story: 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org you can also join the conversation at our website that's at npr.org, click on talk of the | If. you were of, military age during. the war in Vietnam how do you. explain your decisions? Tell us your; story: 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org, You can also, join the conversation at, our website That's at npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE | if you were of military age during the war in vietnam, how do you explain your decisions? tell us your story: 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org. you can also join the conversation at our website. that's at npr.org. click on talk of the nation. |
Former Senator Pressler joins us here in Studio 3A. And, sir, nice to have you with us today. | former senator pressler joins us here in studio 3a and sir. nice to have you with us | Former Senator Pressler joins us here in Studio 3A. And sir nice to have you with us | former senator pressler joins us here in studio 3a. and, sir, nice to have you with us today. |
Thank you very much. | thank you, very | Thank you, very | thank you very much. |
And, Senator, younger listeners need to be reminded that there was a draft for most of that time that was supposed to make all of this fair, but you could get a deferment if you were a college student, if you were medically or psychologically unfit. Or if you joined the Reserves, there was an understanding you would no... | and; senator younger listeners need to be reminded that there was, a draft for most of that time, that was supposed to, make all of this fair but, you could get a deferment if you were a college student if you were medically or psychologically unfit or if, you joined the reserves there was an understanding you would no... | And Senator younger listeners need to be. reminded that there was a draft for most of that time that was supposed to make; all of this fair but you could. get a deferment if; you were a college student if you were medically or psychologically unfit Or if you joined the Reserves there. was, an understanding you would no... | and, senator, younger listeners need to be reminded that there was a draft for most of that time that was supposed to make all of this fair, but you could get a deferment if you were a college student, if you were medically or psychologically unfit. or if you joined the reserves, there was an understanding you would no... |
Well, that is correct. And my point is not to criticize anybody, but rather to point out that some of the divisions in our society today - be it the lack of ethics on Wall Street or in Washington - might have had their origins in some of the cracks that we had at that time. | well that is correct and my point is, not to criticize anybody but rather to point out that. some of the divisions in our society today - be it the lack of ethics on wall street or in washington - might have had, their. origins in some of the cracks that we had at that | Well that. is, correct And, my point is not to criticize anybody but rather to, point out that some of the divisions in our society today - be it the lack of ethics on Wall Street or in Washington - might have had their origins in some of the cracks, that we had at that | well, that is correct. and my point is not to criticize anybody, but rather to point out that some of the divisions in our society today - be it the lack of ethics on wall street or in washington - might have had their origins in some of the cracks that we had at that time. |
For example, most of those who did not serve went on to very high careers, because they had three or four years of - extra years in their career. And they are now the editors of papers or members of Congress or members of the Cabinet, and so forth. And this has had two policy results, I think. The first one is that in ... | for example most of those. who did not, serve went on to very high careers because they, had three or, four; years of - extra years in their career and they are now the editors of papers or, members of congress or members of the. cabinet and so forth and this has had two, policy results i think the first one is that in... | For example most of those who did not serve went on to very high careers because they. had three or four, years of - extra years in their career And they, are now the, editors of papers or members of Congress or members of the Cabinet and so forth And this has had two, policy results I think The first one, is that in t... | for example, most of those who did not serve went on to very high careers, because they had three or four years of - extra years in their career. and they are now the editors of papers or members of congress or members of the cabinet, and so forth. and this has had two policy results, i think. the first one is that in ... |
Overcompensation, you think? | overcompensation you | Overcompensation you | overcompensation, you think? |
I think maybe so. Then the second result - policy result is maybe an over-praising of the military today, if that's possible. At the time I was in the military, it was very difficult to wear one's uniform on the streets of, let's say, San Francisco. Because at that time, the standard was that anybody who served was par... | i think maybe so then the second result - policy result is maybe an over-praising. of the military today if that's possible at the time i was. in, the military it was very difficult to wear one's uniform on the, streets of let's; say san, francisco because at that time the standard was that; anybody who served was. par... | I think maybe so Then the second result. - policy result is maybe an over-praising of the military today if, that's possible At the time I was in the military it was very difficult to wear one's uniform on the streets of let's say San Francisco Because at that; time the standard was that anybody who served, was part of... | i think maybe so. then the second result - policy result is maybe an over-praising of the military today, if that's possible. at the time i was in the military, it was very difficult to wear one's uniform on the streets of, let's say, san francisco. because at that time, the standard was that anybody who served was par... |
