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CMV: Publicly posted closing times at restaurants should align with their “last order” time
Recently, I walked into a restaurant thirty minutes before their publicly posted closing time to order takeout, and they stated that they don’t accept orders forty minutes before closing time. Because most customers assume they... | "Kitchen closes at X" is a fairly universal term that distinguishes between the posted closing time and the last available order slot. What if it's a joint that has a bar open later than the kitchen? Which time do they post?
Additionally, it's incredibly hard to implement a plan that gets all restaurants on the same p... | >Because most customers assume they can order up until the posted closing time
No we don't. Unless you have lived in box all your life, you would know what last calls are and how closing time works. Almost every adult that has gone out enough knows how things work. Kitchen closes usually 30 mins early but if you alrea... | tlelr4 | CMV: Publicly posted closing times at restaurants should align with their “last order” time | Recently, I walked into a restaurant thirty minutes before their publicly posted closing time to order takeout, and they stated that they don’t accept orders forty minutes before closing time. Because most customers assume they can order up until the posted closing time, restaurants should make their “last order” time ... | Rock540 | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: While playing video games, imposing self-restrictions in the gameplay is the only thing that's worth admiration
My belief is that, while playing video games, imposing restrictions like "don't use items", "don't wear armor", "one party member only" is the only way gamers can prove their true mastery in a video ga... | I am mostly in agreement but there's one thing I have to question, and another thing I need to point out.
>even exploit the half-baked A.I. that controls the enemy behavior during combat.
What exactly do you mean by this, in most cases against a computer enemy players would seek to exploit weaknesses (as in bad decis... | What about speed runs? They don’t have any restrictions just complete mastery of a game and it’s mechanics?
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It's not rare for a speedrunner to be bad in the exact video game that he's speedrunning if played normally. The only thing a speedrunner can prove is mastery to the predetermined path and the goal is clear... | 85czxn | CMV: While playing video games, imposing self-restrictions in the gameplay is the only thing that's worth admiration | My belief is that, while playing video games, imposing restrictions like "don't use items", "don't wear armor", "one party member only" is the only way gamers can prove their true mastery in a video game. **EDIT: I USE SELF-IMPOSED RESTRICTIONS AS SIMILAR EXPRESSION TO SELF-IMPOSED CHALLENGES. SORRY FOR MAKING YOU TAK... | TurboButtonOrNoBuy | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Public nudity and sex are illegitimately taboo
Disclaimer: I'm not personally interested in having sex in public, nor watching it either. I'm interested in challenging patriarchy, authority, and unquestioned conventions.
Tldr: If consenting adults want to walk around without clothes or have at it in a public sp... | Well, let's imagine it in practice.
Let's say you're on the subway on a warm summer's day, just sitting there in the nude reading your book on the way to work. The train pulls into the station and a bunch of naked people get on. Now you have a guy in his late fifties, some forty pounds overweight, standing in front o... | It's not cleanly.
Just touching and breathing on things makes them so filthy we have a pandemic.
Imagine someone not using shoes and spreading worms and fungus
Or someone with a fever sweating with their full naked body on a fabric bus seat.
Not to mention the penile, anal, and vaginal discharge that is now added i... | k7u1io | CMV: Public nudity and sex are illegitimately taboo | Disclaimer: I'm not personally interested in having sex in public, nor watching it either. I'm interested in challenging patriarchy, authority, and unquestioned conventions.
Tldr: If consenting adults want to walk around without clothes or have at it in a public space, I can't come up with a good reason why I, or any... | [deleted] | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Public nudity and sex are illegitimately taboo
Disclaimer: I'm not personally interested in having sex in public, nor watching it either. I'm interested in challenging patriarchy, authority, and unquestioned conventions.
Tldr: If consenting adults want to walk around without clothes or have at it in a public sp... | Well, let's imagine it in practice.
Let's say you're on the subway on a warm summer's day, just sitting there in the nude reading your book on the way to work. The train pulls into the station and a bunch of naked people get on. Now you have a guy in his late fifties, some forty pounds overweight, standing in front o... | You should’ve created two different threads, one for public nudity and the other for sex.
There could be people and arguments that apply to one and doesn't to another.
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My arguments are entwined though. If sex is wrong in public but not nudity in principle (not counting factors like leaving litter behind), there ... | k7u1io | CMV: Public nudity and sex are illegitimately taboo | Disclaimer: I'm not personally interested in having sex in public, nor watching it either. I'm interested in challenging patriarchy, authority, and unquestioned conventions.
Tldr: If consenting adults want to walk around without clothes or have at it in a public space, I can't come up with a good reason why I, or any... | [deleted] | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Public nudity and sex are illegitimately taboo
Disclaimer: I'm not personally interested in having sex in public, nor watching it either. I'm interested in challenging patriarchy, authority, and unquestioned conventions.
Tldr: If consenting adults want to walk around without clothes or have at it in a public sp... | Well, let's imagine it in practice.
Let's say you're on the subway on a warm summer's day, just sitting there in the nude reading your book on the way to work. The train pulls into the station and a bunch of naked people get on. Now you have a guy in his late fifties, some forty pounds overweight, standing in front o... | It's not cleanly.
Just touching and breathing on things makes them so filthy we have a pandemic.
Imagine someone not using shoes and spreading worms and fungus
Or someone with a fever sweating with their full naked body on a fabric bus seat.
Not to mention the penile, anal, and vaginal discharge that is now added i... | k7u1io | CMV: Public nudity and sex are illegitimately taboo | Disclaimer: I'm not personally interested in having sex in public, nor watching it either. I'm interested in challenging patriarchy, authority, and unquestioned conventions.
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CMV: Sex ed should be mandatory.
*good comprehensive sex ed should be mandatory
Some schools in the middle of America don’t do sex ed, or if they do, they make it super watered down. Ignorant, hyper-religious parents protest sex ed because they don’t like the idea of the children growing up or using birth control.
T... | Does abstinence-only sex ed count as sex ed for you?
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I don’t have a strong opinion on it, but I’m not a big fan. It’s definitely better than nothing. I just want to make it clear that sex should be learned in a school, not from porn
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Here's the place I would want to change your view at least slightly, by mak... | You are running on the assumption that the sex ed that's provided will be of acceptable quality. Abstinence only is the standard for many school districts. For a lot of americans, mean girls is a pretty accurate depiction of sex ed. [Don't have sex. Cuz you will get pregnant. And die.](https://youtu.be/SfoRaVvlK0I).
T... | i2d9cr | CMV: Sex ed should be mandatory. | *good comprehensive sex ed should be mandatory
Some schools in the middle of America don’t do sex ed, or if they do, they make it super watered down. Ignorant, hyper-religious parents protest sex ed because they don’t like the idea of the children growing up or using birth control.
The fact of the matter is your kid ... | Man_Riding_Shrimp | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Never, under any circumstance, talk to anyone in law enforcement
when they're outside of work or unless absolutely necessary. Even if they're on sick leave, or laying next to you in bed, especially if you don't have a lawyer. They tell you so when they're reading you your rights during an arrest but anything you ... | My kid gets kidnapped. What should I do?
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That is an illegal act, call the people whose job it is to enforce the law and ensure that illegal acts do not pass.
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So what you’re saying is in this circumstance I **should** speak to law enforcement?
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Okay, so my last Delta was rejected so I will explain mysel... | Would you talk to the police if one of them was blessed with an impressive set of buttocks?
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I.... 😳 maybe...
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But that would invalidate your no talk stance. The fact that you would consider it proves again that big asses will save humanity!!!
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Hahahaha it's impossible for me to resist such temptations ... | tmj1py | CMV: Never, under any circumstance, talk to anyone in law enforcement | when they're outside of work or unless absolutely necessary. Even if they're on sick leave, or laying next to you in bed, especially if you don't have a lawyer. They tell you so when they're reading you your rights during an arrest but anything you say ***can and will*** be used against you in a court of law in a justi... | brawl113 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: If someone's residence is under a mandatory evacuation and they have children, don't evacuate, and eventually need to be rescued, they should be charged with child endangerment. If the child dies, charge them with manslaughter.
If the government calls for a mandatory evacuation and you want to risk your own life ... | The obvious problem with this is that it makes people less willing to call for help when they actually need it. Since doing so will result in prosecution.
Surely whatever your stance on this, it should negate actually calling for help as the key action. As that will disenfranchise people from doing so at the risk of t... | I agree with you in principle, but some people simply don't have the means to get out of town. Lack of money, lack of transportation, etc. (I don't know if they have buses for that kind of thing or not in all cases, but I don't think they did when Katrina hit.)
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Having children is expensive. There are things that... | 6wf8qu | CMV: If someone's residence is under a mandatory evacuation and they have children, don't evacuate, and eventually need to be rescued, they should be charged with child endangerment. If the child dies, charge them with manslaughter. | If the government calls for a mandatory evacuation and you want to risk your own life to ride out a storm, that's your business. But when you make children ride it out with you because they are children and unable to make such decisions on their own, and their lives then become so endangered that you need to call for h... | DigitalMariner | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Capital A Atheism is a religion
Most atheists will say that atheism is not a religion, it is merely a disbelief in one or many Gods. I believe that they are technically correct but they often conflate what I call small a atheism which is merely the disbelief in god(s) with what I call capital A Atheism which I as... | Religion:
> the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
That does not describe atheism or Atheism.
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Where did you get that definition and why is it superior to mine?
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Google -- and because I didn't just make it up based on my own personal beliefs.
Why do... | Do believe that it is similar to a religion or that it is an actual religion?
What is your working definition of "a religion"?
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I believe that etically it is a religion but not emically. I define religion as a series of beliefs and practices alongside a cultural identity which are seen as being moral as opposed t... | 85dtw8 | CMV: Capital A Atheism is a religion | Most atheists will say that atheism is not a religion, it is merely a disbelief in one or many Gods. I believe that they are technically correct but they often conflate what I call small a atheism which is merely the disbelief in god(s) with what I call capital A Atheism which I associate with [New Atheism](https://en.... | [deleted] | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: Capital A Atheism is a religion
Most atheists will say that atheism is not a religion, it is merely a disbelief in one or many Gods. I believe that they are technically correct but they often conflate what I call small a atheism which is merely the disbelief in god(s) with what I call capital A Atheism which I as... | Religion:
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Where did you get that definition and why is it superior to mine?
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Why do... | Do believe that it is similar to a religion or that it is an actual religion?
What is your working definition of "a religion"?
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CMV: Capital A Atheism is a religion
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What is your working definition of "a religion"?
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CMV: as shootings are increasing in America and people are labeled as heroes we should not publish their names or recognize them just like we try to do with the shooter.
We discourage notariety of the shooter by not pasting their name or picture on the news. The logic is to show any idolization and reduce chance of co... | >thus becoming a victim of a shooting that may cause the shooter to be less predictable and more dangerous.
Depends on the situation. If it's a hostage situation where the shooter isn't actively picking people off, sure, you don't want to make him jumpy.
But if the shooter is roaming the halls of a school or business... | Shootings aren't increasing in America.
And are you suggesting we make it illegal to publish the names of shooters?
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Increasing or no, it appears that as they persist how they end is up for question on optimal scenario. Many seem to end in shooter suicide but more appear to end in either police force ending it, w... | 8n3i4u | CMV: as shootings are increasing in America and people are labeled as heroes we should not publish their names or recognize them just like we try to do with the shooter. | We discourage notariety of the shooter by not pasting their name or picture on the news. The logic is to show any idolization and reduce chance of copycats.
By that same logic as people are more likely to engage with a shooter to stop things we should follow the same procedure to discourage idolization of the hero and... | Diggitynes | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People don't have the right to complain
Sometimes, I would post something on an Internet forum or whatever and sometimes, people would respond with "No one cares! Stop posting!" or whatever. I dislike that.
