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CMV: People who move into less desirable areas with established infrastructure should not be able to lodge complaints about any negative impact of that
A discussion in my local area has raised several complaints about noise, vibration and dust particles from a nearby, well-established mine. The mine dates back to the ... | Without the ability to lodge complaints, what reason would a city have to improve the area?
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I agree complaints should be able to be lodged, particularly if, say in this situation, a mine wanted to develop nuclear power abilities or make significant changes to normal operation. However I don't think it's fair for ... | They should be able to lodge complaints if the negative impact is greater than what is permitted or increased relative to when they moved in past the point of being tolerable. Light dust around your house which is close to a mine? That’s fair. Thick dust cloud you can’t even see through when you open your door? That is... | gf4pq5 | CMV: People who move into less desirable areas with established infrastructure should not be able to lodge complaints about any negative impact of that | A discussion in my local area has raised several complaints about noise, vibration and dust particles from a nearby, well-established mine. The mine dates back to the early 1900s, prior to the area's development, and offers free subscriptions to SMS alerts prior to any explosives use. There are regulations stating they... | GemTheGerm | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People shouldn't do good deeds just to do good deeds.
I feel this way because of the "generous to a fault" premise. If you do a good deed, then that just gets people to recognize that you are a target to take advantage of. And they'll take advantage of that. And if you do good deeds and people look at you in ... | A good person doesn't really care what people think about her/his actions. She/He does them because she/he is a good person and the deed is a good deed. That's it.
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That's true but then since he or she doesn't care, he or she doesn't care if someone is trying to take advantage of them and they let it happen, not e... | Suppose I volunteer at a soup kitchen serving food to the homeless... how does someone notice me as a target and how does someone take advantage of that? Why would that turn people against me?
> And people do this if they don't like the positive perception that people have of you due to your generosity.
That is a sup... | abw5pz | CMV: People shouldn't do good deeds just to do good deeds. | I feel this way because of the "generous to a fault" premise. If you do a good deed, then that just gets people to recognize that you are a target to take advantage of. And they'll take advantage of that. And if you do good deeds and people look at you in a positive light for it, people can make you look bad by fli... | mcpon14 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People shouldn't do good deeds just to do good deeds.
I feel this way because of the "generous to a fault" premise. If you do a good deed, then that just gets people to recognize that you are a target to take advantage of. And they'll take advantage of that. And if you do good deeds and people look at you in ... | What if you're just smart enough to know when you're being taken advantage of so you doll out your 'good deeds for their own sake' only when you're comfortable?
Seems a bit odd to throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to being a kind person.
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What if you don't feel like you are being taken advanta... | Suppose I volunteer at a soup kitchen serving food to the homeless... how does someone notice me as a target and how does someone take advantage of that? Why would that turn people against me?
> And people do this if they don't like the positive perception that people have of you due to your generosity.
That is a sup... | abw5pz | CMV: People shouldn't do good deeds just to do good deeds. | I feel this way because of the "generous to a fault" premise. If you do a good deed, then that just gets people to recognize that you are a target to take advantage of. And they'll take advantage of that. And if you do good deeds and people look at you in a positive light for it, people can make you look bad by fli... | mcpon14 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The best way for US citizens to resist the new fascist regime is to stop paying.
I've seen a lot of posts from Americans saying we can't protest, whys the point etc and I think an effective way to protest and resist the fall into fascism is to stop cooperating with the system.
A democracy works by consent and mo... | i don’t disagree with the sentiment but unfortunately it would have to be A LOT of us doing it abruptly and simultaneously otherwise we will face serious consequences. nobody else can just claim immunity. trump can’t even claim immunity but he does a lot of things he’s not supposed to be able to do.
the ONLY way this... | Most people have taxes taken out of their paycheck, they can't really choose
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Can't they ask their company not to do it? No idea how it works in the US.
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The company wont actually do that as the company still owes those taxes . . . . | 1k1gbcw | CMV: The best way for US citizens to resist the new fascist regime is to stop paying. | I've seen a lot of posts from Americans saying we can't protest, whys the point etc and I think an effective way to protest and resist the fall into fascism is to stop cooperating with the system.
A democracy works by consent and most people who aren't Maga fanatics do not consent to the destruction of the constitutio... | yIdontunderstand | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: "SJWS" Have done more harm for LGBT people and other minority groups than they have good.
I say this knowing their hearts are in the right place but sadly their heads may not, as a gay man myself I've had many unpleasant experiences with far left social justice types.
They expect you to conform to a certain ste... | So could you give me some specific examples of how 'SJWs' have harmed you and LGBT people in general? My experience of social justicey spaces is that they're very accepting so long as you offer them the same courtesy, although they can be very over earnest.
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Most of my examples could be seen as objective but const... | >Many of us simply want to get on with our lives whilst being aware of the disadvantages we may have but still wish to just get on with it and not make a big deal out of our situations and just simply want to be happy, and many of us are but we're constantly told we need to be angry over something and then people on th... | gf4ni1 | CMV: "SJWS" Have done more harm for LGBT people and other minority groups than they have good. | I say this knowing their hearts are in the right place but sadly their heads may not, as a gay man myself I've had many unpleasant experiences with far left social justice types.
They expect you to conform to a certain stereotype to meet their criteria of an oppressed person and if you don't you are branded a traitor... | 3and202 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: "SJWS" Have done more harm for LGBT people and other minority groups than they have good.
I say this knowing their hearts are in the right place but sadly their heads may not, as a gay man myself I've had many unpleasant experiences with far left social justice types.
They expect you to conform to a certain ste... | So could you give me some specific examples of how 'SJWs' have harmed you and LGBT people in general? My experience of social justicey spaces is that they're very accepting so long as you offer them the same courtesy, although they can be very over earnest.
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Most of my examples could be seen as objective but const... | This argument is filled with generalizations. I feel like you’re referring more to online trolls than you are to the actual social justice movement. Can you give a concrete example of the harm they have done? You don’t provide one in your post...
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Here's an article that elaborates on my thoughts
https://medium.co... | gf4ni1 | CMV: "SJWS" Have done more harm for LGBT people and other minority groups than they have good. | I say this knowing their hearts are in the right place but sadly their heads may not, as a gay man myself I've had many unpleasant experiences with far left social justice types.
They expect you to conform to a certain stereotype to meet their criteria of an oppressed person and if you don't you are branded a traitor... | 3and202 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trans women competing (and possible dominating against) cis women is no different than say black men dominating against men of other races in many sports
There is so much controversy about trans women competing against cis women and how it's "unfair" because they can dominate in sports, but I don't see how it's a... | Just.....wow.
Black men do not have an inherent biological advantage over men of any other race. On the contrary, males have an immense biological advantage over women because they’re bigger and stronger. That’s an over simplification, but I’m not sure how much value there’d be in going into more detail with someone ... | >However, I wonder if I've missed some pertinent point or piece of info that would make me think differently on this subject, since so many people always get up in arms about trans women competing against cis women but don't care about other types of people dominating in sports.
It all hinges on whether you believe tr... | d5k3lh | CMV: Trans women competing (and possible dominating against) cis women is no different than say black men dominating against men of other races in many sports | There is so much controversy about trans women competing against cis women and how it's "unfair" because they can dominate in sports, but I don't see how it's any different at all from other types of people dominating in sports with no controversy. A very easily noticeable example is black people's dominance of multipl... | blitheobjective | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Trans women competing (and possible dominating against) cis women is no different than say black men dominating against men of other races in many sports
There is so much controversy about trans women competing against cis women and how it's "unfair" because they can dominate in sports, but I don't see how it's a... | Just.....wow.
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I would argue that the divide between men and women, athletically, is much greater than the divide between men and men, racially.
Having a longer limbs because y... | d5k3lh | CMV: Trans women competing (and possible dominating against) cis women is no different than say black men dominating against men of other races in many sports | There is so much controversy about trans women competing against cis women and how it's "unfair" because they can dominate in sports, but I don't see how it's any different at all from other types of people dominating in sports with no controversy. A very easily noticeable example is black people's dominance of multipl... | blitheobjective | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It’s not considered “irresponsible” to not vote in an election if you can’t decide on a political/party.
I know the main argument against this is typically “pick who you agree with most”. The problem lies in what is considered more important and less important to you.
Let’s say for example your views on immigra... | If you've truly done all the research and learned as much as you can about the differences between all candidates available -- beyond the buzzwords either party is throwing out about themselves and each other -- and you absolutely cannot weigh one option that you prefer over the other, you should still go vote.
When y... | You are ignoring a lot of options that are available. For example, you can strategically vote. Some people tend to vote for the party that is not in power because they feel uncomfortable with a large imbalance of power in the government.
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That’s a good idea. But what if you don’t feel comfortable voting for anyon... | apw1n3 | CMV: It’s not considered “irresponsible” to not vote in an election if you can’t decide on a political/party. | I know the main argument against this is typically “pick who you agree with most”. The problem lies in what is considered more important and less important to you.
Let’s say for example your views on immigration are considered liberal and your views on healthcare are conservative. Typically it’s hard to find a candid... | paperslacker | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I don’t care about climate change.
Let’s stipulate that human activity influences the climate, and that the climate also ebbs and flows on its own accord.
I don’t care about climate change because I’m not convinced that getting a bit warmer is a bad thing. Concern over global warming makes the arbitrary assumpt... | The vast majority of people live very close to a coast line, which means if sea levels rise by any significant margin there's going to be a refugee crisis the likes of which the world has never seen. Like relocate all of New York City, and LA, and San Fran, and a ton more. And that's just in the US. That'll be happenin... | Climate change concern has zero to do with harming the Earth. The Earth will survive whether average temps increase 20 degrees or plummet 20 degrees. Climate change concern is about humans.
Humans have spent the last 300 years creating society with the assumption that weather will be X. Climate change means weather wi... | 96i78u | CMV: I don’t care about climate change. | Let’s stipulate that human activity influences the climate, and that the climate also ebbs and flows on its own accord.
I don’t care about climate change because I’m not convinced that getting a bit warmer is a bad thing. Concern over global warming makes the arbitrary assumption that the global temperature just befo... | MorningCoffeeCraps | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I don’t care about climate change.
Let’s stipulate that human activity influences the climate, and that the climate also ebbs and flows on its own accord.
I don’t care about climate change because I’m not convinced that getting a bit warmer is a bad thing. Concern over global warming makes the arbitrary assumpt... | Climate change concern has zero to do with harming the Earth. The Earth will survive whether average temps increase 20 degrees or plummet 20 degrees. Climate change concern is about humans.
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I don’t care about climate change because I’m not convinced that getting a bit warmer is a bad thing. Concern over global warming makes the arbitrary assumption that the global temperature just befo... | MorningCoffeeCraps | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Not everyone's vote should have the same weight
I was having an argument with my friend just now, and I have come to the conclusion that not everyone's vote should be have the same weight. While I am sure that most people have come to their decision after careful evaluation and deliberation, there is still a size... | Who decides how much each person's vote is worth? And what reason does anyone have to respect a system that values the vote of someone else over theres?
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I am not entirely sure, I still thinking about it, but a roman-styled system could be considered. Education and wealth could be taken into consideration. Of cou... | So how would you fairly decide whose vote should be worth extra, how should it work?
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That is something I am not entirely sure of, I still thinking about it, but a roman-styled system could be considered. Modifications have to be made to suit modern society of course. Education and possibly wealth could be taken i... | gf42en | CMV: Not everyone's vote should have the same weight | I was having an argument with my friend just now, and I have come to the conclusion that not everyone's vote should be have the same weight. While I am sure that most people have come to their decision after careful evaluation and deliberation, there is still a sizeable minority of people who may not exactly think thin... | [deleted] | 5 | 5 | [
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Cmv: Hawaii shouldnt be an American state and its culture is vastly different from the rest of America.
i dont know too much about the history of hawaii, but i feel uncomfortable thinking about Hawaii as an american state, it almost feels like america has tainted its culture by making it a state.
