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CMV: If you can be Transgender you can be Transracial and shouldn’t get flak for referring to people by sex
Before we start: I am a Black Male, Libertarian and not homophobic or misogynistic and open to different ideas.
Here’s my reasoning, I understand sex is determined by XX and XY chromosomes but gender is a socia... | The reasoning behind this post is fallacious at its core. It's broadly of the form "X and Y are both things of type Z. X has property P. Therefore Y has property P." In this case, this form is instantiated with X = gender, Y = race, Z = a social construct, and P = changeability-at-will. But this isn't a logically valid... | > If you support transgender people you should support transracial people too
Wouldn't it be more accurate to call them transethnic? If gender is fluid and we're supporting trans people in that, we want to be as accurate as possible, and ethnicity seems more fluid than race seeing as it considers culture, language, he... | wglmc2 | CMV: If you can be Transgender you can be Transracial and shouldn’t get flak for referring to people by sex | Before we start: I am a Black Male, Libertarian and not homophobic or misogynistic and open to different ideas.
Here’s my reasoning, I understand sex is determined by XX and XY chromosomes but gender is a social construct because its just words but not a physical thing. So if your a female your gender can still be “Ma... | Substantial_Phone_23 | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: It is unrealistic to expect to have 50% of a film crew on major films and television to be women
**Edit 1**: It is unclear to me whether King's quote is referring to women casting or women in production roles. I have data regarding production roles below. If anybody has some for women casting that would be awesom... | >and slightly sexist
Entertainment is an unusual industry in that “success” is typically based on who you know rather that what you know. For example, in most industries, Nepotism is typically frowned upon, but in Hollywood is encouraged. People in powerful positions are more likely to mentor or seek out collaborata... | The idea behind the 50% target is based on simple logic
There is nothing inherent about being a woman that would make them worse at these roles.
Thus gender should not be a factor in these jobs.
Thus, given that women make up approximately 50% of the population, there should be no reason why they shouldn't be appro... | aej1bg | CMV: It is unrealistic to expect to have 50% of a film crew on major films and television to be women | **Edit 1**: It is unclear to me whether King's quote is referring to women casting or women in production roles. I have data regarding production roles below. If anybody has some for women casting that would be awesome.
**Edit 2**: Super interesting discussions being had. Many being had regarding race as well as gende... | 2gdismore | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Hate speech is free speech.
The idea that people should get into legal trouble or fear physical violence against themselves for hate speech really bothers me. It's not because I think the speech isn't harmful, or because I support it, but it's because of the moral and political implications for society as a whole... | Hate speech is free speech…
Am I correct in assuming when you say free speech you are referring to the 1st amendment of the US constitution? And you believe hate speech if a form of speech that should fall under its protection, in America?
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I believe that the right to free speech is a natural right, given to all ... | > The idea that people should get into legal trouble or fear physical violence against themselves for hate speech really bothers me.
You’re worried about freedom of speech becoming so constrained that it boomerangs back on everyone, right? But isn't the main fucking point of distinguishing hate speech from free speech... | 1cevu2w | CMV: Hate speech is free speech. | The idea that people should get into legal trouble or fear physical violence against themselves for hate speech really bothers me. It's not because I think the speech isn't harmful, or because I support it, but it's because of the moral and political implications for society as a whole. Such an idea also makes it harde... | Most-Travel4320 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Gary Lineker should publicly apologise or lose his role at the BBC
To give some background:
- For those who don’t know, the BBC is the appointed national broadcaster, which role is to give British people impartial access to news.
- Gary Lineker is an ex-England footballer and is currently a BBC Sport presenter
- ... | TL;DR if you work at the BBC (no the other one) you should not criticise the government?
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If you work at the BBC, you should not openly criticise active changes in policy. You can discuss the merits and the flaws in an impartial manner?
If you don’t want to abide by that, don’t work there seems pretty reasonable ... | He said it on Twitter, not *on* the BBC.
He's a sports commentator/presenter, not a news presenter.
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But the BBC is an impartial body.
If you’re in HR at BP / Shell / oil company and join the extinction rebellion anti-oil campaign… then get fired… that would still make sense. You’ve opposed the root of the compa... | 11nyz6c | CMV: Gary Lineker should publicly apologise or lose his role at the BBC | To give some background:
- For those who don’t know, the BBC is the appointed national broadcaster, which role is to give British people impartial access to news.
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CMV: We need a definite way to distinguish sexes OR we need to abolish "admittance" criteria that are different for males / females
It is generally understood that "males" and "females" (in quotes because i don't have a rigid definition for these terms) have differences in physiology and physical capabilities. Again, ... | We do and have had for some time a very good way of distinguishing the sexses: gametes. Males produce small gametes, sperm and females produce large gametes, eggs. Nobody seems to know this but this has been the consensus in biological community for a long time. [Here](https://academic.oup.com/molehr/article/20/12/1161... | You seem to be confusing sex and gender here. We have a 100% reliable way to determine sex.
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I understand that sex is biological and gender is a social construct. But then i don't understand the commotion of "trans man wins women's sports".
Can you elaborate on how the league selection is made?
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Well more t... | ho1ixz | CMV: We need a definite way to distinguish sexes OR we need to abolish "admittance" criteria that are different for males / females | It is generally understood that "males" and "females" (in quotes because i don't have a rigid definition for these terms) have differences in physiology and physical capabilities. Again, in general, "males" tend to be taller, stronger, and possibly have more stamina.
This has led, rightly in my opinion, to having diff... | dstergiou | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Getting hung up over specific diseases after you lose a loved one makes no sense.
Like when someone's loved one dies of liver cancer for example. Said person ends up signing up for a 5k to raise money for that specific illness. "It's close to my heart" yadda yadda. Illogical. I've lost a parent to a certain form ... | It might not make logical sense, but do you think it makes emotional sense?
In other words, if you modeled a person as acting on emotion rather than logic, would these actions make sense?
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People should be using their logical reasoning skills to override emotion.
But my point there is moot, because no, I don't t... | logically, no private person should donate towards disease research, since the chances of that disease affecting your immediate family or friends is very small, right?
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People donate because they want to chip in to research that will end human suffering on some level.
I'm merely saying it makes no sense to obsess... | adamd8 | CMV: Getting hung up over specific diseases after you lose a loved one makes no sense. | Like when someone's loved one dies of liver cancer for example. Said person ends up signing up for a 5k to raise money for that specific illness. "It's close to my heart" yadda yadda. Illogical. I've lost a parent to a certain form of cancer, and honestly, I still feel no different towards cancer than I do any other il... | mathemagician117 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trump would not have stopped a Ukraine invasion
There is a lot of I think misplaced US political talk surrounding the recent world events. While I do think Biden's response has been rather weak, it's really not clear to me how any US president could have stopped Putin from invading short of committing troops. Bu... | (I say this as a person who hates Trump and everything he and his supporters stand for)
Putin probably wouldn't have invaded if Trump was president because he didn't see Trump as a threat. Trump didn't and wouldn't have continued getting close to Ukraine. Trump would have probably gotten in the way of Ukraine joining t... | Kinda weird that in bidens first year russia pulled this shit yet in trumps four he never did
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I mean technically it was Biden’s second year since he was inaugurated in January, but even ignoring that, it’s 1/4 of the way through his term. If you were waiting for a different president wouldn’t it make far more se... | t3invv | CMV: Trump would not have stopped a Ukraine invasion | There is a lot of I think misplaced US political talk surrounding the recent world events. While I do think Biden's response has been rather weak, it's really not clear to me how any US president could have stopped Putin from invading short of committing troops. But that hasn't stopped many people on both sides compar... | sawdeanz | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Adoption should be the only way to have kids for people who cannot conceive naturally
I’m personally against IVF, IUI, surrogacy and other forms of medical precedures to get children. I am in favor of adoption and have no issue with fertility drugs.
Why? Well, first off because there’s a lot of children up for a... | > Overall I just don’t get the fixation with “I must have a baby that is biologically mine”
Some people want the experience of creating a new life, or being pregnant, or witnessing a birth, or (because babies are rare to adopt) raising a small child.
Some people find it meaningful for their child to be a literal uni... | IVF is covered by many different kinds of insurance because if you need IVF as a straight couple, it’s likely because you have a medical problem. Adoption costs upwards of 50k. My daughter was born via IVF, we paid nothing; adoption would have cost me 50k - in which case I just wouldn’t have had any children.
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Whi... | wg61ql | CMV: Adoption should be the only way to have kids for people who cannot conceive naturally | I’m personally against IVF, IUI, surrogacy and other forms of medical precedures to get children. I am in favor of adoption and have no issue with fertility drugs.
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Cmv: voter ID laws aren't racist
People keep saying that. But identification is really easy to get. Not only that, but you have to have an ID for most things. And if you ask most minorities, they have id.
You have to have an ID for most things anyway!
Buying booze, buying weed, buying cigs. getting a job, investing. ... | >Or maybe it's because I'm not American and your system is backwards as hell?
So, it seems you don't understand why people say voter ID in america is racist.
Basically, it's racist because they try to make it racist, because being racist is the point of the system. See, in the US, black people overwhelmingly vote for... | This topic has come up many times in this subreddit before. It might be helpful for you to take a look at [some of those older discussions](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=%22voter+id%22+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2Fchangemyview).
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Your link just led me to the main page lol
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It didn't for me. A... | opn3zp | Cmv: voter ID laws aren't racist | People keep saying that. But identification is really easy to get. Not only that, but you have to have an ID for most things. And if you ask most minorities, they have id.
You have to have an ID for most things anyway!
Buying booze, buying weed, buying cigs. getting a job, investing. All of it requires ID.
You need ... | prussianwaifu | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Republicans are worse at tackling crime than Democrats
First of all, I don't think Democrats are perfect either. I do think defunding police is at least partially attributable for the crime increases in the country.
Despite this, I think Republicans overall are worse.
When comparing states, blue states are bett... | >But I'm not convinced that Democrats are responsible for it because the few Republican run cities aren't better at handling crime.
I'm not sure I would say democrats are responsible, but, of the 100 most populated cities, the ones with democrat mayors have almost twice the violent crime rate (murder, rape, robbery, a... | You mention that Democrats defunding the police is partially attributable to a rise in crime somewhere.
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No, but research does show more cop pre... | wgeptz | CMV: Republicans are worse at tackling crime than Democrats | First of all, I don't think Democrats are perfect either. I do think defunding police is at least partially attributable for the crime increases in the country.
Despite this, I think Republicans overall are worse.
When comparing states, blue states are better than red:
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CMV: Age is NOT just a number.
In response to my moaning about how old I'm getting and how little I've achieved of what I originally aimed for, I'm often told "Age is just a number."
I get that point of view. I know that I do not necessarily lose the ability/chance to do a certain thing when I reach a certain age, an... | I feel like you wrote 7 paragraphs that mostly describe obviously true facts that aging is real and life circumstances change over time, and nobody will ever convince you that that's not the case. The linear passage of time is real, human bodies don't last forever, and life happens and things change.
But where I think... | I’ve met whip-smart 18 year olds living on their own and working a job, and I’ve met useless 30 year olds who mindlessly bump along the river of life.
Directly to your point. If I’m hiring for a job, and I see a 21 year old with an impressive early resume, who had a great interview, I might take them for a position of... | 1at88v2 | CMV: Age is NOT just a number. | In response to my moaning about how old I'm getting and how little I've achieved of what I originally aimed for, I'm often told "Age is just a number."
I get that point of view. I know that I do not necessarily lose the ability/chance to do a certain thing when I reach a certain age, and there's always "time" if I put... | bookwormeg | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The discussion around Switzerland's planned sanctions on Russia being particularly effective due to them being a tax haven, is proof that western society needs to start pressuring them to, well, stop.
So a lot of European countries are hailed as being model examples of what countries like the US should strive to ... | Out of interest, if you shut down Switzerland, wouldn't the rich simply move to the next most friendly country?
The US is a major home of shell corp creation that allows billions to hide/process/store funds globally. Would you looking to dig into Delaware next?