The reason why I dislike such complaints is because I have freedom of expression to post what I like on th... | Just like you have the freedom of expression to make those posts, they have the freedom of expression to complain about them. It’s twofold, that’s how free speech works
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The reason why I dislike such complaints is because I have freedom of expression to post what I like on the Internet and also in real life, unless it ca... | Xavier_Rhino | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The most common sexual abusers are not adults but minors
Edit: The title should read, The most common sexual abusers of minors are not adults but minors
The essence of the special consideration given to the protected category that is minors as regards ability to consent to sexual activity is that as an average t... | Your title says one thing, then your post doesnt even address that claim. You just seem to be arguing for prosecuting kids for sex?
How about this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Lib... | this is a guess, but people are adults for a lot longer than they are minors. it would seem pretty improbable to me that a majority of sexual assaults would be from minors compared to the entire adult population & considering that "minors" would include people who are very very young and definitely not capable of sexua... | k7sp9m | CMV: The most common sexual abusers are not adults but minors | Edit: The title should read, The most common sexual abusers of minors are not adults but minors
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CMV: The most common sexual abusers are not adults but minors
Edit: The title should read, The most common sexual abusers of minors are not adults but minors
The essence of the special consideration given to the protected category that is minors as regards ability to consent to sexual activity is that as an average t... | So legally, this is a tricky issue.
Many places have so called "Romeo and juliet" laws which explicitly exclude consenting underage partners within a given age difference.
In other places, such laws do not necessarily exist which can often have horrible results.
The purpose of statutory rape laws is to protect mi... | Your title says one thing, then your post doesnt even address that claim. You just seem to be arguing for prosecuting kids for sex?
How about this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Lib... | k7sp9m | CMV: The most common sexual abusers are not adults but minors | Edit: The title should read, The most common sexual abusers of minors are not adults but minors
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CMV: The use of affirmative action should be banned in public college admissions
I believe that affirmative action (preference to underrepresented racial minorities) should be banned at any university funded by taxpayer dollars.
There are two primary justifications for affirmative action.
The first is that it levels... | The main reason diversity is important is so that people form relationships with people who are different from them. Racism is still a major problem in our country, and you're a lot less likely to be racist if you form meaningful relationships with those from other races. Think of it as a racism prevention policy.
... | Academia has long had a valuable role in the creation of a country’s policies and stances. The viewpoints of independent experts are a vital resource in shaping public debate, and they are encouraged to investigate ideas that may be little-known or unpopular.
Indeed, that is precisely the logic behind having a tenure ... | 6werg0 | CMV: The use of affirmative action should be banned in public college admissions | I believe that affirmative action (preference to underrepresented racial minorities) should be banned at any university funded by taxpayer dollars.
There are two primary justifications for affirmative action.
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CMV: An Electric Ferrari Spells The End Of Ferrari
We all grew up envying supercars and the growl of a V12 engine. But I can’t understand how Ferrari and soon Lamborghini can survive and thrive with electric motors.
Yes, electric is more efficient. It’s the right thing to do in light of earth’s challenges. It may ev... | If a super car is not defined by its performance but by sound and style alone isn’t it already failing it’s purpose
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My impression has always been both contributing to its reputation. A supercar doesn’t mean it takes a straightaway the fastest. It also means turning heads in your garage or at brunch. Can a Ferrari... | Across history the only thing that is consistently fashionable is wealth.
Loud, rumbling exhausts may be the traditional style for powerful automobiles but it doesn't look like that is the future. The flaw in your thinking is that the purchasers of a Ferrari are buying it because it has 900 horsepower or whatever. Tha... | vouzwo | CMV: An Electric Ferrari Spells The End Of Ferrari | We all grew up envying supercars and the growl of a V12 engine. But I can’t understand how Ferrari and soon Lamborghini can survive and thrive with electric motors.
Yes, electric is more efficient. It’s the right thing to do in light of earth’s challenges. It may even make a statement that a lowly Volt to a mighty Si... | [deleted] | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Children of immigrants should be denied citizenship if they express anti-American sentiments.
This relates to certain discussion that were had during the last administration. Honestly going into far left circles, I've been shocked to see some second generation immigrants that express pretty strong anti-American s... | Unfortunately that goes against freedom of speech which is just about the most American thing. You can't speak out about how horrible this country, that makes us different than China.
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Well the freedom of speech has limits. Even the first amendment has limits specified in the article. It doesn't apply to every spe... | Denying someone access to a country for criticizing the very same country is antithetical to progress on that country as a whole. Criticism is an important part of improvement and complaceny is what leafs leafs corrupt government because worry their lives could be at risk for criticism.
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There's a difference betw... | p7m8rl | CMV: Children of immigrants should be denied citizenship if they express anti-American sentiments. | This relates to certain discussion that were had during the last administration. Honestly going into far left circles, I've been shocked to see some second generation immigrants that express pretty strong anti-American sentiments. I have known one, the son of Pakistani migrants, who said "I have always hated America. I... | Brotherofmankind | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Blaming others outside the conversation is bound to leave the conversation with no progress.
Just a natural thought after seeing so many people just blame this person and that person, this party and that party, and just watching a bunch of accusing people fight in the skirmish that the original accuser who distra... | What if it is actually someone's fault and progress can only happen when they take accountability, or a sufficient majority finally agrees on what the problem is?
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I don't think anyone in the group can take accountability for a third party outside the group, but let me know if you think otherwise
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Interesting. I know it's hard to take accountability, bu... | 1oszhda | CMV: Blaming others outside the conversation is bound to leave the conversation with no progress. | Just a natural thought after seeing so many people just blame this person and that person, this party and that party, and just watching a bunch of accusing people fight in the skirmish that the original accuser who distracted everyone just escaped. I swear it's like some super ninja trick. Just poof out of a cloud of s... | AWeb3Dad | 3 | 2 | [
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CMV: Unless your profession or hobby is engaging in politics or you're just curious, there's no point or obligation to being well-informed.
To me, there is not a point to being informed beyond basic facts about a situation/issues. Of course I think it's important to know things that go on in the world like the conflic... | I would agree with you if the added the qualifier ".....and also don't vote".
At the very lest you should be able to make a well informed decision when you go to vote for your state/local government, since they affect your life WAY more on a day to day basis than anything else.
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I wouldn't agree with that necess... | This is true unless you live in a democracy, which most of the people reading this do.
If you live in a democracy, then politicians are supposed to respond to your will on these types of matters, and they monitor things like surveys of public opinion, which coverage and pundits are popular on a topic, who actually win... | tmbway | CMV: Unless your profession or hobby is engaging in politics or you're just curious, there's no point or obligation to being well-informed. | To me, there is not a point to being informed beyond basic facts about a situation/issues. Of course I think it's important to know things that go on in the world like the conflict in Ukraine, hurricanes, weather, etc. because those things can have a material impact on your life, but there isn't really a reason to go b... | HoustonTexan | 3 | 2 | [
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CMV: Most babies are essentially tiny milk addicts.
Now, I'm taking a graduate level addictions therapies class. I also have a friend that recently had a baby. Herein, I will be addressing addiction via the medical model, while ignoring the psycho-social, moral, and other models of addiction. I'm aware that my view do... | You can certainly draw parallels to addiction, but it's a label we typically reserve for things that aren't essential to survival. For example, we wouldn't call anyone an air addict.
Similarly, what you describe as withdrawal sounds like regular hunger. And it's not like babies exercise a lapse in otherwise good self-... | I think the clear difference between a baby:milk and a junkie:heroin is that milk is the baby's sole source of nutrition, and it will literally die without it. It's not showing signs of addiction. It's showing signs of need, of actual physical necessity. It's "addicted" to milk in the same way that you're "addicted"... | 9oeryv | CMV: Most babies are essentially tiny milk addicts. | Now, I'm taking a graduate level addictions therapies class. I also have a friend that recently had a baby. Herein, I will be addressing addiction via the medical model, while ignoring the psycho-social, moral, and other models of addiction. I'm aware that my view doesn't hold up via those current models. However, it t... | DrugsOnly | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People should be disenfranchised if they aren't knowledgeable enough about the political process
Recent elections have been blighted by 'alternative facts', 'fake news' and general misinformation. A lot of people believe things which simply do not match the objective truth, and these beliefs have been manipulated... | Assuming you understand that gerrymandering is a thing that politicians use on both sides of the spectrum to control demographics and get election outcomes they like, what's to stop politicians from easily abusing this system too?
For instance, PoC are much more likely to vote democrat. There is also defacto segregat... | Is this theoretical test to be made available in multiple languages? If not, why not? If so, how much do you trust the translators, and how do you decide which languages are "worthy" of having test-versions?
Is it available in a verbal form as well as a written one? If not, why are you advocating disenfranchising t... | 68bbyk | CMV: People should be disenfranchised if they aren't knowledgeable enough about the political process | Recent elections have been blighted by 'alternative facts', 'fake news' and general misinformation. A lot of people believe things which simply do not match the objective truth, and these beliefs have been manipulated to bolster support for certain candidates. Those who have such a warped world view that they are susce... | strictly_increasing | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: Democrats and Liberals are doing PR for the Iranian Regime to further their own political interests
I think it’s important for the opposition party to critique the actions of the president, but recent remarks by prominent democrats and liberals seem designed to further their own political interests even at the co... | I think you are misunderstanding most of the debate here. Obviously some are doing the things you say and I actually agree with a good bit of your points.
However, I am a Dem and I am massively against what trump did.
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This guy was way way up the chain in Iran, its simply not equivalent to a lot of the types... | 1. Source please
2. How is Libya anything like a targeted assassination? First of all, the US did not even lead the war into Libya... that was France and Great Britain. If anything, we were following the lead of our allies just as they had followed our lead into Iraq and Afghanistan.
3. What does any of this have to do... | eo67v9 | CMV: Democrats and Liberals are doing PR for the Iranian Regime to further their own political interests | I think it’s important for the opposition party to critique the actions of the president, but recent remarks by prominent democrats and liberals seem designed to further their own political interests even at the cost of defending the Iranian regime and wrongly giving them the moral high ground.
- blaming Trump on Iran... | peekabookpenguin | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Reddit should not allow "Safe Space" subreddits to exist.
Echo chambers for political opinions are incredibly dangerous.
Evidence of this can be seen in peaceful protests that splinter off into riots, or the white supremacist march in Virginia where someone drove a car into the opposing crowd. Online communities... | Does this only apply to political subreddits? Or should emotional support subreddits not be allowed to delete unsupportive comments?
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Well the kind of person who would disrupt an emotional support subreddit is the same kind of troll that pretty much everyone on the internet is aware of. I believe that under those... | Because some persons tend to become more violent when staying between the same kind of opinion, all echo chambers shall be shut down ?
Some people want to discuss, exchange, get better arguments, find support in difficult situations, and won't become violent because they got a subreddit for them.
Take vegetarians fo... | 77evah | CMV: Reddit should not allow "Safe Space" subreddits to exist. | Echo chambers for political opinions are incredibly dangerous.
Evidence of this can be seen in peaceful protests that splinter off into riots, or the white supremacist march in Virginia where someone drove a car into the opposing crowd. Online communities that can and/or will ban people for going against the grain, es... | Bfranx | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Reddit should not allow "Safe Space" subreddits to exist.
Echo chambers for political opinions are incredibly dangerous.
Evidence of this can be seen in peaceful protests that splinter off into riots, or the white supremacist march in Virginia where someone drove a car into the opposing crowd. Online communities... | Dude, reddit exists so that people can talk about whatever they want. Part of the beauty of the system is that if there is a dissenting faction in a sub they can leave to make their own sub where they can express their views freely without repercussion. Yes it can lead to close-minded subs, but it means that no person ... | Because some persons tend to become more violent when staying between the same kind of opinion, all echo chambers shall be shut down ?
Some people want to discuss, exchange, get better arguments, find support in difficult situations, and won't become violent because they got a subreddit for them.
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CMV: Paper Mario is not that great
I am a lifelong Super Mario fan, let me start by saying that. Every game up to Paper Mario is pure gold.
However Paper Mario never clicked for me. Yes, I owned it. Yes I put enough time into beating it. But there were substantial. problems that I never get over.
