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Well, that's exactly right. And today, there is no peace movement in the United States, even though we have an occupation of at least two countries. And, by the way, I was in Republicans for Obama because I disagree with our military intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean, I think we had to intervene, but not occ...	well that's exactly right and today there is no peace; movement in the united states even though we have an occupation of at least two, countries and by the. way i was in republicans for obama because i disagree, with. our military intervention in, iraq and afghanistan i mean i. think we had to intervene but not occupy...	Well, that's exactly right And today there is, no peace movement in the United States even though we have an; occupation. of at least two countries And by the way I, was in Republicans. for Obama because, I disagree with our military intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan I mean I think we had to intervene but, not occup...	well, that's exactly right. and today, there is no peace movement in the united states, even though we have an occupation of at least two countries. and, by the way, i was in republicans for obama because i disagree with our military intervention in iraq and afghanistan. i mean, i think we had to intervene, but not occ...
But the point is, I find - I found in the Senate that real Vietnam veterans were frequently against these military excursions, and people who did not serve are for this robust military - I was in a meeting. We were going to invade some place in Africa back in those days, invade Haiti. And these guys are all for invadin...	but the point is i, find - i found in the senate that real. vietnam veterans were frequently against these military excursions and, people who did not serve are for this robust military - i was in a meeting we were going to invade some place in africa back in those, days invade haiti and these guys are all for invading...	But the point is I find - I found in the Senate that real Vietnam veterans were frequently against these military excursions and people who did. not serve are for this robust military - I was, in a meeting We; were going to invade some place in Africa back in those days invade. Haiti And these guys are, all for invadin...	but the point is, i find - i found in the senate that real vietnam veterans were frequently against these military excursions, and people who did not serve are for this robust military - i was in a meeting. we were going to invade some place in africa back in those days, invade haiti. and these guys are all for invadin...
Fid, thanks very much for the call.	fid. thanks very much for the	Fid thanks very much for. the	fid, thanks very much for the call.
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Let's go next to - this is Doc, Doc with us from Harrisonburg in Virginia. Doc, are you there?	let's go next to - this is doc doc with; us from harrisonburg in virginia doc are you	Let's go next to - this is Doc Doc with us from Harrisonburg in Virginia Doc, are you.	let's go next to - this is doc, doc with us from harrisonburg in virginia. doc, are you there?
Thank you for taking my call. I'm 61 years old. I'm a Vietnam vet. I joined the Navy in 1966 to become, specifically, a Navy corpsman attached to the Marines in Vietnam.	thank you for. taking my call i'm 61 years old i'm a vietnam vet i joined the navy in 1966 to become specifically a navy corpsman attached to the marines in	Thank you for taking my call I'm 61 years old I'm a, Vietnam, vet I joined the Navy in 1966 to become specifically a Navy corpsman attached to the Marines. in	thank you for taking my call. i'm 61 years old. i'm a vietnam vet. i joined the navy in 1966 to become, specifically, a navy corpsman attached to the marines in vietnam.
Now, I did not get my wish, per se, but I did go to Vietnam later in my career, from 1969 to 1970. And in the interim, I lived in - I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm out of breath. I just ran up the stairs.	now i did not get my wish, per se but i did, go to vietnam later in my career from 1969 to. 1970. and in the interim i lived in - i'm sorry if, it sounds like i'm out of breath i just ran up the	Now I did not get, my wish per se but I did go to Vietnam later in my career from 1969 to, 1970. And in the interim I lived in - I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm out of breath I just ran. up. the	now, i did not get my wish, per se, but i did go to vietnam later in my career, from 1969 to 1970. and in the interim, i lived in - i'm sorry if it sounds like i'm out of breath. i just ran up the stairs.