Theyre doing their o... | where do you think Hawaii would be better suited?
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as an independent nation, or a U.S. territory like Puerto Rico
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Uh, you do realize that being a territory comes with *less* representation at the national level, right? There's a reason that the Puerto Rico statehood movement has been going on for so long. | Ultimately people should have a choice in whether they're part of the USA. And it sounds like the vast majority of residents in Hawaii support remaining part of the USA.
Hawaiian sovereignty has never been a popular movement.
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im sure thats got a lot to do with Hawaiis dependence on the states for protection.
--... | gf1j0q | Cmv: Hawaii shouldnt be an American state and its culture is vastly different from the rest of America. | i dont know too much about the history of hawaii, but i feel uncomfortable thinking about Hawaii as an american state, it almost feels like america has tainted its culture by making it a state.
Theyre doing their own thing and it like when you go to a family reunion and you see the family members that kind of associat... | dejael | 3 | 3 | [
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Cmv: Hawaii shouldnt be an American state and its culture is vastly different from the rest of America.
i dont know too much about the history of hawaii, but i feel uncomfortable thinking about Hawaii as an american state, it almost feels like america has tainted its culture by making it a state.
Theyre doing their o... | Being a state is purely a governmental arrangement. There's no requirement that they adopt any part of American culture, or of any culture for that matter. You say that you think America is weighing Hawaii down, but you don't say *how.* Where does Hawaii want to go that its membership in the union prevents it from g... | where do you think Hawaii would be better suited?
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as an independent nation, or a U.S. territory like Puerto Rico
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why do you think that making them an independent nation or US territory would significantly effect their culture?
also, how do you feel about reservations? | gf1j0q | Cmv: Hawaii shouldnt be an American state and its culture is vastly different from the rest of America. | i dont know too much about the history of hawaii, but i feel uncomfortable thinking about Hawaii as an american state, it almost feels like america has tainted its culture by making it a state.
Theyre doing their own thing and it like when you go to a family reunion and you see the family members that kind of associat... | dejael | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Animal Testing is Never Okay
There are very valuable things to be gotten from animal testing (re: for medicine, obv not for cosmetics), but humans, the de-facto stewards of the planet, **should - as a rule - never create pain/suffering/torture**, no matter to what end; I imagine my cat's face when she's trapped i... | Suppose testing some drug on ants saves countless human lives. Is this not worth? A utilitarian would say yes. Pretty much every moral framework would say yes. I see animal testing as very morally troubling, but to have such a black and white view on this seems extreme.
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Sorry, I should have specified that ants / ... | So a couple of prying questions:
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* Do you believe that compensation in the form of a money or food can be given to any human or animal to 'right the wrong' of suffering?
* Is it better to test on humans without any prior testing on an... | d5kptn | CMV: Animal Testing is Never Okay | There are very valuable things to be gotten from animal testing (re: for medicine, obv not for cosmetics), but humans, the de-facto stewards of the planet, **should - as a rule - never create pain/suffering/torture**, no matter to what end; I imagine my cat's face when she's trapped in an uncomfortable position and unh... | WoofWoofington | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Animal Testing is Never Okay
There are very valuable things to be gotten from animal testing (re: for medicine, obv not for cosmetics), but humans, the de-facto stewards of the planet, **should - as a rule - never create pain/suffering/torture**, no matter to what end; I imagine my cat's face when she's trapped i... | What if the animal testing facilitated breakthroughs that greatly reduced the suffering of animals in the future?
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I'm sure it would. And I'm sure eugenics would improve our species, and I'm sure that slavery would be the most efficient way to propel one race above another.
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* Do you believe that compensation in the form of a money or food can be given to any human or animal to 'right the wrong' of suffering?
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CMV: Children are increasingly exposed to content they should not be and our society should work to preventing them from accessing harmful material.
You can see this in almost any space geared toward children. The “gacha heat” and “Minecraft monster school” trends are incredibly pervasive, pseudo-pornographic material... | Can you provide sources that children are being exposed to bondage and sexually provacative dances in any significant way?
Cause I live in an extremely progressive area full of drag shows, have a small child, and work in young children's education. I've never heard of it happening.
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That’s not the only issue I li... | Do you mean fight governmentally? For example there has been recent push for a requirement to show id to access online porn in some states and the UK.
If things like this are what you mean then we have to be careful. Many protections can be harmful in other ways. The above example would be a fear that the ID verific... | 1aicm5a | CMV: Children are increasingly exposed to content they should not be and our society should work to preventing them from accessing harmful material. | You can see this in almost any space geared toward children. The “gacha heat” and “Minecraft monster school” trends are incredibly pervasive, pseudo-pornographic material that are geared toward children that deal with themes of rape, beastality, mind control, bondage, sex slavery etc. (You can find YouTube video docume... | LowPressureUsername | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: In Groupon’s “Pool Boy” commercial, Tiffany Haddish sexually harasses the pool boy.
[Link](https://youtu.be/XniR5aa6uZQ) for those that haven’t seen it.
A catcall is definite by [Marriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catcall) as:
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Second, and more importantly, the ad does not depict Haddish's character sexual harassment in a positive light. By close-zooming on the discomfort of the pool boy, it is... | The nature of their relationship is not known. It's likely this isn't their first interaction. Maybe he has a crush on her and she knows, maybe she's giving him a hard time, or maybe they're hooking up on the regular and having a good time.
If that's the first time they spoke, you'd have a point, but that's not clear.... | 8hodvz | CMV: In Groupon’s “Pool Boy” commercial, Tiffany Haddish sexually harasses the pool boy. | [Link](https://youtu.be/XniR5aa6uZQ) for those that haven’t seen it.
A catcall is definite by [Marriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catcall) as:
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CMV: The food industry has no moral obligation to consider the health of Americans; they are not responsible for the American obesity crisis.
My argument for this is fairly simple:
* The aim of a corporation is to make money
* A corporation can morally work towards their aim with any actions or inactions, as long a... | Processed foods are the product of corporations looking to make money off the fact that most people are too lazy to make full meals from scratch like they used to. No parent in the USA buying Kraft Mac and Cheese thinks how bad that stuff is for their kids. They think it's quick and easy and relatively healthy. But.... | You can have no moral obligation to deal with something, and still be responsible for it. In fact that's often the case. If I own a factory that is not profitable, I have no moral obligation to keep it open. But I'm still responsible for shutting it down. I'm responsible for not keeping the business healthy enough for ... | 6kjk4l | CMV: The food industry has no moral obligation to consider the health of Americans; they are not responsible for the American obesity crisis. | My argument for this is fairly simple:
* The aim of a corporation is to make money
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CMV: Bookstores are Obsolete and Should be Replaced by Libraries
When I say "Bookstore" I mean brick and mortar physical book stores you walk into.
When I say obsolete I mean that their way of selling books to customers is inferior to checking out the book from the store/library, followed by buying it from Amazon.
L... | Oftentimes people go to book stores (and libraries) to find books that they normally **wouldn't** find on Amazon. I have a rare book store near my house that I walk around in and every time I go there I find something new, some rare textbook from the 40s, or some storybook I would have never otherwise come across. So ... | I have a problem with a single gigantic corporation controlling what books will be profitable and how books will be marketed.
The great thing about a good book store is the curation — Amazon is allwaya going to push the most profitable books, not necessarily the best ones.
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There are other online vendors for b... | 96icic | CMV: Bookstores are Obsolete and Should be Replaced by Libraries | When I say "Bookstore" I mean brick and mortar physical book stores you walk into.
When I say obsolete I mean that their way of selling books to customers is inferior to checking out the book from the store/library, followed by buying it from Amazon.
Lets look at what book stores provide:
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When I say "Bookstore" I mean brick and mortar physical book stores you walk into.
When I say obsolete I mean that their way of selling books to customers is inferior to checking out the book from the store/library, followed by buying it from Amazon.
L... | Oftentimes people go to book stores (and libraries) to find books that they normally **wouldn't** find on Amazon. I have a rare book store near my house that I walk around in and every time I go there I find something new, some rare textbook from the 40s, or some storybook I would have never otherwise come across. So ... | I'm going ignore your last sentence because you can't really stipulate that there are only two ways to change your view.
Personally I think you would be hurting authors and other people who make money out of the sale of books. You would be taking away an entire section of the market - people who buy books at book sto... | 96icic | CMV: Bookstores are Obsolete and Should be Replaced by Libraries | When I say "Bookstore" I mean brick and mortar physical book stores you walk into.
When I say obsolete I mean that their way of selling books to customers is inferior to checking out the book from the store/library, followed by buying it from Amazon.
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CMV: NiceGuys/Incels are the result of cultural shifts that render unto them a psychological void.
I'm a recovering NiceGuy. I read a book recently by a male therapist who has meetup groups around North America regarding the same, passive-aggressiveness, resentment, and lack of self-esteem that comes with NiceGuy Synd... | The incel ideology is fundamentally not that different from what Aristotle, Genghis Khan, or Napoleon Bonaparte would have believed about the nature and proper role of women.
It isn't some brand new school of thought that was recently *created* by anything, it is just baseline sexism.
If you want to focus on the uniq... | >and they're often medicated for it
ADHD is a very real and very serious disorder that can have a detrimental impact on a person's ability to succeed in life. It is not "boys being boys", and I would question the credentials of any "therapist" who says that boys are being medicated simply because they are rambunctious... | d5iu07 | CMV: NiceGuys/Incels are the result of cultural shifts that render unto them a psychological void. | I'm a recovering NiceGuy. I read a book recently by a male therapist who has meetup groups around North America regarding the same, passive-aggressiveness, resentment, and lack of self-esteem that comes with NiceGuy Syndrome. I've found it really enlightening. The author sees this phenomenon occuring for 2 reasons. I t... | [deleted] | 9 | 9 | [
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CMV: Game mechanics should be available for anyone to use, and games having closed source code is not useful.
I think that letting any game mechanic be used by anyone is more beneficial. Like how you can patent game mechanics, I think that that is harmful to games in general, and limits the ability for that mechanic t... | > I also don't think that games should be closed source
The thing about making games, is that often the people that fund the studio making the game, don't have infinite money. They want their money back, ideally more than their money back.
If others can grab and compile your code wherever, you can't make money, beca... | Do you have any examples?
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The nemesis system comes to mind.
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I’m not familiar with it. Does it have a patent number? | 1bzyoel | CMV: Game mechanics should be available for anyone to use, and games having closed source code is not useful. | I think that letting any game mechanic be used by anyone is more beneficial. Like how you can patent game mechanics, I think that that is harmful to games in general, and limits the ability for that mechanic to be expanded upon or used. What benefit do we get from certain game mechanics being limited to the people who ... | DesideriumScientiae | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes
Some of these assertions only apply in cultures where authenticity is valued more than conformity.
I've created a diagram of my arguments here: https://imgur.com/ehBkC8B
Gray arrows represent one ... | > I would love for you all to tear these arguments and assumptions apart piece-by-piece. Even if you agree with the premise, please look for flaws in my assumptions and causal chains.
You've not really made any sort of argument. You just have a list of statements and fairly nonsenical diagram.
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Can you explain w... | You live in a society. That means conforming to the beliefs and mores of that society except when it is particularly important. Rigorous authenticity will get you quickly shunned, better to be authentic only in moderation.