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CMV: Managers should be the one to find covers for shifts
In many jobs (multiple ones I've worked anyway), it's the responsibility of the employee to find someone to cover their shift if they can't make it. In other ones, the manager will do it. My view is currently that the manager should be the one to do it by defau... | I've seen jobs where the manager asks if there's a replacement for the purposes of disciplinary action. If you agree to switch shifts with someone else, it's not considered an absence - you've just moved your day off. In this case, a manager asking the question of if you've found coverage is to determine if they alread... | If you sign up for a job, and you agree to work a certain shift on a specific day, it is your responsibility to fulfill that shift. If that means you need someone to cover it, then find someone to cover it. It’s not the managers fault your unable to come in, why should they need the burden of making sure the shifts cov... | 13gf1lg | CMV: Managers should be the one to find covers for shifts | In many jobs (multiple ones I've worked anyway), it's the responsibility of the employee to find someone to cover their shift if they can't make it. In other ones, the manager will do it. My view is currently that the manager should be the one to do it by default.
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CMV: Managers should be the one to find covers for shifts
In many jobs (multiple ones I've worked anyway), it's the responsibility of the employee to find someone to cover their shift if they can't make it. In other ones, the manager will do it. My view is currently that the manager should be the one to do it by defau... | I've seen jobs where the manager asks if there's a replacement for the purposes of disciplinary action. If you agree to switch shifts with someone else, it's not considered an absence - you've just moved your day off. In this case, a manager asking the question of if you've found coverage is to determine if they alread... | a manager's job is to manage. if they delegate the task to you, it is your job. also you are the one needing the help, why wouldn't it be on you to find someone to cover for you?
>If they are not getting paid, they should not be subject to doing the additional work of finding a replacement.
you are presumably doing t... | 13gf1lg | CMV: Managers should be the one to find covers for shifts | In many jobs (multiple ones I've worked anyway), it's the responsibility of the employee to find someone to cover their shift if they can't make it. In other ones, the manager will do it. My view is currently that the manager should be the one to do it by default.
Reasons:
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CMV: I don't care enough about animals to be a vegan.
I'm not saying I don't care about animals at all, I say I don't care about them **enough** to change my diet. I just don't.
Yes, I think my taste buds are more valuable than the life of those sentient beings.
Yes, I know alternatives exist.
Yes, I accept the fac... | I’m really struggling to see what view you want challenged here. Could you please restate it as succinctly as possible?
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Pretty much the title: I don't care enough about animals to be a vegan.
I've seen factory farming footage, and I don't feel the need to modify my diet. I understand environmental risks, for ins... | Would your view be change from environmental impacts of mass farming? That affects humans. The least a meat lover could do is limit intake to a few times a week. Even just at dinner times.
EDIT: as pointed out I should have said milk drinkers too, since this is a vegan argument. My bad :)
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Wouldn't improved farmi... | ho0b99 | CMV: I don't care enough about animals to be a vegan. | I'm not saying I don't care about animals at all, I say I don't care about them **enough** to change my diet. I just don't.
Yes, I think my taste buds are more valuable than the life of those sentient beings.
Yes, I know alternatives exist.
Yes, I accept the fact that my preference to eat a pig over a dog is cultura... | TheMedernShairluck | 3 | 3 | [
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I'm not saying I don't care about animals at all, I say I don't care about them **enough** to change my diet. I just don't.
Yes, I think my taste buds are more valuable than the life of those sentient beings.
Yes, I know alternatives exist.
Yes, I accept the fac... | You mention that you are concerned about human suffering. The meat industry causes a lot of suffering for humans as well as animals.
Meatpacking is one of the most dangerous industries on the planet.
Workers are constantly subjected to loud noises, diseases from freshly slaughtered animals, and hazardous chemicals (s... | Would your view be change from environmental impacts of mass farming? That affects humans. The least a meat lover could do is limit intake to a few times a week. Even just at dinner times.
EDIT: as pointed out I should have said milk drinkers too, since this is a vegan argument. My bad :)
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Yes, I think my taste buds are more valuable than the life of those sentient beings.
Yes, I know alternatives exist.
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CMV: The best way to stop crime is not to have more police or to lock more people up; The best way to stop crime is to fix the reason why people commit crimes.
Right now there is a debate over crime and the way to stop it. Certain groups fervently maintain that we need more police and harsher punishments. That is not... | >Most crimes are caused by circumstances and need. Making sure people have food, shelter and healthcare would go much further at stopping crime than locking people up or arresting people.
I grew up around a bunch of kids who had a place to stay, lots of food, television, car, education opportunities, etc etc etc. Many... | [removed]
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Its not even peoples experiences in prison that cause the majority of problems(yes prison experiences are terrible) but the far worst effect is how they are treated after. Even with all of the terrible realities of prison the last effect wouldn't be nearly as bad if we saw people instead of ex-convict... | opiukt | CMV: The best way to stop crime is not to have more police or to lock more people up; The best way to stop crime is to fix the reason why people commit crimes. | Right now there is a debate over crime and the way to stop it. Certain groups fervently maintain that we need more police and harsher punishments. That is not going to stop crime because it does nothing to fix the cause of most crime.
Most crimes are caused by circumstances and need. Making sure people have food,... | BlueViper20 | 3 | 3 | [
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cmv: Frozen is the worst Animated movie
Edit : Sorry for the title. It just means, Frozen is bad. It is ofc not the worst.
I loved the animation. But I think it's got the least effort in story board compiling a bunch of fantasy themes into a movie. It felt so wanna be of Disney to produce a female character with no... | Have you heard of Food Fight? It's much much worse in terms of basic technical competence nevermind story telling or acting.
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Okay. I have to change my view then. I know there are worse movies. It is supposed to mean, Frozen is bad.
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Bad or bad in contrast to the extremely high bar people have for animated Di... | I can't speak for the second movie, but I think the fact that Elsa had no love interest not only gave her a much more independent and heroic feel, but it also made the movie incredibly special to a lot of people. One of my best friends is aro/ace, and I could tell how happy it made her to see 'someone like her' in the ... | hnzkws | cmv: Frozen is the worst Animated movie | Edit : Sorry for the title. It just means, Frozen is bad. It is ofc not the worst.
I loved the animation. But I think it's got the least effort in story board compiling a bunch of fantasy themes into a movie. It felt so wanna be of Disney to produce a female character with no love interest and it being brought up th... | sakthi38311 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Begum should not have had her British citizenship revoked
Hey guys! I believe Begum should not have had her British citizenship revoked. I'm American but I've been reading up on this situation, and I'm deeply against the Reddit consensus on this issue. My stance is that giving the government the power to mess wit... | Typically, it's against international law to strip someone of their citizenship and make them stateless. *However*, we generally recognize an exception for when a citizen gives aid to an enemy or foments war against the country of their nationality.
The justification basically goes like this: if you turn traitor agai... | [deleted]
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1. I don't know about other countries, but nothing has happened because this is the first case. But it sets a bad precedent for the future. The road to hell isn't built in a day, it's built brick by brick over time.
2. But they could be declared "terrorists" or Just Stop Oil could be declared a "terror... | z4htmq | CMV: Begum should not have had her British citizenship revoked | Hey guys! I believe Begum should not have had her British citizenship revoked. I'm American but I've been reading up on this situation, and I'm deeply against the Reddit consensus on this issue. My stance is that giving the government the power to mess with people's citizenship, even a bit, opens the door to a wide var... | Admirable_Ad1947 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV People being upset about Scarlett Johansson playing a transgender man are undermining the transgender acceptance movement.
Transgender people are working towards acceptance for who they are inside, not because of their outward appearance. Being upset about a woman playing a man is defeating the entire point. If a ... | There are many trans actors. They are not given any chance to play cis roles and because of casting like this they are also not given any chance to play trans roles. This isn't about some nebulous "transgender acceptance movement." This is about actual people being denied a chance because Hollywood always casts cis act... | The problem isn’t some statement about looks/who you are on the outside vs inside.
The problem is that the director could just has easily of just hired an actual transgender man, instead of a cisgender woman. There are barely any jobs for transgender actors already, and it doesn’t help when all of the roles for their o... | 8z2wsq | CMV People being upset about Scarlett Johansson playing a transgender man are undermining the transgender acceptance movement. | Transgender people are working towards acceptance for who they are inside, not because of their outward appearance. Being upset about a woman playing a man is defeating the entire point. If a person were truly accepting of the idea of someone being looked at by who they are inside, you would wait and give her a chance ... | Sparred4Life | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Financial incentives will not solve decreasing birth rates
A common reason I hear for decreasing birth rates is that people can no longer afford it due to increased cost of living. I disagree, I believe the main reason birth rates are decreasing is because people are simply not interested in having children.
Man... | Can you provide a specific example or two of what a country has tried and what the impacts were? I’m not sure we can discount financial incentives here until we consider what the incentives were and in what context they were used. It’s possible they were just insufficient.
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Hungary gives a huge financial incentive... | The main issue I see with your argument is you claim “decreasing birth rates is that people can no longer afford it due to cost of living” is a common reason.
That’s just foolish and you believe it to be foolish as well.
You’ve presented us with the *“actual”* main reason and we are supposed convince you other wise... | 11nggty | CMV: Financial incentives will not solve decreasing birth rates | A common reason I hear for decreasing birth rates is that people can no longer afford it due to increased cost of living. I disagree, I believe the main reason birth rates are decreasing is because people are simply not interested in having children.
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CMV: Porn should be banned
I consider myself a victim of porn addiction. My libido has been absolutely destroyed by it. I can’t get aroused from the thought of having a relationship and being sexually active because it’s not extreme/taboo enough. Porn addicts start with relatively normal porn but then eventually that ... | How should we go about banning porn? What classifies as porn? Nudity in media? Erotic stories? Sex scenes in movies? Anatomy diagrams?
There’s no feasible way to ban porn completely. People will always be able to find get/get a hold of it. You’ll just be putting more people in jail/ given fines. Most people consume p... | Should alcohol be banned?
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No. Alcohol is possible to be consumed in moderation and the vast majority of people do so. Its effects are very well understood and have been for generations.
Porn on the other hand is poorly understood in terms of effects on the brain. And porn in and of itself is not stimulation in ... | 1cem0n6 | CMV: Porn should be banned | I consider myself a victim of porn addiction. My libido has been absolutely destroyed by it. I can’t get aroused from the thought of having a relationship and being sexually active because it’s not extreme/taboo enough. Porn addicts start with relatively normal porn but then eventually that doesn’t stimulate them like ... | Dependent-Pea-9066 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: No well intentioned, informed person should even use the phrase Assault Weapon.
\*Except to criticize or mock the usage of the term.
There is not now and has never been, an industry definition of assault weapon, unlike assault rifles.
No politically based definition definition of assault weapon has consistently... | But why is it the industry definition that matters, and not the definition that people know and understand? Because you know what we mean when we say "assault weapon ban," for example. It means we want to ban AR-15's and the like, because of how useful for killing people they are, but not, for example, hunting rifles o... | Would it really make that big a difference to you if the Democrats started pushing a "modern sporting rifle ban" since that's the gun industries' preferred term? If not, who cares?
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Yes, I think pressing a modern sporting rifle ban would be clearly less popular and based on vague propaganda than rhetoric centered ... | 13fbngm | CMV: No well intentioned, informed person should even use the phrase Assault Weapon. | \*Except to criticize or mock the usage of the term.
There is not now and has never been, an industry definition of assault weapon, unlike assault rifles.
No politically based definition definition of assault weapon has consistently referred to the same set of guns.
Every "AWB" lists different guns and features to t... | Madauras | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: No well intentioned, informed person should even use the phrase Assault Weapon.
\*Except to criticize or mock the usage of the term.
There is not now and has never been, an industry definition of assault weapon, unlike assault rifles.
No politically based definition definition of assault weapon has consistently... | But why is it the industry definition that matters, and not the definition that people know and understand? Because you know what we mean when we say "assault weapon ban," for example. It means we want to ban AR-15's and the like, because of how useful for killing people they are, but not, for example, hunting rifles o... | Idk. To me it seems simple. You seem to be ok with the term "assault rifle." What is a rifle if not a weapon? So wouldn't "assault weapon" be a term that covers the category of rifle?
Edit: I'll put this another way. Could it be the case of "all assault rifles can be classified as assault weapons, but not all assault ... | 13fbngm | CMV: No well intentioned, informed person should even use the phrase Assault Weapon. | \*Except to criticize or mock the usage of the term.
There is not now and has never been, an industry definition of assault weapon, unlike assault rifles.
No politically based definition definition of assault weapon has consistently referred to the same set of guns.
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\*Except to criticize or mock the usage of the term.
There is not now and has never been, an industry definition of assault weapon, unlike assault rifles.