So the people who resisted - or who didn't serve wrapped themselves in idealism, but they knew that that really was a lie, in a sense, because I knew that during my time at Oxford and Harvard, many students expressed to me that they just didn't want to go because they didn't want to fight in the war. And - but more imp... | so the people who resisted. - or who didn't serve wrapped themselves in idealism but, they knew that that really was, a lie in a sense because i knew that during my time at oxford and harvard many, students, expressed to me that they just didn't want to go because they didn't want to fight in the war and - but more imp... | So the people who resisted - or who didn't serve wrapped themselves in idealism but they knew that that really was a lie in a sense because I knew that during my time at Oxford and Harvard many students expressed to me that they just didn't want to go because they didn't want to fight. in the, war And - but more import... | so the people who resisted - or who didn't serve wrapped themselves in idealism, but they knew that that really was a lie, in a sense, because i knew that during my time at oxford and harvard, many students expressed to me that they just didn't want to go because they didn't want to fight in the war. and - but more imp... |
Oh, I think you're already in a big fight about it. | oh i think you're already in a big fight, about | Oh I think you're already in a big fight about. | oh, i think you're already in a big fight about it. |
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Okay. That has led us down to - I call it the technicality generation. If it's technically correct, it is legal - I mean, it is moral. And that is why we have so many problems on Wall Street with -about derivatives and things like that. My generation, we have - we're divided in many camps as a result, in part, of the V... | okay that has led us down to - i call it the, technicality generation if it's technically. correct it is legal - i mean it is moral and. that is why we have so many problems on wall street with -about derivatives and things like that my generation we have - we're divided in many camps as a result in part. of the vietna... | Okay That has led us down to - I call it the technicality generation If, it's technically correct it is. legal - I, mean it is moral And that is why we have so. many problems on Wall Street with -about. derivatives and things like that My generation we have, - we're divided in many camps as a result in part of the Viet... | okay. that has led us down to - i call it the technicality generation. if it's technically correct, it is legal - i mean, it is moral. and that is why we have so many problems on wall street with -about derivatives and things like that. my generation, we have - we're divided in many camps as a result, in part, of the v... |
Because they were overrepresented because - the - most of the college students that got deferments were not poor and African-American. I assume, sir, you're not questioning, in any sense, those who claim to be conscientious objectors or those who were willing to go to prison for their beliefs. | because, they were overrepresented because - the - most of; the college students that. got deferments were not poor and. african-american i assume sir you're not questioning in, any sense those who claim to be conscientious objectors or. those who, were willing to go to prison, for their | Because they were overrepresented because - the - most of the college students that got deferments were not poor and African-American I assume sir you're not, questioning in any sense those, who claim to be conscientious objectors or those who were willing to go to prison for their | because they were overrepresented because - the - most of the college students that got deferments were not poor and african-american. i assume, sir, you're not questioning, in any sense, those who claim to be conscientious objectors or those who were willing to go to prison for their beliefs. |
No, no, no. I admire them. I admire Cassius Clay, Muhammad Ali. And I'm really not attacking the others. I'm just trying to say: Where do we go from here? | no no no i admire them i admire cassius clay muhammad ali and i'm really not attacking. the others i'm just trying to say: where do we go from. | No no no I admire them I admire Cassius Clay Muhammad. Ali And I'm. really not attacking the others I'm, just. trying to say: Where. do we go from | no, no, no. i admire them. i admire cassius clay, muhammad ali. and i'm really not attacking the others. i'm just trying to say: where do we go from here? |
I do think, in the future, we should have a universal service requirement that would be carried out with a lottery. We don't need everybody, but - not just for the military, but for other - so people would have a duty to serve their country. | i do think in the future we, should have a universal service requirement that would be carried out with a lottery we don't need everybody but - not just for the military but for other. - so people, would have a duty to serve their | I do think in the future we should have a universal service requirement that would be carried out with a lottery We don't need everybody but - not just for the military but, for other - so people. would have a duty to serve their | i do think, in the future, we should have a universal service requirement that would be carried out with a lottery. we don't need everybody, but - not just for the military, but for other - so people would have a duty to serve their country. |