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I lived in San Francisco. I was stationed at Oakland(ph) Mental Hospital. And I went through a phase of being a hippie. And, you know, at the time, I felt, well, maybe going to Vietnam is not a such great idea because I was surrounded by people who thought the war is wrong and we shouldn't go, and they were trying all ...	i lived in san francisco i was stationed, at oakland(ph) mental hospital and i went through a phase of being a hippie and you; know, at the time i felt. well maybe going to vietnam is not a, such great idea because, i was surrounded by people who thought the war is wrong, and we shouldn't go and they were trying all ki...	I lived. in San Francisco I was stationed at Oakland(ph) Mental Hospital And I went, through a phase of being a hippie And you know, at the time, I felt; well maybe going to Vietnam is not a such great idea, because I was surrounded by people who thought. the war, is wrong and we shouldn't go and they were trying all k...	i lived in san francisco. i was stationed at oakland(ph) mental hospital. and i went through a phase of being a hippie. and, you know, at the time, i felt, well, maybe going to vietnam is not a such great idea because i was surrounded by people who thought the war is wrong and we shouldn't go, and they were trying all ...
And I took my responsibility and I went to Vietnam, and I'm glad I did. I think we should've been there. I personally helped people get better. That was my job. And I worked with people who helped interdict bad guys who were killing Americans. And I'm not ashamed at all that I went, and I think that - however, that peo...	and i took. my responsibility, and. i went to vietnam. and i'm glad i did i, think, we should've, been. there i personally helped people get better that was my job and i worked with people who helped interdict bad guys who were killing americans and i'm not ashamed. at all that i went and i think that - however that pe...	And I took. my. responsibility and I went to Vietnam and, I'm glad I did I think we should've. been, there I personally helped, people get better That was my job And I worked with people who helped interdict bad guys who, were killing Americans And I'm not ashamed at all, that I went and I think that - however that peo...	and i took my responsibility and i went to vietnam, and i'm glad i did. i think we should've been there. i personally helped people get better. that was my job. and i worked with people who helped interdict bad guys who were killing americans. and i'm not ashamed at all that i went, and i think that - however, that peo...
It's interesting that I've attended conferences where I've met people who didn't go to Vietnam. When they found out I was a Vietnam veteran, they told me how sorry they were. They told me that, for instance, that they wish they had gone, and after the third beer they're really sorry they didn't go. And my comment to th...	it's, interesting that i've attended conferences where i've met people who didn't go to. vietnam when they found out i was a vietnam veteran they told me, how sorry they. were they told me that, for, instance that, they wish, they had gone and after the third beer they're. really sorry, they didn't go and. my comment t...	It's interesting that I've attended conferences where I've met people who didn't go to Vietnam When they found out I was a Vietnam veteran they told me how sorry they were They told me that for instance. that they wish they had gone and after the third beer, they're really, sorry they didn't go And my comment to them w...	it's interesting that i've attended conferences where i've met people who didn't go to vietnam. when they found out i was a vietnam veteran, they told me how sorry they were. they told me that, for instance, that they wish they had gone, and after the third beer they're really sorry they didn't go. and my comment to th...
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...I appreciate Senator Pressler's position, and I think more people ought to be speaking out about this. I don't think the dialogue is over.	...i appreciate senator, pressler's position and i think more people ought to be speaking out about this i don't think the dialogue is	...I appreciate Senator Pressler's position and I think more people ought to. be speaking out about this I don't think the, dialogue is	...i appreciate senator pressler's position, and i think more people ought to be speaking out about this. i don't think the dialogue is over.
No, I suspect that's right, Doc.	no i suspect that's right	No I. suspect that's right	no, i suspect that's right, doc.
Well, let me say that those who did not go became very critical of those of us who did serve in one capacity or another, during the years from about 1965 to probably '85, and then it all changed. But let's remember that the military and people who served in it were considered lesser idealistic than this group that did ...	well let me say that those who did not go became very critical of those. of us who did serve in one capacity or another during the years, from about 1965 to probably, '85, and. then it all changed but. let's remember that the military. and people who served in it were considered lesser idealistic than this group that; ...	Well let me say that, those who did not go became very critical of those of us who did serve in, one capacity or another during the, years from, about 1965 to probably '85, and then it all changed, But let's remember that the. military and people who served in it, were considered; lesser. idealistic than, this, group t...	well, let me say that those who did not go became very critical of those of us who did serve in one capacity or another, during the years from about 1965 to probably '85, and then it all changed. but let's remember that the military and people who served in it were considered lesser idealistic than this group that did ...
