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a04416f550f3-104 | So, uh, without any teleology being involved, without any invocation of extraterrestrial intelligence we see that a feedback loop was established in the food chain of these primates very early on. Those who ate the mushroom tended to survive and outbreed those who did not, at the same time the relationship between thes... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-105 | The important point I want to make about this later phase of the, uh, human involvement with the mushroom was that it was always intimately connected with cattle. And the Goddess religions of Ancient North Africa and the Middle East are, are, uh, religions of cattle Goddesses, and this connection between the cow and th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-106 | And the reason I think this is important is because the spinoff implications of the acceptance of an idea like this would bring us into much greater harmony with our environment. We sort of have the anxiety of an orphan about our origins because our best people in physical anthropology don’t give very good accounts, ca... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-107 | And, uh, the thing to understand about this, or why this has impact in the future is because it’s a continuous process which we can foster and husband, uh, and help develop in healthy ways if we recognize that it’s going on. I mentioned Eleuisis as this kind of thing going on in historical time, also of course Soma, th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-108 | Now, if we could create a civilization or even a, even uh, a clique within a civilization that understood this and that had its fingers on a vertical monopoly of research from the jungle to the clinical hospital, great things could be understood. Uh, this is the way to do it, to systematically explore these relationshi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-109 | You see it isn’t astonishing I think that self-reflection could emerge giving basic- given basic primate organization, but what is astonishing about it is the speed with which it happened. I mean in the last thirty to fifty thousand years the human brain has changed more than it changed in the previous 3 to 5 million y... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-110 | We are not strictly speaking religious in the 19th century way so that we can not really, I think, accept that, you know, God sculpted us out of clay and set us down here on a world he created, and yet if you were to look for the thumbprint of God on this planet you would certainly have to focus in on the human beings ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-111 | And here are apparently several strategies for this, one is evolve intelligence and build starships. Another is, you know, become a mushroom and produce 3 to 5 million spores per minute during sporulation, that are particles small enough to percolate by Brownian movement away from the atmosphere of the given planet and... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-112 | So that’s that notion, the notion of the importance of, uh, psychedelics in the formation of the- this species and a continuing formation of the cultural design. I think what the psychedelics do is they de-condition from cultural programming and allow models to be replaced at a much greater rate of speed so that, uh, t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-113 | And that’s what the whole crisis and, uh, around the millennium and the whole 20th century really is about, you know, is this, this effort to create a complete summation that can also be used as the force to propel us beyond everything we have been or thought before because there’s obviously no other escape from the cu... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-114 | Are there any questions about any of this? Yes, I said that what we take for granted, that the inside and the outside are the same thing, these things will be assimilated by the larger culture. And things like, uh, you know, human-machine interface and the ego identification with the body, I think all these things are ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-115 | And the answer is probably to some degree yes. Because much of what is intelligence, or appears superficially to be intelligence is simply data and retrieval so that, you know, more and more of the culture is being hardwired into an electronic coral reef that is simply the outermost of each of our own exoskeletons. We ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-116 | And just 20 minutes of that meditation will lead you into pretty strange places. So what would it be like if the culture evolved for a thousand years in that way? If you could be anything. I guess the first step everyone takes is they imagine themselves as the flying saucer, the lenticular, uh, mind-object made of ligh... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-117 | TM: Oh yes well Kat and I did that without even a flashlight battery, just by having children. [audience chuckles] I mean there’s an epigenetic combonent and a genetic component and, but what I’m saying is the difference between these things may become dim indeed, in other words the way a person is made is the way a DN... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-118 | This has to do with my notion that uh, really the next evolutionary leap is uh, well, I shouldn’t call it an evolutionary leap, is uh, it’s a leap in epigenetic development, but is what I call the genesis of visible language. That there is an ability just under the surface of human organization waiting to be coaxed out... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-119 | Well now, the biases in our language that cause us to say things like “I see what you mean” when we mean “I understand you fully” shows that we really place a greater emphasis on seeing the truth than on hearing the truth. So, the truth seen is somehow more valid than the truth heard. And, uh, ayahuasca is a perfect ex... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-120 | But I believe this is a human ability just under the surface, and that in psychedelic states of mind this happens to people. This is why all the fiddling with glossolalia, it’s the hope of reaching, you know, that concordance of chemistry and that the moment will allow this to happen because it’s for some reason very s... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
a04416f550f3-121 | Q: I wanted to, um, pursue this thing of the visual language, because they'll have their mouth open and there will literally be these beautiful things coming out of their mouth with flowers and they interpret this flowery speech, but perhaps, uh, they were in fact doing what you’re talking about.