Eventually, the draft was resolved, that all of this system and these classifications were inherently unfair. And there was a draft lottery, and everybody was involved. And there were no deferments except for medical deferments. | eventually the draft was resolved that all of this system and these classifications were inherently. unfair and there was a draft lottery and everybody was involved and there were no deferments except for medical | Eventually the draft was resolved that all of this system and these classifications were inherently unfair And there was a, draft. lottery and. everybody was involved And there were no deferments except for. medical | eventually, the draft was resolved, that all of this system and these classifications were inherently unfair. and there was a draft lottery, and everybody was involved. and there were no deferments except for medical deferments. |
That's right. From 1969 on, it became much more fair. But from about 1963 to '69 is probably the most unfair draft since - maybe since Lincoln's Civil War draft, which was strongly protested in New York City. | that's right from 1969 on it became much more fair but from about 1963 to '69 is probably. the most unfair draft since - maybe since lincoln's civil war draft which. was strongly, protested in new york | That's right From 1969 on it became much more fair But from about 1963 to '69 is probably the most. unfair draft since - maybe since Lincoln's Civil War, draft which was strongly protested in New York | that's right. from 1969 on, it became much more fair. but from about 1963 to '69 is probably the most unfair draft since - maybe since lincoln's civil war draft, which was strongly protested in new york city. |
Where you could also buy your way out. You can have a... | where you could also buy your, way out, you can have. | Where you could also buy your way out You can have | where you could also buy your way out. you can have a... |
Yes, yes. | yes | Yes | yes, yes. |
Hey, I'm good. And yourself? | hey i'm good and | Hey I'm good, And | hey, i'm good. and yourself? |
What item to take on vacation consists of a car engine part plus a period of time? | what item to take on. vacation consists, of a car engine part. plus a period; of, | What item to take on, vacation consists of, a car engine part plus a period of | what item to take on vacation consists of a car engine part plus a period of time? |
Mm-hmm. A… | mm-hmm, | Mm-hmm | mm-hmm. a… |
Think of a long period of time. | think of a. long period of | Think of a long period of | think of a long period of time. |
Well, an era. | well an | Well an | well, an era. |
Yes. | yes. | ||
And… | and… | ||
Huh… | huh… | ||
What would you take… | what would you | What would you | what would you take… |
Oh, camera. | oh | Oh | oh, camera. |
Oh, yeah. | oh | Oh | oh, yeah. |
A camera is - you go on vacation. What is zodiac symbol consists of a geometric line plus a pronoun. And think of a curved the line. | a camera; is - you go on vacation what is zodiac symbol, consists of, a geometric line plus a pronoun and think of a curved the | A camera is - you go on vacation What is zodiac symbol consists of a geometric line plus, a pronoun And think of a curved the | a camera is - you go on vacation. what is zodiac symbol consists of a geometric line plus a pronoun. and think of a curved the line. |
Okay, like an arc. | okay like an | Okay like an | okay, like an arc. |
Yes. A zodiac symbol - not a sign but a symbol. | yes a zodiac symbol - not a sign but a | Yes A zodiac symbol - not a sign but a | yes. a zodiac symbol - not a sign but a symbol. |
Oh. And the pronoun - her. | oh and, the pronoun | Oh And the pronoun | oh. and the pronoun - her. |
Yes. | yes. | ||
Archer. | archer. | ||
Archer, good. | archer | Archer | archer, good. |
Archer good. And here's your last one: What form of writing consists of a famous writer plus an attempt? | archer good and here's your last one: what form, of writing consists of a famous writer plus an | Archer good And here's your last one: What, form of writing consists, of a, famous writer plus; an | archer good. and here's your last one: what form of writing consists of a famous writer plus an attempt? |
And an attempt, which would be a try. | and an attempt which would be, a | And an attempt, which would be. a | and an attempt, which would be a try. |
Yes. | yes. | ||
Poetry. | poetry. | ||
Poetry. | poetry. | ||
Poetry. Edgar Allan Poe. | poetry edgar allan | Poetry Edgar Allan | poetry. edgar allan poe. |
Nice work. Bernadette… | nice work | Nice work | nice work. bernadette… |
Okay. | okay. | ||
…well done. | …well | …well | …well done. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
You're quite welcome. | you're quite | You're quite | you're quite welcome. |
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Bernadette, what member station do you listen to? | bernadette what member station do, you listen | Bernadette what member station do you listen | bernadette, what member station do you listen to? |
I listen to KLCC from Eugene, which is rebroadcast as KLCO in Newport. | i listen to klcc from eugene which. is. rebroadcast as klco in | I listen to KLCC from Eugene which is rebroadcast as KLCO in | i listen to klcc from eugene, which is rebroadcast as klco in newport. |
All right. Bernadette Solano from Pacific City Oregon. Thanks for playing with us today. | all right bernadette solano from pacific city oregon thanks for playing with, us. | All right Bernadette Solano from Pacific City Oregon, Thanks for playing with us | all right. bernadette solano from pacific city oregon. thanks for playing with us today. |
It's been my pleasure. Thank you. | it's been. my pleasure thank | It's been my, pleasure Thank | it's been my pleasure. thank you. |
Our pleasure as well. | our pleasure as | Our pleasure as | our pleasure as well. |
All right, Will, a challenge please for next week. | all right will a challenge please for. next | All right. Will a challenge please for next | all right, will, a challenge please for next week. |
Yes. It comes from listener Scott Murphy, who's a professor at the University of Kansas in of Lawrence, Kansas. | yes it comes from listener scott, murphy, who's a professor at the university of kansas in of lawrence | Yes It, comes from listener Scott Murphy who's a professor at the University of Kansas in of Lawrence | yes. it comes from listener scott murphy, who's a professor at the university of kansas in of lawrence, kansas. |