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That makes sense. My argument is only valid in cultures where authenticity is valued, bec... | hkryl5 | CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes | Some of these assertions only apply in cultures where authenticity is valued more than conformity.
I've created a diagram of my arguments here: https://imgur.com/ehBkC8B
Gray arrows represent one assertion supporting or implying another. Pink arrows represent an assertion contradicting another some of the time.
Here... | Sanwi | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Drunk people CAN consent to sex
It seems common now to say that drunk/intoxicated people cannot give consent. This seems like an absurd claim to me for a couple of reasons.
1. We hold drunk people accountable for their actions in all kinds of scenarios. If a drunk person chooses to get behind a wheel and drive t... | Let’s take a situation:
I take you out to a bar and get you drink. The next day you wake up and all your stuff is outside your house/apartment and I’m living it it. Why? Because while you were drunk I had you sogn it over to me. You don’t remember it but I do have a contract with your signature on it.
Is that consens... | Drunk driving is illegal - so if you are equating the two then you must believe that having sex while drunk is illegal as well.
Driving while drunk is dangerous, so you are punished for the danger that you are posing to other people. What danger do you pose to other people when you are intoxicated and choose to have... | rgjr8l | CMV: Drunk people CAN consent to sex | It seems common now to say that drunk/intoxicated people cannot give consent. This seems like an absurd claim to me for a couple of reasons.
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CMV: Domestic abuse is acceptable as long as it is safe sane and consensual
I think that behaviors commonly characterized as domestic abuse such as men physically beating their wives should be characterized as impromptu BDSM sessions within a relationship and thus should be permissible as long as they fall within the ... | Domestic abuse is by definition not safe, not sane, and not consensual. BDSM is not domestic abuse. Your argument is totally nonsensical and the equivalent of saying that theft is ok if you get permission and pay for it first.
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What I am saying is that domestic abuse is an unhealthy manifestation of the same urge... | If it's consensual then why no knives or fire?
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I think that behaviors commonly characterized as domestic abuse such as men physically beating their wives should be characterized as impromptu BDSM sessions within a relationship and thus should be permissible as long as they fall within the ... | That's like saying that people should be able to rape others as long as they get consent first. Rape is nonconsensual sex by definition. If you get consent first, it's just voluntary sex, maybe with a roleplaying element to it.
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CMV: Voting Republican is bad for the economy and bad for personal freedom
There used to be a time, in the 19th century, when the Republican Party stood for what was right - a time when it defended the freedom of all Americans. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case. Republican policies restrict both the economy an... | Personal freedom is complicated because both parties care about different forms of freedoms and not others.
Similarly with economy. One economy is not going to be best for everyone. The goal is to do the best for most people.
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I see it this way, Republicans value freedom *to* and Democrats value freedom *from*. R... | I think the premise implies that Dems are *good* for personal freedom and economic growth? Or are you arguing it's a uniparty and political parties are irrelevant?
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I'd say it implies that Dems are *less bad* than Republicans, not necessarily good. | 1pnim7i | CMV: Voting Republican is bad for the economy and bad for personal freedom | There used to be a time, in the 19th century, when the Republican Party stood for what was right - a time when it defended the freedom of all Americans. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case. Republican policies restrict both the economy and the individual.
Let's start with the latter point first. Below is a non... | Major_Lie_7110 | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: Scotland is not a country.
As a Scot living in Scotland, I often hear that Scotland is a country. When explaining the United Kingdom, people say that it is a country of countries. They call the Home Nations (England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) various things, including constituent countries and non-in... | > I believe that a country is a sovereign state that is internationally recognised.
That's not the only definition of country. You are selectively choosing one of the multiple definitions of country to make your argument. It's like if I say chocolate bar isn't a bar because it's not a retail establishment where alcoh... | So I think the confusion comes from the tangled history of the colonial empire maintained by the UK. For quite a long time, the UK maintained a colonial empire of wholly (or partially) controlled colonies subject to it. These colonies were frequently considered "countries" and most are today fully independent states.... | 8hfr95 | CMV: Scotland is not a country. | As a Scot living in Scotland, I often hear that Scotland is a country. When explaining the United Kingdom, people say that it is a country of countries. They call the Home Nations (England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) various things, including constituent countries and non-independent countries. I believe th... | benjamintimeline | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Astrology is scientifically sound, but as in all fields, there is a lot of bad science
Coming to this as a skeptic, but also a believer that ancient technology + knowledge is not properly utilized in modern society. I’ve read many of the previous versions of this topic, and have yet to see it presented this way.
... | Your claim is not scientific. To argue that astrology is scientifically sound, you'll have to provide at least one scientific (i.e, falsifiable) theory predicted by astrology and then scientific evidence for it.
Anecdotes about people who used astrology and were also successful are not scientific.
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I’m not saying any of them are more than true others, I’m saying they can work as psychologically beneficial tools if used correctly, + and should not be written off so quickly
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>My assertion ... | 8950ra | CMV: Astrology is scientifically sound, but as in all fields, there is a lot of bad science | Coming to this as a skeptic, but also a believer that ancient technology + knowledge is not properly utilized in modern society. I’ve read many of the previous versions of this topic, and have yet to see it presented this way.
I agree that there are many factors that shape a person’s life, + astrology cannot completel... | vansvch | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Authoritarianism and totalitarianism is the most effective tool to accomplish meaningful change
Basically, I am a fascist. I view democracy as flawed, seeing how the general population is extremely susceptible to politicians and ideas. In my eyes, democracy is nothing more than who can lie the most. Take Trump, f... | What kind of change though? Good change or bad change? Change is only good if something changes for the better.
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Good change. In my eyes, if I rose to power, I wouldn't use any of it for personal gain. I would set aside avarice and greed for the greater good. Universal healthcare, rebuilding the infrastructure, pu... | I think you're looking at this wrong. The most effective tool for change isn't dictators or authoritarians. The most effective tool for change is through culture, education, or media.
Take the example of Chile. Pinochet overthrew the socialist government and took control to establish a right wing military dictatorshi... | 6kw9sl | CMV: Authoritarianism and totalitarianism is the most effective tool to accomplish meaningful change | Basically, I am a fascist. I view democracy as flawed, seeing how the general population is extremely susceptible to politicians and ideas. In my eyes, democracy is nothing more than who can lie the most. Take Trump, for example. On the campaign trail he garnered lots of support for being the "outsider" and non establi... | Um_No_LXIX | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Authoritarianism and totalitarianism is the most effective tool to accomplish meaningful change
Basically, I am a fascist. I view democracy as flawed, seeing how the general population is extremely susceptible to politicians and ideas. In my eyes, democracy is nothing more than who can lie the most. Take Trump, f... | What kind of change though? Good change or bad change? Change is only good if something changes for the better.
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Good change. In my eyes, if I rose to power, I wouldn't use any of it for personal gain. I would set aside avarice and greed for the greater good. Universal healthcare, rebuilding the infrastructure, pu... | It is the most effective tool to accomplish meaningful change. And that's exactly the problem. Consistency is important. You don't want businesses worrying about if someone's going to suddenly change all the rules on a whim. Or knowing that once this guy dies they have no idea what's going to come next. It's better to ... | 6kw9sl | CMV: Authoritarianism and totalitarianism is the most effective tool to accomplish meaningful change | Basically, I am a fascist. I view democracy as flawed, seeing how the general population is extremely susceptible to politicians and ideas. In my eyes, democracy is nothing more than who can lie the most. Take Trump, for example. On the campaign trail he garnered lots of support for being the "outsider" and non establi... | Um_No_LXIX | 9 | 3 | [
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CMV: National parks are not justified by the public interest
I'm very much into camping and the outdoors. I personally benefit from the parks, and have spent months of my life exploring many national parks. My own life is much richer thanks to the national park systems. I know I'm not alone.
But I'm troubled when I ... | Simple example, pollution isn't something we can count on free market forces to correct. You might naively assume that consumers would prefer the company which limits their pollution the most, but that's not the case. For that reason we really do require the EPA to actively regulate companies.
>Therefore, isn't the fa... | >If the benefits of a park exceeded the costs, wouldn't a private recreational company be able to collect enough in admissions fees to outbid development companies, mining companies, etc.?
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CMV: People that watch "Reality TV" have subpar IQs
By "Reality Television" I mean Kardashians, Curse Of Oak Island, Gypsy Trash (or whatever it's called), even TMZ. Do these people honestly believe that there is anything "real" about it? I will even buy the argument "Oh I know it's not real" - but armed with that kno... | There's such a thing as guilty pleasures.
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^[Delta System Explained](https://www.reddit.co... | gevs2n | CMV: People that watch "Reality TV" have subpar IQs | By "Reality Television" I mean Kardashians, Curse Of Oak Island, Gypsy Trash (or whatever it's called), even TMZ. Do these people honestly believe that there is anything "real" about it? I will even buy the argument "Oh I know it's not real" - but armed with that knowledge, what is even interesting about it?
And to m... | Fufishiswaz | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: "Cancel culture" is not a problem, and public backlash is an acceptable downside to being a celebrity
I always hear comedians, youtubers, musicians, etc. complaining about how cancel culture is a menace and must be stopped. However, it is known that when somebody decides to pursue fame and fortune, the downside i... | The problem with public backlash destroying careers is that there are no checks and balances for any claim that someone makes.
Hell, Projared is a great example. He was accused of sending nudes to minors, and accusation put out by two individuals, both teenage males.
People ran that narrative into the ground and bas... | There’s *maybe* a place for some kind of cancel culture, but it’s definitely too extreme.
Take the Kevin Hart situation. He tweeted a few joke and a decade later he couldn’t host the Oscars. Does that sound right?
Or someone like James Gunn. Between the time he made the tweets that got him in a trouble and they actu... | d5alh2 | CMV: "Cancel culture" is not a problem, and public backlash is an acceptable downside to being a celebrity | I always hear comedians, youtubers, musicians, etc. complaining about how cancel culture is a menace and must be stopped. However, it is known that when somebody decides to pursue fame and fortune, the downside is that their entire life is now broadcasted to the masses. This is especially true with things like social m... | Blue97 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The discourse surrounding the California fires proves the differences between Americans are now irreconcilable.
The last few days have really confirmed a suspicion that I’ve held for a few years now: the “United” States might as well be two different countries already. Before anybody asks, the point of this post ... | You need to spend some time off the internet. Those people who you claim can't coexist live together, work together, and play together out in the real world every day. All without even thinking to question the political views of the people they're coexisting with.
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CMV: Pink collar work is more physically and mentally straining than white collar work.
My reasoning behind this is that pink-collar work, which includes food, sales, hotel, teaching, and anything to do with the consumer/customer means you're on your feet all day long trying to please people. Continually having custom... | I can give engineering examples of difficulty for white collar work.
1. If there is a deadline, and the job is expected to be done. If that means pulling 20 hour shifts then you do that.
2. There is constant stress to have something finished, rather than coming in every day to do the same job with a fresh start (Di... | I am confused by the premise of this question, isn't pink collar a term used to describe work traditionally or presently done by women while white collar defines just office workers? Aren't those overlapping? Wouldn't the argument by anyone using the term pink collar be something comparing and contrasting it with blue ... | 8hjtyh | CMV: Pink collar work is more physically and mentally straining than white collar work. | My reasoning behind this is that pink-collar work, which includes food, sales, hotel, teaching, and anything to do with the consumer/customer means you're on your feet all day long trying to please people. Continually having customers treat you rudely takes a considerable mental toll not found in white collar work. Not... | revive_kevin | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Using boycotts to pressure an "offensive" public figure's sponsors to drop them is a perfectly legitimate form of exercising free speech.