No politically based definition definition of assault weapon has consistently... | Mass shootings are almost exclusively carried out by a very distinct weapon. Hundreds of innocent people dead, murdered ny this very easily identified type of weapon.
But you want to play the "achually" game. And that makes you a dishonest bad faith actor.
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There is not now and has never been, an industry definition of assault weapon, unlike assault rifles.
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CMV: If you agree with Ned Stark in GoT, then you must also agree with the Greens in HotD. (Show spoilers)
\*\*I'm going according to the show, I've read all the ASOIAF books but not Fire and Blood, so just for ease gonna go off the shows\*\*
In Season 1 of GoT Ned Stark reveals that the heir to the Iron Throne is a ... | The king appointed his heir, Rhenyera, and the Lords swore fealty to her. The king repeatedly enforced that decision and made himself clear.
Broken promises from the Lords over heresay from the Queen who interpreted the Kings delusional deathbed words to mean what she wanted it to mean.
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They swore to Rhenyera, n... | The key distinction here is that Joffrey was the bastard of the non-royal side, while Rhenyera's children were the biological heirs.
One bastard was outside the royal family, while the other was inside.
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Okay I find this kinda persuasive. But shouldn't any bastardry+deception on linage disqualify someone from rul... | z4ej9m | CMV: If you agree with Ned Stark in GoT, then you must also agree with the Greens in HotD. (Show spoilers) | \*\*I'm going according to the show, I've read all the ASOIAF books but not Fire and Blood, so just for ease gonna go off the shows\*\*
In Season 1 of GoT Ned Stark reveals that the heir to the Iron Throne is a bastard. He is punished by losing his head. The fandom and show portrays his quest to reveal the true nature... | blackflag415 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The only branch of the US federal government I truly trust anymore is the Supreme Court
The Supreme Court members don't word vomit and cat fight on Twitter, the rationale for the decisions they make have to be based on actual legal reasoning while with the other branches of government, it's about appeasing voters... | What exactly do you mean by branch of the federal government?
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Executive, legislative and judicial
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Thinking of the executive branch as the president is a vast oversimplification. It's missing the forest for a single tree.
There are thousands upon thousands of Americans who serve in the executive branches of... | This dysfunction brought to you by the Supreme Court which ruled (5-4 on partisan lines) in 2010 that individuals and corporations can spend unlimited amounts of money in outside campaign activity creating a series of perverse incentives for elected officials to represent the interests of super PAC mega donors over the... | opg7x6 | CMV: The only branch of the US federal government I truly trust anymore is the Supreme Court | The Supreme Court members don't word vomit and cat fight on Twitter, the rationale for the decisions they make have to be based on actual legal reasoning while with the other branches of government, it's about appeasing voters to get reelected.
It appears that since 2016, America has done a terrible job at picking pr... | overhardeggs | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Gender Identity is a form of freedom of expression, does not need to be logical, and should be protected everywhere.
Technically, I have 2 views here, feel free to expand/change either one.
1. Gender Identity is a form of freedom of expression, does not need to be logical.
Gender Identity from Oxford dictionary:... | Question: what do you mean by "protected", exactly?
If you mean "I should be able to adopt any gender identity I want without being arrested for it", sure.
If you mean "I should be able to announce that my pronouns are gerbilphlee/gerbilphlegm/gerbilphleir and then sue my employer for 'hostile work environment' discr... | I don't know man, sometimes women like to be around only women that are women to a degree more than their personal feelings.
---
I’m not sure what this means. Acknowledging that gender identity should be protected without needing a logical justification doesn’t stop women from seeking other women out if they want.
-... | 11ne2b8 | CMV: Gender Identity is a form of freedom of expression, does not need to be logical, and should be protected everywhere. | Technically, I have 2 views here, feel free to expand/change either one.
1. Gender Identity is a form of freedom of expression, does not need to be logical.
Gender Identity from Oxford dictionary:
"a person's innate sense of their gender"
Additionally, It is often aligned with one biological sex, but it might not be t... | kagekyaa | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Housing needs to be nationalized immediately
We have stories of corporate landlords subjecting children to toxic mold.
https://youtu.be/olwUcZbw1lQ?feature=shared
We have the already existing units being left vacant while there are people out there sleeping on the streets.
https://betterdwelling.com/canada-hid... | Can you provide an example of the government nationalizing X leading to sustainable long term increase in supply of X.
Any X and, any government, any time.
---
Given the sheer bias against nationalization, most especially amongst lobbyists but to a lesser extent among the most market-worshipping of the voting public... | >But housing is too important to be left to the private sector, where regulation is considered a dirty word, and whatever regulation get slipped past the lobbyists get inadequately enforced anyway.
Housing is very highly regulated. Where you can build, how much, the size of each structure, height, use, facade, number ... | 1at2ma9 | CMV: Housing needs to be nationalized immediately | We have stories of corporate landlords subjecting children to toxic mold.
https://youtu.be/olwUcZbw1lQ?feature=shared
We have the already existing units being left vacant while there are people out there sleeping on the streets.
https://betterdwelling.com/canada-hides-its-vacant-home-count-with-last-minute-registrat... | ShortUsername01 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Housing needs to be nationalized immediately
We have stories of corporate landlords subjecting children to toxic mold.
https://youtu.be/olwUcZbw1lQ?feature=shared
We have the already existing units being left vacant while there are people out there sleeping on the streets.
https://betterdwelling.com/canada-hid... | >But housing is too important to be left to the private sector, where regulation is considered a dirty word, and whatever regulation get slipped past the lobbyists get inadequately enforced anyway.
Housing is very highly regulated. Where you can build, how much, the size of each structure, height, use, facade, number ... | Can you provide an example of the government nationalizing X leading to sustainable long term increase in supply of X.
Any X and, any government, any time.
---
Given the sheer bias against nationalization, most especially amongst lobbyists but to a lesser extent among the most market-worshipping of the voting public... | 1at2ma9 | CMV: Housing needs to be nationalized immediately | We have stories of corporate landlords subjecting children to toxic mold.
https://youtu.be/olwUcZbw1lQ?feature=shared
We have the already existing units being left vacant while there are people out there sleeping on the streets.
https://betterdwelling.com/canada-hides-its-vacant-home-count-with-last-minute-registrat... | ShortUsername01 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Housing needs to be nationalized immediately
We have stories of corporate landlords subjecting children to toxic mold.
https://youtu.be/olwUcZbw1lQ?feature=shared
We have the already existing units being left vacant while there are people out there sleeping on the streets.
https://betterdwelling.com/canada-hid... | >But housing is too important to be left to the private sector, where regulation is considered a dirty word, and whatever regulation get slipped past the lobbyists get inadequately enforced anyway.
Housing is very highly regulated. Where you can build, how much, the size of each structure, height, use, facade, number ... | Can you provide an example of the government nationalizing X leading to sustainable long term increase in supply of X.
Any X and, any government, any time.
---
Given the sheer bias against nationalization, most especially amongst lobbyists but to a lesser extent among the most market-worshipping of the voting public... | 1at2ma9 | CMV: Housing needs to be nationalized immediately | We have stories of corporate landlords subjecting children to toxic mold.
https://youtu.be/olwUcZbw1lQ?feature=shared
We have the already existing units being left vacant while there are people out there sleeping on the streets.
https://betterdwelling.com/canada-hides-its-vacant-home-count-with-last-minute-registrat... | ShortUsername01 | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: you can’t be against the power and influence the wealthy or famous have within the criminal justice system in America and support the release of Britney Griner
As you may or may not know she was detained and arrested in Russia for “drug smuggling charges” for having cannabis oil cartridges in her carry on at a Mo... | Would you be against the release of a gay American imprisoned in a country where homosexuality is illegal?
---
I don’t know how to give deltas but I would for this one
I would say this, everyone is responsible for their own actions, so if an LGBTQA person went to a country when homosexuality is illegal then you kind... | Russia is not a country beholden to the rule of law, and it ought to be fairly obvious that Griner is being used a political pawn to put pressure on and/or embarass the US. Even *if* Griner had accidentally packed a few THC cartridges, the prosecution of such a high-profile case is most certainly ordered by the Kremlin... | wg6eck | CMV: you can’t be against the power and influence the wealthy or famous have within the criminal justice system in America and support the release of Britney Griner | As you may or may not know she was detained and arrested in Russia for “drug smuggling charges” for having cannabis oil cartridges in her carry on at a Moscow airport. The charges include a maximum prison sentence of up to 10 years. She received 9.5 years.
She has never once denied being in possession of said cartridg... | huggles7 | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: there is no reason to assume animals can’t experience love like we can.
A question I keep asking myself is this: why do people act like every instance of animals showing affection can be explained away as different than ours?
I’ve heard people say things like “dogs don’t really love you, they just love that you ... | Here’s a really great and accessible Harvard article about neurochemistry of [love](https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/love-actually-science-behind-lust-attraction-companionship/) in humans. Based on what I know about biological evolution, I would say that we could connect similar feelings in animals that have sim... | The simple answer here is that love is a social construct, and as dogs do not participate in culture they cannot really experience that social construct. A dog can't experience love in the same way that a dog can't experience poverty: they can experience deprivation, hunger, and the other material conditions that go al... | 11mxy33 | CMV: there is no reason to assume animals can’t experience love like we can. | A question I keep asking myself is this: why do people act like every instance of animals showing affection can be explained away as different than ours?
I’ve heard people say things like “dogs don’t really love you, they just love that you give them food.” And I guess I just don’t really understand because we could d... | Jealous-Personality5 | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: Calling Putin "gay" isn't homophobic, nor is it harmful to the LGBT+ community.
Mandatory disclaimer : I am a trans lesbian. I know better than anyone how being gay isn't something bad or wrong, same for being an effeminate man (which is how I present in public before I fully transition).
​
People making... | But these videos will never make their way to Putin. It won’t harm him, it will only perpetuate anti-gay sentiment.
---
Wether or not he sees them is irrelevant. the video is making fun of Putin's homophobia, not of homosexuals.
---
How is calling someone "gay" making fun of their homophobia? If you want to make fu... | > People making fun of Vladimir Putin for being gay, like in this old yet trending video, are doing so only because they know that he is openly homophobic.
I don’t follow. What does this mean? How is this making fun of Putin?
---
Well it is calling Putin gay, which he would hate to be called since he is homophobic.
... | t30ihm | CMV: Calling Putin "gay" isn't homophobic, nor is it harmful to the LGBT+ community. | Mandatory disclaimer : I am a trans lesbian. I know better than anyone how being gay isn't something bad or wrong, same for being an effeminate man (which is how I present in public before I fully transition).
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People making fun of Vladimir Putin for being gay, like in this old yet trending [video](https://ww... | Okipon | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: Humans are moral.
I know I've posted this before, but some people tended to stop responding quickly or just not providing reasoning. The mods can remove it if they want.
​
So here it is:
Just because we do something good and it makes us feel good doesn't mean it was selfish.
a. That isn't necessari... | Are you defining moral as “motivated to help others selflessly?”
---
I guess: "motivated to help others directly do to an ethical value/belief.
---
But surely we can find examples of people who:
1) act consistently without demonstrating a motivation to help others
2) harm others far more than they help
---
I kno... | I don't think you've fully explained your view, but it sounds like the "Ron Swanson" method, ie anything I do is moral because humans are moral, and I did it.
Is that an accurate understanding of your position? If not, please clarify!
---
Wait, why does it sound like the Ron Swanson method? What I'm saying is that i... | 11n9bsn | CMV: Humans are moral. | I know I've posted this before, but some people tended to stop responding quickly or just not providing reasoning. The mods can remove it if they want.
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So here it is:
Just because we do something good and it makes us feel good doesn't mean it was selfish.
a. That isn't necessarily WHY we did it
b. It'... | Forward-Razzmatazz18 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Western eveningwear should have developed the other way around
Any time I go to a formal event, I see women shivering and men sweating and loosening their ties. On average, men tend to be comfortable at cooler temperatures while women prefer warmer temperatures, so why is it that men are expected to wear suits, w... | Work clothing evolves for utilitarian purposes. Fashion does not and never has in any culture. Fashions evolve to accentuate a specific look and keep going further down that line until they run out of steam and something new comes into fashion.