You put it in your piece: Eventually, they began to believe their idealism was superior to those who did serve.	you put it in your piece: eventually they began to believe their idealism was superior to those who did	You put it in your piece: Eventually they began to believe their idealism was superior to those who did	you put it in your piece: eventually, they began to believe their idealism was superior to those who did serve.
That is correct. And now that there's kind of a reverse psychology, they were so critical of the military then that those in the media and elsewhere now are praising the military. Now, presently, the military is not drafted. Let's take someone who joins the police force or becomes a public school teacher. They're also ...	that is correct and now that there's kind of a reverse. psychology they, were so critical. of the military then that those, in the media and elsewhere now are praising the military now presently the military is not, drafted let's take someone who joins the. police force or becomes a public school teacher they're also s...	That is correct And now that there's kind of a reverse psychology they were so critical of the military then that those, in the media and elsewhere now are praising the; military Now presently the military, is not drafted Let's, take someone who. joins the police force or becomes a public school teacher They're also se...	that is correct. and now that there's kind of a reverse psychology, they were so critical of the military then that those in the media and elsewhere now are praising the military. now, presently, the military is not drafted. let's take someone who joins the police force or becomes a public school teacher. they're also ...
And this is going to lead to expectations from veterans that may not be able to be met in terms of jobs when they come back, in terms of - well, for example, we have an increased veterans payments for disabilities. They're only about $30,000 a year for 100 percent disability. That's very, very low. So we're not really ...	and this is. going to lead to expectations from veterans that may not be able to be, met in terms of jobs when they come back in terms; of - well for example we. have, an increased veterans payments for disabilities they're only about $30,000 a year for 100 percent disability that's very very, low; so; we're not really...	And this is going, to lead to expectations from veterans that may, not be able to be met in terms of jobs when they come back. in terms of - well for example we have an increased veterans. payments for disabilities, They're only about $30,000 a year for, 100 percent disability That's very very low So we're not really m...	and this is going to lead to expectations from veterans that may not be able to be met in terms of jobs when they come back, in terms of - well, for example, we have an increased veterans payments for disabilities. they're only about $30,000 a year for 100 percent disability. that's very, very low. so we're not really ...
Senator Pressler, thanks very much for your time today. We appreciate it.	senator pressler thanks very much for. your time today we appreciate	Senator Pressler thanks very, much for your time today We appreciate	senator pressler, thanks very much for your time today. we appreciate it.
Good. Thank you.	good thank	Good Thank	good. thank you.
Larry Pressler served in the U.S. Army in Vietnam, a former Republican senator from South Dakota. His op-ed, "The Technicality Generation," ran in The New York Times on May 18th. You can find a link to it at npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION. He was kind enough to join us here in Studio 3A.	larry pressler. served in the u.s army. in vietnam a former republican senator from south dakota, his op-ed "the technicality generation" ran in, the new york times on may 18th you can find a link to it at npr.org click on talk of the nation he was kind enough to join us here in studio	Larry, Pressler served in. the U.S Army in, Vietnam a former Republican senator. from South Dakota His op-ed "The Technicality Generation" ran in The New, York Times on May 18th You can find a. link to it at npr.org Click on TALK, OF THE NATION He was kind enough to join us here in Studio	larry pressler served in the u.s. army in vietnam, a former republican senator from south dakota. his op-ed, "the technicality generation," ran in the new york times on may 18th. you can find a link to it at npr.org. click on talk of the nation. he was kind enough to join us here in studio 3a.