As I'm sure all of the Internet knows now, boycotting corporate brands to pressure them to drop "offensive" content has become a popular form of political protest. The boycott ... | Interesting question... In my view, boycotting a company for sponcering someone who you disagree with is against the spirit of free speech, but it is still fair economically. Just remember that your speech has consequences. Recently, some corporations have been boycotted for funding pro-gun avocates... this has resul... | If by "legitimate" you mean "legal", then yeah boycotts aren't illegal unless if there's some particular reason for a specific one to be.
The bigger issue that I see here is that the boycotting doesn't really make any attempt to engage with or refute any of their arguments. The boycotters often times don't seriously l... | 896cbc | CMV: Using boycotts to pressure an "offensive" public figure's sponsors to drop them is a perfectly legitimate form of exercising free speech. | As I'm sure all of the Internet knows now, boycotting corporate brands to pressure them to drop "offensive" content has become a popular form of political protest. The boycott du jour is circling around Laura Ingraham and the Parkland students, and there are talks of Russian bots being involved.
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That's assuming the theory of advocates basically say to a sponsor - you will face a commercial backlash OR I suppose a commercial success (if you do) don't withdraw support of said person.
That means in theory the advo... | 896cbc | CMV: Using boycotts to pressure an "offensive" public figure's sponsors to drop them is a perfectly legitimate form of exercising free speech. | As I'm sure all of the Internet knows now, boycotting corporate brands to pressure them to drop "offensive" content has become a popular form of political protest. The boycott du jour is circling around Laura Ingraham and the Parkland students, and there are talks of Russian bots being involved.
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CMV: Apple iPhones seem better than androids.
iPhone smartphones seem a lot better to me. I don't know anything how good is the iPhone X and stuff, but from my experience I think they're well built, they look nice, IOS is convenient and clean. All my life I've used not too expensive android phones and I've also had a... | You admitted it yourself. You said your android phones have been cheap. iPhones are actually quality phones, because they aren't cheap. Ever try an expensive Samsung?
My first smartphone was an apple, because that's what I knew most about.
I asked my android carrying friends about that system. I liked what I heard. ... | Android is more customisable and allows greater freedom than iPhone. If this is important to you it's a no brainer.
The straw that broke the camel's back for me was that on iPhone I couldn't even change the default browser (ie which browser opens when you clink on a link elsewhere). Maybe they changed this (I dont thi... | 96e235 | CMV: Apple iPhones seem better than androids. | iPhone smartphones seem a lot better to me. I don't know anything how good is the iPhone X and stuff, but from my experience I think they're well built, they look nice, IOS is convenient and clean. All my life I've used not too expensive android phones and I've also had a Microsoft windows phone. I've never owned any ... | 0jcis | 6 | 6 | [
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CMV: Apple iPhones seem better than androids.
iPhone smartphones seem a lot better to me. I don't know anything how good is the iPhone X and stuff, but from my experience I think they're well built, they look nice, IOS is convenient and clean. All my life I've used not too expensive android phones and I've also had a... | Comparing mid range Android phones to Apple is really apples and oranges, both in terms of price and in quality/features. Especially, budget/midrange Samsung and LG phones from a few years ago. Fingerprint readers are basically standard, and metal or glass build is pretty much universal on every phone.over $200 bucks... | You admitted it yourself. You said your android phones have been cheap. iPhones are actually quality phones, because they aren't cheap. Ever try an expensive Samsung?
My first smartphone was an apple, because that's what I knew most about.
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iPhone smartphones seem a lot better to me. I don't know anything how good is the iPhone X and stuff, but from my experience I think they're well built, they look nice, IOS is convenient and clean. All my life I've used not too expensive android phones and I've also had a... | * No filesystem access
Big pain for people who carry around their music libraries on portable media players (phones with DACs). Big pain for developers.
* No debugging of an app unless iPhone hijacked to a Mac
Massive pain for developers.
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I guess it only matters if you're used to it, ... | You admitted it yourself. You said your android phones have been cheap. iPhones are actually quality phones, because they aren't cheap. Ever try an expensive Samsung?
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CMV: People should not confide in friends for their mental health solutions.
Edit: I more so mean if an \*acquaintance\* whom I've \*never told I was comfortable with them bringing up a serious and possibly triggering topic for me\* suddenly begins talking about \*a very serious mental issue at an escalated level\*, I... | I don't believe someone should hold their friends "responsible" for their mental health, but taking that statement to the extreme of "don't communicate your mental health challenges to your friends" doesn't line up for me.
Denying the interdependence we have with our social sphere is just the sort of thing that can br... | Everything is related to mental health. We wouldn't be able to have any conversations at all with our friends if this was our rule.
I think the main thing you're pointing out here that I agree with is the way this sort of thing can create a bad power dynamic (usually accidentally). But this can be mitigated with com... | gepgje | CMV: People should not confide in friends for their mental health solutions. | Edit: I more so mean if an \*acquaintance\* whom I've \*never told I was comfortable with them bringing up a serious and possibly triggering topic for me\* suddenly begins talking about \*a very serious mental issue at an escalated level\*, I don't think that should be my own responsibility. It would be different if yo... | 00evilhag | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I don't care what Elon Musk believes, as long as technological advancements continue
Okie doke, so this is my first CMV, so I'm just spitballing how this works rn.
In any other case, I'm utterly indifferent to Elon Musk's political beliefs. I only care about any scientific/technological advancements he spe... | Ok?
Technological advancements like the single-car, short... tunnel?
What view do you want changed? You want us to convince you to care what he thinks? I don't care what he thinks; he's an odious piece of shit.
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CMV: There is no reason to pursue a career
I am a seventeen-year-old male and I don't think there is any reason to get a job or pursue a career. This is for three reasons.
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Living on welfare is tough. It means spen... | You are a lazy person who doesn't want to do anything to make yourself into a more productive person.
The far majority of woman don't find that attractive. Most women I know find that unattractive as they would be the one supporting you.
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I am a seventeen-year-old male and I don't think there is any reason to get a job or pursue a career. This is for three reasons.
The first is that it won't give me anything I desire. I am perfectly fine living on almost nothing. I did a calculation of my future costs and fo... | You are a lazy person who doesn't want to do anything to make yourself into a more productive person.
The far majority of woman don't find that attractive. Most women I know find that unattractive as they would be the one supporting you.
And if they do date you, they will leave you at the first chance they can get.... | When you're living in poverty you won't be able to afford really anything besides living. You will have a hard time affording housing, much less decent internet nor a good computer to play games. If you get into debt, which is likely as a poor person, you can be stuck with garnished wages, and even possession of pers... | 5ukljk | CMV: There is no reason to pursue a career | I am a seventeen-year-old male and I don't think there is any reason to get a job or pursue a career. This is for three reasons.
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CMV:blm doesnt actually care about black lives
as the black lives matter "protests" continue you constantly see that its mostly white people fighting for things a majority of black people dont even agree with or things that dont help them a few examples include
defunding the police - yet 80% of black people want the... | > the dismantling of the nuclear family is also mentioned on the blm website but multiple studies point thr high rate of crime among the black community to the single parent housholds the blm encourages
Can you expand what you mean by this? Are you saying BLM favors the dismantling the nuclear family? Can I have a so... | You make some pretty big claims that aren't supported.
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which ones id be happy to get your sources
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>the "protests" have killed more unarmed black people then the police have this year
And includes deaths like
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as the black lives matter "protests" continue you constantly see that its mostly white people fighting for things a majority of black people dont even agree with or things that dont help them a few examples include
defunding the police - yet 80% of black people want the... | > all in all i personally think the blm movement is a terrorist orginasation that has done more harm then good to the black community
BLM isn't an organization, it's a movement. It doesn't have a centralized structure of any kind or a managing body. It doesn't have a charter or a unified platform. Saying that BLM d... | >defunding the police - yet 80% of black people want the same or more policing in there neighborhoods
These seemingly contradictory statements actually underly far more complex feelings, if you look at them in detail.
https://www.vox.com/2020/6/17/21292046/black-people-abolish-defund-dismantle-police-george-floyd-bre... | its3xc | CMV:blm doesnt actually care about black lives | as the black lives matter "protests" continue you constantly see that its mostly white people fighting for things a majority of black people dont even agree with or things that dont help them a few examples include
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CMV: Shouldn't we stop saying that gender is a social construct?
Let me preface this by saying that I have multiple trans/queer* friends and I totally respect however they choose to identify. I was even what people would call a social justice warrior for a very long time. I still think I am, but am not so quick to tak... | > if we mean to devalue the contemporaneous relative cultural value of gender by reducing it to nothing more than a "social construct", then why do we place so much emphasis on expressing the gender we identify with?
Saying gender is a social construct is an objective fact, based on the contemporary definition of gend... | Gender being a social construct does not mean it is arbitrary. Money, government, jobs, language, and culture are all social constructs, but would you call them arbitrary? The reason these concepts as well as gender exist is because they are social functions of human behavior.
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CMV: All of the current Cryptocurrencies will fail
As long as people can "invest" in crypto and make huge gains, they'll have more incentive not to spend it on actual goods.
The technology needed to use it is way too complicated for the average person.
If you lose your password, you lose all your money. Having somet... | What does success look like? Current cryptocurrency isn't useful for day to day use, but neither are gold bullion or baseball cards. Bitcoin is already a much better investment than beanie babies ever were.
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There is zero fundamental reason for using cryptocurrency to be any more complicated than using a debit card.
> If you lose your password, you lose all your money
If you lose dollars, they are gone. You can go to a bank and have the ba... | l82rwh | CMV: All of the current Cryptocurrencies will fail | As long as people can "invest" in crypto and make huge gains, they'll have more incentive not to spend it on actual goods.
The technology needed to use it is way too complicated for the average person.
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CMV: Entitled consumers are significantly at fault for high house prices.
My wife and I live in a 500 sq ft. house on a 1/2 lot. It was affordable with around median household income. If we have more than 1 kid, we could get a camper or build a small ADU. Maybe even go nuts and move to a 2 bedroom place. We also looke... | Your argument presents several flaws.
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3500 sq feet in 25 miles outside of Dallas can cost you.
$3500 square feet in Manhattan Beach will cost you $7.3 million.
It’s not the size of the house people want. Where people want to live and the local governments who take deals under the table to approve certain kinds of projects (gentrificatio... | 17urani | CMV: Entitled consumers are significantly at fault for high house prices. | My wife and I live in a 500 sq ft. house on a 1/2 lot. It was affordable with around median household income. If we have more than 1 kid, we could get a camper or build a small ADU. Maybe even go nuts and move to a 2 bedroom place. We also looked hard at new construction on a lot. It was also pretty affordable *if* don... | No_Jackfruit7481 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Genders are not unequal in the U.S., as much as they are "different"
This is something that came up in a long conversation with my fiancé and I recently, who is a very strong feminist. Her view is that genders are unequal in the U.S., and that men have more rights than women in the U.S. From her perspective, the ... | I get what you're saying, but your assertions regarding improvements that can be made to the social equality of men and women (while both valid) are a false equivalency.