Take the word near - N-E-A-R. If you shift each of its consonants to the next consonant of the alphabet, and each of its vowels to the next vowel in the alphabet, you get the word pies - P-I-E-S. Find a one-word title of a famous novel that was made into a film that, if you shift each of its consonants and vowels in th... | take the word, near - n-e-a-r if you, shift each of its consonants to the next, consonant of; the alphabet and each of its vowels to the next vowel; in the, alphabet you get the word pies - p-i-e-s find a one-word title of a, famous novel that; was made into a film. that if you shift. each of its consonants and vowels ... | Take the word. near - N-E-A-R, If you shift each of its consonants to the. next, consonant of the alphabet and each of its vowels to the next vowel in the, alphabet you get the word pies - P-I-E-S Find a one-word title; of a famous novel that was made into a film that if you shift each of its consonants and; vowels in ... | take the word near - n-e-a-r. if you shift each of its consonants to the next consonant of the alphabet, and each of its vowels to the next vowel in the alphabet, you get the word pies - p-i-e-s. find a one-word title of a famous novel that was made into a film that, if you shift each of its consonants and vowels in th... |
So again, the example is near - N-E-A-R. Shift each of the consonants one consonant later and each of the vowels, one vowel later. You get pies - P-I-E-S. Find a one-word title of a famous novel made into a film. Shift each of its consonants and vowels later in the alphabet as in the example. This will give you another... | so again. the example is near - n-e-a-r shift each of the consonants one consonant later and each of the vowels one vowel later, you get; pies, - p-i-e-s. find a one-word title of a, famous novel made into a film. shift each of its consonants. and vowels later, in the alphabet as in the example this will give, you anot... | So again the example is near - N-E-A-R Shift each of the consonants one consonant later and each of the vowels one vowel later, You get pies. - P-I-E-S Find a one-word title of a famous novel made into a film Shift each of its consonants and vowels later in the, alphabet as in the example This, will give you another. o... | so again, the example is near - n-e-a-r. shift each of the consonants one consonant later and each of the vowels, one vowel later. you get pies - p-i-e-s. find a one-word title of a famous novel made into a film. shift each of its consonants and vowels later in the alphabet as in the example. this will give you another... |
What novels and films are these? | what novels and films are | What novels and films are | what novels and films are these? |
Wow. Here we go. When you have the answer, go to our Web site, nrp.org, and click on the Submit Your Answer link on the Sunday Puzzle page. Only one entry per person, please. And our deadline this week is Thursday, 3 p.m., Eastern time. Please include a phone number were we can reach you at about that time and we'll ca... | wow here we go when you have, the answer go to our web site nrp.org and click on the submit your answer link on the sunday puzzle page only one entry per person. please and our deadline this week is thursday; 3 p.m., eastern time please include a phone number were we can reach you at; about that time and we'll call you... | Wow Here we go. When you, have the answer go to. our Web site nrp.org and click on the Submit Your Answer link on the Sunday Puzzle, page Only one entry per person please And our deadline this week is Thursday 3 p.m., Eastern time Please include a phone number were. we can reach you at about that time and we'll call yo... | wow. here we go. when you have the answer, go to our web site, nrp.org, and click on the submit your answer link on the sunday puzzle page. only one entry per person, please. and our deadline this week is thursday, 3 p.m., eastern time. please include a phone number were we can reach you at about that time and we'll ca... |
Thanks a lot, Will. | thanks a lot | Thanks a lot | thanks a lot, will. |
Thanks, Liane. | thanks | Thanks | thanks, liane. |
This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal. conan in | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Neal Conan in | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. |
In Milwaukee, small disputes escalate to assaults and even murder. In Philadelphia, the rising homicide rate has so frustrated police that they're enforcing a 10:30 p.m. curfew on juveniles in South Philly. And here in the nation's capital, a series of brutal crimes prompted the police chief to declare a crime emergenc... | in milwaukee small disputes escalate to assaults and even murder in philadelphia the rising homicide rate. has, so frustrated police that they're enforcing a 10:30 p.m curfew on; juveniles in south, philly and here in the nation's capital a series of brutal crimes prompted the police chief to declare a crime | In Milwaukee small disputes escalate to, assaults and even murder In Philadelphia the rising homicide rate has so frustrated police that they're enforcing a 10:30 p.m curfew on juveniles. in South Philly And here in the nation's capital a series of brutal crimes prompted the police chief. to declare a crime | in milwaukee, small disputes escalate to assaults and even murder. in philadelphia, the rising homicide rate has so frustrated police that they're enforcing a 10:30 p.m. curfew on juveniles in south philly. and here in the nation's capital, a series of brutal crimes prompted the police chief to declare a crime emergenc... |