As for high heels, they did start with men during the renaissance. It the... | Fashion does not evolve based on utilitarian purposes. That is not its purpose. Utilitarian clothing already exists. Fashion doesn't exist to be utilitarian, it exists to be a mark of status. This often requires that it be impractical and expensive. People used to dislike tans because it meant you were out in the field... | bcimhg | CMV: Western eveningwear should have developed the other way around | Any time I go to a formal event, I see women shivering and men sweating and loosening their ties. On average, men tend to be comfortable at cooler temperatures while women prefer warmer temperatures, so why is it that men are expected to wear suits, which are multi-layered and warm, while women wear dresses which are o... | peonypegasus | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: - Coherent - Feminists are not authorized to like misogynist people.
Ever. Feminism fights mysoginy. Anything that goes pro to misoginy MUST be disliked by feminists.
Example? The typical super-confidend boy that thinks he's the god of this world and talks to women like they are nothing.
I don't care how ... | Authorized by whom? How can a person be “entitled” to like people?
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You don't need other's authorization, but you still need yours. And your ideology says you can't. So you drop either the boy or the ideology.
---
A person’s ideology is theirs to define. If you want your ideology to include liking someone who i... | You cannot help who you like, it's not a question of being "authorised" to like someone.
---
You can help your ideology to vanish away, then.
---
Are you trying to make a point that you think certain feminists are hypocritical because they go for typical macho/good-looking guys who don't respect women?
So peopl... | 8z0tus | CMV: - Coherent - Feminists are not authorized to like misogynist people. | Ever. Feminism fights mysoginy. Anything that goes pro to misoginy MUST be disliked by feminists.
Example? The typical super-confidend boy that thinks he's the god of this world and talks to women like they are nothing.
I don't care how much attractive this guy can be, as long as he's misoginyst and the girl in... | heldex | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trans women feel entitled to redefine womanhood due to misogyny they never unlearned.
I have been noticing a trend recently , mostly online, of a loud minority of trans women stepping on toes when it comes to integrating with cis or afab women. Some examples of this include:
-Insisting that trans women have peri... | “Insisting that the idea of binary sex is a myth“
Explain what intersex is.
Explain what a binary is.
---
Lol very snarky like it. And I do see your point. That being said, the exception to a rule does not completely negate the validity of the rule.
Generally, sex, in humans is binary. Yes of course intersex peo... | From my understanding the part about birthing person is about doctors referencing trans men I don't think they actually have anything to do with trans women at least the only examples of this subject I hear are from conservatives claiming to hear this in real life but never actually naming names.
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I think you may... | 13f4id5 | CMV: Trans women feel entitled to redefine womanhood due to misogyny they never unlearned. | I have been noticing a trend recently , mostly online, of a loud minority of trans women stepping on toes when it comes to integrating with cis or afab women. Some examples of this include:
-Insisting that trans women have periods, and calling anyone who points out that this is impossible "transphobic".
- Insisting ... | Grand-Management-720 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trans women feel entitled to redefine womanhood due to misogyny they never unlearned.
I have been noticing a trend recently , mostly online, of a loud minority of trans women stepping on toes when it comes to integrating with cis or afab women. Some examples of this include:
-Insisting that trans women have peri... | From my understanding the part about birthing person is about doctors referencing trans men I don't think they actually have anything to do with trans women at least the only examples of this subject I hear are from conservatives claiming to hear this in real life but never actually naming names.
---
I think you may... | [deleted]
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Tiktok. I don't generally have a favorite online personality. There are plenty of videos of Trans women and allies "schooling" people on the validity of these things and how they are being transphobic for denying them.
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-Insisting that trans women have periods, and calling anyone who points out that this is impossible "transphobic".
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CMV: You are the gender that you are born as. There is no such thing as being transgender.
I don't see how somebody could be born a man but be mentally 'female.' Isn't that just being more feminine? It seems like most people who consider themselves transgender just don't follow gender guidelines, but I think that the ... | Why do you care what a person calls themself? I mean seriously, if someone born XY wants to call herself a woman, why do you care?
---
Well, I care because people want to make other people accept that as a fact. Its being intersected into science as a thing that gender is nothing but a construct, but you can see tha... | There's evidence that gender identity has a neurological basis. This is further supported by the fact that transgender children often begin expressing their identity from a very young age.
https://youtu.be/CsbtQ2-kUwA
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> transgender children often begin expressing their identity from a very young age.
I agree t... | 6f51rl | CMV: You are the gender that you are born as. There is no such thing as being transgender. | I don't see how somebody could be born a man but be mentally 'female.' Isn't that just being more feminine? It seems like most people who consider themselves transgender just don't follow gender guidelines, but I think that the process of becoming transgender and calling yourself a woman when you have a penis or a man ... | maoejo | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trading Card Games are a business model that hurts the game's experience more than it helps
The primary reason why I say this is the way cards in TCGs are marketed/distributed/sold, so I just wanna make sure there isn't any misconception about what aspects of these games I'm referring to.
There are 2 main ways f... | I’m only going to speak about MTG, the only game I know. Booster draft. Randomized packs exist for booster draft. I’ve played magic for 20+ years and I can probably count on my hand the amount of times I’ve cracked a pack outside of draft. Stores open packs for singles. They are the only ones that can buy in the quanti... | Doing things your way would get rid of draft and sealed in MTG, those are some of the most popular formats in the game.
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That doesn't excuse a bad business practice.
Besides, Wizards could always sell boxes and packs with predetermined cards along side the randomized ones, they could sell licensed proxies online ... | bcg9wc | CMV: Trading Card Games are a business model that hurts the game's experience more than it helps | The primary reason why I say this is the way cards in TCGs are marketed/distributed/sold, so I just wanna make sure there isn't any misconception about what aspects of these games I'm referring to.
There are 2 main ways for you to buy cards for TCGs (for legal tournament use): buying booster packs, tins, boxes, etc; o... | PeriodicPete | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trading Card Games are a business model that hurts the game's experience more than it helps
The primary reason why I say this is the way cards in TCGs are marketed/distributed/sold, so I just wanna make sure there isn't any misconception about what aspects of these games I'm referring to.
There are 2 main ways f... | I’m only going to speak about MTG, the only game I know. Booster draft. Randomized packs exist for booster draft. I’ve played magic for 20+ years and I can probably count on my hand the amount of times I’ve cracked a pack outside of draft. Stores open packs for singles. They are the only ones that can buy in the quanti... | Doing things your way would get rid of draft and sealed in MTG, those are some of the most popular formats in the game.
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That doesn't excuse a bad business practice.
Besides, Wizards could always sell boxes and packs with predetermined cards along side the randomized ones, they could sell licensed proxies online ... | bcg9wc | CMV: Trading Card Games are a business model that hurts the game's experience more than it helps | The primary reason why I say this is the way cards in TCGs are marketed/distributed/sold, so I just wanna make sure there isn't any misconception about what aspects of these games I'm referring to.
There are 2 main ways for you to buy cards for TCGs (for legal tournament use): buying booster packs, tins, boxes, etc; o... | PeriodicPete | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Trading Card Games are a business model that hurts the game's experience more than it helps
The primary reason why I say this is the way cards in TCGs are marketed/distributed/sold, so I just wanna make sure there isn't any misconception about what aspects of these games I'm referring to.
There are 2 main ways f... | The obvious counter to this is simply that people do still invest in these games despite the fact they can buy games like Mashup that come will all the cards already. I tend to assume that most consumer bases aren’t irrational, so there must be something appealing about the model.
Part of the fun of TCG is collecting ... | I only really have knowledge of Yu-Gi-Oh out of the popular games so this might be very limited in scope. But part of the mythos of the manga and anime of Yu-Gi-Oh is that some cards are actually rare and in some cases there are only a few in the entire world.
I realize that this doesn't really address the fairplay s... | bcg9wc | CMV: Trading Card Games are a business model that hurts the game's experience more than it helps | The primary reason why I say this is the way cards in TCGs are marketed/distributed/sold, so I just wanna make sure there isn't any misconception about what aspects of these games I'm referring to.
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CMV: It's time for the US to ban the porn industry
The following argument references legislation that is specific to the United States. Discussing bans on pornography in other countries is acceptable, but be aware that the subject of this post is US-focused.
It's time for the US government to ban the porn industry. I... | is there really a difference between a consenting adult who uses their body to make money in porn and a construction worker that uses their body to make money building things? You argue that the working relationship is exploitation but have you ever stayed in a toxic work environment because you couldn't afford to qui... | Just like banning anything else you create a blackmarket. That blackmarket is usually more dangerous than the original market you ban. You can see this with drugs, in the past with alcohol.
And theres the amount of citizens you'll turn into criminals for no real reason. If you think the collateral damage from the "wa... | hnuam1 | CMV: It's time for the US to ban the porn industry | The following argument references legislation that is specific to the United States. Discussing bans on pornography in other countries is acceptable, but be aware that the subject of this post is US-focused.
It's time for the US government to ban the porn industry. I know what you're thinking--that's authoritarian, yo... | BanachTarskiWaluigi | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Bob Dylan is the greatest artist, in any media, of all time.
CMV: In my opinion, Bob Dylan is the greatest artist, in any media, of all time.
I personally believe that all art derives it’s “value” or quality from how it expresses human creativity. I also believe that the more creative freedom an artist has, the ... | The history of recorded music is pretty small portion of all music humans have ever made, what makes you think in the 10k or so years prior to Bob Dylan there weren't better musicians we just dont have recordings of?
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Because he was the first great lyricist, and wrote music during the most pivotal period in the hi... | You continue to compare art to its value to society, which is completely normal. There are also other indicators such as impact on the medium or industry.
First point: Art is impossible to put in a box and define, no matter how much critics want to say so. So therefore artistic mediums and forms continue to be discove... | 1asknch | CMV: Bob Dylan is the greatest artist, in any media, of all time. | CMV: In my opinion, Bob Dylan is the greatest artist, in any media, of all time.
I personally believe that all art derives it’s “value” or quality from how it expresses human creativity. I also believe that the more creative freedom an artist has, the more potential their art has to express this creativity.
And that ... | DeltaBlues82 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: We should have executed every officer/government official in the Confederacy after the civil war
I think many of our nation's problems stem from the fact that reconstruction ended prematurely with the 1876 compromise and former Confederate leaders being put back into positions of power.
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If we had execu... | Since I'm feeling the GoT hype at the moment, I'll lead with a quote from Tywin Lannister:
>when your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet. Elsewise no man will ever bend the knee to you.
If the leaders of the confederacy kne... | Such an action would have ended the peace and the war would have continued. The entire point of the amnesty was to stop hostilities as quickly as possible. The South was not crushed in defeat, they barely surrendered at all and behaving in that manner would have galvanized the war even more strongly.
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I mean - it ... | bchq1c | CMV: We should have executed every officer/government official in the Confederacy after the civil war | I think many of our nation's problems stem from the fact that reconstruction ended prematurely with the 1876 compromise and former Confederate leaders being put back into positions of power.
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If we had executed the leaders of the rebellion, allowed former slaves their 40 acres and a mule, and left the reforms... | jlwob | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Russia will escalate to Nuclear war.
Putin is too prideful to admit defeat, and with the Ukraine invasion going so poorly, and Russia's economy in shambles, there's no other option but to destroy everything; Putin knows his days are numbered either way, and [Russian state media is already disseminating exactly t... | Putin values staying in power far more than taking over Ukraine by nuclear bombs. If he nuked anyone, all of NATO and the world would make sure he no longer remained in power. And he knows it.
There’s no way he wants to give up his powerful position.
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I'm not worried about using a few nukes in Ukraine, I'm worr... | You're assuming the military personnel actually in charge of launching the missiles obey the order to destroy the world.
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That was keeping me going for a while, but if the state propaganda machine is behind this whole "better the whole world die than Russia (Putin) not get what it/he wants" thing, I'm not so sure ... | t2x8rj | CMV: Russia will escalate to Nuclear war. | Putin is too prideful to admit defeat, and with the Ukraine invasion going so poorly, and Russia's economy in shambles, there's no other option but to destroy everything; Putin knows his days are numbered either way, and [Russian state media is already disseminating exactly that message](https://twitter.com/maxseddon/... | EmpoleonDynamite | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: People are more accepting of fat women than fat men.
**Edit: View Changed**
*https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/mkck6o/z/gtfgh8j*
At least on reddit.
You really only need look at the number of people subscribed to subreddits that are dedicated to fat women, and then compare it to the subreddits de... | As far as I'm aware, you're talking about NSFW subreddits, right?
If that's the case, the disparity appears from the fact that there are simply more subs tailored towards a male audience than female.
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Around 1/3 of reddit is women. But r/bbw has 360k subs. While r/BHMgonewild . Why the disproportionate numbers?