Sticking with your employment comparison, as a man who was only able to take a week off work after the birth of his daughter, I am acutely aware of... | The goal of feminism is to end gender inequality in society for both men and women. Don't believe me? [Here is a massive compilation of feminist resources about fighting for Men's Rights] (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/3syhda/a_list_of_feminist_resources_tackling_mens_issues/). Feminists have made se... | 6ksyh6 | CMV: Genders are not unequal in the U.S., as much as they are "different" | This is something that came up in a long conversation with my fiancé and I recently, who is a very strong feminist. Her view is that genders are unequal in the U.S., and that men have more rights than women in the U.S. From her perspective, the current gender equality/feminist movement is trying to bring women in equal... | Rizo24 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Genders are not unequal in the U.S., as much as they are "different"
This is something that came up in a long conversation with my fiancé and I recently, who is a very strong feminist. Her view is that genders are unequal in the U.S., and that men have more rights than women in the U.S. From her perspective, the ... | I get what you're saying, but your assertions regarding improvements that can be made to the social equality of men and women (while both valid) are a false equivalency.
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CMV: The left should oppose anonymous voting seeing that it gives rise to conservatism
If you go to places like 4chan or Gab they're mostly filled with malicious users who advocate radical conservative viewpoints, and places like Twitter and Reddit where there is at least some sense of identity, people seems to be mor... | How do you know that causality goes that way, that it's the anonymity that makes people conservative and not conservatives being attracted to spaces where they can't be identified?
>I think that the only reason as to why Trump won is because people who voted for him (and would vote for him) only do so because they can... | When you say anonymous voting, what exactly do you mean? Because you don't vote anonymously. All of your information is known when you go voting, how you voted is not known though. But this doesn't mean that you're voting anonymously.
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I mean it exactly as in whoever you voted for can be attributed to you not j... | itsb7n | CMV: The left should oppose anonymous voting seeing that it gives rise to conservatism | If you go to places like 4chan or Gab they're mostly filled with malicious users who advocate radical conservative viewpoints, and places like Twitter and Reddit where there is at least some sense of identity, people seems to be more responsible on what they say resulting in what I would say as ranging from moderately ... | pritejieken | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The left should oppose anonymous voting seeing that it gives rise to conservatism
If you go to places like 4chan or Gab they're mostly filled with malicious users who advocate radical conservative viewpoints, and places like Twitter and Reddit where there is at least some sense of identity, people seems to be mor... | But at that point, why have voting at all? The whole point is to give people the feeling that their wishes matter, to legitimize the governments power that way. If you want to replace that with peer pressure, you take away that feeling, that legitimization, then you could just give up the vote entirely.
---
!delta
T... | So what are we talking about here? A database of everyones vote?
We already have anonymous voting and liberals are still around in solid numbers?
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But anonymity is a conservative edge; does the left wants to fight a close fight or to win?
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It also gives me anonymity. I live in a super conservative town, work... | itsb7n | CMV: The left should oppose anonymous voting seeing that it gives rise to conservatism | If you go to places like 4chan or Gab they're mostly filled with malicious users who advocate radical conservative viewpoints, and places like Twitter and Reddit where there is at least some sense of identity, people seems to be more responsible on what they say resulting in what I would say as ranging from moderately ... | pritejieken | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Pepe is not a racist symbol. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a fundamental misunderstanding of how memes work.
Memes are nebulous by nature and cannot be labeled and defined in conventional ways. A meme is like a cloud in the sky. You cannot insist that a cloud looks exactly like "x" when a different person may p... | That argument SHOULD convince you, honestly. A meme, like any other form of communication or media, conveys a particular message. The words you choose to use when you speak are only effective if the person who is hearing them interprets them to mean the same thing that you intended. The same is true of a visual symbol... | >Once again, you're attempting to compare an actual organized group of people, an actual historical event, to some nebulous, formless concept floating through the ether used in thousands of different contexts, in thousands of different iterations, 99.9% of which aren't racist
So if a more organized group used Pepe as ... | 6arv0t | CMV: Pepe is not a racist symbol. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a fundamental misunderstanding of how memes work. | Memes are nebulous by nature and cannot be labeled and defined in conventional ways. A meme is like a cloud in the sky. You cannot insist that a cloud looks exactly like "x" when a different person may perceive something different depending on what angle they are viewing the cloud and the fact that the cloud will chang... | SlarSlar | 3 | 3 | [
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Memes are nebulous by nature and cannot be labeled and defined in conventional ways. A meme is like a cloud in the sky. You cannot insist that a cloud looks exactly like "x" when a different person may p... | >Once again, you're attempting to compare an actual organized group of people, an actual historical event, to some nebulous, formless concept floating through the ether used in thousands of different contexts, in thousands of different iterations, 99.9% of which aren't racist
So if a more organized group used Pepe as ... | That argument SHOULD convince you, honestly. A meme, like any other form of communication or media, conveys a particular message. The words you choose to use when you speak are only effective if the person who is hearing them interprets them to mean the same thing that you intended. The same is true of a visual symbol... | 6arv0t | CMV: Pepe is not a racist symbol. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a fundamental misunderstanding of how memes work. | Memes are nebulous by nature and cannot be labeled and defined in conventional ways. A meme is like a cloud in the sky. You cannot insist that a cloud looks exactly like "x" when a different person may perceive something different depending on what angle they are viewing the cloud and the fact that the cloud will chang... | SlarSlar | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I see no problem with children going no contact with me, and that should be the norm
I read people today talking about no contact with their parents as if it was a bad thing and I didn't get it..My kid is 8 now, and why would she want to hang out after she is an adult? Who wants that? She will make her own relati... | What? So once your daughter is adult you’re just never gonna speak to her again? 😭
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I don't see why. We don't really share anything in common
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This take is genuinely hurting my brain, maybe the 18 years of living together? Maybe being there for their formation of self? If you genuinely don’t have anything co... | There's a difference between 'my child doesn't want to hang out with her parents after being an adult' and 'my child refuses to talk to me at all'.
No contact means you aren't friends on facebook, you don't call to talk once a month, you don't go to their house for Christmas or send cards. If your child intentionally ... | 17uqy8u | CMV: I see no problem with children going no contact with me, and that should be the norm | I read people today talking about no contact with their parents as if it was a bad thing and I didn't get it..My kid is 8 now, and why would she want to hang out after she is an adult? Who wants that? She will make her own relationships with people she chooses to associate with. Having to spend a lifetime associating w... | MysticInept | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV That in wartime, in very specific circumstances, bombing a civilian population is justifiable.
Ugh, I honestly dont even like having this opinion to be honest. Which is why I made sure to make it clear that it is in very specific circumstances.
I believe that bombings (and bombings only) while morally reprehensi... | So is the bombing of Ottawa citizens an attempt to win the war?
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Not only to win the war, but to demoralize the population from continuing the war.
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The problem is this doesn't work - at all. Germany tried it on Britain; it didn't work. Britain and the US tried it on Germany, it didn't work. Populations ... | Why is it okay to bomb anyone ever? What conflict is worth murdering thousands of people to settle?
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One in which it would be unavoidable and there needs to be an end to a war.
Unfortunately under the "he started it" idea.
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What do you mean it "would be unavoidable and there needs to be an end to a war." ? | b8clky | CMV That in wartime, in very specific circumstances, bombing a civilian population is justifiable. | Ugh, I honestly dont even like having this opinion to be honest. Which is why I made sure to make it clear that it is in very specific circumstances.
I believe that bombings (and bombings only) while morally reprehensible can be justified in a war. I base my example on the theory of collective responsibility.
So th... | numbers17 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trying to prevent small languages from dying is pointless.
I don't have a lot to talk about it, but I could resume to "why do you have to speak a tiny language that only a few people in your country's countryside speak if you can speak a more important language?". The main flaw is that the languages need to be sp... | I can’t quite understand your view. I think it’s one of these two things, please clarify:
1) Do you think that linguistic diversity is unimportant?
There’s no need for more languages?
2) Do you think that preserving languages is futile?
There is no practical way to preserve dying languages?
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> 2) Do you think... | What makes you the gatekeeper of what does/doesn't have a point? Plenty of people think the arts are pointless, while others think that art is a noble pursuit.
The reality is that a lot of language is heavily linked to culture, and people trying to preserve their culture seems like a pretty okay thing to me. There are... | 6ar02b | CMV: Trying to prevent small languages from dying is pointless. | I don't have a lot to talk about it, but I could resume to "why do you have to speak a tiny language that only a few people in your country's countryside speak if you can speak a more important language?". The main flaw is that the languages need to be spoken on a daily basis to be alive. Now, I'll explain with more de... | garaile64 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Human Consciousness Should Be Eradicated
Semi-earnest opinion mostly posted for thought experimentation.
* - Due to the mechanical makeup of the human mind human beings will, regardless of any feasible circumstance, suffer far more pain than it will find pleasure.
Births
———
1) It is immoral to create beings... | You premise that humans are primarily suffering is flawed. If you constantly suffer, please seek professional help.
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Nuh uh. My premise is observably self-evident.
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I personally feel that my life is pretty good and that I experience more pleasure than pain. Sounds like your whole thesis just fell apart!
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... | Please explain how the mechanical makeup of the human mind makes human beings will suffer far more pain than pleasure.
Also, if you believe this, why aren't you dead?
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Our survival is contingent on actions that bolster said survival against a world that is arrayed toward bringing us to the condition of death. Not... | 17uiqjn | CMV: Human Consciousness Should Be Eradicated |
Semi-earnest opinion mostly posted for thought experimentation.
* - Due to the mechanical makeup of the human mind human beings will, regardless of any feasible circumstance, suffer far more pain than it will find pleasure.
Births
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1) It is immoral to create beings that will primarily suffer.
2) Any newly crea... | Azathothism | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: In certain forms of motorsport, the competition isn't to see who has the best driver, but to see who has the most money, best car, best pit crew and the best tuners.
These motorsports aren't very technical. Drag racing and land speed racing is go in a straight line as fast as you can. It's when motorsports start ... | Drag racing isn't as simple as you make it out to be. If you knew much about drag racing you'd know there are classes to keep competitors on an even playing field. If you bring out your stock mustang, you can drag race against another stock mustang. Or you can invest to make your mustang faster, and race against faste... | I think you'll find the team with the best everything also has the best drivers, but that's because it's a team sport. Everyone has a role to play, the driver is just the most visible member because he is the final link in a long chain.
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!delta I could definitely see that with Formula One, maybe can see it with Mo... | l7vkd3 | CMV: In certain forms of motorsport, the competition isn't to see who has the best driver, but to see who has the most money, best car, best pit crew and the best tuners. | These motorsports aren't very technical. Drag racing and land speed racing is go in a straight line as fast as you can. It's when motorsports start to have corners in them that the required skill to compete becomes higher. At least in drifting, autocross, rally and endurance racing, there's a big skill component that p... | overhardeggs | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I cannot understand in modern times how America is supposed to be a "Christian nation".
Hi there. I remember some times in the past certain people would argue that the reason why America and the rest of the West are so successful is due to a combination of "Enlightenment ideas and principles" and "Biblical or jud... | The people who say that the US is a Christian nation don't mean that it's a Christian theocracy, per se. What they mean is that the US was founded by Christians for Christians and with "Christian ideals." Christianity is also the religion with the most amount of followers in the country. So what they mean is that becau... | >"Biblical or judeo-christian ideals"
A bit of an aside but I have never heard a definition of this term except for "that thing muslims dont have and therefore they are bad".
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And occasionally when someone says something like "the ten commandments" they just completely ignore how like half the ten commandments ar... | qcykfz | CMV: I cannot understand in modern times how America is supposed to be a "Christian nation". | Hi there. I remember some times in the past certain people would argue that the reason why America and the rest of the West are so successful is due to a combination of "Enlightenment ideas and principles" and "Biblical or judeo-christian ideals". In terms of the Enlightenment, it makes sense that the reason of people ... | [deleted] | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Cyberbullying Would Not Be Considered a Problem If Our Society Had The Right Attitude Towards It.