Tomorrow, it's TALK OF THE NATION: SCIENCE FRIDAY. Ira Flatow will talk about options for cleaning up oil in the Gulf. Why, he asks, are we still using decades-old technology? This is TALK OF THE NATION, from NPR News. I'm Neal Conan, in Washington.	tomorrow it's, talk of the nation: science friday ira flatow will talk about options for. cleaning up oil in. the gulf why he asks are we still using decades-old technology? this is talk of the nation from npr. news i'm neal, conan in,	Tomorrow it's TALK OF THE NATION: SCIENCE FRIDAY Ira Flatow; will talk about options; for cleaning up oil in the Gulf Why he. asks are we still using decades-old technology? This, is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News I'm Neal Conan in	tomorrow, it's talk of the nation: science friday. ira flatow will talk about options for cleaning up oil in the gulf. why, he asks, are we still using decades-old technology? this is talk of the nation, from npr news. i'm neal conan, in washington.
For more on the politics of religious expression in the workplace, I spoke with Georgette Bennett, president of the Tanenbaum Center for Inter-religious Understanding, and Jonathan Segal, a management attorney with the Pennsylvania-based firm WolfBlock. Segal said the law protecting religion in the workplace is as vagu...	for more on the politics of religious expression in the workplace i spoke with georgette bennett president of the tanenbaum center for inter-religious understanding and jonathan segal a management attorney with, the pennsylvania-based firm wolfblock, segal. said the law protecting religion. in the workplace is as vague...	For more on the politics. of religious expression in the workplace I. spoke with Georgette Bennett president of the Tanenbaum Center for, Inter-religious Understanding and Jonathan Segal a management attorney with the Pennsylvania-based firm WolfBlock Segal said the, law protecting religion in the workplace is as vague...	for more on the politics of religious expression in the workplace, i spoke with georgette bennett, president of the tanenbaum center for inter-religious understanding, and jonathan segal, a management attorney with the pennsylvania-based firm wolfblock. segal said the law protecting religion in the workplace is as vagu...
I think the law tries. The difficulty is it includes two parts. One, we can't discriminate based on religious beliefs, practices, etc. The other is we need make reasonable accommodations on behalf of religious beliefs, practices, and observations. And sometimes what happens is one person's religious rights conflict wit...	i think the law tries the difficulty, is it includes two parts one we can't discriminate based on. religious beliefs practices etc the other is we need make reasonable accommodations on behalf. of religious beliefs practices and observations. and sometimes what happens is one person's religious rights conflict with ano...	I think the law tries The difficulty is it includes two parts One we can't discriminate based, on religious, beliefs practices, etc The other is we need make reasonable accommodations on. behalf of religious beliefs practices and observations And sometimes what happens is one person's religious rights conflict with ano...	i think the law tries. the difficulty is it includes two parts. one, we can't discriminate based on religious beliefs, practices, etc. the other is we need make reasonable accommodations on behalf of religious beliefs, practices, and observations. and sometimes what happens is one person's religious rights conflict wit...
Georgette Bennett, isn't that the crux of the matter, when we think about the differing viewpoints, the more atypical religions to the United States?	georgette bennett isn't that. the crux of the matter when we think about the differing viewpoints the more, atypical religions to the united	Georgette Bennett isn't that the crux of the matter when we think about the differing viewpoints the more atypical religions; to the United	georgette bennett, isn't that the crux of the matter, when we think about the differing viewpoints, the more atypical religions to the united states?
And then, of course, there's the elephant in the room - or the dragon in the room, if you will - and that's China and its assertiveness in the South China Sea. That bothers Vietnam and its neighbors quite a bit. There have been clashes between the two countries in the past couple of years. And it bothers the U.S., too....	and then of course there's, the elephant. in the room - or the dragon in the room if you will - and that's china and its assertiveness in the, south china sea that bothers vietnam and its neighbors quite a bit there have been clashes between the two countries, in the past couple of years and it bothers the u.s., too; a...	And then of course there's. the elephant in the room - or the dragon in the room. if you will - and that's China and its assertiveness in the South China Sea That bothers Vietnam and its neighbors quite; a bit There have been clashes between the two countries in the past couple of years And it bothers the U.S., too As ...	and then, of course, there's the elephant in the room - or the dragon in the room, if you will - and that's china and its assertiveness in the south china sea. that bothers vietnam and its neighbors quite a bit. there have been clashes between the two countries in the past couple of years. and it bothers the u.s., too....