1. This was suppose... | Is it possible it's for a younger audience?
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Usually I don’t like this argument, because children’s movies/games should still be good even though they’re for children, you should be able to criticise them if they’re done poorly.
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specifically the original one on N64. After all, you don't get the rest without the original. But it made the others not worth playing | 1osxvog | CMV: Paper Mario is not that great | I am a lifelong Super Mario fan, let me start by saying that. Every game up to Paper Mario is pure gold.
However Paper Mario never clicked for me. Yes, I owned it. Yes I put enough time into beating it. But there were substantial. problems that I never get over.
1. This was supposed to be some spiritual successor to ... | UnusualPublic2371 | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: Popular media is making true crime entertainment unethical
I feel like the rise of true crime content in media, from podcasts to Netflix series, often glamorizes the criminals, real-life tragedies and exploits the suffering of victims for entertainment.
This can blur the line between awareness and voyeurism, de... | > I feel like the rise of true crime content in media, from podcasts to Netflix series, often glamorizes the criminals, real-life tragedies
Can you give some example of this glamorization? How does a *glamorized* depiction differ from a neutral/descriptive depiction of the criminal or tragedy?
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The glamorisation ... | If that's the line you're taking, then you're not going far enough. War and natural disasters must be on that list as well. Otherwise we're glorifying violence and death on a much grander scale.
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This can blur the line between awareness and voyeurism, desensitise audiences to violence, and potentially harm victims' fa... | Own-Class1397 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The United States will, at some level, outlaw abortion, gay marriage, and interracial marriage
Let me put my bias and world view on the table upfront: I'm a straight white male. I live in a blue state. I consider myself liberal, agnostic, and I'm not married and don't intend to be. Much of my world view is influe... | [70% or the US supports gay marriage. ](https://news.gallup.com/poll/350486/record-high-support-same-sex-marriage.aspx)
[94% for interracial marriage. ](https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx)
Those two are pretty much solved. There’s no justification for removing those protec... | States may attempt this (some are) but the Fedgov has already said this ain't their problem.
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This seems to reinforce my viewpoint, then. (Which seems very bleak to me). But I suppose one must respect the rights of states.
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No, you are saying the Fed will do it. SCOTUS can't live forever. | tm2l5k | CMV: The United States will, at some level, outlaw abortion, gay marriage, and interracial marriage | Let me put my bias and world view on the table upfront: I'm a straight white male. I live in a blue state. I consider myself liberal, agnostic, and I'm not married and don't intend to be. Much of my world view is influenced by these factors.
So getting to the point, I'm looking for my view to be changed on what I now ... | drygnfyre | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: (demon slayer) Tanjiro was wrong. Rengoku did not win...
Please do not say any spoilers beyond episode 8 of season 2.
First of, no disrespect to the homie rengoku. He was such a badass and kind character who really cared about others.
However I have seen people from the fandom say that rengoku won the conflict ... | >What exactly did he accomplish by saving everyone?
He saved the lives of 200+ people and allowed them to keep living. Why are you understating this when that is like the secondary goal of the demon slayers, they slay demons and protect people from demons.
But akaza did lose. Even muzan considered his adventure a fai... | The goal of Akaza was to kill all the corps members, the goal of Rengoku was to prevent any civilians and his subordinates from dying.
Rengoku achieved his goal and Akaza at best partially achieved his goal and was forced to retreat. He was even chewed out for this, he failed.
Even looking at the fight itself Akaza ... | s8vo6r | CMV: (demon slayer) Tanjiro was wrong. Rengoku did not win... | Please do not say any spoilers beyond episode 8 of season 2.
First of, no disrespect to the homie rengoku. He was such a badass and kind character who really cared about others.
However I have seen people from the fandom say that rengoku won the conflict between akaza along with Tanjiro.
However I disagree. Rengoku ... | banished_from_all | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: create your own thing is not in good faith.
whenever someone gets kicked off a platform and they complain, someone always says, "make your own website." i guess that's fair enough.
the person creates their own website and what happens, people complain to whoever is hosting their website, so they get kicked off, ... | Parler exists. Gab exists. People that complain about other websites having restrictive terms of service are the ones acting in bad faith: they can always just head to those shitholes if they want to experience the joys of unrestricted speech.
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that's not the argument. you veered off topic.
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It is. People kic... | Giving away things for free is the exception, not the rule you shouldn't feel entitled to any online platform you don't own. You don't get mad when the editorial board of the NYTimes doesn't publish your op-ed or when the theater won't screen your home video or when the local bar won't let your band play. You are no mo... | yeoy8l | CMV: create your own thing is not in good faith. | whenever someone gets kicked off a platform and they complain, someone always says, "make your own website." i guess that's fair enough.
the person creates their own website and what happens, people complain to whoever is hosting their website, so they get kicked off, so they start hosting their own website. people co... | Skeletore-full-power | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: "Trans women shouldn't participate in women's sports" isn't a bigoted statement
Let me preface this by saying i'm one thousand percent for equal rights and i'm not those guys who go on about "MeN aRe BeTtEr ThAn WoMeN" but this is one thing where i think it's unfair to cis women to make them compete with trans wo... | Pt. 1
While this is a discussion that I do have a bias in as a trans woman in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, I'm open to changing my mind if you're aware of any peer-reviewed studies that examine the athletic performance of trans women relative to cis women. Feel free to share any.
A quick note on the policies that required ... | Should trans men be allowed in women's sports?
Because there is a [rather famous case](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-texas-girls-title) of a trans boy going 36-0 against the cis girls he is forced to fight because Texas forces people to go off of their birth certi... | ngs6kx | CMV: "Trans women shouldn't participate in women's sports" isn't a bigoted statement | Let me preface this by saying i'm one thousand percent for equal rights and i'm not those guys who go on about "MeN aRe BeTtEr ThAn WoMeN" but this is one thing where i think it's unfair to cis women to make them compete with trans women. It's been shown time and time again that at least in most sports, men perform bet... | Bestblackdude | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: Pelosi held the Articles of Impeachment to help Joe Biden win the nomination
So I am not going to lie and say this is the *only* political reason Pelosi held on to the articles, but I get the feeling that her motivations service multiple purposes, not the least of which was to help Joe Biden in the early primarie... | But if she times it so they're tied up at a crucial moment, they can conspire with Republicans to call witnesses about sketchy stuff Biden did at that same crucial moment...
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Not an American, so apologies if this if a naive question, but I thought the current angle was that the Republicans aren't going to call any... | You're forgetting the other side of the coin: An impeachment trial long enough to actually bind candidates from campaigning is a great opportunity to raise your profile and bring yourself on TV. The groundwork of their campaign can continue either way - you're missing a few rallies and you can show yourself off on the ... | eo41yk | CMV: Pelosi held the Articles of Impeachment to help Joe Biden win the nomination | So I am not going to lie and say this is the *only* political reason Pelosi held on to the articles, but I get the feeling that her motivations service multiple purposes, not the least of which was to help Joe Biden in the early primaries.
When the senate trial starts, Sanders, Warren, and Klobuchar will all need to b... | carter1984 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I don't understand why prostitution isn't legal.
Sex is Legal. Selling Products and Services is legal. Selling sex as a service isn't legal. However, it is legal to pay someone for sex, if it's in front from a camera (porn).Massaging someone is legal. So it's legal to touch someone consensually, enjoyment for ... | Yes, prostitution, the world's oldest profession, is illegal probably because mostly women do it and because of religious/morality reasons.
However, efforts to legalize prostitution in Germany and other countries have had mixed results, so I think it makes other countries wary of the consequences of legalizing this ty... | Not everyone who engages in prostitution is of sound mind or in an economic position to refuse.
There are many cases where prostitutes are hooked on drugs, victims of sexual abuse, sex trade, or trying to make a living.
It’s hard to say what would happen if it were legalized. Like drugs, there isn’t infrastructure ... | 9o7ap6 | CMV: I don't understand why prostitution isn't legal. | Sex is Legal. Selling Products and Services is legal. Selling sex as a service isn't legal. However, it is legal to pay someone for sex, if it's in front from a camera (porn).Massaging someone is legal. So it's legal to touch someone consensually, enjoyment for profit.
Stripping, porn, cam modeling, phone sex servi... | derwood773 | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: In most cases when eating out, tipping as a percentage doesn't make sense
Mostly referring to when you're eating as a pair vs large groups (will touch on that later).
Now before anyone calls me out, I'm a pretty generous tipper I tip 20% pretty consistently and sometimes more because I tend to round up to the ne... | inflation impacts everyone. if food costs go up for the resturaunt then they do also for the server. You're keeping their total pay consistent with inflation adjusted costs.
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Why is that my responsibility, I am a consumer of the business going out to eat, the amount of work didn’t change, costs go up for everyon... | With regards to inflation, your server also has to pay more for stuff. That [i.e., inflation] shouldn’t be a consideration in deciding how much to tip.
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I meant to use inflation as an example of rising prices, but even stuff pre inflation,
Why should I tip more for potentially less work done?
I’m tipping for t... | yeqm4u | CMV: In most cases when eating out, tipping as a percentage doesn't make sense | Mostly referring to when you're eating as a pair vs large groups (will touch on that later).
Now before anyone calls me out, I'm a pretty generous tipper I tip 20% pretty consistently and sometimes more because I tend to round up to the nearest 5$. And this isn't a matter of whether I can afford to eat out or not, nor... | ynot269 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The right to life always outweighs bodily autonomy
I had this discussion with my friend yesterday about what is more important: Bodily autonomy or the right to life. He brought up a good point which I will mention at the end of the post. Also, I will not disclose my position on abortion here (you might be surpris... | > Bodily autonomy is by no means sacred
Bodily autonomy refers to what other people do *to your body*. It does not mean letting you do what you like with your body. For example, you have the bodily autonomy to not be assaulted with someone else's fist when you are at work as a cashier. They do not have the right to ha... | Not being able to go naked in public isn’t a violation of your bodily autonomy.
But since you don’t believe in bodily autonomy and you think right to life trunks bodily autonomy, if someone needs and blood or organ donation, and you aren the only viable donor, and if the person dies if they don’t receive a donation, y... | vons0i | CMV: The right to life always outweighs bodily autonomy | I had this discussion with my friend yesterday about what is more important: Bodily autonomy or the right to life. He brought up a good point which I will mention at the end of the post. Also, I will not disclose my position on abortion here (you might be surprised if I do).
A couple of things to keep in mind (not pa... | Hellomyyfriend | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: I should not get Ellie's Tattoo from The Last of Us Part II
Probably gonna be some spoilers ahead so be warned.
so I finished the Last of Us Part II last week and I cannot overemphasize how much I loved it. Sure, minor parts of the game were frustrating at times but the story has had a major impact on me and a... | If you have to make this post and take the time to write all this out it’s clear you’re not ready for a tattoo.
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Is that not the point of this sub? It doesn't always have to be political debate all the time. But to speak more to your point, I'm definitely old enough and mature enough to get a tattoo and I think ... | How old are you? If you are past your mid twenties, I think you know what you want, so you should go for it. If you're young, I would advise you to do what you said and wait a while before you're certain this is what you want.