I believe the way our society is treating cyberbullying is exaggerated.
So, first I want to define my concepts:
- Bullying: Bullying is when an individual purposefully does harm to another individual’s character ph... | It is not true that there is a distinction between cyberbullying and bullying. There is an escape route for bullying too - walk away from that person or ignore them.
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No because bullying is physical. You tell me how you’re supposed to walk away when a group of teens 10 years older than you comes to you and harasse... | >Students are taught they have to feel bad if someone messages them that they’re ugly.
What makes you think this is true? Can you link us to an example of someone teaching children this?
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My school...
And even if it weren’t true, it is a problem that students feel bad because someone tells them they’re ugly. The... | 7l3lzw | CMV: Cyberbullying Would Not Be Considered a Problem If Our Society Had The Right Attitude Towards It. | I believe the way our society is treating cyberbullying is exaggerated.
So, first I want to define my concepts:
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CMV: Cyberbullying Would Not Be Considered a Problem If Our Society Had The Right Attitude Towards It.
I believe the way our society is treating cyberbullying is exaggerated.
So, first I want to define my concepts:
- Bullying: Bullying is when an individual purposefully does harm to another individual’s character ph... | > Cyberbullying: This is when an individual uses the cyberspace to verbally harm someone’s character in an intentional manner. You can ignore it, you can walk away. You do have an escape route.
>Cyberbullying is so easy to stop— ignore it. It’s so simple, yet our society believes we must treat it like another form of ... | It is not true that there is a distinction between cyberbullying and bullying. There is an escape route for bullying too - walk away from that person or ignore them.
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No because bullying is physical. You tell me how you’re supposed to walk away when a group of teens 10 years older than you comes to you and harasse... | 7l3lzw | CMV: Cyberbullying Would Not Be Considered a Problem If Our Society Had The Right Attitude Towards It. | I believe the way our society is treating cyberbullying is exaggerated.
So, first I want to define my concepts:
- Bullying: Bullying is when an individual purposefully does harm to another individual’s character physically. The main characteristic of Bullying is that you’re stuck with it. You can’t ignore it, you can... | Thinking_King | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The law code should be no more complex than what can be taught to children.
The reason for this comes down to this simple explanation: **You can't play the game if you don't know the rules.** If you try, the rules become "do whatever you want, and don't talk to authorities". By the time you are an adult, you are ... | Maybe justice is more complicated than what children are capable of understanding.
If philosophers and jurists have spent centuries debating a system of laws that is fair and more or less workable, then it is likely that such a system is quite complex. I am in favor of simplifying laws but I think there is probably a... | Could you give an example of a law that is more complex than it needs to be?
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I could, but the main issue is not any particular law. It's the inherent complexity of the overall system due to the number of laws. I am not complaining about any one law in particular.
---
I believe the reason that /u/jaysank is aski... | 7l1jsr | CMV: The law code should be no more complex than what can be taught to children. | The reason for this comes down to this simple explanation: **You can't play the game if you don't know the rules.** If you try, the rules become "do whatever you want, and don't talk to authorities". By the time you are an adult, you are expected to play the game.
I don't believe it's any coincidence that the countrie... | das_american | 6 | 6 | [
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CMV: The law code should be no more complex than what can be taught to children.
The reason for this comes down to this simple explanation: **You can't play the game if you don't know the rules.** If you try, the rules become "do whatever you want, and don't talk to authorities". By the time you are an adult, you are ... | Most laws that apply to everyday life are simple: you can't steal anything, you must use roads in accordance with signs, you're not allowed to own a mostly clear list of objects and substances that you can easily get, etc. I agree that this isn't currently perfect, but I think such law already tries to be simple.
More... | Could you give an example of a law that is more complex than it needs to be?
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I could, but the main issue is not any particular law. It's the inherent complexity of the overall system due to the number of laws. I am not complaining about any one law in particular.
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I believe the reason that /u/jaysank is aski... | 7l1jsr | CMV: The law code should be no more complex than what can be taught to children. | The reason for this comes down to this simple explanation: **You can't play the game if you don't know the rules.** If you try, the rules become "do whatever you want, and don't talk to authorities". By the time you are an adult, you are expected to play the game.
I don't believe it's any coincidence that the countrie... | das_american | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The transatlantic slave trade was used by African nations to successfully colonize the world.
Lacking the maritime technology to populate the world directly, African populations used another tactic, perhaps far more clever. They captured and sold close genetic relatives to those with superior seafaring technology... | Africans had already colonized the world before they were enslaved. White Europeans are from Africa too
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>Africans enslaved one another before we colonized the world.
The point of this statement is totally meaningless. You're applying a monolithic racial construct that simply wasn't meaningful to ... | >Africa will likely dominate the 22nd century, both through shear numbers and by having already established substantial social and economic footholds in Europe and the Americas.
What benefit do those "footholds" give African nations? Black Americans aren't sending money or education "back" to Africa. And the cultures ... | b8bv2d | CMV: The transatlantic slave trade was used by African nations to successfully colonize the world. | Lacking the maritime technology to populate the world directly, African populations used another tactic, perhaps far more clever. They captured and sold close genetic relatives to those with superior seafaring technology, thus cementing populations in myriad lands around the world.
While it seems as if European trade... | sweetkelshawn | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The left needs to tone down the vitriol against JK Rowling because there are bigger threats to LGBTs.
JK Rowling has been under fire for things like saying "women who menstruate" to exclude transwomen and opposing transwomen from using female bathrooms. As a staunch supporter of LGBT rights, I would say that this... | Well for starters, we can do two things.
More dear to my heart is the fact that what she says isn't just academic. It hurts people. I have a nonbinary teenage foster kid who grew up reading Harry potter, and he gets legitimately depressed every time Rowling opens her bigot mouth in order to slander transgender individ... | Out of curiosity, can't both be done in parallel? I don't think these two tasks can't be done simultaneously. Like, I can criticize JK Rowling on her transphobic messages and also can points out what the right has done wrong at the same time?
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>Out of curiosity, can't both be done in parallel? I don't think these ... | itoqz1 | CMV: The left needs to tone down the vitriol against JK Rowling because there are bigger threats to LGBTs. | JK Rowling has been under fire for things like saying "women who menstruate" to exclude transwomen and opposing transwomen from using female bathrooms. As a staunch supporter of LGBT rights, I would say that this is transphobic, but there are bigger threats to LGBTs. On top of that, JK Rowling gives away much of her fo... | Real_Carl_Ramirez | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: if the LAPD intentionally killed Christopher Dorner, I don’t mind because he had it coming.
As much as crazy online people like to lionize him as a folk hero, there is nothing heroic about this guy. Sure not all cops are bad and he used to be a good cop, but while he had genuine grievances, his approach to them w... | This mentality led to them shooting up a truck that just had innocent women in kt
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I agree that those cops were idiots and should be fired, but I won’t mourn Dorner anyway because I still remember he killed an innocent woman and her boyfriend.
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What's the acceptable ratio of innocent people killed versus guil... | “Stopped the wrong cars” is a significant understatement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt#Police_shooting_of_unrelated_civilians
I think you’re glossing over the part of this case that illustrates why it’s a bad idea for intentional killing to be an acceptable part of a manhunt.
... | 1mwzuct | CMV: if the LAPD intentionally killed Christopher Dorner, I don’t mind because he had it coming. | As much as crazy online people like to lionize him as a folk hero, there is nothing heroic about this guy. Sure not all cops are bad and he used to be a good cop, but while he had genuine grievances, his approach to them was psychotic. I mean, who the hell murders an innocent couple about to get married simply because ... | Hero-Firefighter-24 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Most, If Not All, Major Proposed Gun Control Measures in the United States Will Have No Discernible Impact on Crime, and Will Most Likely Do More Harm Than Good
In 2018, there were[ nearly 40,000](http://time.com/5479993/gun-deaths-us-cdc/) gun deaths in the United States each year. Given this, it is not surpris... |
I think the biggest weak points of your argument are your objections to hold periods and background checks. For the hold period, it is just really counterintuitive that we should be more concerned about not being able to defend ourselves during a relatively small window of time (the hold period) than we are concerne... | That’s a wall of text. OP, what would it take to change your view?
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Sorry for the long post haha. I am specifically looking for differing views on any of the gun control legislation proposals listed towards the bottom.
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Despite disagreeing with you, you've given me a lot of new sources to consider. Thank you... | b8adck | CMV: Most, If Not All, Major Proposed Gun Control Measures in the United States Will Have No Discernible Impact on Crime, and Will Most Likely Do More Harm Than Good | In 2018, there were[ nearly 40,000](http://time.com/5479993/gun-deaths-us-cdc/) gun deaths in the United States each year. Given this, it is not surprising that[ over 50% of those under 18 and about 1/3 people from the age of 18-24 cite gun violence as their most worrying fear](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018... | tempacct13245768 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Coal is a dying industry that cannot return to its "glory days" due to the expansion of the renewable energy market.
So pretty much exactly like the title says. I think Trump uses coal jobs as a dog whistle to sell a pipe dream to the out of work coal industry. If I was a city or major investor looking to create ... | > but one of which would be obsolete in 5 years... there is no way to justify such a bad investment.
Can you clarify what you mean by this? Coal power plants are generally assumed to have a lifespan of 30 years, and the average age for a coal plant in the US right now is [45 years](http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/s... | The question of returning to glory days and where you should invest are not likely related. The question of coal is whether it is currently _undervalued_ relative to where it might go. This doesn't mean a future return to glory days, but a lift up from the shitter its been in that saw nothing but continued decline.
... | 63mnmp | CMV: Coal is a dying industry that cannot return to its "glory days" due to the expansion of the renewable energy market. | So pretty much exactly like the title says. I think Trump uses coal jobs as a dog whistle to sell a pipe dream to the out of work coal industry. If I was a city or major investor looking to create an energy plant and received two plant proposals (renewable vs coal), both costing millions of dollars to start up, but one... | humdinger44 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Proprietary Software Is Morally Unjust
Now I know that this is a topic that many in this subreddit are unaware of so let me take the time to clarify what I am referring to.
Software is a collection of commands used to execute a task on a computer (tablet, phone, laptop). Software is often compiled or interpreted... | > Those who are against proprietary software argue that the use or proprietary software infringes on the civil liberties of software users
You haven't explained your own view. On what grounds are you claiming it is morally unjust?
If I write and sell a video game, what civil liberties of my users have been subjugate... | The GNU philosophy of what is morally wrong centers around freedoms. For example, the freedom to change a program. And it supposes that proprietary software takes away those freedoms and so a freedom that is denied is morally wrong. While I mostly agree with this and mostly use free software myself, there is a pretty b... | 6anptg | CMV: Proprietary Software Is Morally Unjust | Now I know that this is a topic that many in this subreddit are unaware of so let me take the time to clarify what I am referring to.
Software is a collection of commands used to execute a task on a computer (tablet, phone, laptop). Software is often compiled or interpreted from source code.
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CMV: Proprietary Software Is Morally Unjust
Now I know that this is a topic that many in this subreddit are unaware of so let me take the time to clarify what I am referring to.
Software is a collection of commands used to execute a task on a computer (tablet, phone, laptop). Software is often compiled or interpreted... | Human beings should be allowed to enter into contracts with one another. Consenting adults should be allowed to have sex with one another, business people should be allowed to enter into business partnerships together, etc. If a developer creates proprietary software, and the user agrees to the terms and conditions tha... | The GNU philosophy of what is morally wrong centers around freedoms. For example, the freedom to change a program. And it supposes that proprietary software takes away those freedoms and so a freedom that is denied is morally wrong. While I mostly agree with this and mostly use free software myself, there is a pretty b... | 6anptg | CMV: Proprietary Software Is Morally Unjust | Now I know that this is a topic that many in this subreddit are unaware of so let me take the time to clarify what I am referring to.