An FBI report out earlier this summer pointed to a small but noticeable up-tick in violent crime in some cities, but statistics are notoriously hard to decipher when it comes to crime and often vulnerable to political manipulation. | an fbi report out earlier this summer, pointed to a small but. noticeable up-tick in violent crime in, some cities but statistics are notoriously hard to decipher when it comes to crime and often vulnerable to political. | An FBI report out earlier this summer; pointed to a small but, noticeable up-tick in violent crime in some cities. but statistics are notoriously hard to decipher. when. it comes to crime and, often vulnerable to political | an fbi report out earlier this summer pointed to a small but noticeable up-tick in violent crime in some cities, but statistics are notoriously hard to decipher when it comes to crime and often vulnerable to political manipulation. |
This hour, we'll crunch the numbers and talk about whether we're trapped in a statistical anomaly or the rising tide of a crime wave, and we'll find out how some cities are responding. We want to hear from you as well. What's happening where you live? If crime's up, what's wrong? If it's down, what's working? Our numbe... | this hour we'll crunch the numbers, and talk about whether we're, trapped in a statistical anomaly or the rising tide of a crime wave and we'll find out how some cities are responding, we want to hear from you as well what's happening where you live? if crime's up what's wrong? if it's down what's working? our number, ... | This hour. we'll crunch the; numbers and talk, about whether we're trapped in a statistical anomaly or the rising; tide of a crime wave and we'll find out how some cities are responding, We want to hear, from you as well What's happening where you live? If crime's up what's wrong? If it's down what's, working? Our numb... | this hour, we'll crunch the numbers and talk about whether we're trapped in a statistical anomaly or the rising tide of a crime wave, and we'll find out how some cities are responding. we want to hear from you as well. what's happening where you live? if crime's up, what's wrong? if it's down, what's working? our numbe... |
Later in the hour, we'll talk with the author of a new history of the adventures and influence of ambassadors. But first, crime in American cities. | later in the hour we'll talk with the, author of a new history of the adventures and influence of ambassadors but first crime in american | Later in the hour we'll talk with the author of a new history of the adventures and influence of ambassadors But first crime in American | later in the hour, we'll talk with the author of a new history of the adventures and influence of ambassadors. but first, crime in american cities. |
And we begin with Marc Fisher, metro columnist for The Washington Post, who's been writing about violent crime here in Washington and about the city's response. He's with us from the studios at The Washington Post. Nice to you have you on the program, Marc. | and, we begin with marc fisher metro columnist for, the washington post, who's been writing. about violent crime here in washington and about the city's response he's with us from; the studios at the washington post nice to you have you on the program | And we begin with Marc Fisher metro columnist; for The Washington Post who's been writing about violent crime here in Washington, and about the city's response He's; with; us from the studios at The Washington Post Nice to you have you on the program | and we begin with marc fisher, metro columnist for the washington post, who's been writing about violent crime here in washington and about the city's response. he's with us from the studios at the washington post. nice to you have you on the program, marc. |
Thanks, Neal. | thanks. | Thanks. | thanks, neal. |
Matt Apuzzo, thanks. | matt apuzzo | Matt Apuzzo | matt apuzzo, thanks. |
...substitute go in for you. In any case, if you'd like to talk with former Senator Pressler about his remarks: 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org. And let's start with Mike, and Mike's with us from Le Grande in Oregon. | ...substitute, go in for you in any case if you'd like to. talk with former senator pressler about his, remarks: 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org and, let's start with mike and mike's with us from le grande in | ...substitute go in, for you In any case if you'd like to talk. with former Senator Pressler about his remarks: 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org, And let's start with. Mike and Mike's with us from Le Grande in | ...substitute go in for you. in any case, if you'd like to talk with former senator pressler about his remarks: 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org. and let's start with mike, and mike's with us from le grande in oregon. |
Yes, good afternoon. | yes good | Yes good | yes, good afternoon. |
Afternoon. | afternoon. | ||
I - pardon me. I graduated from high school in June of 1965 in New York, and then I was enrolled at University of California, Berkeley in September of 1965. | i - pardon me. i graduated from, high school in, june of 1965 in new york and then i was enrolled at university of california berkeley in september of | I - pardon me I graduated from high school in June of 1965 in New York and, then I was, enrolled at University of California, Berkeley in September of | i - pardon me. i graduated from high school in june of 1965 in new york, and then i was enrolled at university of california, berkeley in september of 1965. |
Real briefly, when I left high school, I was fairly wishy-washy on the war. I thought perhaps it might be a good war. I got the school at Berkeley and looked around and really got - not only the left, but the right. There were also people on the right with booze there all the time. So I got a pretty fair representation... | real briefly, when i left high school. i, was fairly wishy-washy on the war i thought perhaps it might be a good war i got the school at berkeley and looked around and, really got - not only the left but the right there were also people on. the right with booze there. all the time so i got a pretty fair representation ... | Real briefly when I left high school I was fairly wishy-washy on the war. I thought. perhaps it might. be a. good war I got, the school at Berkeley and looked around and really got - not only the left but the right There, were also people on the right with, booze there all the time So I got a pretty fair representation... | real briefly, when i left high school, i was fairly wishy-washy on the war. i thought perhaps it might be a good war. i got the school at berkeley and looked around and really got - not only the left, but the right. there were also people on the right with booze there all the time. so i got a pretty fair representation... |