And I understand that the U.S. is exploring the prospect of lifting the arms embargo in Vietnam, which could open the door to American arms sales there. I'm sure that that, you know, for some people that is a very sensitive and difficult issue. Why is this under consideration?	and i understand that the u.s; is exploring the prospect of lifting the arms embargo in vietnam which could open the door to american arms sales there i'm sure, that that you know for some people that is a very sensitive and difficult issue why is. this under	And I understand that the U.S is, exploring, the prospect of lifting the arms embargo in Vietnam which could, open the door, to American arms sales there I'm sure that that you know for some people that is a very. sensitive and difficult issue Why is this under	and i understand that the u.s. is exploring the prospect of lifting the arms embargo in vietnam, which could open the door to american arms sales there. i'm sure that that, you know, for some people that is a very sensitive and difficult issue. why is this under consideration?
I think there's a couple of reasons. I mean, first, there's already been a partial lifting of the embargo a few years back. And the Vietnamese want to see the ban lifted entirely because at this point they think it's just a relic and that they're being punished for no reason. So mainly it's for face, I think.	i think there's a couple of reasons i mean. first there's already been a partial lifting of the embargo a few years back and the vietnamese want to see the ban lifted; entirely because at this point they, think it's just a relic and that they're being punished for no reason so mainly it's for face i	I think there's a couple, of reasons I mean first there's already been a partial. lifting of the embargo a few years. back And the. Vietnamese want to see the ban lifted entirely because at this point they think it's just, a relic; and, that, they're being punished for no reason So mainly it's for face. I	i think there's a couple of reasons. i mean, first, there's already been a partial lifting of the embargo a few years back. and the vietnamese want to see the ban lifted entirely because at this point they think it's just a relic and that they're being punished for no reason. so mainly it's for face, i think.
But for the U.S. this is tricky because the U.S. in the past always linked the lifting of the embargo to the issue of human rights. And on that front, Vietnam hasn't shown enough progress for some. They still routinely jail dissidents - bloggers - who challenge the state's authority, so that's an issue.	but for. the u.s this is tricky because, the u.s in the past always linked the lifting of the embargo to the issue of, human rights and on that. front vietnam hasn't shown enough progress for some they still routinely jail dissidents - bloggers - who. challenge the state's authority so, that's an	But. for the U.S this is tricky, because the U.S in the past always linked the lifting of the embargo to the issue, of, human rights And on that front, Vietnam hasn't shown enough progress for some They still routinely jail dissidents - bloggers - who challenge the state's; authority so that's an	but for the u.s. this is tricky because the u.s. in the past always linked the lifting of the embargo to the issue of human rights. and on that front, vietnam hasn't shown enough progress for some. they still routinely jail dissidents - bloggers - who challenge the state's authority, so that's an issue.
But getting back to China, lifting the embargo would definitely send a message to Beijing that the U.S. and Vietnam are developing a close relationship, not just economically but in terms of foreign policy, too. And that's an important message because of what's going on in the South China Sea.	but getting back to china lifting the. embargo would definitely send a, message to beijing that the u.s and vietnam are developing a close relationship not just economically but in terms of foreign policy too and that's an important message, because of what's going, on in the south china	But getting back to China lifting the embargo would definitely send a message to Beijing that the. U.S and Vietnam are; developing a close relationship not just economically but in terms. of, foreign policy. too And that's an important message because of what's going on. in. the South China	but getting back to china, lifting the embargo would definitely send a message to beijing that the u.s. and vietnam are developing a close relationship, not just economically but in terms of foreign policy, too. and that's an important message because of what's going on in the south china sea.