... |
>subreddits that are dedicated to fat women, and then compare it to the subreddits dedicated to fat men.
It seems like you're talking about NSFW subs here, right? Have you seen how many porn subs there are for straight men, compared to for women? If there was a single NSFW sub for people interested in fat men, that... | mkck6o | CMV: People are more accepting of fat women than fat men. |
**Edit: View Changed**
*https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/mkck6o/z/gtfgh8j*
At least on reddit.
You really only need look at the number of people subscribed to subreddits that are dedicated to fat women, and then compare it to the subreddits dedicated to fat men.
Now I know there are more men than wom... | HeavyProg | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The majority of government economic disaster relief funds should go directly to the consumer, not to corporations.
Whenever there is a major *economic* disaster (as opposed to the natural kinds), financial fear can spread quickly and cause consumers to scale back spending. Cash flow dries up and the economy grind... | I generally agree with you and you may not even reject this point, but the consumers won’t really distribute their money to some industries in any real way. If you give each family a thousand dollars, that money will certainly go to help some food sellers (supermarkets especially) and some would probably go to whatever... | Hypothetical:
A town in rural West Virginia has been built up around a coal mine. The coal vein runs dry. Since there's no more coal to mine the corporation wants to pull out of the town, leaving the workers (who don't want to relocate) unable to find work.
Do you prefer paying the man a fish every day or paying the ... | fnkhw2 | CMV: The majority of government economic disaster relief funds should go directly to the consumer, not to corporations. | Whenever there is a major *economic* disaster (as opposed to the natural kinds), financial fear can spread quickly and cause consumers to scale back spending. Cash flow dries up and the economy grinds to a halt. Governments can jumpstart the economy by appropriating funds and injecting liquidity, which acts like financ... | jimngo | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Showing walmart employees reciepts is not hard
Just saw a post on a different subreddit about an employee raging over a customer refusing to show their receipt.
Now I'm not saying the employee in said video is right for flipping out obviously but I understand if their boss gives them a hard time about having to ... | They need to make up their minds. Check all receipts at the door or don’t check any. I have no problem giving Costco employees my receipt because they check all receipts at the door. I don’t like being called out and spot checked at Walmart; it’s humiliating and it’s inconvenient and it genuinely makes me nervous to wa... | [deleted]
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Well get the receipt back incase you need to return something lol.
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[deleted] | wfrdy7 | CMV: Showing walmart employees reciepts is not hard | Just saw a post on a different subreddit about an employee raging over a customer refusing to show their receipt.
Now I'm not saying the employee in said video is right for flipping out obviously but I understand if their boss gives them a hard time about having to check receipts.
Really its the bosses problem, im no... | clamp_juice | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: We should be electing two governments, one for social issues and one for economics
As the title says, I believe that if we divided governments into two parts, it would be beneficial for everyone of us.
My main reasons for believing this is:
- We could separate our economic, social and political (For political I... | >In my idea, there could not be any crossover between economic and social parties: this would make parties less divided and much more focused on their objectives, without the need to balance social politics and economics.
The social party decides to eliminate the homeless problem by building everyone homes.
The ec... | [deleted]
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I'd put it in the economic issues, but I see how this could change from people to people. | 11n216p | CMV: We should be electing two governments, one for social issues and one for economics | As the title says, I believe that if we divided governments into two parts, it would be beneficial for everyone of us.
My main reasons for believing this is:
- We could separate our economic, social and political (For political I mean things like foreign politics) beliefs, so that someone who is, for example, sociall... | GeneraleArmando | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: Definition of fascism is being used incorrectly. Both right and left can be fascist because both can subjugate the individual to group values (and often do).
fascism: [a political philosophy, that exalts \[the group\] above the individual](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism)
socialism: [collectiv... | Can we use the full definition of fascism you reference?
>a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, *severe economic and social regimentation*,... | First thing that comes to mind for me -- how do you know you have the "correct" definition of fascism?
It seems as though your entire argument depends on the meaning of one word, which isn't objective.
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I really dont. Is there better than Websters?
Not sure i understand what you mean about "one word" not obj... | t2ru6g | CMV: Definition of fascism is being used incorrectly. Both right and left can be fascist because both can subjugate the individual to group values (and often do). | fascism: [a political philosophy, that exalts \[the group\] above the individual](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism)
socialism: [collective or governmental ownership](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)
capitalism: [system characterized by private ... ownership](https://www.merriam-... | youbetterkeepwalking | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Definition of fascism is being used incorrectly. Both right and left can be fascist because both can subjugate the individual to group values (and often do).
fascism: [a political philosophy, that exalts \[the group\] above the individual](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism)
socialism: [collectiv... | >Webster's viewpoint is over centuries and is more objective, while wikipedia's is over a MUCH shorter period and shows just the prevailing zeitgeist understanding.
I don't really understand what you're saying with this. Webster's dictionary might be over a century old, but fascism really isn't. It was invented as a... | Can we use the full definition of fascism you reference?
>a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, *severe economic and social regimentation*,... | t2ru6g | CMV: Definition of fascism is being used incorrectly. Both right and left can be fascist because both can subjugate the individual to group values (and often do). | fascism: [a political philosophy, that exalts \[the group\] above the individual](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism)
socialism: [collective or governmental ownership](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)
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CMV: Pedophiles Shouldn’t Be Getting So Much Hate
DISCLAIMER: I am in no way advocating pedophila, if this is a sensitive topic for you then maybe don’t read this post. Also please be respectful, thank you.
The hate pedophiles get has been bothering me for months. And when I say pedophiles I don’t mean the people who... | When pedophiles are treated as more acceptable, it gives them more confidence, which could lead to sex crimes. I'm sure a lot of pedophiles feel ashamed and isolate themselves and don't hurt anyone. But, that shame and isolation helps keep them from going out and hurting others. If we decided to just treat it collectiv... | [removed]
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Better imprison all those video gamers then, since they seem to enjoy thoughts of killing people so much.
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Not even remotely equitable. Most people don’t get sexual satisfaction from the thought of shooting someone, like a pedophile doe... | 8ywt3x | CMV: Pedophiles Shouldn’t Be Getting So Much Hate | DISCLAIMER: I am in no way advocating pedophila, if this is a sensitive topic for you then maybe don’t read this post. Also please be respectful, thank you.
The hate pedophiles get has been bothering me for months. And when I say pedophiles I don’t mean the people who act on their urges, of course that is fucked up (b... | someone-who | 11 | 11 | [
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CMV: There is no point to going on vacation if you do it with a young child.
First, the kid will never remember anything before they turn five, and very little before they turn ten. You're not giving them anything beyond the trip itself. But more to the point of a vacation, it's not fun for the parents. Imagine this w... | Are you seriously trying to imply that all children cry 100% percent of the time? Because that's sorta how this reads? Your view seems rooted in the fact that all kids are screaming brats 100% of the time. Which is blatantly false.
Let's say the kid is crying, we roll up to the grand canyon. Is it any less beautiful ... | I'm a parent with a 7 year old and we've done 2-3 vacations a year since he was born. All were awesome and nothing like you describe here.
You didn't state what would change your view so I can only offer my anecdote.
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How? Most people that say that in my experience have someone to hand the kid off to for 90% of t... | z3szhe | CMV: There is no point to going on vacation if you do it with a young child. | First, the kid will never remember anything before they turn five, and very little before they turn ten. You're not giving them anything beyond the trip itself. But more to the point of a vacation, it's not fun for the parents. Imagine this with me for a moment. You load the screaming brat into a car, and then maybe in... | [deleted] | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It would be good to use genetic engineering on male fetuses to raise the average penis size to one that's more desirable and acceptable to society.
This would either be done by manipulating the small penis genes on a fetus, or more perhaps more easily, identifying the fetus that will have a smaller penis for abor... | What about those who like small cocks? What about the horrible pandoras box that opens?
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One is possible, the other isn't. How do you get society to not laugh and mock small penises?
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The same way you get people to not fat shame, the same way you get people to move away from unrealistic beauty standar... | t2rcik | CMV: It would be good to use genetic engineering on male fetuses to raise the average penis size to one that's more desirable and acceptable to society. | This would either be done by manipulating the small penis genes on a fetus, or more perhaps more easily, identifying the fetus that will have a smaller penis for abortion, and raising the average penis size that way.
I know most people will look at this eugenic and bad, but I can see a lot of benefit for both men and ... | skywater101 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: the left and right should be seen and treated as equal political standpoints
I am extremely centrist. I will defend a nazi in the public court as strongly as a communist, but the way I see it, the communist wouldn’t need defending in the public eye. Conservative views and conservatives are far more likely to be u... | > Opinions should be respected no matter where they stand. Because we need to respect humans.
I won't respect a human/opinion if that human/opinion doesn't respect me. It has to be a two-way street.
> We should actively try to convince those people that those ideas are hurtful.
I'm not going to debate my own life an... | The most radically left members of Congress, such as AOC, Bernie, etc. want to give Trump voters free healthcare, tax the 1%, and build solar technology. The most radical right members of Congress push QAnon conspiracy theories and tried to overturn the results of a democratically valid presidential election.
​... | mk2lzg | CMV: the left and right should be seen and treated as equal political standpoints | I am extremely centrist. I will defend a nazi in the public court as strongly as a communist, but the way I see it, the communist wouldn’t need defending in the public eye. Conservative views and conservatives are far more likely to be unpopular and while I don’t agree with the right, now the left, I don’t understand w... | DoctorBonkus | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: There's no reason to believe God is omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent
First off: for the sake of this CMV we're assuming the judeochristian God exists and the bible is His word translated through mortals.
So there's something called "The Problem with evil" which is basically the paradox of how evil and ... | the best way I could see these all coalescing together is if we accept the idea of Determinism: God created the world, knowing what his creation would do, and then left it to run its course. He could still be all powerful, but understand that for the purpose in which we were all create to achieve fruition, it needs to ... | The bible says in 1 John 3:20 that God knows "all things", hence he's omniscient.
It says in Isaiah 44:24 that he is the creator of all things, hence he's omnipotent.
And 2 Timothy 3:14-17 says that all scripture is inspired by God.
So, the bottom line is, if you're going to start your post by saying we're assuming ... | bc25d6 | CMV: There's no reason to believe God is omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent | First off: for the sake of this CMV we're assuming the judeochristian God exists and the bible is His word translated through mortals.
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CMV: "consent" is fetishized to the point of losing it's meaning
edit: Some people got the wrong idea from the post, so before you read, I'm basically for the legal status quo in the described issues with regard to actual punishments and whatnot. My point is just about words.
Don't get me wrong, basing a legal system... | Asking a clarifying question: **Your premise doesn't seem to fit the title.** Could you try to reconcile the following disparity?
The title is: *"consent" is fetishized to the point of losing it's meaning*
The body is an explanation of different ways the word consent is used in a legal context, and points out that ot... | Implied consent exists (to my knowledge) almost exclusively in medicine. You used a suicide by intentional overdose as a violation of someone's rights when resuscitative measures are taken. Why not just cardiac arrest? Literally every person in cardiac arrest (of any etiology) in or out of hospital will now be left to ... | fne56b | CMV: "consent" is fetishized to the point of losing it's meaning | edit: Some people got the wrong idea from the post, so before you read, I'm basically for the legal status quo in the described issues with regard to actual punishments and whatnot. My point is just about words.
Don't get me wrong, basing a legal system on consent seems like a good idea. But we have to recognize that ... | LeagueOfResearch | 9 | 9 | [
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CMV: Coddling people too much hurts their ability to lead healthy adult lives
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That’s awesome. A very difficult thing to overcome. You should be very proud of yourself | fnd6at | CMV: Coddling people too much hurts their ability to lead healthy adult lives | I was perusing twitter the other day and came across an adult baby (meaning a male, late twenties to early thirties, dressed in a jumper and dawning a pacifier). He spoke like a baby and typed how I would imagine an infant would type. All the comments on his posts were like "oh you're so cute baby! Have fun playing wit... | simp694200 | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: Recent legislation proposed in Oregon and San Francisco is proof that progressives are becoming way too radical
It's funny, because since I last posted here how many ever months ago I've actually moved further left on almost every issue. But it seems like the left is moving *again* and given some of the recent pr... | >The second proposal is San Francisco's "make every black person an overnight millionaire" reparations proposal which has advanced in recent months.