I came to feel that it was a really wrong and immoral war, that it was not in the defense of our country, and there was no way I was going to go anywhere and kill people for reasons that I did not believe in. And so through various reasons and ways, I didn't serve. | i came to feel that it was a really wrong and immoral war that it was not in the defense of, our country and there was no, way i, was going to go anywhere and kill people for reasons that i did not believe in and so through various reasons and ways. i didn't | I came to feel that it was a really, wrong and immoral war that it was not in the defense of; our country and there was no way I. was going to go anywhere and kill people for reasons that I did not believe in And so through various reasons and ways I didn't. | i came to feel that it was a really wrong and immoral war, that it was not in the defense of our country, and there was no way i was going to go anywhere and kill people for reasons that i did not believe in. and so through various reasons and ways, i didn't serve. |
Let me say that I think about this pretty regularly. I'm reading a really book on the Vietnam War, a novel called "Matterhorn" by Karl Marlantes. He served. And it's very detailed and excruciating story of guys that were there. And I think I feel now, still, that it was a wrong and immoral war, and my bone to pick with... | let me say that i think about this. pretty regularly i'm reading a really book on. the vietnam war a, novel. called "matterhorn" by karl marlantes he served and, it's. very detailed and excruciating story of, guys that were there and i think i feel now still that it was a, wrong and. immoral war and my bone to pick, wi... | Let me; say that I think about this pretty regularly I'm reading a. really book on the Vietnam War a novel called "Matterhorn" by Karl Marlantes He served And. it's very detailed and; excruciating story. of guys, that were, there And; I think I feel now still that it was a wrong and immoral war and my bone to pick with... | let me say that i think about this pretty regularly. i'm reading a really book on the vietnam war, a novel called "matterhorn" by karl marlantes. he served. and it's very detailed and excruciating story of guys that were there. and i think i feel now, still, that it was a wrong and immoral war, and my bone to pick with... |
And I don't believe that division of the country is ever going to heal until people of my age and generation pass on. It's still there. It's still real, and Senator Pressler, I believe, is exacerbating it. | and, i don't believe that division of the country is ever going to heal, until people of my age and generation pass on. it's still there it's still. real and, senator pressler i believe is exacerbating | And I don't believe that division of the. country is ever going to. heal until people. of my age and generation pass on It's still there It's still real and Senator Pressler I believe is exacerbating, | and i don't believe that division of the country is ever going to heal until people of my age and generation pass on. it's still there. it's still real, and senator pressler, i believe, is exacerbating it. |
Okay, well, I thank you for those comments. Actually, I'm trying to do the same thing you're doing, and probably you and I have more agreement than disagreement. I'm not really condemning anybody. I just wrote a piece in The Times saying that I think exactly what you said, that a lot of the ethical problems - not in th... | okay well i thank you for those, comments actually i'm trying to do the same thing you're doing and probably you and i have more agreement than disagreement i'm not really condemning anybody i just wrote a piece in the times saying that. i think exactly what you said that a, lot, of the; ethical problems - not in the, ... | Okay well I thank you for those comments Actually I'm trying to do the same thing you're doing and probably you and I have more agreement than disagreement, I'm not, really condemning anybody I just wrote a. piece in The Times saying that I think exactly what you said that a lot of the ethical problems - not in the mil... | okay, well, i thank you for those comments. actually, i'm trying to do the same thing you're doing, and probably you and i have more agreement than disagreement. i'm not really condemning anybody. i just wrote a piece in the times saying that i think exactly what you said, that a lot of the ethical problems - not in th... |
Indeed, there's even some who question the scientific community, some of their data, lately, well, that's been accurately portrayed. There's a -we know the problems in business. We know the problems in Washington. It seems that the ethical problems of this generation are severe. It's because we were so divided. But I t... | indeed there's even some who question the scientific community some of their data lately well that's been accurately portrayed there's a -we know the problems in. business we know. the problems in washington it seems that the ethical, problems of this generation are severe it's because we were so divided but i think; w... | Indeed there's even some who question the scientific community some of their data lately well that's been accurately portrayed There's a -we know the problems in business We know the problems in Washington It seems that the, ethical. problems of this generation are severe It's because we were, so divided, But I think. ... | indeed, there's even some who question the scientific community, some of their data, lately, well, that's been accurately portrayed. there's a -we know the problems in business. we know the problems in washington. it seems that the ethical problems of this generation are severe. it's because we were so divided. but i t... |