Now to address your individual points:
1. No one will know this tattoo is associated with ... | i2e53s | CMV: I should not get Ellie's Tattoo from The Last of Us Part II | Probably gonna be some spoilers ahead so be warned.
so I finished the Last of Us Part II last week and I cannot overemphasize how much I loved it. Sure, minor parts of the game were frustrating at times but the story has had a major impact on me and a week later its still something I think about constantly. Its the... | Dubstep_squid | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Learning to read English is comparable to learning to read Mandarin Chinese
I'm an English teacher in Spain. I have so much sympathy for my students, because I'm constantly telling them, "you just have to memorize how it's spelled. There isn't one rule for all sounds, like in Spanish." English is a conglomeration... | You kind of argue against yourself when you say "There isn't one rule for all sounds, like in Spanish." English is a conglomeration of so many different spelling methods" - You acknowledge that English has some word which are spelled as they sound, and others which follow more counter-intuitive rules. But Mandarin has ... | There's three facts to take into account:
* Some language are less complex than others. English is far from being the most complex one (and it's one of the reason why it spread so much)
* Some language are related and cognate. Learning to speak English for spanish people is way easier than chinese where there is almos... | eo2a4p | CMV: Learning to read English is comparable to learning to read Mandarin Chinese | I'm an English teacher in Spain. I have so much sympathy for my students, because I'm constantly telling them, "you just have to memorize how it's spelled. There isn't one rule for all sounds, like in Spanish." English is a conglomeration of so many different spelling methods, not to mention that weird era that academi... | kaelne | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Wives who never give their husbands sex are cruel.
**TL;DR: Sex is an important part of a relationship, it's just as much of an expectation as being a breadwinner or being romantic/affectionate, and denying this to a partner is cruel.**
I am by no means saying that women should be *required* to give their husban... | Is it possible in a long term relationship that intimacy, cuddling, massages, silly play in the master bath when mutually getting ready for work, may be almost as important as actual sex?
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Yes. I am a very emotional person/empath. Even though I'm a guy, I'd rather have a sexless relationship with those thing... | If the husband thinks sex is so important, why doesn't he divorce her if she's not interested in sex?
Isn't it partially his responsibility that he's not getting sex - because he's voluntarily staying married to her.
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CMV: Wives who never give their husbands sex are cruel.
**TL;DR: Sex is an important part of a relationship, it's just as much of an expectation as being a breadwinner or being romantic/affectionate, and denying this to a partner is cruel.**
I am by no means saying that women should be *required* to give their husban... | Sex is expected from both partners, and should be mutually beneficial for both. If the sex is unsatisfying or uncomfortable for the woman, why should she continue to force herself to endure it?
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Then the couple should communicate their issues. Communication is key in any relationship.
For example, if part... | Are you saying that it is cruel under *all circumstances*? Or are you talking specifically about circumstances where the woman simply isn't interested in sex and doesn't see the need for it?
Because if the husband has become fat, or has bad hygiene, or is abusive, etc., then he should *expect* that his wife (and any ... | 8n065i | CMV: Wives who never give their husbands sex are cruel. | **TL;DR: Sex is an important part of a relationship, it's just as much of an expectation as being a breadwinner or being romantic/affectionate, and denying this to a partner is cruel.**
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CMV: Stock subreddits have become cults
To exain what I mean, these subs, r/GME, r/dogecoin, r/amcstock and others have become the same as cults, where you are at will to give more money, but you are constantly pressured to buy more and more and are often ostracized if you make any plans to pull out.
I just saw a po... | is 'cult' maybe a bit too much?
They are circlejerks certainly, but most of reddit is a circlejerk. Most political subs are CJ, even this sub is a bit of a CJ unless you tow the line of acceptable ideas you'll just get snarkily called racist and whatnot in the guise of arguments. Look at most any of the trans or gay... | At least for r/GME or r/superstonk, I highly doubt that you can find any single post that tells you to buy more GME. As for pulling out of GME, you will typically be banned in those subreddits if you post/comment about selling GME, mainly because public sentiment influences the price of a stock. Posting anything outrig... | ngtnnf | CMV: Stock subreddits have become cults | To exain what I mean, these subs, r/GME, r/dogecoin, r/amcstock and others have become the same as cults, where you are at will to give more money, but you are constantly pressured to buy more and more and are often ostracized if you make any plans to pull out.
I just saw a post where someone sold their car to keep t... | DuoEx | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Stock subreddits have become cults
To exain what I mean, these subs, r/GME, r/dogecoin, r/amcstock and others have become the same as cults, where you are at will to give more money, but you are constantly pressured to buy more and more and are often ostracized if you make any plans to pull out.
I just saw a po... | I'd just like to post my two cents, as it seems that you at least partially focused on superstonk and GME. While both subs have a big portion of circlejerk tendency, there is also a large amount of good information. Call me an idiot, but before you do, I'd like to point to the superstonk YouTube channel.
This channel,... | is 'cult' maybe a bit too much?
They are circlejerks certainly, but most of reddit is a circlejerk. Most political subs are CJ, even this sub is a bit of a CJ unless you tow the line of acceptable ideas you'll just get snarkily called racist and whatnot in the guise of arguments. Look at most any of the trans or gay... | ngtnnf | CMV: Stock subreddits have become cults | To exain what I mean, these subs, r/GME, r/dogecoin, r/amcstock and others have become the same as cults, where you are at will to give more money, but you are constantly pressured to buy more and more and are often ostracized if you make any plans to pull out.
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CMV: If pedophilia is a mental illness then so is being LGBT.
Btw I'm Bi....well at least in a bedroom setting but not dating....although I might date someone mtf trans.
Anyhow, so pedophiles can't control being attracted to kids. I mean hell who would want that kind of trouble in their life?!? ......buuut being LG... | > LGBT doesn't hurt anyone and makes people happy
That right there is the difference. Here's the American Psychiatric Association's definition of mental illness:
> Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in thinking, emotion or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated wit... | >But that still doesn't change the initial both are mental illness thing.
But it does, because mental illness is defined in part by the inability to lead a normal life because of the condition in question. There is theoretically nothing preventing a gay person from having a fulfilling life or loving relationships bes... | 689y2e | CMV: If pedophilia is a mental illness then so is being LGBT. | Btw I'm Bi....well at least in a bedroom setting but not dating....although I might date someone mtf trans.
Anyhow, so pedophiles can't control being attracted to kids. I mean hell who would want that kind of trouble in their life?!? ......buuut being LGBT is *okay* because we can't control who we are attracted to..... | imVERYhighrightnow | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: European majority countries are objectively superior to non-European majority countries
NOW FIRST: What I am NOT saying...because I know alot of "Anti-fascists" are here waiting to pounce. I AM NOT SAYING European PEOPLE are superior. I am NOT SAYING their genes are better and I AM NOT SAYING their culture is ... | >...objectively superior...
Your very word "superior" is subjective. But then again you refuse to post reasons why "whites are better" says all we need to know.
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It is not subjective, I gave statistical evidence that you completely ignored while you downvoted me and than mocked me...
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You arbitrarily picked ... | So you are just bragging about the progressive ideals of Western Europe? Are you a progressive yourself?
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You don't have to be progressive to acknowledge where women and gays have it better.
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BTW, how is this an attempt to CMV?
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This is a direct violation of rule 8, I will ... | dz3mov | CMV: European majority countries are objectively superior to non-European majority countries | NOW FIRST: What I am NOT saying...because I know alot of "Anti-fascists" are here waiting to pounce. I AM NOT SAYING European PEOPLE are superior. I am NOT SAYING their genes are better and I AM NOT SAYING their culture is better. I am also NOT SAYING every European country is better than every non-European country... | 2ndandtwenty | 13 | 13 | [
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CMV: European majority countries are objectively superior to non-European majority countries
NOW FIRST: What I am NOT saying...because I know alot of "Anti-fascists" are here waiting to pounce. I AM NOT SAYING European PEOPLE are superior. I am NOT SAYING their genes are better and I AM NOT SAYING their culture is ... | >...objectively superior...
Your very word "superior" is subjective. But then again you refuse to post reasons why "whites are better" says all we need to know.
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It is not subjective, I gave statistical evidence that you completely ignored while you downvoted me and than mocked me...
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The subjectivity is in ... | So you are just bragging about the progressive ideals of Western Europe? Are you a progressive yourself?
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You don't have to be progressive to acknowledge where women and gays have it better.
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BTW, how is this an attempt to CMV?
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CMV: ALL drugs should be legalized. (x-post from r/unpopularopinion)
I'm opened to changing my mind about drugs that can make people hurt other people (i.e. Amphetamines, PCP). But apart of these, ALL drugs (including heroin, cocaine, LSD, etc.) should be 100% legal to buy and use, and with strong regulation on produc... | Some people don't do drugs strictly because they are illegal. If heroin became legal, more people would become addicted to heroin. Can you explain how more people becoming addicted to heroin is a positive?
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Actually, the amount of people addicted to it would most likely go down due to widespread normalization from... | Many drugs have nefarious uses outside of recreational use. [Here is an example](https://www.history.com/news/opioid-chemical-weapons-moscow-theater-hostage-crisis). I don't think we should legalize drugs that can be used as chemical weapons, and same with disabling drugs like anastestics and benzos because of their cr... | 9oetyp | CMV: ALL drugs should be legalized. (x-post from r/unpopularopinion) | I'm opened to changing my mind about drugs that can make people hurt other people (i.e. Amphetamines, PCP). But apart of these, ALL drugs (including heroin, cocaine, LSD, etc.) should be 100% legal to buy and use, and with strong regulation on production and sell (i.e. the government can choose to not give out licences... | conjo434 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The US Congress members are paid too much.
A newly elected member of the House has a starting salary of $174,000 a year. They are then allowed to participate in insider trading--which is illegal for the rest of the country, and why Martha Stewart went to prison--with the caveat that they must disclose their inves... | Completely disagree, they should be payed much more. We want talented people to be attracted to government, not rich people looking to benefit from the influence that being a an elected official affords. Obviously the insider trading is a problem, but so is the government to lobbyist pipeline, and both of these types o... | This sounds like your actual complaint is about insider trading and lobbying so why arent you focusing on that?
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My complaint is that Congress is paid a lot and still allowed to cheat the system. They get one or the other, not both. I would actually prefer a smaller pay check because that is out tax dollars. The i... | vnu0n1 | CMV: The US Congress members are paid too much. | A newly elected member of the House has a starting salary of $174,000 a year. They are then allowed to participate in insider trading--which is illegal for the rest of the country, and why Martha Stewart went to prison--with the caveat that they must disclose their investments within a certain time period. If they do n... | Warren_Peace006 | 7 | 5 | [
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CMV: Asian Americans are unfairly discriminated against in elite college admissions
Asian American groups are suing Harvard for racial discrimination:
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/03/541430130/trump-admin-looking-into-whether-harvard-discriminates-against-asian-americans
Statistics show that Asians need to score 130 p... | > To change my view, please present legitimate reasons why colleges accept whites and blacks with lower test scores than Asians. Please also present evidence for those reasons. For example, is it that whites and blacks have a higher GPA than Asians? Or better extracurricular?
The legitimate reason is the way that affi... | Those elite colleges are businesses. They admit people based on what they think will be best for themselves, not based on numerocal 'fairness' as measured by only SAT scores and no other factor.
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>Those elite colleges are businesses
No, they're non-profit entities. They also get government subsidies and grants.
... | 77fcsh | CMV: Asian Americans are unfairly discriminated against in elite college admissions | Asian American groups are suing Harvard for racial discrimination:
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/03/541430130/trump-admin-looking-into-whether-harvard-discriminates-against-asian-americans
Statistics show that Asians need to score 130 points more than whites on the SATs, and 450 points more than blacks on the SATs (1600... | dickposner | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: If an AGI was created, it would be just as "alive" as any human or other biological being.
(**NOTE:** I'm not going to argue for or against the existence of a "soul" as it is impossible to definitively prove or disprove a metaphysical concept.)
An Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is a hypothetical AI of hum... | You put “alive” in quotes, so I’m not really sure what you mean, but there are agreed upon requirements for life (metabolism, reproduction, homeostasis, etc) and a computer, regardless of how smart it is, does not automatically meet those requirements. We can discuss whether or not it would be *conscious*, but we would... | Lets say I had a sufficiently big 3D printer that I could print out a physical map of a neural network (at this point it doesn't process anything, it just represents what's connected to what).
If I could then go through and build systems that directs the flow of water around this model in a way analogous to logic gate... | 1osn9xw | CMV: If an AGI was created, it would be just as "alive" as any human or other biological being. | (**NOTE:** I'm not going to argue for or against the existence of a "soul" as it is impossible to definitively prove or disprove a metaphysical concept.)
An Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is a hypothetical AI of human-level cognition, one able to learn and operate just like a human can (or beyond in some places... | DiscordantObserver | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: History can never truly be "objective". It is flawed storytelling and should be focused strictly on the facts of what happened.
History can be compromised of recorded facts, but ultimately, history is storytelling. It is the construction of a point of view and a narrative rather than an objective retelling of the... | [deleted]
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>History can be. Humans can't be.
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>So recorded history can't be when it's recorded by humans.
Is there any other history that exists that isn't recorded by humans?
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Like the fossil record? Ice core samples? etc. That's a "history" of sorts... | The facts of what happened give you the shallowness understanding of history with no real way to connect anything. We can't talk about lead ups to war because thats a narrative. We can't talk about the Civil Rights Movement because thats a narrative. We can only say some guy gave a speech and some people in an unrelate... | ngnpo0 | CMV: History can never truly be "objective". It is flawed storytelling and should be focused strictly on the facts of what happened. | History can be compromised of recorded facts, but ultimately, history is storytelling. It is the construction of a point of view and a narrative rather than an objective retelling of the facts. Many parts of history are missing or other narratives are purposefully rewritten or glossed over to conform the majority narra... | Archisian | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: An overweight communist is a hypocrite.
Communism - a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Being overweight means you are taking in more calories tha... | Communism isn't a philosophy for living within a capitalist society, it is a model for an alternative economic system. It isn't a prescriptive moral handbook for individual behavior, so there is nothing about it to "follow" while living in a capitalist system.
edit to add (hopefully to clarify): Communists believe tha... | what if the job the comrade is assigned to is a desk job? he'll still get hungry like the pickaxe swingers but have no opportunity to burn off the cals
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so then he would just require less calories correct? My take on communism is you don't get an equal share, you get what you need.
People who work manual labor wo... | 8581y3 | CMV: An overweight communist is a hypocrite. | Communism - a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Being overweight means you are taking in more calories than your body needs, which violates one of the c... | Ferret_Lord | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It should be legally justifiable to assault someone if they're a definitive asshole.
Dickheads have an unfair advantage in society. You get jail times and fines for illegal actions, but there's not a damn thing you can do if someone's just a cunt. It's entirely legal, and there's nothing that can be done about it... | Could you give some examples of "being a definitive asshole"? It's not exactly clear what behaviour you think warrants an ass kicking. I'm worried that it is pretty subjective if someone has engaged in 'asshole' behaviour and this could lead to people getting hurt simply because they express unpopular opinions or dare ... | The issue is that beating someone to death which is a real possibility is considerably more barbaric than just shooting them dead. My point is that you never saw people formally dueling with clubs or bare fists, then in the case of america the civil war caused people to get sick of needless death and favor court lawsui... | 1fh5c0g | CMV: It should be legally justifiable to assault someone if they're a definitive asshole. | Dickheads have an unfair advantage in society. You get jail times and fines for illegal actions, but there's not a damn thing you can do if someone's just a cunt. It's entirely legal, and there's nothing that can be done about it without being sued for discrimination or the other. They are entirely untouchable. Normall... | Lapis_Lacooli | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Conservatism is, fundementally, a belief based on selfishness and close-mindedness, and in some cases should not be taken seriously in politics.
First and foremost i'm going to clarify that the belief system **AS A WHOLE** is not what i believe shouldn't be taken seriously in politics (since that would be borderi... | Have you ever argued with a conservative? It really doesn't seem like you've ever heard a conservative try and justify their beliefs and are just strawmaning(and in the case of LGBT "equality" ignoring their arguments).
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i've argued with several.
the majority of them, when it comes to debating LGBT issues anyway,... | For the healthcare argument, many (most?) conservatives would first argue that the quality of government run healthcare will be below the quality of the current system. Wanting to maintain high quality healthcare is not selfish.
Not that I agree with that approach but I don’t believe it’s fair to characterize a desi... | k7inzw | CMV: Conservatism is, fundementally, a belief based on selfishness and close-mindedness, and in some cases should not be taken seriously in politics. | First and foremost i'm going to clarify that the belief system **AS A WHOLE** is not what i believe shouldn't be taken seriously in politics (since that would be bordering on censorship). I am just referring to specific sets of beliefs that I will mention later on in this post.
So, conservatism is a belief system wher... | [deleted] | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The U.S. is doing fine and that's a good thing
It’s very popular to claim that the U.S. is declining. You can hear it from the right, who claim that the U.S. that BLM and trans-acceptance are signs of cultural decay, from liberals, who see the rise of Trumpism portending civil war and, of course, from the Chi... | May I offer a different perspective?
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLef7-OaVo_aKcyZbJs6YdTDqJ7NFwdT4m
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Unfortunately I have to be quiet right now so I can't turn the videos on.
Looks like the theme is hypocrisy in American politics. I don't see how that negates any of what I wrote about.
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Thanks. Ya!... | We have crumbing infrastructure and Cuba currently has a higher life expectancy. We have high infant mortality rates for how rich we are as a people. WE should be a lot better in these and multiple more areas.
Home ownership rates are going down to rates near what we saw in the great depression and millennials ar... | ngn37z | CMV: The U.S. is doing fine and that's a good thing |
It’s very popular to claim that the U.S. is declining. You can hear it from the right, who claim that the U.S. that BLM and trans-acceptance are signs of cultural decay, from liberals, who see the rise of Trumpism portending civil war and, of course, from the Chinese and Russians, strategic competitors.
I disagre... | bluepillarmy | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: It isn't homophobic to be critical of pride parades or LGBTQ-based "identity politics"
A few days ago, I was browsing an AskReddit submission asking gay people about being gay and what straight people didn't understand, and one comment that caused an emotional response in me was one calling out the people who cla... | You are absolutely right in that we should treat people as individuals. The problem is that there are absolutely people who don't do so.
Back when pride parades started, gay people were considered weird deviants at best, and sinners and criminals at worst. The entire point of pride parades was to push back against ev... | LGBT+ people aren't getting worked up over being different than straight people, they're getting worked up over being told they should be ashamed of not being straight. That's the point of "pride," it is in opposition to shame, so when you tell people to stop being proud of who they are, you're sending the message they... | 857fjr | CMV: It isn't homophobic to be critical of pride parades or LGBTQ-based "identity politics" | A few days ago, I was browsing an AskReddit submission asking gay people about being gay and what straight people didn't understand, and one comment that caused an emotional response in me was one calling out the people who claim that they are not against homosexuality but dislike pride parades and excessive celebratio... | TheAspiringHacker | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It isn't homophobic to be critical of pride parades or LGBTQ-based "identity politics"
A few days ago, I was browsing an AskReddit submission asking gay people about being gay and what straight people didn't understand, and one comment that caused an emotional response in me was one calling out the people who cla... | First, I don't think criticizing gay pride parades is necessarily homophobic. But I say that speaking far more broadly about "criticizing" than I think you are and certainly more broadly than is implied in the comment you are referring to.
From the referred comment:
>What bothers me is the ignorant "Why do they need P... | You are absolutely right in that we should treat people as individuals. The problem is that there are absolutely people who don't do so.
Back when pride parades started, gay people were considered weird deviants at best, and sinners and criminals at worst. The entire point of pride parades was to push back against ev... | 857fjr | CMV: It isn't homophobic to be critical of pride parades or LGBTQ-based "identity politics" | A few days ago, I was browsing an AskReddit submission asking gay people about being gay and what straight people didn't understand, and one comment that caused an emotional response in me was one calling out the people who claim that they are not against homosexuality but dislike pride parades and excessive celebratio... | TheAspiringHacker | 3 | 3 | [
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A few days ago, I was browsing an AskReddit submission asking gay people about being gay and what straight people didn't understand, and one comment that caused an emotional response in me was one calling out the people who cla... | > people shouldn't celebrate their immutable characteristics, such as race, gender, and sexual orientation
You're against Puerto Rican Day Parades, St Patrick's Day Parades?
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Back when pride parades started, gay people were considered weird deviants at best, and sinners and criminals at worst. The entire point of pride parades was to push back against ev... | 857fjr | CMV: It isn't homophobic to be critical of pride parades or LGBTQ-based "identity politics" | A few days ago, I was browsing an AskReddit submission asking gay people about being gay and what straight people didn't understand, and one comment that caused an emotional response in me was one calling out the people who claim that they are not against homosexuality but dislike pride parades and excessive celebratio... | TheAspiringHacker | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: We need to disempower the “trumpers” by placing them in a new political category
Trumpers are *not* Republican. Those terms are not synonymous.
I was having a discussion with a fried the other day and we were remarking on how it's seemingly impossible to continue to vote republican at this point without outing y... | Donald Trump won the Republican primary, won the presidency as a Republican, and around 80% of Republicans want him to run again in 2024. 60% still believe Trump that 2020 was a fradulent election.
His base are the Republican party base. Maybe 10 years ago they were not, but the numbers show it has changed.
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It’s... | If you're a conservative, the better option is to elect better people into the party. If you split the 'trumpers' out, you just have two weak conservative parties vs the same democratic party. The only people to benefit by this would be democrats.
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That's only true if democrats keep getting elected, but we're expe... | ydyrr1 | CMV: We need to disempower the “trumpers” by placing them in a new political category | Trumpers are *not* Republican. Those terms are not synonymous.
I was having a discussion with a fried the other day and we were remarking on how it's seemingly impossible to continue to vote republican at this point without outing yourself as a racist, homo/transphobic, anti-semite. I realize there are still members o... | yeeeeeeeehaaaawwww | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It is illogical to have power primarily consolidated at the state level in the US.
Conservatives in America seem to be pushing for the United States to move to a confederation-style system in which all 50 states function essentially as their own independent nation, yet with a single military defending all of them... | I'm someone who's socially very liberal, but also a supporter of states rights. I think there's many sensible, practical reasons to support the power of the states, including but not limited to:
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In the United States, powers are separated *vertically* (executive, legis... | > Conservatives in America seem to be pushing for the United States to move to a confederation-style system in which all 50 states function essentially as their own independent nation, yet with a single military defending all of them.
I think I'll try to change your view on background. Conservatives do not want a conf... | vod871 | CMV: It is illogical to have power primarily consolidated at the state level in the US. | Conservatives in America seem to be pushing for the United States to move to a confederation-style system in which all 50 states function essentially as their own independent nation, yet with a single military defending all of them. To me, this seems less than ideal for the reasons below:
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CMV: There's a government personality cult in the US, especially when it comes to Presidents
With all the talk about how the US is a free and democratic country, there seems to be a strong personality cult surrounding former presidents. For example, Obama has barely left office but there's already [a dozen](https://en... | All Presidents are historical figures so it makes sense they would get monuments and memorials (JFK in particular is kind of a big deal, and Obama is the first black president) however in the last elections we were more concerned with the candidates traits of personality rather than their policies but I wouldn't consid... | I'm not sure your argument supports your conclusion. It's *because* the US is a democratic country that politicians have their names on buildings. The federal, state, and local governments use this as a way of honoring the people who have worked on their behalf. It's optional. Nobody is being forced to name a building ... | 5zq33n | CMV: There's a government personality cult in the US, especially when it comes to Presidents | With all the talk about how the US is a free and democratic country, there seems to be a strong personality cult surrounding former presidents. For example, Obama has barely left office but there's already [a dozen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_things_named_after_Barack_Obama) buildings/locations named after h... | theczechgolem | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Native-born US residents should be given the citizenship test to qualify for voting privileges
This is an idea that occurred to me a few days ago, when I was thinking about my immigrant parents, and how they earned their US citizenship back when I was an infant. They had to learn about American government and his... | Because tests for voting will eventually be used to filter voters in favor of those who control the test. It has happened before.
To be honest, given that only ~50% of voters vote in our most important elections, you shouldn't be worried that too *many* people are voting. In fact, it's not a stretch to say that our lo... | The problem is that then the test is a gateway to voting, which makes it extremely attractive for the ruling party to change it to choose who can vote.