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There are two recent proposals that stand out to me. The ... | ICuriosityCatI | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Unless you are a white supremacist, there is no white identity.
Caucasians arent a monolith; they extend from Europe to india. There are Hundreds of different cultures, And Hundereds of different traditions.
Even in europe, the modern "white" there are dozens of different groups.
So whats the white cultural ide... | One reason “white culture” in America is so hard to see is because it is largely considered normal. It’s the whole “fish don’t know they’re in water” idea. Think about traditions we have for how you act in a professional setting, what you wear, what kind of hairstyles are acceptable, who gets to talk when in a convers... | Would you view hold true if you swapped that with any other race?
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In the case of asians, yes. Not only that, ive never heard of asian supremacy.
In the case of blacks, again, hundereds of cultures in africa, hundereds of different identities, and only in the USA does anything like that exist.
And blacks in the ... | op0gja | CMV: Unless you are a white supremacist, there is no white identity. | Caucasians arent a monolith; they extend from Europe to india. There are Hundreds of different cultures, And Hundereds of different traditions.
Even in europe, the modern "white" there are dozens of different groups.
So whats the white cultural identity? Its not really there. And that makes sense because there is no ... | GrouchoChicoMarx | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: In the popular consciousness, the word "fascism" has been warped so badly that it now carries little to none of its true meaning. This distortion is problematic.
For the past two years or so I've been getting more and more concerned by the number of people throwing around the words "fascism" and "fascist" seeming... | For reference, what’s your definition of fascism
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Fascism requires an “out group” to rally people in the “in group” against. The only side... | z3bue0 | CMV: In the popular consciousness, the word "fascism" has been warped so badly that it now carries little to none of its true meaning. This distortion is problematic. | For the past two years or so I've been getting more and more concerned by the number of people throwing around the words "fascism" and "fascist" seemingly at everyone and everything that doesn't fit their own politics.
In recent years I've read posts from loads of people (mostly left-leaning) hurling this term at cons... | Joe___Bob | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Women's retirement age should be higher than men's
In many countries the retirement age for men is higher than for women and in some the retirement age is equal.
The reasoning for my suggestion is pretty simple, on average women live longer than men and thus logically they should also retire later, either by abo... | Retirement age has next to nothing to do with how long you will live. It has to do with how long you are expected to physically and mentally be capable you are of contributing to society.
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Are ... | The age of retirement has nothing to do with when you are going to die.
It has to do with how many years you contribute to society. Why should women have to contribute to society for more years?
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Because they get more back from society in the form ... | 8yudlj | CMV: Women's retirement age should be higher than men's | In many countries the retirement age for men is higher than for women and in some the retirement age is equal.
The reasoning for my suggestion is pretty simple, on average women live longer than men and thus logically they should also retire later, either by about the same amount they live longer on average or rather ... | SoftGas | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: America should have totally open borders with only one exception.
My view is that america should have completely open borders to almost any one who is "yearning to breathe free" who wants to come in. Why is it fair to deny people who simply want to be able to freely move to another country? Why are people so cru... | The issue people usually run into first with this:
> No pedophiles, rapists, murderers or other nasty criminals. I'm sure that every good and moral person could agree that we do not want people like that.
Is how we properly vet everyone coming in to avoid these types if we have a policy like this:
> My view is that ... | The current crisis at the border has nothing to do with racism. It's about national security. Even if every immigrant that wanted in was allowed in they still need to be processed. You can't just fling open the border with no controls because you see tons of dangerous drugs, coyotes working for drug cartels and loads o... | wfhj6p | CMV: America should have totally open borders with only one exception. | My view is that america should have completely open borders to almost any one who is "yearning to breathe free" who wants to come in. Why is it fair to deny people who simply want to be able to freely move to another country? Why are people so cruel to immigrants?
Again, why are many people so cruel in their heart to... | Fire-Watch | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I have an objection against most interpretation of the argument of change, and the first premise of the Kalam cosmological argument doesn‘t make sense to me.
I originally mistook the Kalam for the argument of change seeing how objected, that the beginning of the universe is also the beginning of time and thus can... | I think it'd be very helpful to reference the version of Kalam you're using. As far as I understand it the Kalam goes
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2. The universe began to exist
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.
I don't see how you get from there to anything you've said and s... | The problem with "everything that begins to exist has a cause" is that I'm not aware of anything that ever "began" to exist. Everything from pandas to people (heh, pardon the pun) is made from previously existing material
"Began to exist" would mean "something spontaneously manifested not having been made of existin... | 1bs52dp | CMV: I have an objection against most interpretation of the argument of change, and the first premise of the Kalam cosmological argument doesn‘t make sense to me. | I originally mistook the Kalam for the argument of change seeing how objected, that the beginning of the universe is also the beginning of time and thus can‘t have a temporal cause. This can be rather applied to the actualizer argument, saying that actualization needs time, so nothing could actualized the beginning of ... | Nie_Nin-4210_427 | 7 | 4 | [
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CMV: Only taxpayers should get relief checks
I am thinking of two scenarios. In the first scenario we have Joe. Joe had lived in his parents' basement without a job for years. Joe hasn't ever contributed financially to his household. Secondly, we have steve. Steve is homeless.
Both of these people have zero inc... | More then 44% of people don't pay federal income tax, so yes it would dramatically increase the amount per person but not in the way you wanted.
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In the first case, if they were fine before the pandemic... | fn6el0 | CMV: Only taxpayers should get relief checks | I am thinking of two scenarios. In the first scenario we have Joe. Joe had lived in his parents' basement without a job for years. Joe hasn't ever contributed financially to his household. Secondly, we have steve. Steve is homeless.
Both of these people have zero income from work. Both of these people were doin... | Zskills | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: the fact that the term “incel” has now evolved to mean specifically a small sub group of involuntary celibates who are resentful and hateful etc - should have everyone enraged.
Let’s be very clear. Incel is short for involuntary celibate. Meaning you are celibate (don’t have sex) and that it’s involuntary (meanin... | >And why isn’t everyone up in arms about it?
Really? We need to be up in arms about a bunch of misogynistic asses being thought of as misogynistic asses?
Also, this is your second post today defending the poor innocent incels so maybe stop 'but I'm not an incel!!!' all over.
The shift from the original use of the... | Does the term 'virgin' fit the original definition that you describe? If you really need to qualify involuntary, then you are approaching the actual definition of incel, and that's part of the point.
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Really why?
No wait I thought I had it but this comment confused me again. Why is calling it involuntarily make ... | 11mbxpa | CMV: the fact that the term “incel” has now evolved to mean specifically a small sub group of involuntary celibates who are resentful and hateful etc - should have everyone enraged. | Let’s be very clear. Incel is short for involuntary celibate. Meaning you are celibate (don’t have sex) and that it’s involuntary (meaning you didn’t choose to have it that way. You want to have sexual connections but for whatever reason can’t)
So just today, chatting on a different post, I learned that incel now off... | newsround1234 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Affirmative action based on any category protected by law sets a dangerous precedent and should be abolished
[Here](https://www.eeoc.gov/discrimination-type) is a list of categories protected by law according to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC).
While affirmative action has great intention... | I understand your concern, but ultimately a solution that is focused only on economic status will continue to carry over the existing disparities, in this case economic disparities along racial demographics. I think it's important to remember that these disparities weren't just caused by natural economic forces, but by... | Let’s imagine you have a team of 100s of entry level widget makers at your company. They are all of the same socio-economic status. After all, they all work for you, they all make the same salary and benefits, etc.
You need to pick someone to promote to mid-level, so you always pick the white male. Then, when i... | wfcuev | CMV: Affirmative action based on any category protected by law sets a dangerous precedent and should be abolished | [Here](https://www.eeoc.gov/discrimination-type) is a list of categories protected by law according to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC).
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CMV: There is no compelling argument for why we should not become vegetarians
We know that factory farming inflicts ungodly amounts of suffering on living conscious creatures. That pigs and chickens and cows don't experience suffering is a stupid argument to me; we know that these creatures cry out in pain when struck... | >Therefore, since I am not hunting my own food, and since I can afford non-meat foods, there is no compelling moral argument for me or anyone of the millions of humans in my position, to continue eating meat.
So if you're hunting then it's okay, meaning you don't "have" to be a vegetarian?
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No, but also who is go... | I think the big underlying problem is that I, and many others, don’t particularly value animals suffering. Like they aren’t people, why should I care? You reference hell, and from a biblical perspective especially humans are the only moral patients; not animals.
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CMV: Gender as a social construct is essentially just describing personality and we focus on it too much. (Simplified)
I get the differentiation between sex and gender and am not interested in discussing it unless you have a connection to the topic at hand.
Gender is a social construct in the sense that whatever thin... | I'll be honest with you, I've read what you wrote twice and it makes no sense. I'm not even sure what point you're even trying to make.
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Perhaps I didn't get it across clear enough.
My point is more that I don't see the need for any labels at all, outside of an academic setting, because there's no point to it. Yo... | I am not exactly sure what your argument is here, but if I understand you rightly you seem to be arguing against labels of some sort, because in your view the idea of having a single word to label someone's gender identity is less preferable to them describing their personality in some other (presumably longer/more det... | hnla10 | CMV: Gender as a social construct is essentially just describing personality and we focus on it too much. (Simplified) | I get the differentiation between sex and gender and am not interested in discussing it unless you have a connection to the topic at hand.
Gender is a social construct in the sense that whatever things are considered masculine or feminine (or whatever else) are influenced by cultures and therefore vary across them (pr... | Davor_Penguin | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The semaglutide craze is going to evetually lead to an opioid-like health crisis
This has been bothering me for a while and I want to know if I'm missing something here. Right now though, no matter how I look at I'm convinced that the push of Ozempic/Wegovy and similar GLP1 drugs is going to end in a public heal... | This may be one of those times where the health benefit of finally losing all that weight vastly outweighs the minor health issues associated with stopping taking the medicine.
Personally, I look at weight gain as a bit of a death-spiral, catch-22 feeling situation for a lot of people. It starts to add up slowly over... | I don't understand, and you don't explain, how it'd be in any way like the opioid crisis. It's not addictive. It's not an overdose risk.
>Every one of these details leads me to believe this semeglutide craze will lead to a massive public health crisis on the level of opioid. The hallmarks are all there: a supposed mi... | 1excrxx | CMV: The semaglutide craze is going to evetually lead to an opioid-like health crisis | This has been bothering me for a while and I want to know if I'm missing something here. Right now though, no matter how I look at I'm convinced that the push of Ozempic/Wegovy and similar GLP1 drugs is going to end in a public health crisis in the vein of opioid.
Everything I see about these drugs is overwhelmingly ... | shiningdialga13 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Bisexuality/pansexuality is the most privileged sexual orientation, not hetereosexuality
Background: 21m pansexual/bisexual and I feel *very* privileged, even more so than hetereosexuals.
(1) We can date both men and women, 2x chance to get a partner. **DELTAED**: Less than double but still increased chance to ... | > In a homosexual-unfriendly environment i can pretend to be straight
Having part of your identity surpressed by society in some circumstances should give you an idea on how privilige really works.
If you have to hide a part of your identity and pretend you're soley another part for the sake of security, that othe... | > 1) We can date both men and women, 2x chance to get a partner.
Not really, most of the people of your own gender are straight, so they wouldn't date you.
> 2) In a homosexual-unfriendly environment i can pretend to be straight. In a too politically correct environment i can use our social capital of being part of t... | 13dnpci | CMV: Bisexuality/pansexuality is the most privileged sexual orientation, not hetereosexuality | Background: 21m pansexual/bisexual and I feel *very* privileged, even more so than hetereosexuals.
(1) We can date both men and women, 2x chance to get a partner. **DELTAED**: Less than double but still increased chance to find a partner.
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CMV: gobbledegook business language exists only to cover the fact that the people using it aren't smart.
Critical to most communication in business is conveying a message that can be easily understood by a wide audience. For example, if you want to introduce a process to workers, it is vital that the instructions prov... | It depends. Language is meant to convey a message to a *target audience*. If your target audience is lay-people, then of course it should be simple and easy to understand. However, if you started reading some niche research paper on "retail driven options volatility dislocation" then of course they're going to use lots... | Can you give us an example of the type of language you are talking about?
Much of the "gobbledegook business language" actually _is_ understood by people in management functions. Things like "synergy" get a bad wrap, but executives know what you mean when you use that word. Similarly, telling someone to "table a dis... | wf9kro | CMV: gobbledegook business language exists only to cover the fact that the people using it aren't smart. | Critical to most communication in business is conveying a message that can be easily understood by a wide audience. For example, if you want to introduce a process to workers, it is vital that the instructions provided can be understood with little effort.