Mike, thanks very much for the call, and... | mike thanks very. much for the call | Mike thanks very much for the call | mike, thanks very much for the call, and... |
Am I still on the line? | am i still on the | Am. I still on the | am i still on the line? |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Just a really brief, brief thing. I lived in a rural area in Oregon, and I moved here just before the Kent State affair, where Americans killed Americans over the war. | just a really brief brief thing i lived in a rural area in oregon and i. moved here. just before the kent state affair where americans killed americans over the | Just, a really brief brief thing I lived, in, a rural area in Oregon. and I moved here. just before the, Kent State affair where Americans killed Americans over the | just a really brief, brief thing. i lived in a rural area in oregon, and i moved here just before the kent state affair, where americans killed americans over the war. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
And I think if we look back on that - especially people that are not of our generation. If you look back on what was - actually happened on that huge divide between people of our own age, where people were willing kill other Americans over the war, I think you need to - we, as a country, need to look at that and say: I... | and i think if we. look back on that - especially people that are, not of our generation if you look, back, on what. was; - actually happened on that huge divide between, people of our own age where people, were willing kill other americans over the. war i think you need to - we as a country need to look at, that and. ... | And I think if we look back on that - especially people that, are not of our generation If you look back on. what was - actually happened on that huge divide. between people of our own age where people were willing kill other Americans over the war I think you need to - we. as a country. need to, look at that and say: ... | and i think if we look back on that - especially people that are not of our generation. if you look back on what was - actually happened on that huge divide between people of our own age, where people were willing kill other americans over the war, i think you need to - we, as a country, need to look at that and say: i... |
Thanks, Mike. | thanks | Thanks | thanks, mike. |
Well, I tend to agree with your statement much. My point is on the unfairness of the draft from about 1963 to '69. Out of that unfairness has sprung some of the ethical problems we have throughout society today, I think. | well i tend to agree with your statement much my point is on the unfairness of the draft from about 1963 to '69. out of that unfairness has sprung some of the ethical problems we have throughout society today i | Well I tend to agree with your statement much My point is. on the unfairness of the draft from about 1963 to '69. Out of that unfairness has sprung some of the ethical problems we have throughout society today I | well, i tend to agree with your statement much. my point is on the unfairness of the draft from about 1963 to '69. out of that unfairness has sprung some of the ethical problems we have throughout society today, i think. |
And here's an email we have from George in Waltham, Massachusetts: Your tease for the segment on Vietnam read something like: Many did not serve in Vietnam and got away with it. Too many times, I have been confronted by totally misguided and uninformed young people with the challenge: How did you get out of Vietnam? A ... | and here's an email we have from george in waltham massachusetts: your. tease for the segment on vietnam read something like: many did not serve in vietnam, and got, away with, it too many times i have been confronted by totally misguided and uninformed young people with the challenge: how did you get out of vietnam? a... | And here's an email we have from George in. Waltham Massachusetts: Your tease for the segment on Vietnam read something like: Many did. not serve, in Vietnam and got, away with it Too many times I have been confronted by, totally misguided and uninformed young people with the challenge: How did you get out of Vietnam? ... | and here's an email we have from george in waltham, massachusetts: your tease for the segment on vietnam read something like: many did not serve in vietnam and got away with it. too many times, i have been confronted by totally misguided and uninformed young people with the challenge: how did you get out of vietnam? a ... |
Yes. The lottery really went into effect in February of 1970. And from then on, it was much more fair. But the fellows from '63 to 1970 were really in a - and I'm critical of the draft law more than I am of any individuals. | yes the. lottery really went into effect in february of 1970. and from then on it was much more, fair but the, fellows from '63 to 1970 were really in a - and i'm critical of the draft law more than, i am of any | Yes The lottery really went into effect in February of 1970. And. from then on it was much more fair But the fellows from '63 to. 1970 were. really, in; a - and I'm critical of the draft law more than, I am of any | yes. the lottery really went into effect in february of 1970. and from then on, it was much more fair. but the fellows from '63 to 1970 were really in a - and i'm critical of the draft law more than i am of any individuals. |