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This is an idea that occurred to me a few days ago, when I was thinking about my immigrant parents, and how they earned their US citizenship back when I was an infant. They had to learn about American government and his... | **How does completion of the test correspond with the challenges of voting?**
We are talking about native born people, so as an example let's suppose I am a native born american living in Flint Michigan. I've lived here all my life, in fact I was born here. Several seats on the municipal water agency's board are up fo... | The problem is that then the test is a gateway to voting, which makes it extremely attractive for the ruling party to change it to choose who can vote.
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This is an idea that occurred to me a few days ago, when I was thinking about my immigrant parents, and how they earned their US citizenship back when I was an infant. They had to learn about American government and his... | **How does completion of the test correspond with the challenges of voting?**
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CMV: People are too liberal with the term 'racist'
I am white, I believe in white privilege. However I find that if anyone is ignorant of white privilege, or believes in some aspects of it and not all, they're labeled racist by my white friends. If someone thinks affirmative action is wrong, they're racist. If someone... | > There's a difference to being ignorant about something and being racist.
Yes, there's a difference between them, but the two words are not mutually exclusive. You can be ignorant about something and also be racist. In fact, being racist is often caused by being ignorant about the thing. In your example, being ign... | > a lot of people are racist in ways they don't realize
So you think that they are racist, but you just think that its rude to tell them?
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I think the way I mean to describe is unconscious racism.
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Most racism is unconscious. It's still racism though. | 5zr6ov | CMV: People are too liberal with the term 'racist' | I am white, I believe in white privilege. However I find that if anyone is ignorant of white privilege, or believes in some aspects of it and not all, they're labeled racist by my white friends. If someone thinks affirmative action is wrong, they're racist. If someone has anything but the most progressive view on every... | Throwaway569943 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: intersectionality doesn't empower young people
Note: I haven't developed a solid opinion, but I am leaning toward this train of thought..
Intersectionality was recently described to me as a way of identifying people's differences (societal struggles) in an attempt to raise awareness to the injustice they've endu... | Intersectionality is meant to better describe reality: it's the idea that multiple identities intersect or overlap to create a sum different from the parts and how that composite identity relate to larger systems of oppressions. It does not *create* that situation, simply describes it. The point is that our effort to a... | If you understand that black people experience racism, and women experience sexism, then is the discrimination that black women face just a simple combination of these two discrimination or are there ways our society views black women that are uniquely unfair?
This is not an exercise in checking boxes and seeing who i... | 6vyeti | CMV: intersectionality doesn't empower young people | Note: I haven't developed a solid opinion, but I am leaning toward this train of thought..
Intersectionality was recently described to me as a way of identifying people's differences (societal struggles) in an attempt to raise awareness to the injustice they've endured throughout their life. I'm told that when someone... | tacklingfuel | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: There is something inherently unattractive about people who engage in (or who are even open to) casual sex
I have no moral or religious opposition to casual sex. I think everyone should be allowed to have as much consensual sex as they want, even casual sex.
But I can't help but feel almost repulsed by people wh... | Surely they can't be _inherently_ unattractive, right? Engaging in casual sex isn't even an inherent property of a person: it's an action that they undertook. To put it another way, if they were attractive, then they had casual sex, and then they became unattractive, then the fact that they _became_ unattractive indica... | This is entirely subjective. If there were a correlation, porn stars would be the least attractive people, which is not the case.
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On the contrary, I've never seen a porn star I found attractive.
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If you've watched porn, then I would disagree. Most people consider porn stars (or at least the ones that they li... | 8561ur | CMV: There is something inherently unattractive about people who engage in (or who are even open to) casual sex | I have no moral or religious opposition to casual sex. I think everyone should be allowed to have as much consensual sex as they want, even casual sex.
But I can't help but feel almost repulsed by people who have casual sex. It's slightly hypocritical because I had it once myself. But the experience was very negative,... | Happiness_is_Haram | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: There is no legitimate or illegitimate mechanism by which Jan 6th 2021 (or the events leading up to or following it) could have ever possibly resulted in Donald Trump remaining president
I see people on here claiming all the time that it was an insurrection and a coup and the Government almost fell that day. How ... | >If Mike Pence collects all the fake elector votes, can he just completely contravene established election procedures and summon Rudy Giuliani to misinterpret the constitution and give Trump into the presidency?
Mike Pence would have dueling sets of electors. He declared "Since there are two sets of electors from Ariz... | Coups can and do happen.
What precisely is so difficult to believe about the possibility of one happening in America?
I do think that the events you describe would lead to a civil war, but that doesn't mean Trump may not win, and remain in power.
What do you think it would take to change this view? To see it as... | 1dz4x64 | CMV: There is no legitimate or illegitimate mechanism by which Jan 6th 2021 (or the events leading up to or following it) could have ever possibly resulted in Donald Trump remaining president | I see people on here claiming all the time that it was an insurrection and a coup and the Government almost fell that day. How is it possible that the Government could have fallen?
Did Nancy Pelosi have the authority to issue an unconditional surrender of the Federal Government to an aggressor?
If Mike Pence collects... | VirtuitaryGland | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It's unethical and disrespectful to let someone "be wrong".
i.e. to not try my best to change their view.
I understand there are areas where the answer is supposed to be subjective, such as someone's favorite color. I also recognize that I am not immune to being wrong.
My main view is that if I disagree with so... | How do you reconcile the case where there is no 'Truth' to be had?
In this world there are a ton of questions we simply do not have answers for. We have theories, ideas or beliefs of what they are but zero way to definitively state one is correct.
Going further, a lot of the discourse going on today does not have a '... | Do you think that if another person's "wrong" stance on a topic is harmful to no one else, but helpful to that individual's sanity/attitude/world view it is unethical to allow them to be wrong?
I probably shouldn't go to religion as an example, but here were are...let's take a religion not bent on converting others, e... | 7r19y5 | CMV: It's unethical and disrespectful to let someone "be wrong". | i.e. to not try my best to change their view.
I understand there are areas where the answer is supposed to be subjective, such as someone's favorite color. I also recognize that I am not immune to being wrong.
My main view is that if I disagree with someone, regardless of who is right, we owe it to each other to find... | leonardosegurat | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Gender is not just a social construct
EDIT: i'm sorry if i didn't reply or missed out on awarding a delta. It is my first post here and I need to get back to doing some work.
My view has been changed by pointing out inconsistencies in my definitions, questioning my motivation and reason for making such distinc... | You are using both sex and biological gender. What do you see as the difference between the two?
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So the way I understand sex - its the biological composition of a person's body, be it the chromosomes, morphology or the hormon levels. And what I describe as the biological gender would be the manifestations of the... | Can you clarify how the "biological gender" concept you've come up with differs from the person's sex?
---
I will try! I'm sorry if it isn't that clear, but I think its indicative of where I may have holes in my thinking!
Essentially, I see biological gender as the factors of the identity that are determined by the ... | qyk6zs | CMV: Gender is not just a social construct | EDIT: i'm sorry if i didn't reply or missed out on awarding a delta. It is my first post here and I need to get back to doing some work.
My view has been changed by pointing out inconsistencies in my definitions, questioning my motivation and reason for making such distinctions, and most importantly showing how its ... | PM_ME_UR_NIPPLE_HAIR | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People who define themselves by just one thing (Gender, Creed, Sports Team, Hobby, etc) are terrible and toxic people and hinder progress anywhere they show up.
I had this discussion with a friend of mine recently and wanted another opinion because we both agree about this. No matter what the single thing you ide... | Are they really defining themselves by one trait, or are they just proud of it to the point where it seems strange to you? Very few people actually do what you say and it sounds like a bit of a strawman. A gay guy with a feminine voice who loves fashion, makes jokes about himself, talks about his love life, and goes to... | So how does a person who defines themself by being gay just as bad as a neo-nazi?
Do they actively go out and beat up straight people?
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I think my belief is very case-by-case in a sense. You're example is a good point that is multi-layered; I'm gonna skip the discussion about if "neo-nazi's are inherently evil" a... | 7r2qax | CMV: People who define themselves by just one thing (Gender, Creed, Sports Team, Hobby, etc) are terrible and toxic people and hinder progress anywhere they show up. | I had this discussion with a friend of mine recently and wanted another opinion because we both agree about this. No matter what the single thing you identify yourself as, if your self-identity can only be defined by a limited amount of ideas, you are generally a toxic individual.
Let me explain "toxic individual". F... | skateboards-hurt | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Saying 'it's my right' for how things should be, without explaining why it's a 'right' is a dumb way to argue
I am not talking about legality, but when people use 'right' as something that is 'owed' to them socially. That's fine and all, but I think what discourse is lacking is the why.
Suppose a man is married ... | You say it's a stupid response to criticism, but is it not stupid in the first place to criticize someone for practicing religion in a county where that's a freedom? What else are you supposed to say when the criticism is unwarranted and unjust in the first place?
If Im praying in the park and someone comes up to say... | > That's fine and all, but I think what discourse is lacking is the why.
I mean the point of rights is that you don't have to justify them in order to use them.
>The wife says 'it's my right to know'. That's a statement that she wants to know, sure, but it doesn't explain why.
Well the problem there is that she isn... | qyg2dd | CMV: Saying 'it's my right' for how things should be, without explaining why it's a 'right' is a dumb way to argue | I am not talking about legality, but when people use 'right' as something that is 'owed' to them socially. That's fine and all, but I think what discourse is lacking is the why.
Suppose a man is married to a woman. Man says he's going out but doesn't tell the wife where. The wife says 'it's my right to know'. That's a... | WaterDemonPhoenix | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Values have no place in politics
Let me preface this be saying I’m aware this is a rather extreme view, so it’s very suspect to me, but I fail to see how it could be wrong, I need some help ! Not a native speaker here for a complicated subject, my apologies.
All political ideologies wish to change the world in s... | What should we use to influence our political views?
You have this line
> There are facts about the well being of conscious creatures, and science can be used to know those facts and check if a political ideology is actually conducive to well being.
But at best science and economists can tell is the probable effects... | I'm very confused. So you're saying values have no place in politics, except for the value of human well-being. So, is your view simply that "politics should be based on human well-being"?
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That's another way to say it. More precisely, what I'm arguing is that actually it already is, and it would be better if we s... | 9d8sli | CMV: Values have no place in politics | Let me preface this be saying I’m aware this is a rather extreme view, so it’s very suspect to me, but I fail to see how it could be wrong, I need some help ! Not a native speaker here for a complicated subject, my apologies.
All political ideologies wish to change the world in some way, and my argument is that every ... | rewpparo | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Just because a person is privileged by society doesn't mean it's okay to hurt their feelings
Edit: Before this thread becomes a total trainwreck, please read my update at the bottom. Reading over my OP makes me feel pretty silly, but I feel like that's what CMV is for to an extent and I feel it's served its purpo... | I think I understand what you're trying to get at, but correct me if I'm wrong:
You understand that other people in our society have legitimate cause to be upset about the way they've been historically treated by people who look like you, i.e. white men, and that they have the right to express this dissatisfaction pub... | Counterpoint: Just because a person is privileged by society doesn't mean their feelings should be specifically protected.
Do you agree with that?
---
Absolutely. And I'm not asking for my feelings to be protected. I just ask for basic human decency from people. If they choose not to do that, that's their choice.
-... | 7r1b1l | CMV: Just because a person is privileged by society doesn't mean it's okay to hurt their feelings | Edit: Before this thread becomes a total trainwreck, please read my update at the bottom. Reading over my OP makes me feel pretty silly, but I feel like that's what CMV is for to an extent and I feel it's served its purpose here.
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A lot of people say mean things to others nowadays and think it's ok just because tha... | Flyingskwerl | 11 | 11 | [
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CMV: Confederate flag-fliers that claim "Heritage not Hate" are no worse than people that fly the American flag.
