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f97ddb17f28e-33 | see that this thing – this transcendental object at the end of time, this attractor – has been, that chose us out of the animal kingdom, and sculpted the neocortex, opposed the thumb, stood us on our hind legs, gave us binocular vision – this thing is calling us toward itself across aeons of cosmic time. We are asked t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-34 | temporal dimension. If you want to see a little bit into the future, elevate you psychedelic periscope outside of the three dimensional continuum and peer around. For thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years we have been pulled towards this omega point. The earth is like an egg – it has come to its moment of fr... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-35 | delivery of food through the umbilical cord. Suddenly, it’s just boundaries and agony and crushing pressure – that’s where we are. And we are going to have to shed history like a snake sheds its skin if we want to slip off into hyperspace, where I think all of magical humanity is awaiting us and cheering us on, lending... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-36 | the lapis, a trans-dimensional vehicle that can move through space and time. That is, the collectivity of all human souls free at last in what William Blake called ‘the Divine Imagination’. And you don’t have to wait for the general dispensation. You can join up anytime by hyper-spacializing your metaphors and your poi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-37 | contain DMT?’ Yes. There are certain grasses – Phalaris arundinacea, Phalaris tuberosa. These can be ordered from plant dealers or gotten, ironically enough, from agricultural experiment stations because these are pasturage grasses. A lot of people are doing wonderful work right now learning how to make DMT preparation... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-38 | work in this area is that DMT can ordinarily not be taken orally because there is an enzyme system in your intestines called the mono amine oxidase system. And it will destroy the DMT. But the good news is there are certain compounds called mono amine oxidase inhibitors – didn’t you know it. If you take a mono amine ox... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-39 | market and buy what is called Hurmal. This is simply Peganum harmala seeds. They use it as an incense to fumigate rooms. But two grams – don’t take more – two grams of this macerated in a mortar and pestle with spring water taken from a spring at the new moon near a crossroads will inhibit your MAO. It will inhibit you... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-40 | a few months. And the root bark has the highest concentration of DMT ever measured in any plant. It’s higher than the ayahuasca admixtures used in the Amazon. Pardon? [Inaudible Question] In the root bark, the root bark which you dry the root and the scrape the bark off and you’ll get this reddish root bark. The red is... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-41 | to create a brew which is chemically equivalent to an Amazonian hallucinogen. And of course, you have the satisfaction that it’s yours. It’s your magical recipe. No one on earth is doing quite what you’ve got and it’s very – a lot of interesting work is being done and you’ll hear more about this. In fact, Jonathan Ott ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-42 | this subject. I’m probably about to say too much. But at one gathering I go to, one of the people who’s a very regular part of that particular posse, is a wheat breeder. So when he heard about the Phalaris, he was a geneticist and a wheat breeder. And he has been working very quietly on his own to produce super strains... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-43 | I mean, we have our scientists, we have our philosophers, we have our thinkers, our legal experts, we are a complete community. And it’s no longer, in my mind, even necessary to publish in straight journals and to seek a pat on the head from, you know, the American pharmacology community. They don’t understand what the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-44 | the catalog. [Inaudible Question] Well, let me, I didn’t mean to dis Castaneda as a metaphor maker. No, I think ‘The Teachings of Don Juan’ is a tremendous book. I’m very suspicious of some of his later stuff. It’s interesting what you said because you know the famous crow transformation in The Teachings of Don Juan ha... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-45 | area, and the descriptions don’t quite match. I can’t quite convince myself that the sprites, the efreets, the pixies, the jinns, that these creatures of the woodland Fay, are the same thing. Or I don’t know whether I am contaminated by an early love of science fiction and... [Inaudible Question] Well, again, close but... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-46 | mind! They seem totally immune to the implications. [Inaudible Question] Well, a sufficient amount of DMT is smoked west of the Pacific coast highway that it wouldn’t surprise me if the writers of Star Trek, I mean, were on to this. Yes, what is not much talked about – the part of the experience which is anomalous –and... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-47 | further than the next guy. But to get out of that Shakespeare and Milton is a pretty amazing accomplishment, hardly to speak of the mathematical languages that we generate. So something happened – some people think only 35,000 years ago. Imagine if that’s true. I mean, I don’t care, some people say 150,000 years ago. B... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-48 | we also paint. Then we sculpt. Then we write. Then we create electronic databases. Then film, television. Clearly, what we want to do is we want to communicate visually. And these things are saying there’s way to do it. Do it! And I don’t understand, do we allhave to be loaded on DMT all the time? Can you learn to do t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-49 | that’s an amazing piece of data because what it’s saying is ‘you can do it on the natch.’ You may have to be dead asleep, but still on the natch this can be done. And the lucid dreamers, the biofeedback people, the people who claim these wonderful things that you can do with sleep and dream and programming, I challenge... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-50 | in most people. That’s when the deep REM sleep is happening. When you give somebody DMT, they lay back, they close their eyes, and the way you – the guide, the sitter, I don’t like the word guide – you the sitter, the way you can tell that they’re getting off is their eyes dart wildly behind their closed eyelids. It me... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-51 | that’s where we want to go. And I think that’s where history is headed. What the archaic revival is about, is a revivification of the aboriginal dream time. We are going to live in the imagination. We are preparing to decamp from three dimensional space. I mean yes, the earth is the cradle of the human race, but you do... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-52 | is a sort of different way of sectioning the DMT experience. Because ayahuasca is orally active, unfolds over hours, is not as dramatic as DMT, but the people who use ayahuasca as a ritual on a weekly basis, what their practice consists of is they take this stuff and then they sing – they sing like crazy. And then when... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-53 | is because you could program a virtual reality so that when you went aaah [sings a high pitched tone], an iridescent blue line would be keyed to that to descend into the space. I’m very interested in environmental and electronic simulations of psychedelic states, but we’re not going to do better than the psychedelics. ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-54 | fax, but in huge letters is said ‘When you strip away the hype, it’s just another concrescence’. [Q: I’m curious to know what the universality of your experience that you describe is... [Inaudible] It’s interesting and that’s a good question. The answer is yes and no. Obviously, there’s hardly anything more personal th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-55 | children. A circus is a wonderful place for a child. DMT – there is something very very weirdly child-like about it in a very un-childish way. Some of you may know the 52nd fragment of Heraclitus where he says ‘The aeon is a child at play with colored balls.’The aeon is the child that you encounter in the elf dome. But... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-56 | show, the goat-faced boy, the lady in the bottle, and, you know, the three-toed alligator kid, and all of that. That’s there. The wiggy, weird, kinky, strange, alien stuff. And then, if you think about the archetype – not so much of the circus but of the carnival. The carnival represents a breakthrough from another dim... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-57 | go away! Just like a DMT trip. And every little boy and girl in the world worth their salt wants to join the circus. Of course! And go away with the tattooed lady and the tigers and all that. So it is the archetype of the circus. So then, I’ve seen many many people take DMT and some get what I get, which is, it’s sort ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-58 | a sub-threshold dose. Well, then if she’d done more she would have arrived there 8 hours earlier when the thing was happening, and if she’d done yet another toke, it would have moved off into the zone of the truly weird. That’s why I love the film of Federico Fellini, because here was a circus-man, for sure. Yeah... [I... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-59 | prongs up your nose, and you have a friend blow on the other outlet and it will force the entire contents of the vessel, the entire load of white smoke – but you know, don’t try this at home folks. [Inaudible Question] I’d go light the first time. You know, there are old pharmacologists and bold pharmacologists. But th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-60 | – no chocolate, no red wine, no soft cheese, no lentils, no this – that’s a list of alkaloid-containing foods. And if you are on those mono amine oxidase inhibiting anti-depressants and you eat a bunch of Camembert with your yuppie friends, you’ll probably have to be roped down for a while before you straighten out. [Q... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-61 | such an exotic suggestion to people who are going to put their bodies and minds on the line. Because people don’t take enough. They don’t take enough mushrooms. They take piss ant amounts and then they claim that they’re initiates. You must take a measured 5 dried grams on an empty stomach, measured! And when you see w... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-62 | and S.H. [Inaudible]. It speaks. No other psychedelic does that in my experience. Occasionally a phrase will pop into your [Inaudible] on another substance that is like a gift in that surround. But I mean, psilocybin raves. It raves. And it has positions, you may not like psilocybin as a person. Because it is not – the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-63 | just a twist of the molecule, just flailiant tweaking of the molecule and suddenly it’s about childbirth, rivers, the land, the feminine, looking inside your body, curing diseases, feeling, telepathy, communication, it could hardly be more different. And yet chemically these things are like two sides of the same coin. ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-64 | have for things which make the world unrecognizable. But these are not drugs. They are magical doorways into staggeringly titanic dimensions of gnosis, power, information, understanding, and dimensions filled with affection for humanity. So people say ‘Well you think drugs should be legalized?’ Yeah, but that’s a polit... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-65 | And I have not, so far as I can tell, been able to launch an avalanche of DMT. I’m trying! Do I have to put it any more plainly? Is there a chemist in the house who will go home and make this stuff so that we can find our way there? Or grow the plants. Or go to South America. Or get with lucid dreaming and behavioral m... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-66 | [Inaudible] How can it be against the law if you have it in every brain walking around? [Inaudible] [Inaudible Question] Well, we should certainly talk about casualties and danger. The ditch doesn’t really stave you in here in the ordinary sense like opiates and nicotine. The ditch, you know, cannabis is the most addic... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-67 | stop on the psychedelic trip is the library. There are very, very deep books on these subjects on the anthropology, the pharmacology, the psychology, the quantum mechanics of drug activity, inform yourself. And then it’s not about taking every drug in the book. And you have people wheel them off. ‘Well, I did junk, I d... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-68 | MDMA and a little 2CB an hour later and then bring on some acid of undetermined providence [Inaudible], well then and I said, ‘How was it?’ ‘Hey, it was [Inaudible]’ But the point is, it can never be reproduced and these things are very dangerous. They synergize in rather unexpected ways. I mean, my God, if psilocybin ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-69 | it keeps me on the surface. And I have many psychedelic experiences where in the middle of it has passed through my mind ‘Gee, I’m sure glad nobody is here to see this because I’m sure it would alarm them and then we’d have a crisis. So my style, I mean I take – okay gimme, you know, low dose and hang out if something ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-70 | a few things like that. From the moment I take it I’m in [Inaudible] state. And this isn’t even a rule followed in the Amazon. I mean, it totally blew my mind, in some ayahuasca circles people would sit talking and some, then everybody would take ayahuasca there would be a sacral ceremonial moment, everybody would take... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-71 | about all the ways you screwed up and all the people you screwed over and you basically anticipate a bad trip, is what it is. You work said, ‘What is the worst thing that happens to me on this trip based on my current state of my psyche and my relationship with other people?’ Well, by the time this stuff actually begin... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-72 | I invoke it, I suppose. And in my own way – I don’t know if it will pass [Inaudible] mustard – I say to it, I say ‘Show yourself, show yourself.’ And its very, at that point it’s very erotic. It’s like a veil thing, it’s what it is. It is a veil thing. The girl-friend in the other dimension, the mushroom, once I said t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-73 | the previous Saturday. I had taken a full dose, which is 5 dried grams. So I thought, I wanna take mushrooms again this Saturday but I think I may have picked up a tolerance. So I’ll just take 9 grams. And this is where the learning takes place. Mistakes – treasure your mistakes. So the thing is, like I’m sitting there... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-74 | put her face right down next to mine and she said, ‘Is it strong enough for you asshole?’ To which I replied, ‘Yes!’ And then she said, ‘They say it helps to close your eyes, cowboy.’ Later, in thinking about that trip I realized the reason the Goddess, the reason the mushroom addressed me as cowboy, is because that’s ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-75 | tricks that are indispensable, number one I already told you. Have cannabis ready ‘cause if you get into a place you don’t like you can jet out of there by just taking a toke or two. The other thing is if you get into a place you don’t like chant. Don’t do what most honkys do. Which is, scrunch, assume that people coul... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-76 | ugly in front of you every day and all you say is ‘Yukk!’ So, it also works there. And there are strange places and we each have our own private hell. I mean that’s a place I go to nearly on every ayahuasca trip, that I call the meat locker. And, you know what the last said about it? [Inaudible] [Inaudible Question] I ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-77 | protein debt. So then eat your favorite food at the end of the trip. [Inaudible Question] MDMA is a psycho-[Inaudible] amphetamine. It’s a, what are called empathogen. They’re drugs which encourage change of feelings and that sort of thing under rare circumstances you can squeeze a kind of wobbling hallucination out of... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-78 | and, but I could never hallucinate the way I wanted to. I’ve read Havelock Ellis. I wanted to see, you know, the phosphorescent palace, the naked maidens, the silk brocades, the alien worlds, vision! And LSD, deep thoughts about things, funny ideas, strange [Inaudible], hard to get vision until you smoke black Bombay h... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-79 | this is the proof that were reaching beyond the confines of the human personality and even beyond the human species. That this information – don’t ask me how – is somehow holographically deployed throughout space and you tune in and it’s a – so I care about vision and if a drug doesn’t cause vision I can’t resist to pu... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-80 | I took all kinds of doses. The question is, What dose of LSD did I take. I should be clear what I mean. I mean, yes on LSD. Even with eyes open the little thinks that look like open fans that are going like ‘nikniknik, nikniknik’ on wallpaper, but I – LSD never gave me these architectural – if it is what’s meaning I co... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-81 | ‘Can you get there on the natch?’ I get lots of resistance because I’m willing to say just flat out, ‘No, no.’ And, you know, people are shocked. That’s no good and flagellation, being touched by poverty and whatever. I don’t know, I tried it all. And the other thing is what I’m talking about you couldn’t want that hap... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-82 | guru, no master, no teacher, just you and me, and mother nature, in the darkness, in the darken vested range.’ I think all religion is con-games, I think that all esoterica is a con-game, I think that revealed secrets are self-protecting and that seeking is the way to find. And take yourself serious. You are the vessel... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-83 | away, unsubstantiated rumors that circulate among the people. Magicians have always worked the marketplace. It’s older than Ur. But this [Inaudible] mystery is absolutely authentic and having once found it I stopped searching for other authentic mysteries. So I don’t know what lies behind the deeper levels of the Kalic... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-84 | me, well I did it several times but I’ll tell you a story that’s for your edification maybe, but amusement perhaps. I once [Inaudible] was a landlord in Berkley many years ago. And, uh …, that’s sufficient. And everybody left one easter vacation or thanksgiving vacation, so I decided I would do this acid trip, I did pl... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-85 | 500 miles up a jungle river smoking a joint and a stick cracks 50 feet away the first thing I do is hide the joint – I’m a very paranoid person – being, you know, on 500 mics of acid smoking DMT and suddenly having this woman and I, I literally, I kept my some kind of a [Inaudible], and I leaped off my bed and I landed... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-86 | simultaneously one of these machines had been dragged through into my bedroom at the same time and this is like about the size, well, like this, and it had all kinds of this faceted, and opalescent, and glassy, and strange, but what was important about it had a kind of a faceted [Inaudible] on it that was clicking [Ina... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-87 | would slam the door back and I pushed my way across the room and I crawled under the bed. And I closed my eyes and I said, ‘I’m gonna stay here ’til I’m dead or it’s over. And I did. But it was, it was, uh…, I mean, what the fuck, you know, you are supposed to learn something [Inaudible] It’s ridiculous. [Inaudible que... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-88 | I would also add in there – ‘and talking.’ Now, probably long before the invention of what we call meaning people amused each other with funny noises. And people would say, ‘What’s that? Somebody else?’ So, being physiologically set up for a production of small mouth noises, notice that language is a very primitive for... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-89 | straight forward like ‘Please shut the door’ ambiguity doesn’t enter. But notice that one of the most uncool things we can do with each other is to say to somebody ‘Would you mind explain me what it was that you just said?’, you know, or, ‘Would you mind explaining me what it was that I just said?’ And then he say: ‘Oh... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-90 | piece of thin page of a book we can then have an enormous argument about what’s written there. But if you and I both step into a place where a piece of sculpture is being visited we may argue about what the piece of sculpture meaning is but we agree what it is. We see it. We see it. And when we can [Inaudible] with eac... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-91 | to the visual channel. It’s very suggestive that these tryptamines are in different parts of the brain. And I think that we are on the brink of transforming our abilities to [Inaudible]. [Inaudible Question] What was said was that using LSD and having used DMT one can begin to trip into, you know, if you like dimension... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-92 | nature will provide nontoxic models. Well it just so happens that in this area of communication nature has provided a wonderful nontoxic model. And that is the way in which squids and octopi communicate. Squids and octopi as you know from watching far too much TV can change color. May think that this is camouflage. It’... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-93 | an other by the mere act of beholding each other they say ‘Aha! You haven’t eaten recently. You’re having too much sex. You’ve been traveling. And so forth and so on. The octopus becomes its thought. It wears language on its surface the way we wear our clothing. And this system of communication is so important to the o... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
f97ddb17f28e-94 | done. [Inaudible Question] No you’re right. The human faith is like this. That’s right. You see, no other higher animal has faith. A faith is like a little piece of squid skin that we’re wearing where we can transmit all of these – one time I was in India and I was cornered and this guy - I was loaded actually on mesca... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Rap+Dancing+Into+the+Third+Millenium |
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What I’ll do today is I assume most of you are not familiar with my work, but I also assume you’re intelligent, so I’m not going to give an introductory talk. I’ll just cut to the chase and if you don’t understand what’s said, at least you have the sa... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-2 | First of all our fellow voyagers along the way – the scientists – have created, as you all know, the theory of evolution, which has been incr- the great crowning achievement of biology over the past hundred years. First the Darwinian understanding of natural selection and random mutation, then Mendelian genetics, the d... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-3 | Okay, end of introduction. Here’s the scenario, and I hope it has special resonance for this community. All animal species tend to evolve into a- an ecological niche and stabilize themselves there. Ants and termites have been at equilibrium for hundreds of millions of years. Our remote ancestors also were on a direct c... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-4 | Now, the reason animals specialize their food supply is to avoid contact with mutagens in the environment. If you begin experimenting with foods and begin eating everything, uh, you will produce more children with mutations. Some of these mutations will be positive, most will be lethal. Uh, when our remote ancestors ca... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-5 | And here is my answer to this riddle, “where did human consciousness come from?” It begins like this: In that foraging phase where we were testing all kinds of plants on the grassland, small amounts of psilocybin mushrooms would have naturally been eaten in the process of eating corms and things like that. I personally... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-6 | Alright, now, what kind of visual acuity is it that is being improved? Well it turns out it’s what’s called edge detection. In the grassland environment where the movement of small animals means dinner and the movement of large animals means you become dinner [audience laughter] a plant which confers increased visual a... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-7 | Now, something really important here that is my, well this whole thing is my theory, but here is the part of it that I like the best: All primates, all primates, have what are called dominance hierarchies, or male dominance hierarchies. This goes right back clear to Lemurs and the old world monkeys- yes, well the new w... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-8 | Now, and, and what it promoted, this arousal, this psilocybin-taking around the African campfires by these primitive nomadic pastoralists, what the social change that came with it was, was an orgiastic sexual style. A style were everybody would get loaded around the camp fire and then hump in an enormous writhing heap.... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-9 | Theatre, poetry, magic, art, altruism, uh, dance, symbolic and cognitive activity of every sort was born in that window of opportunity when there was simultaneously a chemical suppression of male dominance and consequently an opening to Gaian intentionality, to the intent of the larger biological systems in which the h... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-10 | I wrote a book called The Archaic Revival, in which I try to say that the entire cultural impulse of the 20th century, beginning with Freud and Jung discovering the unconscious, beginning with Picasso dragging back primitive West African masks to Paris and inserting them into his paintings, Dada, pataphysics, jazz, abs... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-11 | So, this, this, uh, well, and then I want to get back to our little process. We’ve now covered step one, better vision through mushroom taking leads to better diets and healthier children. Bigger doses lead to an end to monogamy, a dissolution of pair bonding and a replacement of, of monogamous anxiety, with, uh, polym... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-12 | So, you may say to yourself, “Well, this is all very interesting. This guy has some kind of anthropological revisionist theory and, you know, that’s all well and good, in other words, so what? What does it have to do with us? Well, what it has to do with us is, we are in a state of enormous dysfunctional anxiety as a r... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-13 | Once people stopped moving across the land, once they violated it with the blade of the plough, then you get sedentary populations, the division between the profane world of the city and the wilderness outside. That’s the moment when the division between the unconscious and the conscious mind comes into play and an ent... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-14 | social structure that has taken root in the human psyche like a tumor, like uh, a, a growth of some sort. It is the leftover of this primate dominance complex and the way it manifests itself is by the establishment of boundaries. First of all, this is my body, do not touch it. Second of all, these are my weapons and, a... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-15 | then calls "reality" and woe betide you if you go across the boundary, because then you are outcast, outclassed, outlandish, and the full fury of the community can be turned against you. And we all know what that can mean, as pagans. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-16 | So, I believe that the ego is a dysfunctional, uh, psychic invader. And that it will continue and strengthen to perpetuate itself as long as we do not institute either as groups or within our relationships or as individuals, a regular ritual encounter with the forces which dissolve these boundaries. And the only force ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-17 | So, uh…, well let’s see, where can we go from here? I say all this, if you are interested, I say it better than I’m saying it here, in my book Food of the Gods, which was not written for you people, it’s an argument for people who do not know a great deal about drugs, may never have taken drugs, but through some miracl... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-18 | The truth does not require your belief. The truth is real. You can beat it on the ground, you can rip it apart, you can look inside it. Nobody needs to guard the truth from inspection. Nobody needs to tell you that, you know, you can’t look behind the stage. And so, my motivation is to try to – number one – bring peopl... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-19 | And, and this is a great dilemma for anyone who goes into this. I mean, I am, as I see myself, I’m a preacher in the marketplace, but I know – and I’m sure most of you know – that I could walk out of here, you could walk out of here, and you could go as far as your courage would carry you. There is no barrier. There ar... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-20 | You know, we tend to forget because our lives are so brief, but what we call the psychedelic experience is very, very new on the plate of Western, uh, uh, occultism and science. I mean hashish did not make great inroads into Medieval Europe, that all came later in the 18th and 19th century. Chloroform, ether, these thi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-21 | Okay, one last thought I wanna put out and then I’ll try for some questions.