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a04416f550f3-122 | And this is uh, this is really I think the frontier of shamanism world-wide, that everybody is trying to figure out how far you can go with sound, and what you can do with it and also how dangerous is this? How permanent can some of these brain changes be? And what is the mechanism? You know, is the electron spin reson... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Rites+Of+Spring |
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Understanding and the Imagination in the Light of Nature
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Nature is the Center of the Mandala
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227e6b7d9896-1 | "Now, as a culture we must come to grips with the fact that the world is not simple, in the same way that a nine year-old must come to grips with the fact that the world is not simple – it is not as mummy and daddy said it was: there are tremendous vistas and abysses to be plunged. Ask your uncle and he will tell you t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Psychedelics+Before+and+After+History |
227e6b7d9896-2 | molecules are trying to imbue into us. Now, shamans throughout history have short-circuited the Fall. They are those who know. That's what gnosis is : it is privileged knowledge vouchsafed to the courageous. And the fact that we have fallen into a neurotic or childish style of relating to being, is nothing more than a ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Psychedelics+Before+and+After+History |
227e6b7d9896-3 | of the New World and its subjugation, which was like the carrying out of the ultimate fantasies of these neurotic Judeo-Christian tradition – a world to plunder – ends very oddly : with Gordon Wasson and Valentina Wasson in 1953 penetrating into the jungle highlands of Mexico and finding there something more astonishin... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Psychedelics+Before+and+After+History |
227e6b7d9896-4 | Before and After History, because I see history, as I say, as a prodigal hiatus, a wondering in the desert of Unknowing, an indulgence in an easily cured neurosis, if we will but take upon ourselves the personal – personal! – responsibility for cultivating a relationship with the Mystery! We have bought in so thoroughl... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Psychedelics+Before+and+After+History |
227e6b7d9896-5 | way a stick of dynamite explodes a rotten apple. And in the process, the hierarchies of paternalism, scientism and reductionism will just be completely swept away! And this is all going to happen, God willing, in our lifetimes. My faith is that if it doesn’t happen then the cultural momentum toward a lethal conclusion ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Psychedelics+Before+and+After+History |
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f7755762e73b-1 | A theme was touched on last night which is one of the centerpiece themes of aboriginal shamanism; the felt presence of some kind of alien intelligence. An intelligence that is somehow co-present with the human sense of self, for different people, in different ways, with varying degrees of intensity in different times a... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-2 | But I choose to talk so much about the felt presence of the other because it was for me such an astonishing personal surprise. I was raised Roman-Catholic and indulged in the kind of theological fiddle-faddle that involves. And then grew out of that into atheism, into agnosticism; by the time I got to college I was rea... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-3 | And I discovered, I had, I guess it's called a peak experience, or a core revelation, or being born again, or having your third eye opened, or something, which was a revelation of an alien dimension; a brightly lit, inhabited, non three-dimensional, self-contorting, sustained, organic, linguistically intending modality... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-4 | And as I came down -- this went on for two or three minutes, this situation of disincarnate dimensions orthogonal to reality engulfing me -- and then as I came out of it, and the room re-assembled itself, I said "I can't believe it. It's impossible. It's im-possible." That to call that a "drug" is ridiculous. It means ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-5 | I was quite knocked off my feet. And set myself the goal of understanding this. There was really no choice you see. I don't know how it hits other people. There are many things that can be said about introducing a chemical into your body. They've shown that certain people are 50,000 times more sensitive to the odor of ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-6 | We operate on a very narrow slice based on cultural conventions. So the important thing, if synergizing progress is the notion to be maximized (and I think it's the notion to be maximized), is to try and locate the blind spot in the culture -- the place where the culture isn't looking, because it dare not -- because if... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-7 | So I pursued it. First to Nepal, and involvement with pre-Buddhist shamanism in Tibet. The thing that puzzled me most, I guess because I was an art historian, was the absence of the theme in the artistic productions of human kind. I felt that maybe there was a trace of it in the artistic conceptions of the old pantheon... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-8 | It seemed to me that the raw sense of the shamanically accessed demonic realm was there. I also saw traces in Hellenistic gnosticism, and alchemy. But such thin traces. So I went to Nepal, immersed myself in those studies, and decided ultimately that it was inaccessible -- I wasn't sure whether it was there or not. The... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-9 | In fact, nature ultimately resolves itself into a self-reflecting, syntactical metasystem, right down to the DNA. DNA working as it does, with nucleotide sequences that code -- that means arbitrarily assign association -- code for certain amino acids. It means that organic objects are essentially utterances in three di... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-10 | And so in a way, my take on nature, and culture, and man, is that human language is a meta-linguistic system, generated out of the necessary formal incompleteness of nature. Nature is a self-describing genetic language and yet out of it arises something which is not formally predicted by its constraints and rules. Ther... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-11 | Meaning consequently addresses itself to a much larger potential modality of expression than the genes. The genes basically repeat themselves, over and over. Almost like Homeric poetry, where the idea is that it be memorized and repeated. And that's what sexuality is about: memorizing and repeating gene structures, han... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-12 | The point is clear: in human culture in all times and places, the way in which our cultural institutions have been molded by these so-called tertiary compounds in plants is very suggestive. It seems to me that the felt presence of the other, the alien intelligence felt as being from outer space, is actually co-present ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-13 | The amazing thing to me about the psychedelic experience, is that it can be kept under wraps; that people don't insist; that somehow we're leaving it to experts to figure it out. But did you know that the experts are not allowed to work it out? That in this particular area, the entire human race has been relegated to a... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-14 | In thinking about this and in thinking about how language is the cultural frontier of our species, I went to nature looking for models of how we might move beyond the bird of prey, which when you think about it, is the American symbol. It was also the symbol of the Third Reich. A lot of creepy scenes have actually been... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-15 | But what is really interesting about them is that they communicate with each other by changing the color and texture of their skin and their physical shape. You may know that octopi could change colors, but you may have thought it was camouflage or something very passive like that. It isn't that at all. They have a vas... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-16 | By eliminating the ambiguity of the audio signal, and substituting the concreteness of the visual image, the membrane of separation, that allows the fiction of our individuality, can be temporarily overcome. And the temporary overcoming of the illusion of individuality is a much richer notion of ego-death than the kind... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-17 | So my response to feeling the political pull of this, feeling the power to transform language, that resided in these things, was to go to the people who I thought would know most about it: the shamans for whom hallucinogenic shamanism has never been an issue; for whom the notion that you're supposed to do it on the 'na... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-18 | Going to the Amazon with these kinds of notions, and looking at what had been achieved there, I came to have a vision then, of the future that could be. That we are hurling ourselves into a new stone age, where the fruits of the prodigal wandering, that I discussed in such detail last night, can be used to infuse new m... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-19 | The minaturization of our world is a great frontier. As culture becomes more enveloping, its physical manifestation should become less material. So the ultimate notion is of the world turned back to the form it held, let's say 35,000 years ago, in which people lived in an environment of entirely climaxed natural perfec... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-20 | McLuhan saw all this 20 years ago: he said that the rise of global electronic feudalism would create an atomistic fragmentation of culture. It may well be that within 50 years the largest organizational entity on the planet will be corporations with a few million loyal employees, and all larger social institutions will... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-21 | Plato said time is the moving image of eternity. My notion of shamanism is, it is that state of mind which accrues to those who have seen the end. By cultivating this notion of closure with hyper-space, imaged as the archaic return to the world of the pre-cultural ambiance, we can have an anticipation of the transcende... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
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f7755762e73b-23 | I might elaborate on the answer for some of you who are not familiar with the premise. The reason I suggested that the mushroom might have been engineered and be in fact an artifact of an alien intelligence was number one, of course, the informational content of the trip, but number two, the fact that psilocybin is one... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-24 | There's an interesting book by Cyril Punampurama called Perspectives on the Problem of Extraterrestrial Communication. In it he outlines what he believes would be a general strategy for extraterrestrial contact that any kind of species would have to operate with if it were to seriously conduct a search through space. A... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-25 | If we could bring it back, somehow, it would change the world. Perhaps people are bringing it back, by designing buildings and creating fashions or fashioning mathematical descriptions of reality. I never had that aspiration. I just simply defined myself, more humbly than that, as a consumer of ideology, as an intellec... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-26 | What the timewave is, is a seeing that the very largest patterns which describe the whole birth, evolution and death of the universe, are repeated at successively shorter and shorter spans of time, down into the quantum-mechanically and micro-electronically cognizable realms of time. The realm of nano and pico seconds.... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-27 | R: I would be only too happy to. The question is would I care to prophesy based on this timeline? Yes, one of the assumptions built into the theory is that time is a series of nested resonances. And that each time is composed of resonance with previous and future times on varying levels. The time we are living through,... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-28 | Now, in the present situation of the 20th century these themes are being recapitulated at an extremely rapid rate. So their Dark Age is for us, a tough three or four years, fortunately. It's said history occurs first as tragedy, then as farce. We are the heirs of the vast tragedy of extended history who live through th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-29 | Around 2000 the resonance pattern will have shifted, and we will be occupying a relationship to the late high Middle Ages, and the emergence of the new social forms created by the emergence of the mercantile class and the bourgeois. In other words private wealth, cities, end of cultural insularity, a re-starting of the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-30 | We have to recall that as recently as 500 years ago the continent that we are inhabiting was unknown, it was something talked of by wild-eyed dreamers. It was an impossibility, a psychedelic dimension. Everyone knew that when you sailed west far enough there be monsters and that was the end of it. It was, literally, th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-31 | Once it has emerged there will be no big deal about it. In the same way that we look back at the emergence of language. And nobody gets excited about it, or only a few philosophers do. And yet the fact that we possess language is the thumbprint of God upon our species. It's an impossible break with previous animal orga... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
f7755762e73b-32 | The transcendental object, suggests to me a negative casuistry -- a purpose in the universe that is focusing and drawing everything toward it. And in fact I've said, history is the shock-wave of eschatology. History, which lasts 10,000 years, is a microsecond of ultra-complex experience, where the penetration of the na... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/The+Light+in+Nature |
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[Jeffery Mishlove, Ph.D.]: Hel... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-1 | [Terence McKenna]: It's a pleasure to be here with you.
[Mishlove]: It's a pleasure to have you here with me, also. You know, the UFO phenomenon is, uh, striking because it's so bizarre. It seems as if the, the reports that come in about UFOs defy any attempt whatsoever to categorize them. I guess from my point of vie... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-2 | [Mishlove]: Or missionary activity.
[McKenna]: -- or missionary activity, to the vicinity of our planet. This was a myth that sprang up but concomitant with the modern wave of sightings that began shortly after World War II. As time has passed and the number of sightings has gone from hundreds to thousands to hundreds... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-3 | [Mishlove]: Unless such a person were told great messages of hope for the planet.
[McKenna]: Well, and this is a persistent part of the flying saucer phenomenon [Mishlove: Yea]-- that people who have close contact with the saucers return with messages of universal brotherhood and benevolence, with stories of a benefic... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-4 | [Mishlove]: Of course, a single probe could cause thousands of appearances.
[McKenna]: If it were of a sophisticated enough nature, that's right. The approach that I have taken, that has charactermize--, uh, characterized my work with this phenomenon, was first of all to say, we have not carried out a sufficiently in-... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-5 | [McKenna]: Oh, there's no question but what this is happening -- that through what's called Brownian motion, which is sort of random percolation, spores do reach the outer edge of our atmosphere, and, there, in the presence of cosmic rays and meteors and rare, highly energetic events, occasionally a very small percenta... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-6 | [McKenna]: We're dealing with more than mushroom spores, at least as ordinarily conceived. And, I--I think the thing that has been overlooked in almost all discussions of extraterrestrial contact is how strange the extraterrestrial is likely to be. It isn't going to be a friendly, elfin little feller with a beating hea... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-7 | [McKenna]: Well, except that, have all life forms been examined, to see to what degree they deviate, percentage-wise, from, let's say, a standard DNA molecule? The answer is no. The sequencing of DNA is a very expensive process, and is only carried out on laboratory organisms with an extensive history of involvement in... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-8 | [McKenna]: Yes, nature is a communicating system [Mishlove: mmmhmmm] of some sort, and the, the problem that we have is to transcend cultural languages [Mishlove: mmhmmm], historically created languages with very limited applications, and instead fall into phase with the communication systems that nature has placed all... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-9 | [McKenna]: Oh yes, this is an important point to make, which the flying saucer people are forever misunderstanding, and that is, saying that the flying saucer is a psychic object does not mean that it is not a physical object. Uh, Jung in 'Mysterium Coniunctionis' is at great pains to say that the realm of the psychic ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-10 | [McKenna]: That's right. [Mishlove: mmhmmm] The current physical models of the universe require eleven dimensions, eleven integrated variables to describe. And that's physical models of the universe. If we then turn our attention to mind and realize that we have no definition of what mind is, why then is there any myst... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-11 | [McKenna]: Yes, this is the so-called postmodern approach -- to ask the question, not what is the UFO, but what is it doing to us? And, Jacques Vallee pioneered this approach. And, the answer is fascinating. What the UFOs are doing to us, to global society, is they are eroding faith in science by casting directly in th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-12 | was really onto something when he saw it as coming from the unconscious. It is like an object coming from the unconscious with a compensatory function -- to turn us away from the rational and toward the intuitive; to turn us away from the paternalistic, Apollonian, solar, uh, masculine view of things, and toward a kind... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-13 | and the kind of partnership society that we require to survive. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-14 | [Mishlove]: And yet, it seems as if that challenge is not a direct confrontation. As Vallee points out, the UFOs are operating almost at the mythological level of our culture. They're not landing in the White House; they're not really challenging the military or NASA.