Currently I believe that people that fly the Confederate flag on their private homes, or on bumper stickers on their cars are not automatic bigots. Many of them are, but many of them also claim in their fla... | > But if a Native American person were to object to an American flag, saying this is the flag that presided over the genocide of my ancestors, would they not have as valid an argument as that currently against the Confederate flag?
No, they aren't equivalent. The US flag represents a nation known for many things, a s... | >I don't exactly know what particular values current-day flag fliers might be showing off--Southern hospitality? saying sir and ma'am?--but they are comfortable compartmentalizing that away from the political and war aims of the Confederate politicians of the time.
Are they? The "rebel heritage" that they're celebrat... | 7qxtpc | CMV: Confederate flag-fliers that claim "Heritage not Hate" are no worse than people that fly the American flag. | Currently I believe that people that fly the Confederate flag on their private homes, or on bumper stickers on their cars are not automatic bigots. Many of them are, but many of them also claim in their flag-flying simply to subscribe to the values of what they believe the South to be.
Yes, the South fought a war on t... | mfDandP | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: In terms of morality and modern social acceptability, Abraham Lincoln and Robert E. Lee should enjoy relatively equal standing
My view is relatively simple, in terms of the content of their views in regards to slavery these two men only somewhat differed. The evidence we have available shows that Lincoln up the l... | Look, I don't care what was in their heads. I honestly don't care what they thought about slavery and whether they were personally racist. That doesn't matter to me - for one, that's on them, and for another they are both deader than disco. But one fought to maintain slavery and the other fought to maintain the country... | Lee, despite any personal issues with slavery, rose up in open rebellion against his country, a rebellion whose whole purpose was to preserve slavery.
Lincoln, despite a personal ambivalence to the illegalization of slavery, did in the end outlaw slavery. In addition, he served his country admirably in a time of grea... | 7qz8z6 | CMV: In terms of morality and modern social acceptability, Abraham Lincoln and Robert E. Lee should enjoy relatively equal standing | My view is relatively simple, in terms of the content of their views in regards to slavery these two men only somewhat differed. The evidence we have available shows that Lincoln up the last couple years of his life expressed that slavery was immoral, should not be expanded and where it exists should be ended via a slo... | 13adonis | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Both sides are to blame for the politicisation of the Supreme Court
With Kavanaugh's hearing, there has been a lot of talk about how the Supreme Court should not be used as a way of furthering a partisan agenda. The Supreme Court is part of the judiciary, not the legislature - its purpose is to interpret and enfo... | It's rather the system that is to blame for making this possible in the first place. Murphy's law very much applies to political systems, whatever can go wrong will go wrong. Trusting politics to not do politics doesn't work. Appointment of supreme court judges, or any judges for that matter, is a sensitive issue, whic... | To confirm, you don't think the right to privacy is among the rights Americans have, even if not explicitly delineated? Because Roe v. Wade follows pretty naturally from Griswold v. Connecticut.
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No, there is no "right to privacy" in the constitution, and I think the reasoning in Griswold v. Connecticut was faulty... | 9d4psf | CMV: Both sides are to blame for the politicisation of the Supreme Court | With Kavanaugh's hearing, there has been a lot of talk about how the Supreme Court should not be used as a way of furthering a partisan agenda. The Supreme Court is part of the judiciary, not the legislature - its purpose is to interpret and enforce the law, not to change the law.
It is fairly clear that Supreme Cou... | theguyfromchicago6 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Both sides are to blame for the politicisation of the Supreme Court
With Kavanaugh's hearing, there has been a lot of talk about how the Supreme Court should not be used as a way of furthering a partisan agenda. The Supreme Court is part of the judiciary, not the legislature - its purpose is to interpret and enfo... | It's rather the system that is to blame for making this possible in the first place. Murphy's law very much applies to political systems, whatever can go wrong will go wrong. Trusting politics to not do politics doesn't work. Appointment of supreme court judges, or any judges for that matter, is a sensitive issue, whic... | To confirm, you don't think the right to privacy is among the rights Americans have, even if not explicitly delineated? Because Roe v. Wade follows pretty naturally from Griswold v. Connecticut.
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CMV: People should not be fired for having an onlyfans or having their nudes out there
Generally what happens is a woman (lets face it, it's always a woman) will supplement her income with an OF page, or maybe an ex leaks revenge porn. And what happens - the woman gets fired from her real job. I can't understand why a... | Selling your body is morally wrong, too.
---
Isn't going to work selling your body?
You're trading your presence, your time, your effort, your labor, your BODY, for money.
But oh, because your body is being used to sell outrageously expensive cell phone plans it's somehow superior to selling sex? No.
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It show... | It's bad for the company's image to have naked photos of their employee online. Don't you agree?
Is this job specific for you, or are you saying any woman should be able to do this?
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> It's bad for the company's image to have naked photos of their employee online. Don't you agree?
>
>
No. I don't. Get the fuck... | 18t0kxm | CMV: People should not be fired for having an onlyfans or having their nudes out there | Generally what happens is a woman (lets face it, it's always a woman) will supplement her income with an OF page, or maybe an ex leaks revenge porn. And what happens - the woman gets fired from her real job. I can't understand why anyone is okay with this. If you're doing you're job properly, you show up on time, and d... | nataliephoto | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: We should not be celebrating or encouraging the healthcare CEO murder
First and foremost, I want to say that I don't feel bad for the CEO. That is not my view. My view is that the reaction to his murder is bad.
Here are the reactions I'm talking about:
Celebrating his murder.
Encouraging people to not help pol... | Although there is some "celebration" I think most people consider it "bad, but unsurprising". In the absence of a governmental or legal system to prevent CEOs from actively killing people for profit, there remains only extralegal justice as a recourse.
Government needs to act. If they don't, vigilantes will.
---
>I ... | We should encourage more people to do this to the rich.
Maybe they will get the hint
---
And what happens when the target moves from the rich to a minority group? Or what happens in the case of mistaken identity?
---
Seems as if there are important distinguishing factors making those things bad, right? | 1h8vo3e | CMV: We should not be celebrating or encouraging the healthcare CEO murder | First and foremost, I want to say that I don't feel bad for the CEO. That is not my view. My view is that the reaction to his murder is bad.
Here are the reactions I'm talking about:
Celebrating his murder.
Encouraging people to not help police catch the murderer.
Encouraging stealth jurors to get on the jury and n... | spoilerdudegetrekt | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: the message that we "need to take care of ourselves because we can't help other people if we don't replenish our own resources is bad and unhelpful.
To the people who need to hear it, only reinforces the notion that we are not inherently deserving of care, but should get the minimum amount we need to to get right... | So is your claim that it is actually good for people to unsustainably deplete themselves on behalf of others, or just that it is good to tell people to unsustainably deplete themselves on behalf of others?
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People who unsustainably deplete themselves on behalf of others will not listen to the advice "be sustainabl... | >CMV: the message that we "need to take care of ourselves because we can't help other people if we don't replenish our own resources is bad and unhelpful.
It could be seen as a self-centred, yet wonderful rationalization and argument to ignore 'other people', for those who wish to do nothing helpful. It helps them to ... | 1dz0kzq | CMV: the message that we "need to take care of ourselves because we can't help other people if we don't replenish our own resources is bad and unhelpful. | To the people who need to hear it, only reinforces the notion that we are not inherently deserving of care, but should get the minimum amount we need to to get right back to caring for other people. That we're just a tool for making other people happy - that we don't need or deserve happiness for ourselves.
It also mi... | LeagueEfficient5945 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Neo-Nazis are inherently evil
Okay, let me explain. Honestly, with everything that’s been going on in the world, and from my own personal experience, what I see is that Neo-Nazis don’t do any good. Which isn’t surprising to me, considering that they discriminate against other people and some deny that an entire m... | "Inherently evil" is a way to flatten the complexity of a person. It suggests that there is something wrong with their person in a way that is immutable. I'll agree with you that Neo-Naziism the ideology is inherently evil, and people who subscribe to it's tenants are evil, *but* to suggest that the person subscribing ... | [Some neo-nazis adopted a highway in Colorado](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/22/neo-nazis-create-furor-by-getting-adopt-a-highway-/). Would more anecdotal evidence like this change your mind? Personally, even if every neo-Nazi group in the country was doing stuff like this I wouldn't have any higher op... | 7r0yqq | CMV: Neo-Nazis are inherently evil | Okay, let me explain. Honestly, with everything that’s been going on in the world, and from my own personal experience, what I see is that Neo-Nazis don’t do any good. Which isn’t surprising to me, considering that they discriminate against other people and some deny that an entire major historical event occurred, and ... | SpeckleSnowflake | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: United States has the highest level of freedom of speech in the world
Most would argue that majority of democratic states have a certain level on freedom of speech, yet under the first amendment, only the United States guarantees that government cannot infringe on this fundamental right. The only limitation to th... | > only the United States guarantees that government cannot infringe on this fundamental right
May I present to you article 19 of the Belgian constitution?
> Art. 19. De vrijheid van eredienst, de vrije openbare uitoefening ervan, alsmede de vrijheid om op elk gebied zijn mening te uiten, zijn gewaarborgd, behoudens... | Reporters without Boarders puts out a yearly freedom of speech index for all countries in the world. The US is [currently 44th](https://rsf.org/en/ranking). Their rationale:
>As with any patient, however, while the most obvious symptoms of an ailing democracy may have cleared up, many chronic, underlying conditions ... | qydsho | CMV: United States has the highest level of freedom of speech in the world | Most would argue that majority of democratic states have a certain level on freedom of speech, yet under the first amendment, only the United States guarantees that government cannot infringe on this fundamental right. The only limitation to the amendment is a direct incitement of violence. As far as I am aware, all de... | Ok_Pomelo7511 | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: If you want to get married and be financially successful, don't marry someone artistic or creative
If you're a younger person (early-mid 20's) and considering marriage, if financial success is important to you don't marry someone "creative" or "artistic"
Anything artistic or creative is not a money maker, it's a... | >It was cute when she was 9 years old and her father asked her what she wanted to do when she grew up and she answered "Daddy, I just want to dance"
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>Change My View
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^I ^dedicated ^those ^bulletpoints ^to ^Stan ^Lee
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CMV: If you want to get married and be financially successful, don't marry someone artistic or creative
If you're a younger person (early-mid 20's) and considering marriage, if financial success is important to you don't marry someone "creative" or "artistic"
Anything artistic or creative is not a money maker, it's a... | What does artistic and creativity have to do with it? Why not just don't marry someone without a career? Leave your sexism out of it.
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What does sex have to do with it? | You mean, someone who has an artistic or creative *job*?
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What I'm saying is it's important to determine/differentiate what is a job and what is a hobby
This past decade, so many people (disproportionately women) seem to have fallen into this mindset of "follow your passion" and it's encouraged through high schoo... | a6bgvx | CMV: If you want to get married and be financially successful, don't marry someone artistic or creative | If you're a younger person (early-mid 20's) and considering marriage, if financial success is important to you don't marry someone "creative" or "artistic"
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CMV: If trans people are going to be all over the place and gender is a social construct then pre-op and post-op trans should be different genders
The sheer volume of both men and women coming out as trans in my life in the past decade has caused me to shift away from being uncomfortable and more accepting. Last week ... | Why though? Genitals only matter to the person and their partner. There's no particular visual distinction between pre and post op people in clothing.
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Maybe they don't have a partner.
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Then it matters even less to anyone else. If you aren't having sex with them, why do their genitals matter?
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What if yo... | It sounds like you’re still pretty uncomfortable if you’re trying to dictate and label people in a situation you’ve never experienced
Your BELIEF of millennia’s of clearly defined genders contradicts the facts that texts speak of and graves of transgender/third-gender both date back to 2500 BCE and depictions in art ... | jbrpns | CMV: If trans people are going to be all over the place and gender is a social construct then pre-op and post-op trans should be different genders | The sheer volume of both men and women coming out as trans in my life in the past decade has caused me to shift away from being uncomfortable and more accepting. Last week I learned that two of my childhood friends came out as trans and are female presenting and taking hormones.