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CMV: People on Reddit shouldn’t be called racist got discussing potentially controversial race based issues
**Got should say for**
So I made a post the other day about rappers and diamonds, and I will agree my views were off on the topic and a few nice people wrote out some informative comments that led me to underst... | Racism is ascribing qualities or characteristics to a group of people based on their real or perceived race. It is not necessarily about "superiority".
So with that out of the way, what sort of "controversial race based issues" are you talking about?
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Although the definition of racism does states applying charact... | To the contrary, it's actually very productive to call out racism, and this post itself is an example of how productive it is. By calling you out on your racism, people get you to think about it, to reflect on it. Ideally, this starts a process in which you eventually realize that you have been acting racist, you resol... | fn0g3s | CMV: People on Reddit shouldn’t be called racist got discussing potentially controversial race based issues | **Got should say for**
So I made a post the other day about rappers and diamonds, and I will agree my views were off on the topic and a few nice people wrote out some informative comments that led me to understand my faulty thinking.
Now, IMO that is the whole point of this sub. Discuss controversial issues with smar... | revealthetits | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Government shouldn't be able to force you to vaccinate your kids.
Now, let me start off by saying I 100% agree you should vaccinate your kids. My cousin is antivax, and she knows how much I detest her decision. I think it's you're an idiot for not vaccinating your kids, and I know there is no harm in vaccination... | What do you mean by force? And is there any government currently forcing anyone to vaccienate their children?
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Fairly certain NY just passed a bill forcing a certain vaccination, or $1000 fine.
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So you can accept the fine and not get vaccinated? Isn't this the equivalent of taxing people 1000$ for not doing... | The government can force you not to abuse your children. Not vaccinating is a form or abuse. Therefore the government can force you to vaccinate your children.
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When a 13 year old says "I'm transgender" and you believe transgenderism is a mental disorder, so rather than provide hormone blockers you provide your ch... | bbsaxs | CMV: Government shouldn't be able to force you to vaccinate your kids. | Now, let me start off by saying I 100% agree you should vaccinate your kids. My cousin is antivax, and she knows how much I detest her decision. I think it's you're an idiot for not vaccinating your kids, and I know there is no harm in vaccinations.
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CMV: Legalizing the cloning of humans could and should be the go to solution for low fertility rates in developed countries.
Okay, with developed countries, they usually have low fertility rates due to a number of factors such as rising costs which could be compounded with cultural issues such as in Japan and South Ko... | First off we are super overpopulated right now. But even if we manage to get to underpopulation by some miracle, why cloning rather than sperm/egg donation?
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Clones have not been properly ... | >have low fertility rates due to a number of factors such as rising costs
>To solve this, human cloning should be the go to answer.
It appears that you hold the same view as me, that the main driver of lower birth rates is the rising cost of having children.
On this basis, cloning would only make sense if it was ch... | 13dlwlk | CMV: Legalizing the cloning of humans could and should be the go to solution for low fertility rates in developed countries. | Okay, with developed countries, they usually have low fertility rates due to a number of factors such as rising costs which could be compounded with cultural issues such as in Japan and South Korea. Soft tactics such as subsidies for childcare and parternity leave have varied effects depending on culture.
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CMV: the social contract is not a real thing
What is the social contract? The [social contract, according to Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract), is the agreement to do certain actions, follow certain customs, and give up certain freedoms in exchange for living and benefiting from society and the... | You've I think unwittingly highlighted the distinction yourself already; it's not a **legal** contract, it's a **social** one. Your points about limitations on legal contracts are all true, but they simply don't apply to social contracts. The entire point of social contract theory is that the contract *is not externall... | So ur whole useless point is that legal terms shouldn’t be used when they aren’t 100 percent accurate?
That’s just pathetic and a useless argument. Not to mention that u can leave society search for a new one and be happy over there.
Till ur paying taxes u bassicly do nothing that is bad for u, just like a child is... | mjt5te | CMV: the social contract is not a real thing | What is the social contract? The [social contract, according to Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract), is the agreement to do certain actions, follow certain customs, and give up certain freedoms in exchange for living and benefiting from society and the protection of the state. That's a pretty good... | Teutonic_Action | 15 | 13 | [
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Cmv: there is no such thing as evil.
See a lot of it on reddit lately.
"*so and so* are evil"
"*doing X* is evil"
I just dont get how the idea of evil could be anything other then a matter of perspective. Usually what they mean is "selfish" or "malicious" but those are not evil or necessarily bad.
I would prefer ... | Then what does the word “evil” *actually* refer to when we use it?
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An innate quality of amorality
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Not necessarily innate. I looked the word up and it says "morally reprehensible." That doesn't mean it has to be objective. Something can be subjectively "morally reprehensible" depending on who the person is. ... | If you agree there is such thing as "bad", then there's such thing as "evil". Evil is just a more severe word for bad.
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I see "bad" as having an implicit "for X"
When I say this fish is bad, what I mean is it is bad to eat, or smell, or serve.
Where as evil is an absolute. This is no this fish is evil for eatin... | fn1zv0 | Cmv: there is no such thing as evil. | See a lot of it on reddit lately.
"*so and so* are evil"
"*doing X* is evil"
I just dont get how the idea of evil could be anything other then a matter of perspective. Usually what they mean is "selfish" or "malicious" but those are not evil or necessarily bad.
I would prefer my girlfriend not kiss anyone but me, ... | Fatgaytrump | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The US debt ceiling should not be raised without large reforms to federal spending.
I believe this is a current Republican talking point, but that is only relevant to the timing of this post.
The debt is currently over $30 trillion, which equates to $90k per citizen and $250k per taxpayer (rounded). That's more ... | why cut spending rather than increase revenue?
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I'm going to assume you make <$10 million per year. Why aren't you spending $10 million every year? If you "don't have enough money" why not just increase revenue?
I think increasing revenue is a valid way to get to the black, but I'm not sure how much it could real... | OP, us having debt is...a good thing. Let me ask you this:
Who owns the vast majority of the US debt?
You answer that and once you realize who does it should show you that the debt isn't a measure of how irresponsible we are. It's a measure of how large our economy is. Paying off that debt is impossible and a terribl... | 13dfsfu | CMV: The US debt ceiling should not be raised without large reforms to federal spending. | I believe this is a current Republican talking point, but that is only relevant to the timing of this post.
The debt is currently over $30 trillion, which equates to $90k per citizen and $250k per taxpayer (rounded). That's more than the average mortgage, and mortgages take 20-30 years to pay off. However, rather than... | the_brightest_prize | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Most people who use and make their whole personality around gender and what to be called is doing it for attention
So as the title says. I belive that people who make up a bunch of genders and go online is not actually feeling this, and have a hard time being missgendered irl. I see it as they are in 99% of cases... | Can you give some examples of what you're talking about? I'm trans and I'm also a therapist who works primarily with trans people, so I have quite a lot of expertise on this topic and could likely help you understand what you're trying to understand here, but I don't know what you mean by "people who make up a bunch of... | Let's start creating a person personality.
They like cooking at home; That's feminine trait. Like dresses and makeup; Again feminine. Like dancing; Feminine trait. Add gardening, yoga and horseback riding.
Now add some feminine personality traits like supportiveness, gentleness, warmth and affection.
That's pretty g... | 11lvb6x | CMV: Most people who use and make their whole personality around gender and what to be called is doing it for attention | So as the title says. I belive that people who make up a bunch of genders and go online is not actually feeling this, and have a hard time being missgendered irl. I see it as they are in 99% of cases just despereate for attention and just want to feel like they are not just a sack of flesh who can think and are worth n... | xhors12 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: We NEED To Stop Putting the Founding Fathers on Pedestals!
This came to mind because of the recent addition of Hamilton to Disney+. I’ve been a fan for a long time, but hearing the somewhat minor backlash made me think of this.
I remember in elementary school we always talked about the founding fathers like the... | Just so you understand, if you judge figures from the past by modern moral standards theres not really anyone who will past muster. So basically we wont be able to put any figures from 50-100+ years ago "on pedestals." Even figures who are widely regarded as paragons, like MLK or Gandhi, wouldnt pass this test.
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T... | >or “it was just a different time.”
But it was. You can't project modern morals on people who where born almost 300 years ago.
Their push for democracy ended up being on the most most positive actions in human history, by a wide margin. They founded a democracy in a world dominated by monarchy, and unlike in France, ... | hn9e0s | CMV: We NEED To Stop Putting the Founding Fathers on Pedestals! | This came to mind because of the recent addition of Hamilton to Disney+. I’ve been a fan for a long time, but hearing the somewhat minor backlash made me think of this.
I remember in elementary school we always talked about the founding fathers like they were these ancient super heroes, more than just men. We never t... | carsonc02 | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: We NEED To Stop Putting the Founding Fathers on Pedestals!
This came to mind because of the recent addition of Hamilton to Disney+. I’ve been a fan for a long time, but hearing the somewhat minor backlash made me think of this.
I remember in elementary school we always talked about the founding fathers like the... | I think having secular "saints" is as useful as having secular "demons" in a society.
It's a good thing that we have people that we can reference as the incarnation of human evil - like Hitler.
It doesn't matter at all for society at large whether the historical Hitler was somehow a complicated man who did some bad t... | Just so you understand, if you judge figures from the past by modern moral standards theres not really anyone who will past muster. So basically we wont be able to put any figures from 50-100+ years ago "on pedestals." Even figures who are widely regarded as paragons, like MLK or Gandhi, wouldnt pass this test.
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I remember in elementary school we always talked about the founding fathers like they were these ancient super heroes, more than just men. We never t... | carsonc02 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Hate speech should not be a crime unless specific threats are made
I consider myself both left and libertarian leaning. I think Affirmative Action is a good idea for the most part, I don't take a hardline stance against illegal immigration (if anything, I think the borders should be protected but it should be muc... | For the most part I agree with you. The only thing I'm trying to change your view on is how specific a threat must be to not be protected speech, specifically your example "kill all the (insert group here)"
Think of it this way, all speech is protected because it is a human right. Nobody can take away anyone else's hu... | I agree that all humans have the right to inform and that, in general, the content of all speech should not be policed by government (outside of cases of libel). However, often with hate speech, the intent is not to inform but to harm others even if they don't directly threaten others. I think that in some of the cases... | 8ypyds | CMV: Hate speech should not be a crime unless specific threats are made | I consider myself both left and libertarian leaning. I think Affirmative Action is a good idea for the most part, I don't take a hardline stance against illegal immigration (if anything, I think the borders should be protected but it should be much easier to immigrate legally than it is now, and families should not be ... | aretheyaliens | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: A Flat Tax on Goods would generate more money for the U.S. Government and also benefit citizens.
I have always found the federal income tax and the tax code to be a cumbersome way of doing things. Essentially it limits the spending throughout the year of people. Not only am I taxed more for the more money I make,... | Flat taxes are regressive and always hurt the poor. They end up paying a larger part of the money they need to survive on the tax rather than the things they need to survive. This can result in them going without food, without power, without medical treatments, and even becoming homeless.
Flat taxes are not fair beca... | I see two issues right off the bat:
1) It's going to hurt spending. Raising prices mean businesses sell fewer products/services and that REALLY hurts the overall economy. Think of the margins a restaurant operates on. This means some % of people won't visit, and that alone will cause many to close.
2) What about a... | 828why | CMV: A Flat Tax on Goods would generate more money for the U.S. Government and also benefit citizens. | I have always found the federal income tax and the tax code to be a cumbersome way of doing things. Essentially it limits the spending throughout the year of people. Not only am I taxed more for the more money I make, my refund is one lump sum. Having that spread out over the year in a paycheck would make budgeting a l... | Chaulmers | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: Texting Ruins Personal Relationships
Heya CMV.
I didn't mean to write an essay on this, but I wanted to include each of my individual reasons for this belief so that people can prod and poke accordingly.
The title sorta says it all, but here are specific reasons why I believe texting ruins our personal relation... | I've been married for 30 years. We didn't even have cell phones when we got married. Texting has had absolutely zero negative impact on our relationship.
Texting is just another method of communication in the tool box. If someone is incompetent in knowing how/when to use which tool, there's bound to be problems.
Tex... | Is this limited to relationships where texting is the primary means of communication?