Software is a collection of commands used to execute a task on a computer (tablet, phone, laptop). Software is often compiled or interpreted from source code.
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CMV Diversity in movies shouldn't be a reason why the movie is good.
<<<Spoilers for Force Awakens and kind of Moana>>>
This stems from recent calls for diversity in movies. I love diversity, everyone should be represented no matter what race/religion or sexuality, but when critics recommend films based on diversity. ... | Let me touch back on this topic because I believe now I completely disagree with myself. I don't know if it was because i wrote this at like 1 am or if i genuinely changed my mind. You can't get open to a topic like racism without diversity. Otherwise it would be hypocritical and not taken seriously. Diversity opens a ... | I agree with your point out that Moana was not the first ethnic minoroty princess in a long time. Tiana in Princess and the Frog came out 8 years ago.
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Your forgetting about either frozen, tangled or brave. But yea I forgot about princess in the frog. Thanks for reminding me | 6klqbv | CMV Diversity in movies shouldn't be a reason why the movie is good. | <<<Spoilers for Force Awakens and kind of Moana>>>
This stems from recent calls for diversity in movies. I love diversity, everyone should be represented no matter what race/religion or sexuality, but when critics recommend films based on diversity. Or tumblr encourages people to go to movies because it is diverse, is ... | EverlastingInferno | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: The US selling of arms to other countries is wrong
The US selling of arms to other countries is wrong and bad in general for the following reasons:
-It promotes war; The US actually donates weapons to some places. By being the #1 supplier of weapons, the US effectively is the number one endorser of war.
-It des... | > -It promotes war; The US actually donates weapons to some places. By being the #1 supplier of weapons, the US effectively is the number one endorser of war.
Why is this inherently wrong?
> -It destabilizes regions: The US funneling weapons to syria is one of the reasons that it is in such a shithole. Moreover, it i... | Doesn't it give us a sand-box to test our equipment in real-life settings?
Is this not worth it *to us*?
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I'm talking about this in a larger perspective. Not from the US exclusively. From a global perspective.
So no, it's not worth it. War doesn't help anyone but those who sell the weapons
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Is it not a be... | 63gev4 | CMV: The US selling of arms to other countries is wrong | The US selling of arms to other countries is wrong and bad in general for the following reasons:
-It promotes war; The US actually donates weapons to some places. By being the #1 supplier of weapons, the US effectively is the number one endorser of war.
-It destabilizes regions: The US funneling weapons to syria is o... | mrfe333 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Children should never be sentenced as adults or in adult courts
My view is simple; adults and children are fundamentally different and therefore it makes no sense to have a child be treated in the same way as an adult. By sentencing a child in adult court, the differences between adults and children and being ign... | There is an immediate problem with this, one that you acknowledge.
How do you decide when you stop being a child and become an adult? Are there 16 year olds that are mature enough to act like an adult? Probably. Are there 20 year olds that still act like children, lacking the mental capabilities of an adult? Possibly... | [deleted]
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Probably the age at which you say “I’m having a hard time dealing with the guilt,” going as far to speak out to , 'tell the truth about what Satanism can do.”
By sentencing the child as an adult they gave him the death penalty, something which has now been declared unconstitutional for children.
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CMV: I do not believe the current BLM demonstrations are "peaceful protests" and I think they should be ended.
Right off the bat: Police brutality is a major problem in America. Maybe the most important problem we are facing today.
BLM has lost any moral high ground they had at this point. The nightly demonstrations ... | You're falling for propaganda IMO.
A study released by [The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED)](https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/)
To quote the study directly:
> "In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movemen... | Quell riots with state violence, fine. But suppressing protest clearly violates the first amendment right?
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If all they were doing is protesting, sure. That isn't the case. If it were, there wouldn't be fires in every major city.
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Sounds like an easy way for special interests to utilize agent provocateurs to ... | itffli | CMV: I do not believe the current BLM demonstrations are "peaceful protests" and I think they should be ended. | Right off the bat: Police brutality is a major problem in America. Maybe the most important problem we are facing today.
BLM has lost any moral high ground they had at this point. The nightly demonstrations invariably turn violent, with destruction and looting and fire. They are making the police look reasonable and t... | eggo | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: LeBron James is the greatest basketball player of all time
I've been a huge fan of NBA basketball nearly all my life. While I have a team that I root for, I love watching greatness come from anyone. That being said, I feel that LeBron has to be the GOAT.
As my first point, I should acknowledge that I'm going off... | I personally think MJ is the GOAT, but he is only a hair above the most glaring omission from your post, at least in terms of stats; [Wilt Chamberlain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain).
Wilt averaged 30 ppg to LeBron's 27. And in comparison to LeBron's 7 rpg, Wilt averaged **just under 23** over his 15-... | I'd focus on MJ, of course. Agreed there.
The trump card (this expression has been RUINED) is number of championships. Every statistic is secondary to winning, and winning championships is the most important of those. They've had the same number of seasons, but Jordan has a lot more championships. Basketball is ab... | 6kondb | CMV: LeBron James is the greatest basketball player of all time | I've been a huge fan of NBA basketball nearly all my life. While I have a team that I root for, I love watching greatness come from anyone. That being said, I feel that LeBron has to be the GOAT.
As my first point, I should acknowledge that I'm going off the assumption that if LeBron isn't the GOAT, Michael Jordan is ... | foonspork | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I believe that legal equality (i.e. no legal distinction between groups) is the only form of equality worth pursuing.
There have been many attempts and "successes" in advancing so-called equality. However, I believe that many of these are anti-equality: quotas, special protections, affirmative action, etc. What m... | Just to clarify your view... Let's take, for example, a hypothetical small southern American town about a decade or two after legally giving black people the right to vote and the end of 'separate but equal' segregation. But the people in power in this town (Mayor, sheriff, lawyers...) are all still racist, so despite ... | Per your idea we are equal now.
But we certainly are not.
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We are equal in the eyes of the law - the only form equality the law should be involved with.
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Um there is a bit more to equality then just laws. I mean you say that black people should just wait till shit just gets better but they have been waiting... | 63kgx9 | CMV: I believe that legal equality (i.e. no legal distinction between groups) is the only form of equality worth pursuing. | There have been many attempts and "successes" in advancing so-called equality. However, I believe that many of these are anti-equality: quotas, special protections, affirmative action, etc. What most of these attempt to do us right *historical* wrongs - what they end up doing is punishing the children for the sins of t... | _Hopped_ | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: I find myself believing that most people are too weak or stupid to govern themselves without strong, wise leadership—and I really want to stop thinking this way
Lately I've noticed that I keep falling into a pattern of thought that really conflicts with my other values, especially around democracy, autonomy, and ... | Unfortunately there's none of those that are also good and moral people.
The fact is that the vast majority of people ARE too stupid, lazy, and complacent to govern themselves.
But of all the people who desire to rule, less than 1 in a billion is actually suited to the task without becoming an authoritarian monster... | I don't know how to dissuade you from this illusion without knowing what factors are convincing you, but look at every time in history people put an authoritrian in power, is it more efficient, or less?
Consider the shit ass central planning of the USSR; Gorbachev visited America he was in disbelief at US grocery sto... | 1lhu3qg | CMV: I find myself believing that most people are too weak or stupid to govern themselves without strong, wise leadership—and I really want to stop thinking this way | Lately I've noticed that I keep falling into a pattern of thought that really conflicts with my other values, especially around democracy, autonomy, and mutual respect. The belief—or maybe more accurately, the memeplex—is something like this:
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CMV: Abortion is always tragic, and should be rare (but still safe and legal)
My view of abortion is that it should be safe and legal but as rare as possible, as it is always tragic to lose a baby.
I have had multiple conversations with friends and family over the years, and seen dozens of posts online, about women (... | What view are you looking to have changed here? Why? What might change your mind? Do you want to not consider it tragic? Or do you want to change your mind about making it safe and legal?
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I don't think most people would care if you think it's tragic. If you want it to be safe and legal, you're on the right s... | >it is always tragic to lose a baby.
Having an abortion is not "losing a baby" though.
>isn't it natural to grieve after an abortion as well?
No? Most I know who have had abortions (that are willing to speak of it, I probably know a LOT more who are not for various reasons) describe it as being a tremendous relief.... | qcuqos | CMV: Abortion is always tragic, and should be rare (but still safe and legal) | My view of abortion is that it should be safe and legal but as rare as possible, as it is always tragic to lose a baby.
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CMV: Abortion is always tragic, and should be rare (but still safe and legal)
My view of abortion is that it should be safe and legal but as rare as possible, as it is always tragic to lose a baby.
I have had multiple conversations with friends and family over the years, and seen dozens of posts online, about women (... | What view are you looking to have changed here? Why? What might change your mind? Do you want to not consider it tragic? Or do you want to change your mind about making it safe and legal?
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I don't think most people would care if you think it's tragic. If you want it to be safe and legal, you're on the right s... | >If a fetus at 2-3 months isn't a human being deserving of love and respect and life, why do parents so often grieve after a miscarriage?
They grieve because things didn't turn out as they wanted. They grieve because they don't get to have a child when they expected to have one. This grief has nothing to do with the f... | qcuqos | CMV: Abortion is always tragic, and should be rare (but still safe and legal) | My view of abortion is that it should be safe and legal but as rare as possible, as it is always tragic to lose a baby.
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CMV: Flying any form of Confederate Battle Flag or remembering the CSA in any positive light is an incredibly seditious and unpatriotic gesture. It is glorifying the single greatest existential threat to the -United- States of America and its ideals.
I find the concept of flying any confederate battle flag or CSA nati... | Well here's the issue; we (the U.S) had slavery before the rise of the Confederacy and even after winning the Civil War (which did not *begin* about slavery but only ended as such) there were years of Jim Crow. If the whole defeating of the Confederacy was STRICTLY about ending slavery then it was accomplished But if ... | I don't think it is glorifying the Confederate States of America, endorsing slavery, etc.
I think nearly anyone flying it in 2017 is either doing so to show southern pride or simply being defiant to those who say they can't.
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I find the concept of flying any confederate battle flag or CSA nati... | A quick question. Bill Clinton's campaign for president touted a button with a Confederate battle flag for the "sons of the new south." Would you be willing to call this action by Bill Clinton seditious and unpatriotic?
From a completely abstract viewpoint, do you believe that all good and evil in the world is absolut... | Well here's the issue; we (the U.S) had slavery before the rise of the Confederacy and even after winning the Civil War (which did not *begin* about slavery but only ended as such) there were years of Jim Crow. If the whole defeating of the Confederacy was STRICTLY about ending slavery then it was accomplished But if ... | 6am4bb | CMV: Flying any form of Confederate Battle Flag or remembering the CSA in any positive light is an incredibly seditious and unpatriotic gesture. It is glorifying the single greatest existential threat to the -United- States of America and its ideals. | I find the concept of flying any confederate battle flag or CSA national flag to be not only in poor taste, but a seditious action and one of the most unpatriotic displays possible. Far worse than burning the American flag, it is glorifying the bloodiest and most existential threat the USA has ever faced, a force that ... | pickledoop | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Biden supporters are beginning on a trajectory to become as fanatical as Trump supporters.
I will be voting for Biden in November, but until a few months ago I had planned to vote for Trump. It took until his photo op at St. John's Church for me to be fully convinced that he is building a cult of personality (I'm... | [deleted]
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Actually yes it was. I wasn't quite old enough to vote in '16, but I understood politics a lot better than in 2012.