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CMV: I don’t believe that “randomness” actually exists.
It’s a fun idea, but I am very very very hard pressed to think of any real thing that’s actually random.
I understand *functional* randomness, but I am begging anybody to name something that is *actually* random.
Grains of sand in the wind are influenced to mov... | Bells Inequality shows that quantum randomness is not deterministic except if it's a super weird type of determinism, or else quantum mechanics is totally misunderstood.
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^[Delta System Explained](htt... | 142qhuo | CMV: I don’t believe that “randomness” actually exists. | It’s a fun idea, but I am very very very hard pressed to think of any real thing that’s actually random.
I understand *functional* randomness, but I am begging anybody to name something that is *actually* random.
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CMV: The Rittenhouse verdict was correct, but self-defense laws are too broad and risk turning the US into the wild west
There was a phrase popular in the Trump era that "Facts don't care about your feelings", but the only standard for self-defense is that you "feel" your life was in danger. If two people both threate... | [deleted]
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A feeling of fear, no? A felt threat.
Reasonable, as stated above, but what does that mean?
I fear CCers because they can kill me, is that reasonable enough?
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They can kill you; anyone can kill you. What you need is reasonable evidence that your life is in imminent danger; in other words; that ... | Not really. You have to prove your fear was *reasonable*. Rittenhouse did that; the people he shot were actively attacking him and chasing him to prevent him getting to the cops for protection. This was proved by video from multiple angles and from testimony. So you can't just open fire on a whim. Self defense cases en... | qyf80z | CMV: The Rittenhouse verdict was correct, but self-defense laws are too broad and risk turning the US into the wild west | There was a phrase popular in the Trump era that "Facts don't care about your feelings", but the only standard for self-defense is that you "feel" your life was in danger. If two people both threaten each other, both their lives are in danger and both are privy to self-defense from one another.
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There was a phrase popular in the Trump era that "Facts don't care about your feelings", but the only standard for self-defense is that you "feel" your life was in danger. If two people both threate... | Actually you need to have a ***reasonable*** belief that your life is in danger. That may not sound like a big difference, but it is. If you just "feel" that someone is threatening you without any good reasons to do so, you will not be able to claim self defence in court.
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A feeling of fear, no? A felt threat.
Reasonable, as stated above, but what does that mean?
I fear CCers because they can kill me, is that reasonable enough?
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CMV: The public response to the United healthcare CEO’s death is proof that the majority of the US is left-wing economically, at least on healthcare.
I made a cmw a little while back that asserted that the majority of the US is economically liberal, and socially moderate. Conservatives politicians typically attack the... | Frankly, I think you’re assuming ideological coherence in a way that the American electorate doesn’t reflect.
All it proves is that Americans are generally distrustful of CEOs and that they hate health insurance companies.
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If anything I feel like what people post online is the MOST reflective of how they really... | Imagine living in a country where citizens are guaranteed access to guns in the constitution but not health care.
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CMV: I do not value loyalty as I understand it
Ethically speaking, I understand a value to be something that is considered a purely good thing. Something that we cannot have too much of. This as opposed to something like Aristotelian virtues, which require a balance.
Loyalty, as I understand it, compels you to do thi... | > I understand a value to be something that is considered a purely good thing. Something that we cannot have too much of.
Name one of these that exists. For every virtue, there is its excess.
You can love too hard. You can care too much. You can be too honest.
Every virtue must be tempered with common sense.
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If you don't value adhering to an ideal on faith (which is shorthand for "god wills it" or "it just is") it's simply not going to make sense to do so in the... | 1bfe9xe | CMV: I do not value loyalty as I understand it | Ethically speaking, I understand a value to be something that is considered a purely good thing. Something that we cannot have too much of. This as opposed to something like Aristotelian virtues, which require a balance.
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CMV: American society (and as a consequence the government) is ill, is damaging and hurting my nation, and Americans must face consequences or change their country for the better
Edit: Guys no need to reply to me anymore. /u/iwfan53 changed my view with surgical precision.
He convinced me that issues in America, just... | >You can simply team up and vote third party.
Why isn't it better to instead just support the one of the two major parties that has a history of making deals with Iran, trying to open up relations?
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He convinced me that issues in America, just like in Iran, are systemic and Americans are not really able to change their fate with push of a button like I thought... I thought you CAN do something about these stuff and you ... | Kamran_Santiago | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: LGBTQ+ folks who argue that “straight people don’t need a pride month”, and the overall accent on being LGBTQ+ meaning someone is special increase the divide and tensions
To start, I’m not talking about the “straight pride month” that was actually a disguise for a Trump rally.
Basically, my view is that pride mo... | I actually get your point but I think to help the normalization process it’s necessary to have a large show of celebration of LGBT+. While the goal is for it to not matter in the slightest, that’s just not where we are as a race at the moment when there’s still lots of places where being gay can get you killed, we’re f... | It’s difficult for a group that’s never been oppressed to celebrate their escape from oppression and it honestly seems a bit mastubatory considering straight people were the ones who were criminalizing LGBTQ+ people living their lives.
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Basically, my view is that pride month and LGBTQ+ in general essentially exclude straight people, and this increases the tensions and pushes people who are undecided on the issue to the side of rejecting LGBTQ+ r... | kbruen | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Wearing seat-belts should not be mandatory.
I believe we should allow people to make their own mistakes as much as possible.
This goes with a lot of things, but the focus of this, is seat-belts.
We force people to wear them by law because getting in a car wreck could kill them.
But if they'... | They aren’t just harming themselves. The cost of injuries sustained is passed on to everyone in the form of increased insurance premiums, causing economic harm.
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DAMN. I never even thought of that.
But is that a good reason to make it illegal?
What if insurance companies made it so that... | If you don't wear your seatbelt, you could go flying out your front window in a head-on crash, possibly flying into other people and causing more damage.
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Car crashes happen *a lot* and without seatbelts, you would have *a lot* of peop... | a68n7p | CMV: Wearing seat-belts should not be mandatory. | I believe we should allow people to make their own mistakes as much as possible.
This goes with a lot of things, but the focus of this, is seat-belts.
We force people to wear them by law because getting in a car wreck could kill them.
But if they're willing to put themselves at risk, why should w... | CockFondler | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: America should return the statue of liberty to France if it continues its ridiculous stance on immigration.
The statue of liberty was giving to America by France, and the inscription on it is a tribute to Americas welcoming attatude towards immigrants , it is after all a nation of immigrants. But America no longe... | It’s a monument to American values that were valued enough to warrant a gift from France and stand as a symbol of those values in one of the most prominent places in the country. It is a *massive* reminder of those values to Americans and the rest of the world. No one can argue that America wasn’t open and welcoming to... | We accept legal immigrants. Not illegal immigrants.
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Even so, Trump has suggested and endorsed plans for a merit based immigration system. Doesn't this go against the "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore" inscribed on the statue?
... | 9d00jm | CMV: America should return the statue of liberty to France if it continues its ridiculous stance on immigration. | The statue of liberty was giving to America by France, and the inscription on it is a tribute to Americas welcoming attatude towards immigrants , it is after all a nation of immigrants. But America no longer has this attatude, America is putting immigrants seeking asylum into camps, taking their kids from them, and abu... | krispykremey55 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest.
I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who ... | This is the age old question of rights.
For example, go back to monarchy to remove this whole "America the center of the world politics" bullshit. The French peasants with no rights are struggling to feed themselves due to (natural events, profit motives, governmental laws, etc).
The peasants appeal to their leader... | Is anybody seriously advocating that it is totally justified, reasonable, and/or good to destroy the businesses, cars, homes, or other property of innocent people who had nothing to do with whatever is being protested?
I ask because I see the claim being made a lot that people, especially those on the political left, ... | qy8o1y | CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest. | I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who had nothing to do with the injustice being protested. You do not have a right to burn their car, destroy their ho... | LoudTraining8485 | 9 | 9 | [
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CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest.
I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who ... | Is anybody seriously advocating that it is totally justified, reasonable, and/or good to destroy the businesses, cars, homes, or other property of innocent people who had nothing to do with whatever is being protested?
I ask because I see the claim being made a lot that people, especially those on the political left, ... | How do you know they're innocent?
The people that are politically silenced to the point of rioting are almost always rightfully pissed off about the state of their community. And they are the people within that community, they know which businesses for instance have historically been shit heads and deserve broken wind... | qy8o1y | CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest. | I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who had nothing to do with the injustice being protested. You do not have a right to burn their car, destroy their ho... | LoudTraining8485 | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest.
I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who ... | This is the age old question of rights.
For example, go back to monarchy to remove this whole "America the center of the world politics" bullshit. The French peasants with no rights are struggling to feed themselves due to (natural events, profit motives, governmental laws, etc).
The peasants appeal to their leader... | Is anybody seriously advocating that it is totally justified, reasonable, and/or good to destroy the businesses, cars, homes, or other property of innocent people who had nothing to do with whatever is being protested?
I ask because I see the claim being made a lot that people, especially those on the political left, ... | qy8o1y | CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest. | I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who had nothing to do with the injustice being protested. You do not have a right to burn their car, destroy their ho... | LoudTraining8485 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest.
I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who ... | Is anybody seriously advocating that it is totally justified, reasonable, and/or good to destroy the businesses, cars, homes, or other property of innocent people who had nothing to do with whatever is being protested?
I ask because I see the claim being made a lot that people, especially those on the political left, ... | This is the age old question of rights.
For example, go back to monarchy to remove this whole "America the center of the world politics" bullshit. The French peasants with no rights are struggling to feed themselves due to (natural events, profit motives, governmental laws, etc).
The peasants appeal to their leader... | qy8o1y | CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest. | I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who had nothing to do with the injustice being protested. You do not have a right to burn their car, destroy their ho... | LoudTraining8485 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest.
I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who ... | This is the age old question of rights.
For example, go back to monarchy to remove this whole "America the center of the world politics" bullshit. The French peasants with no rights are struggling to feed themselves due to (natural events, profit motives, governmental laws, etc).
The peasants appeal to their leader... | How do you know they're innocent?
The people that are politically silenced to the point of rioting are almost always rightfully pissed off about the state of their community. And they are the people within that community, they know which businesses for instance have historically been shit heads and deserve broken wind... | qy8o1y | CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest. | I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who had nothing to do with the injustice being protested. You do not have a right to burn their car, destroy their ho... | LoudTraining8485 | 9 | 9 | [
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CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest.
I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who ... | This is the age old question of rights.
For example, go back to monarchy to remove this whole "America the center of the world politics" bullshit. The French peasants with no rights are struggling to feed themselves due to (natural events, profit motives, governmental laws, etc).
The peasants appeal to their leader... | Is anybody seriously advocating that it is totally justified, reasonable, and/or good to destroy the businesses, cars, homes, or other property of innocent people who had nothing to do with whatever is being protested?
I ask because I see the claim being made a lot that people, especially those on the political left, ... | qy8o1y | CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest. | I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who had nothing to do with the injustice being protested. You do not have a right to burn their car, destroy their ho... | LoudTraining8485 | 9 | 9 | [
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CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest.
I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who ... | This is the age old question of rights.
For example, go back to monarchy to remove this whole "America the center of the world politics" bullshit. The French peasants with no rights are struggling to feed themselves due to (natural events, profit motives, governmental laws, etc).
The peasants appeal to their leader... | Is anybody seriously advocating that it is totally justified, reasonable, and/or good to destroy the businesses, cars, homes, or other property of innocent people who had nothing to do with whatever is being protested?
I ask because I see the claim being made a lot that people, especially those on the political left, ... | qy8o1y | CMV: there is no justification to destroy innocent peoples businesses, cars and homes during a riot or protest. | I understand the rage, I understand the sense of injustice. But that innocent person had nothing to do with it.
I don’t care what the reason is. You do not have a right to burn down someone’s business who had nothing to do with the injustice being protested. You do not have a right to burn their car, destroy their ho... | LoudTraining8485 | 9 | 9 | [
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