And this has come up with every presidential candidate who was -or any candidate for almost any office, not just the Dick Blumenthal in Connecticut, where there has been an issue, but certainly with Bill Clinton and with George W. Bush, and indeed, most recently with Dick Cheney, who didn't serve at all and said he had... | and this has come up with every presidential; candidate who was -or any candidate for almost any office not just the dick blumenthal in connecticut where, there has been an issue but certainly with bill clinton and with george w bush and indeed most recently, with dick cheney who, didn't serve, at all and said, he had,... | And this has come up with every presidential candidate who was, -or any candidate for almost any office. not just the Dick. Blumenthal in Connecticut; where there has been an. issue. but certainly. with, Bill Clinton and with George W Bush and indeed most recently. with Dick Cheney, who didn't; serve at all and said he... | and this has come up with every presidential candidate who was -or any candidate for almost any office, not just the dick blumenthal in connecticut, where there has been an issue, but certainly with bill clinton and with george w. bush, and indeed, most recently with dick cheney, who didn't serve at all and said he had... |
Absolutely. In fact, I had Cheney in my draft of my piece for The Times, but it got cut out, because they had to cut down the 600 words. But Republicans and Democrats, this is not that issue, and it's very easy to misunderstood. This is such an emotional issue, and I've received over 200 wonderful emails, almost all of... | absolutely in fact, i had cheney in my draft of my piece for the times but it got cut out because they had to cut down the 600 words but republicans. and democrats this is not that issue and it's very easy to. misunderstood this is. such an, emotional issue and i've received over 200 wonderful emails almost. all of the... | Absolutely In fact I had Cheney in my, draft of my piece for The Times but. it got cut out because they had to cut down. the 600 words But Republicans and Democrats this is not that issue and it's very easy to misunderstood This. is such an emotional, issue and I've received over 200 wonderful emails almost all of, the... | absolutely. in fact, i had cheney in my draft of my piece for the times, but it got cut out, because they had to cut down the 600 words. but republicans and democrats, this is not that issue, and it's very easy to misunderstood. this is such an emotional issue, and i've received over 200 wonderful emails, almost all of... |
We're talking with Former Senator Larry Pressler, Republican from South Dakota. He wrote a piece - an op-ed piece in The New York Times called "The Technicality Generation." There's link to it on our website. You can go there at npr.org and click on TALK OF THE NATION. And you're listening to TALK OF THE NATION, coming... | we're talking with former senator larry, pressler republican; from south dakota. he wrote a piece - an op-ed piece in the new york times called "the technicality generation" there's link to it, on our website, you can go there at npr.org and click on talk, of the nation and you're; listening to talk of the nation comin... | We're talking with, Former Senator Larry, Pressler Republican from South Dakota He wrote. a piece - an, op-ed piece in The New York Times called "The Technicality Generation" There's link. to it on our website You, can go there at npr.org and click on TALK OF THE NATION And you're listening to TALK. OF THE NATION comin... | we're talking with former senator larry pressler, republican from south dakota. he wrote a piece - an op-ed piece in the new york times called "the technicality generation." there's link to it on our website. you can go there at npr.org and click on talk of the nation. and you're listening to talk of the nation, coming... |
And let's go next to Fid(ph), Fid with us from Grand Junction in Colorado. | and let's go next to fid(ph), fid with us from grand junction in | And let's go next to Fid(ph), Fid with us from Grand Junction in | and let's go next to fid(ph), fid with us from grand junction in colorado. |
Yes. I just was listening to your program. And I got drafted in 1966. I never ended up going to Vietnam, but I served my tour and did my thing. One of my observations back then was that when everybody, you know, a lot of young people, their parents thought their kid might be going to Vietnam, they were a lot more engag... | yes i just was listening to your program and i got. drafted in, 1966. i never ended up going to vietnam but i served my tour and did my thing one of my observations, back then was that when everybody you know a lot of young, people their parents thought their kid might be going to vietnam they were a lot, more engaged.... | Yes I just was listening to your program And I got drafted; in 1966. I; never ended up. going to Vietnam but I served. my tour and did my thing One of my observations back then, was that when everybody you know; a lot of young people their parents thought, their kid might be going to Vietnam they, were. a lot more. eng... | yes. i just was listening to your program. and i got drafted in 1966. i never ended up going to vietnam, but i served my tour and did my thing. one of my observations back then was that when everybody, you know, a lot of young people, their parents thought their kid might be going to vietnam, they were a lot more engag... |
Yeah. And - any rate, my observation was that as soon as you figured your young butt wouldn't go in the Vietnam, you went back to college and drank beer and had fun and didn't get as actively involved in the political process. | yeah and - any rate my observation was that as soon as you figured your young butt, wouldn't go in, the vietnam you, went. back to college; and drank beer and had fun and didn't get as. actively involved, in the, political | Yeah And - any rate my observation was that. as soon, as you figured your young butt wouldn't go in the Vietnam you went back, to college and drank beer and had fun and didn't get as actively involved in the political | yeah. and - any rate, my observation was that as soon as you figured your young butt wouldn't go in the vietnam, you went back to college and drank beer and had fun and didn't get as actively involved in the political process. |
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