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Not the guy you replied to, but speaking in support of his statements.
I have observed this phenomena also, it happens in the lead up to every presidential election. Both sides spen... | isquel | CMV: Biden supporters are beginning on a trajectory to become as fanatical as Trump supporters. | I will be voting for Biden in November, but until a few months ago I had planned to vote for Trump. It took until his photo op at St. John's Church for me to be fully convinced that he is building a cult of personality (I'm a Christian and I couldn't stand to see my faith twisted that way). However, I've started to see... | [deleted] | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Peaceful protests against the government, like the current ones against Trump, are ineffective, alienating, and a complete waste of time
Let’s be honest. These protests aren’t doing what people hope they’re doing. Take the recent waves of protests against Donald Trump. People are out in the streets over his elect... | A single protest doesn’t lead to a movement, but movements are built on countless acts of civil resistance: protests, riots, elections, collective action, going door to door, literature, rallies. You can’t measure the weight of a single protest. It’s simply not possible.
**An important clarifying question: do you thi... | Peaceful protests do help, but not ones that inconvenience citizens just trying to get by.
Blocking highways, preventing people from getting to work on time does cause resentment. There are other ways to protest without inconveniencing the every day worker.
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CMV: Athletic/stretch leggings are NOT pants for purposes of business / work /semi formal attire.
I'm of the view that athletic leggings ARE NOT PANTS that are acceptable business /office /semi formal / work casual attire.
When I say leggings, I mean pants that are made out of stretchy material that lacks a zipper an... | I pose these three counterexamples.
[Leggings with a blazer](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/16/b2/eb/16b2ebbeba12825db2ccb180e975b5d2--work-fashion-fashion-fall.jpg).
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Let me clarify. I mean when they're worn *a... | 6kohjf | CMV: Athletic/stretch leggings are NOT pants for purposes of business / work /semi formal attire. | I'm of the view that athletic leggings ARE NOT PANTS that are acceptable business /office /semi formal / work casual attire.
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CMV: Fat Acceptance/ Body Positivity although it sounds great in theory is in fact a negative movement in the long run.
Now, let me get this out of the way. In theory the values FA, espouses such as respecting fat People and being yourself sounds great. But there are many problems I have with this movement. This is co... | Body positivity isn't about denying that there are health risks involved with obesity, it's about the fact that fat people are treated negatively. Fat people know that they are fat. Being constantly reminded of this fact is not going to combat this. In fact, it can lead to further self-destructive behaviours due to emo... | Here's a number of things to consider:
1. We tend to lump overweight and obesity in one category, but people who are overweight by BMI are as healthy as those in the normal category yet get discriminated against.
2. BMI is a meaningless number for many reasons and so "obese" (or fat) as a category doesn't really me... | 6kpjqb | CMV: Fat Acceptance/ Body Positivity although it sounds great in theory is in fact a negative movement in the long run. | Now, let me get this out of the way. In theory the values FA, espouses such as respecting fat People and being yourself sounds great. But there are many problems I have with this movement. This is coming from a teenager on the "heavier" side. So don't take this as belittling. I'm on the same boat.
1. Health Problems:... | mcgrathc09 | 19 | 17 | [
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CMV: we should have a permanent colony either completely underwater or in the middle of Antarctica before colonizing the moon
this way we would have experience with the loisitcal difficulties of having a colony in a hard to reach place that is very hard for normal humans to live in and hard to reach. yes i know the i... | Idk about Antarctica, but we actually got to the moon decades before we got to “the bottom of the ocean”. This suggests that lunar expiration may be easier than oceanic colonization. Also all the challenges seem backwards, so I don’t know how much colonizing the ocean floor will help with the moon. On the moon you only... | If we colonize the moon through robots rather than people, would the antarctic portion still be necessary?
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what's to test for, if they are robots with simple requirements? | 8r55oq | CMV: we should have a permanent colony either completely underwater or in the middle of Antarctica before colonizing the moon |
this way we would have experience with the loisitcal difficulties of having a colony in a hard to reach place that is very hard for normal humans to live in and hard to reach. yes i know the international space station exists but that isnt self sustaining yet, and as such is more of a space pit stop at this point.
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CMV: Anything below 24K gold is not "real" gold
I want you to change my mind on this. It could potentially save me a lot of money. This post is in the context of jewelry....
In my mind, any gold below 24K (100% purity) is not real gold. It is diluted and watered down, and it almost feels "phony" or cheap to ... | >In my mind, any gold below 24K (100% purity) is not real gold. It is diluted and watered down, and it almost feels "phony" or cheap to me.
Why? You're spending more money when no one looking at it could tell, right? I mean, sure, I could perform a purity test on it to prove it's real gold, but I'm not going to do tha... | its all real gold. if you melt down any karrot of gold and separate it you will have a pile of real gold. it may have other stuff with it, but there is still real gold there, and that’s enough for most people
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CMV: even if you're allowed to kill someone, legally speaking, you shouldn't use it as a first resort
I've seen countless videos of people neutralizing intruders, etc. - we've all seen those videos - and, I've always wondered how necessary it is, and at the same time, whether or not neutralizing an intruder or aggress... | I mean morally it would be preferable to somehow use less force if that is possible.
But almost everywhere the only times you'd be allowed to use lethal force is exactly because it is necessary to avoid risk of death for yourself or others.
If someone breaks in and points a gun at me but seems nervous, well I might g... | Suppose you're a woman living alone and a strange man breaks your window and enters your bedroom. At what point, would you be justified in using a gun.
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>Suppose you're a woman living alone and a man breaks your window and enters your bedroom. At what point, would you be justified in using a gun.
If someone break... | 17twggj | CMV: even if you're allowed to kill someone, legally speaking, you shouldn't use it as a first resort | I've seen countless videos of people neutralizing intruders, etc. - we've all seen those videos - and, I've always wondered how necessary it is, and at the same time, whether or not neutralizing an intruder or aggressor is necessary, even if it's legally allowed.
In my opinion, it's not necessary to end someone's life... | Fun-Importance-1605 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: “Reddit Narrator” YouTubers must post links.
There are a lot of YouTubers that make monetized videos based off of Reddit posts (either through YouTube or by sponsors). A good portion of which do not post links to the actual Reddit post that they got the story from (read stole if they don’t post the link). Some ev... | If you as a poster can prove that content is yours you can send a DMCA notice to YouTube and have your copyrighted content removed from the video. It's just going to be a bit difficult to probe that compared to say Disney proving that a movie is theirs.
YouTube doesn't benefit from making this content easy to take do... | I don’t think this needs a legal solution.
Post the videos to a subreddit, have people search for the comments and crowdsource tagging the authors, and give them info to easily request a takedown.
No law change required.
You could probably automate some of this if you were so inclined.
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That puts the burden on ... | syybmp | CMV: “Reddit Narrator” YouTubers must post links. | There are a lot of YouTubers that make monetized videos based off of Reddit posts (either through YouTube or by sponsors). A good portion of which do not post links to the actual Reddit post that they got the story from (read stole if they don’t post the link). Some even ensure that there is no way to identify the post... | ShadowX199 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: webgirls selling nudes and offering web fantasy services are sex workers and they should not keep it a secret from their romantic partners
I am not using the word sex worker in a pejorative sense. I mean it literally, any girl who chooses to be onlyfans or other web based platform for the purposes of satisfying s... | You ain’t totally wrong but I’d put it in a very grey area. It could be kept secret for good reasons and bad reasons.
Definitely not comparable to cheating (not saying you did), no physical or emotional connection at all.
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I don’t understand how providing services that would satisfy other men’s sexual fantasy for ... | There's two different part in your view:
* People selling their nudes on Internet should tell their romantic partner
* Sex work in not compatible with monogamous partner
Concerning the first I guess it's mostly reasonable though I would still argue that it's not a top priority information that need to be said at the... | l73jqj | CMV: webgirls selling nudes and offering web fantasy services are sex workers and they should not keep it a secret from their romantic partners | I am not using the word sex worker in a pejorative sense. I mean it literally, any girl who chooses to be onlyfans or other web based platform for the purposes of satisfying someone’s sexual fantasy for monetary exchange is a sex worker.
It’s not easy to make a living these days and I don’t hold anything against what... | CrustaceansAmongstUs | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: The r/WSB Gamestop trading 'meme' is just pump and dump market manipulation and probably illegal.
I was looking at wikipedia earlier: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market\_manipulation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation)
Given the uproar over this and comments from US political figures in suppor... | [deleted]
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There is accurate information. It is on a public forum. However, I still think this is market manipulation.
The value of a stock should mostly be determined by its fundamentals. Yahoo finance as of right now is reporting $GME to be overvalued, and I think it is fair to say that based on the stock's fun... | A very important point about WSB and the Gamestop stock is that the stock was shorted by a larger amount than was available in the total supply. And not only that, if you discount some of the stocks held by groups that can't or won't unload large amounts of shares, then you realize that for every 1 share in circulation... | l7b23m | CMV: The r/WSB Gamestop trading 'meme' is just pump and dump market manipulation and probably illegal. | I was looking at wikipedia earlier: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market\_manipulation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation)
Given the uproar over this and comments from US political figures in support of the WSB traders I'm just wondering how this sort of trading isn't illegal?
It seems like the peopl... | Okkio | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: There is absolutely no reason for me to keep my Wii U and I should just sell it.
Complete minimalist here. In Christmas of 2013, I got a Wii U (only because my sister got a Wii in January 2008, and I only wanted to "upgrade"), despite it being very low on my wish list, and throughout its commercial lifespan, I on... | Wii u upconverts to HDMI. It technically has better output than your HDMI dongle.
Virtual console, which probably not get ported to the switch in It's complete state.
Nintendoland won't get ported.
No more Wii fit u.
Smash is still several years away. As are most of the ports you mentioned. Do you think Nintendo w... | The Wii U plays games. You have a Wii U. You don't have a Switch. You can play games on Wii U without having to buy a Switch. That's why you would keep the Wii U.
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Hate to tell you this, but I just got myself a Switch just to keep up with the current games like Super Mario Odyssey and any future titles, and es... | 7kwpox | CMV: There is absolutely no reason for me to keep my Wii U and I should just sell it. | Complete minimalist here. In Christmas of 2013, I got a Wii U (only because my sister got a Wii in January 2008, and I only wanted to "upgrade"), despite it being very low on my wish list, and throughout its commercial lifespan, I only had no more than 6 games in my Wii U library, and I felt very regretful to own it on... | rfreymuth | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: American cinema is justified in casting mostly white people in movies
I understand why minorities in America may want more representation in movies, but I feel, as one of these minorities, we don't really have the right to be too angry when we get replaced by white people or when white people get more parts in mo... | It isn't just about how many minorities are cast in the movies, but the kind of role they have. If you say that 80% of the population is white, then you'd have 20% of protagonists on average as minorities. But instead it *feels more like* almost 90% main characters are white, while most of the minority characters are p... | In general an actor's appearance should fit role's narrative assumptions. Fictional roles just leave more place for miscasting. So please no white Airbender or black English queen.
However, racial questions are tough. As an Asian, I notice annoying trend of Blacks being pushed up (like Heimdall or Nick Fury in Marvel's... | 6aj1f6 | CMV: American cinema is justified in casting mostly white people in movies | I understand why minorities in America may want more representation in movies, but I feel, as one of these minorities, we don't really have the right to be too angry when we get replaced by white people or when white people get more parts in movies. White people make up about 80% of the population and it makes complete... | Evaniscus | 2 | 2 | [
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