I have a sort of a rational mind, in that I like to make sense. I don’t mean experimental sense, but I mean if you can build a verbal metaphor to get from one thing to another then you understand it much better. And so I-the magical dimension... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-22 | We don’t need this material civilization. We don’t need five billion people on this planet. We have to think very, very radically about how we are going to change ourselves or we’re not going to make the cut. And orthodoxy is utterly and completely bankrupt. All it can do is suppress. They suppress, they suppress, they... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-23 | We are locked inside, uh, a nightmare, a nightmare of contaminated and toxic imagery that is designed to disempower you and make it impossible for you to think straight. And the way out is straight back to the reality of the vegetable Gnosis. It is there, it has always been there. The societies that never broke the con... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-24 | TM: Well, I think that it’s very hard to find pristine pseudo-Paleolithic, or “pseudo-Neolithic” culture. Even the Amazon, where I’ve spent a lot of time, uh, tribes that were nomadic at the time of, of, uh, contact are now agriculturalist simply because missionary medicine has swollen aboriginal populations to the poi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-25 | Western religion and science is the idea that things should be stable. This is a very male dominant notion, the wish for stability, eternity, when in fact the message life hands you over and over again is “nothing lasts”. Nothing lasts. Not what you love, not what you hate, not your enemies, your friends, not even your... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-26 | mean, if you don’t know that, you gotta go back to square one. And these things empower feeling. They are catalysts for the imagination. I mean, you may not like what psychedelics do to you, they may terrify you. But if it terrifies you then surely it must have catalyzed your imagination, or you wouldn’t have known tha... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-27 | I do want to say one thing. It almost slipped my mind and for those of you who have your hands up I apologize but I think this needs to be said. And I don’t know how many of you know it, but this is a news flash, folks. We interrupt thisprogram to bring you a special announcement. A new psychoactive substance has been ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-28 | the plant is also available, and I wanna tell you about this because [laughter], Okay, no shoving, no shoving! [audience laughter] Alright, not to keep you in suspense any longer. The plant is Salvia divinorum, Salvia divinorum which, some of you who are real mavens of this stuff know it. It’s been in the books for 30 ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-29 | cognener law, which says, if a compound is a structural near-relative, isomer and enantiomer or stereoisomer of an illegal compound then it too can be made illegal. Salvia divinorum doesn’t fit this description. That means that in order to make this stuff illegal the government will have to present medical data showing... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-30 | So, here is the deal: you can grow this plant in a window box in your apartment, in your backyard. It looks like ‘Joe Plant’ [audience laughter]. There is nothing particularly distinguishing about this plant. And if you have three or four cuttings in six or seven months you will have more than you know what to do with.... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-31 | [audience laughter] Well let me ta- here is how I recommend that you do it while we get the chemical thing sorted out. Because the chemical – it could be dangerous. It would be very easy to overdose by a factor of ten, twenty, thirty and you would still just be doing a smidgeon. So I say let’s honor the plants. Let’s n... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-32 | So, lie down in darkness where you can see a digital watch – one of these red-flashing jobs like a K-mart deal and, and then let it …don’t swallow it, but just squeeze it and masticate it. At fifteen minutes by the clock spit it out into a bowl or Kleenex or something. And then just lie there. Lie still in the darkness... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-33 | The experience then will unfold for about 45 minutes. And just lie there and look. And it is beautiful, it is beautiful. I mean, I’m a, a, a connoisseur of hallucination and these deep indigo blues, these cerulean blues against blackness that are like neon and these amorphous Yves Tanguy kind of shapes that are moving ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-34 | [Q:]
Pardon me?
Q: What’s its common name?
Well That’s what I was gonna talk about. It’s native from Mexico. So it has no common name in English. In Spanish it has a very interesting common name. It’s called ‘Ojos de la pastora’, now, ‘The eyes of the shepherdess’. What a strange name. Think about it for a moment. F... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
08c5e3747f8d-35 | This is very, very interesting and if any of you have any thoughts or want work on this, it’s inconceivable, if these people had used this for centuries that they would not have a local Tzotzil name for it. So he said, “Why don’t you have a name for it?” And they said, “Because our grandfathers were the first to use it... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Conversations+on+the+Edge+of+Magic |
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