Before we let you go, any sense of how the president's trip is being viewed in Vietnam or any sense of how people are reacting to it so far? I know it's just at the very beginning, but what you hearing?	before we let you go any, sense of how the president's trip is being viewed in vietnam or any sense of how people are reacting to it so far? i know it's just at. the very beginning but what you	Before we let you go any sense of how the president's trip is being viewed, in Vietnam or any sense, of how people are reacting to it so far? I know it's just at the very beginning; but what you	before we let you go, any sense of how the president's trip is being viewed in vietnam or any sense of how people are reacting to it so far? i know it's just at the very beginning, but what you hearing?
Some people seem interested. Some people seem to be excited about the idea of Obama coming. But he's the third U.S. president to come here since the two countries normalized relations. And a lot of young people here, they want to see more progress on the issue of political freedom. And they want to see more progress on...	some people seem interested some people seem to be excited about the idea of, obama coming but he's, the third; u.s president. to come here since the two countries normalized relations and a lot of young people here they want to see more, progress on the issue of political freedom and they want to, see more progress on...	Some; people seem interested Some people seem to be excited about the idea of Obama coming But he's the third U.S president to come here since the two countries normalized relations And a lot of young people here they want to see more progress on the. issue of political freedom And they, want to see more progress on th...	some people seem interested. some people seem to be excited about the idea of obama coming. but he's the third u.s. president to come here since the two countries normalized relations. and a lot of young people here, they want to see more progress on the issue of political freedom. and they want to see more progress on...
That's reporter Michael Sullivan in Hanoi. Thank you so much for joining us.	that's reporter michael sullivan in hanoi thank you so. much for joining	That's reporter Michael Sullivan in Hanoi Thank you so much for joining	that's reporter michael sullivan in hanoi. thank you so much for joining us.
You're quite welcome.	you're quite	You're quite	you're quite welcome.
And it's time now for All Tech Considered.	and, it's time now for all tech	And it's, time now for All Tech	and it's time now for all tech considered.
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Elizabeth Holmes fits into the Silicon Valley success mold. A young Stanford dropout who left school to pursue her entrepreneurial vision, she founded Theranos and said she would disrupt the world of medicine. Now, her company is under federal investigation for claims it made about its technology. And as NPR's Laura Sy...	elizabeth holmes fits into the silicon valley success, mold a young. stanford dropout who left; school to pursue her entrepreneurial vision she founded theranos and said she would, disrupt the world of medicine now her company is under federal investigation for claims it made about its technology and as npr's laura syd...	Elizabeth Holmes fits into the Silicon Valley success mold, A young Stanford dropout who left school. to pursue her entrepreneurial vision she founded Theranos and said she would disrupt the, world of medicine Now her company is under, federal investigation for; claims it made about its technology And as NPR's Laura Sy...	elizabeth holmes fits into the silicon valley success mold. a young stanford dropout who left school to pursue her entrepreneurial vision, she founded theranos and said she would disrupt the world of medicine. now, her company is under federal investigation for claims it made about its technology. and as npr's laura sy...
Elizabeth Holmes was an alluring figure, young and intense in that kind of way Apple founder Steve Jobs was. Like Jobs, she wore only black turtlenecks because she didn't have the time to think about her wardrobe. And of course, there was the TED talk. Holmes painted a picture of a world in which too many people avoide...	elizabeth holmes was an alluring, figure, young and intense in that kind of way apple founder steve jobs. was like jobs she wore only black turtlenecks because she; didn't have the time to think about her wardrobe and of course there was the ted talk holmes painted a picture of a world in which too many, people avoided...	Elizabeth Holmes was an alluring figure young and intense in that kind of; way Apple founder Steve Jobs was Like Jobs she wore only, black turtlenecks because she didn't have the time to think about her, wardrobe And of course there was; the; TED talk Holmes painted a picture of a. world in. which too many people avoid...	elizabeth holmes was an alluring figure, young and intense in that kind of way apple founder steve jobs was. like jobs, she wore only black turtlenecks because she didn't have the time to think about her wardrobe. and of course, there was the ted talk. holmes painted a picture of a world in which too many people avoide...
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