What if it is only used to get quick answers to things like "what time is that thing" or "need anything from the store"?
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No, this goes for all relationships where texting is generally used to communicate their feeling/ideas.
-... | xr8oyd | CMV: Texting Ruins Personal Relationships | Heya CMV.
I didn't mean to write an essay on this, but I wanted to include each of my individual reasons for this belief so that people can prod and poke accordingly.
The title sorta says it all, but here are specific reasons why I believe texting ruins our personal relationships:
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CMV: Texting Ruins Personal Relationships
Heya CMV.
I didn't mean to write an essay on this, but I wanted to include each of my individual reasons for this belief so that people can prod and poke accordingly.
The title sorta says it all, but here are specific reasons why I believe texting ruins our personal relation... | Pretty much everything you said is the the opposite of the truth.
>Lying is easier with texting...If a person lies to me, it would be much more difficult to spot any inconsistencies as opposed to if I were speaking to them in person.
If a person lies to me over text, it is much _easier_ to spot inconsistencies becaus... | Is this limited to relationships where texting is the primary means of communication?
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-... | xr8oyd | CMV: Texting Ruins Personal Relationships | Heya CMV.
I didn't mean to write an essay on this, but I wanted to include each of my individual reasons for this belief so that people can prod and poke accordingly.
The title sorta says it all, but here are specific reasons why I believe texting ruins our personal relationships:
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CMV: Texting Ruins Personal Relationships
Heya CMV.
I didn't mean to write an essay on this, but I wanted to include each of my individual reasons for this belief so that people can prod and poke accordingly.
The title sorta says it all, but here are specific reasons why I believe texting ruins our personal relation... | I've been married for 30 years. We didn't even have cell phones when we got married. Texting has had absolutely zero negative impact on our relationship.
Texting is just another method of communication in the tool box. If someone is incompetent in knowing how/when to use which tool, there's bound to be problems.
Tex... | So this applies to all written communication? Emails, letters, novels etc?
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Ok and what makes phones uniquely bad compared to laptops, desktops, tablets etc?
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I would like to know as well. I have a few methods of communications with friends and family: text messa... | xr8oyd | CMV: Texting Ruins Personal Relationships | Heya CMV.
I didn't mean to write an essay on this, but I wanted to include each of my individual reasons for this belief so that people can prod and poke accordingly.
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CMV: The Roman/Greek worship by the KKK and White nationalists today would be the same logic as Black/Jewish people idolizing Nazis or American Slavery 2000 years in the future
I'm going to base my view on an analogy. I've been thinking about a skit I'd like to do with my friends online to make fun of KKK/White Suprem... | >What they tend to ignore is how brutal these past people, especially the Romans, were to barbarians. Barbarians were actually old european societies, IDK if they were hunter-gatherers or not but they were vulnerable natives, to put it in my thoughts. Feel free to oppose that.
The KKK isn't exactly fundamentally oppos... | Romans and Greeks developed philosophies of knowledge and law that laid the foundations for the societies and cultures we have now.
Nazis and the KKK never had anything like that influence at the height of their power, so it would be weird for peoples in the distant future to remember them for any reason, whereas the ... | ufnmaz | CMV: The Roman/Greek worship by the KKK and White nationalists today would be the same logic as Black/Jewish people idolizing Nazis or American Slavery 2000 years in the future | I'm going to base my view on an analogy. I've been thinking about a skit I'd like to do with my friends online to make fun of KKK/White Supremacist logic, but I'd like to to be challenged so we can improve the context or maybe make a better one.
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CMV: On average, people who are more physically attractive likely have better lives than people who aren’t.
As an ugly person who has had their life impacted by the way I look, I think on average attractive peoples lives are significantly better than ugly peoples. I’m not talking about average people, even though I wo... | Your perception of attractiveness, and even the perception of those that hurt you is not the be all end all opinion.
Take care of yourself.
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That’s a nice way to say “your experience was all I. Your head”
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You're here because you want validation that your life is so hard because of something out of your cont... | While there is what's known as the "ugly premium", wherein unattractive people make less than attractive people, at the extreme end,[it can actually lead to more success](https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/study-finds-that-very-unattractive-people-make-more-money).
[Unattractiveness also lends to more credibility a... | 15ei3g2 | CMV: On average, people who are more physically attractive likely have better lives than people who aren’t. | As an ugly person who has had their life impacted by the way I look, I think on average attractive peoples lives are significantly better than ugly peoples. I’m not talking about average people, even though I would at some levels agree with that point too, I’m talking about truly ugly people. People who are 3/10 at at ... | KillaHotel | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It's stupid to care about the environment in space.
I'm a big proponent of space colonization/exploitation and every time I bring it up there's someone who says something along the lines of "Oh we're gonna trash the Moon like we did Earth?" "Oh good more mining!" "Humanity won't rest until we've exploited everyth... | You realize that leaving actual garbage floating around in space presents a serious navigation hazard, right?
There have been actual satellites that have been knocked out after getting struck by debris that was discarded from other launches/missions.
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Do you mean actually out in space or just in our orbit? The cr... | Too much junk in space can lead to a Kessler Effect, where we block ourselves off from further space travel
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That's only for low earth orbit if we toss our junk outside of earth's orbit there shouldn't be any problem
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Correct but that is exactely what we're doin... | v8gx51 | CMV: It's stupid to care about the environment in space. | I'm a big proponent of space colonization/exploitation and every time I bring it up there's someone who says something along the lines of "Oh we're gonna trash the Moon like we did Earth?" "Oh good more mining!" "Humanity won't rest until we've exploited everything we can!" and other snide comments to that effect.
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CMV: Free will does not exist
***Edit: My original title "Free will does not exist" is pretty bad at explaining my position. To clarify, I believe that the concept of free will as described by theists does not help to prove the existence of a god. If possible, answer the question as if that is the title :)***
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I ... | (This exact question, and arguments, come up every 3-4 days, so I recommend checking out the other posts first.)
The biggest flaw in everyone's argument is that they haven't actually defined "free will". What is your definition, exactly? You put it in quotes - so does that mean that you aren't really sure what the ter... | You don't have a coherent definition of free will.
It makes no sense to use a hypothetical where two identical people make the same decision to say there is no free will. Of course two identical people would make the same decision in the same situation - they have the same desires. Something very strange is going on... | 827d3i | CMV: Free will does not exist | ***Edit: My original title "Free will does not exist" is pretty bad at explaining my position. To clarify, I believe that the concept of free will as described by theists does not help to prove the existence of a god. If possible, answer the question as if that is the title :)***
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I am an atheist, and the majority... | CaptainCupcakez | 3 | 3 | [
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I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh pu... | I don't believe that homosexuality remotely warrants the death penalty, but I guess the aspect of your view I'm trying to change is that the reasoning of its supporters is inscrutable or incomprehensible.
The main issue is the heavily religious mindset. Some commenters below have already explained how the Abrahamic fa... | The short answer is religion. The long answer is still religion. Virtually anyone you will find that opposes homosexuality (at any level of "severity") does so because their religion teaches that homosexuality is a serious transgression in the eyes of some deity.
One interpretation of the story of Lot (cited in Jud... | 7481bw | CMV: I don't understand why homosexual behavior is such a big deal to some people that they think the punishment for doing it should be death | I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh punishment or death position.
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I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh pu... | I think that it's very easy to chalk it up to religion, but if we look deeper I think that people see stability in society as being sacrosanct.
When society becomes more focussed on individual freedoms and becomes deeply individualistic, you lose social cohesion as the people surrounding you become less like you, thus... | The short answer is religion. The long answer is still religion. Virtually anyone you will find that opposes homosexuality (at any level of "severity") does so because their religion teaches that homosexuality is a serious transgression in the eyes of some deity.
One interpretation of the story of Lot (cited in Jud... | 7481bw | CMV: I don't understand why homosexual behavior is such a big deal to some people that they think the punishment for doing it should be death | I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh punishment or death position.
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I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh pu... | I don't believe that homosexuality remotely warrants the death penalty, but I guess the aspect of your view I'm trying to change is that the reasoning of its supporters is inscrutable or incomprehensible.
The main issue is the heavily religious mindset. Some commenters below have already explained how the Abrahamic fa... | The short answer is religion. The long answer is still religion. Virtually anyone you will find that opposes homosexuality (at any level of "severity") does so because their religion teaches that homosexuality is a serious transgression in the eyes of some deity.
One interpretation of the story of Lot (cited in Jud... | 7481bw | CMV: I don't understand why homosexual behavior is such a big deal to some people that they think the punishment for doing it should be death | I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh punishment or death position.
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I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh pu... | I think that it's very easy to chalk it up to religion, but if we look deeper I think that people see stability in society as being sacrosanct.
When society becomes more focussed on individual freedoms and becomes deeply individualistic, you lose social cohesion as the people surrounding you become less like you, thus... | As ScottEvil points out, it really is about religion.
Engage in a thought exercise with me for a moment. Imagine that you are sitting on your couch one day and your TV burst into flames. Out of the flames, walks the most divine thing you have ever seen - so amazing and awesome that you can barely comprehend it, let ... | 7481bw | CMV: I don't understand why homosexual behavior is such a big deal to some people that they think the punishment for doing it should be death | I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh punishment or death position.
It just seems like it must be a really big deal to get the death penalty in some places, you know? Where I'm from... | SometmesWrongMotives | 7 | 7 | [
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I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh pu... | The short answer is religion. The long answer is still religion. Virtually anyone you will find that opposes homosexuality (at any level of "severity") does so because their religion teaches that homosexuality is a serious transgression in the eyes of some deity.
One interpretation of the story of Lot (cited in Jud... | [deleted]
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I think you're right, this isn't right for cmv at least not as stated, I just don't know where else to ask it. Thanks!
overdue edit: The mods seem to think this post is ok for CMV. Still appreciate this being pointed out. | 7481bw | CMV: I don't understand why homosexual behavior is such a big deal to some people that they think the punishment for doing it should be death | I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh punishment or death position.
It just seems like it must be a really big deal to get the death penalty in some places, you know? Where I'm from... | SometmesWrongMotives | 2 | 2 | [
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I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh pu... | The short answer is religion. The long answer is still religion. Virtually anyone you will find that opposes homosexuality (at any level of "severity") does so because their religion teaches that homosexuality is a serious transgression in the eyes of some deity.
One interpretation of the story of Lot (cited in Jud... | As ScottEvil points out, it really is about religion.
Engage in a thought exercise with me for a moment. Imagine that you are sitting on your couch one day and your TV burst into flames. Out of the flames, walks the most divine thing you have ever seen - so amazing and awesome that you can barely comprehend it, let ... | 7481bw | CMV: I don't understand why homosexual behavior is such a big deal to some people that they think the punishment for doing it should be death | I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh punishment or death position.
It just seems like it must be a really big deal to get the death penalty in some places, you know? Where I'm from... | SometmesWrongMotives | 3 | 3 | [
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I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh pu... | I think that it's very easy to chalk it up to religion, but if we look deeper I think that people see stability in society as being sacrosanct.
When society becomes more focussed on individual freedoms and becomes deeply individualistic, you lose social cohesion as the people surrounding you become less like you, thus... | The short answer is religion. The long answer is still religion. Virtually anyone you will find that opposes homosexuality (at any level of "severity") does so because their religion teaches that homosexuality is a serious transgression in the eyes of some deity.
One interpretation of the story of Lot (cited in Jud... | 7481bw | CMV: I don't understand why homosexual behavior is such a big deal to some people that they think the punishment for doing it should be death | I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh punishment or death position.
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CMV: I don't understand why homosexual behavior is such a big deal to some people that they think the punishment for doing it should be death
I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh pu... | I don't believe that homosexuality remotely warrants the death penalty, but I guess the aspect of your view I'm trying to change is that the reasoning of its supporters is inscrutable or incomprehensible.
The main issue is the heavily religious mindset. Some commenters below have already explained how the Abrahamic fa... | The short answer is religion. The long answer is still religion. Virtually anyone you will find that opposes homosexuality (at any level of "severity") does so because their religion teaches that homosexuality is a serious transgression in the eyes of some deity.
One interpretation of the story of Lot (cited in Jud... | 7481bw | CMV: I don't understand why homosexual behavior is such a big deal to some people that they think the punishment for doing it should be death | I've never understood why people think it's important to punish homosexual behaviors so harshly, and I'd like to. I'm interested in hearing from people who hold a pro- harsh punishment or death position.
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