[McKenna]: No, they're very mercurial, very watery... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-15 | [McKenna]: Well, I don't know about the work of the devil. Jung's criticism of Christianity was that it had not made a place for what he called the shadow, and he said the production Chr---the productions of Christian culture will always be neurotic because the shadow has not been included, so there's a lack of psychic... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-16 | [Mishlove]: The omega point of history, so to speak.
[McKenna]: Yes, it would cure all ills, confer longevity, fertility, virility, immortality. And I think that the flying saucer is an airborne philosopher's stone -- the sophic hydrolith of Paracelsus haunting the skies of modern America, with a promise of mandalic c... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-17 | [McKenna]: That's right. [Mishlove: I've researched many of these cases myself] The thing is both material and psychological. It anticipates the future. It seems that the memories of the contactees are transparent to this force. It can reach deep into their lives and confront them with information taken from forgotten ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-18 | [Mishlove]: Well, you have talked earlier about our need to make an extensive survey of all of the biological manifestations on our planet. It almost seems that, eh, in order to really get a handle on the UFO phenomenon, we'd need to make a comparable survey of all of the psychological manifestations of which we are aw... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Aliens+and+Archetypes |
95ceb1a9d6c6-19 | [McKenna]: It's always a pleasure to talk with you.
[Mishlove]: And, thank you very much for being with us.
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Jeffrey Mishlove: Hello and welcome, I’m Jeffrey Mishlove. Today we are going to... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+and+the+I+Ching |
c2287ca81881-1 | JM: And, I know in the literature today, especially in trans-personal psychology, there are many psychotherapists who use the I Ching as a regular part of their practice. And, parapsychologists have, have found striking evidence that the [stutters] coincidences of tossing the coins in the I Ching do have, uh, psycholog... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+and+the+I+Ching |
c2287ca81881-2 | ], so we have in other words families of ways of looking at time.
JM: Now, you’re describing this in mathematical terms, and I’d like to come back and ask you to define the term fractal in a moment, but I-I'm also curious about how you seem to be going back and forth between something purely quantitative and something... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+and+the+I+Ching |
c2287ca81881-3 | JM: Mmhm], but we cannot know what the f-what the scenery will look like. People who have looked at my theory have said ‘Well, these time maps that your computer draws, you’re trying to get rid of the future’. And, as a matter of fact, a map of time no more eliminates the future than a map of South America eliminates t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+and+the+I+Ching |
c2287ca81881-4 | JM: Ahh]. There are 64 codons which code for amino acids in DNA, uh, there are 64 hexagrams, there are 8 primary hexagrams, there are 8 indispensable amino acids. I felt that, uh, really, the I Ching is like mankind’s best shot at this, because it has this reflection in the biological matrix out of which consciousness ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+and+the+I+Ching |
c2287ca81881-5 | ], and, and, you must be suggesting therefore that the human mind, at this very deep level that the sages discovered from stilling their organism, that the mind has a parallel structure, an isomorphic structure.
JM: Terence McKenna, you’re taking the provocative position that the I Ching, which some people view as rel... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+and+the+I+Ching |
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Jeffrey Mishlove: Hello and welcome. Our topic today is hallucinogens and cul... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Hallucinogens+%26+Culture |
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