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CMV: Unions harbor laziness.
For a while I've been staunchly against unions. However, as I grow older, watch the richer get stupid rich, the middle class become smaller, and wages not increase, I'm beginning to think that unions are a necessary thing. However, I can't get over the fact that they make it far too diffic... | Is your view based only on that single episode and on that guy who agrees with you?
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No, there are other reasons. They generally raise the cost of products they produce (auto union comes to mind) and they don’t typically produce any higher quality of a good. My company vehicle is a 2018 Malibu with 4K miles on it ... | I think your problem is with lawyers and American 'sue-everyone' culture. A shittier lawyer might not have been able to defend her case, and if the parent company had better lawyers, they might call that bluff and win.
One could also argue that the employee wasn't lazy, but just bad at her job. It seems unlikely that ... | atbdb7 | CMV: Unions harbor laziness. | For a while I've been staunchly against unions. However, as I grow older, watch the richer get stupid rich, the middle class become smaller, and wages not increase, I'm beginning to think that unions are a necessary thing. However, I can't get over the fact that they make it far too difficult to fire someone who needs ... | TotallyFakeLawyer | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: If there is a heaven and hell, I'd rather go to hell
No sickness, friendly animals, eternal life on beautiful paradise earth, and post-marital sex...BO-RING.
If the 'devil's influence' is the reason for things that aren't in accordance with Bible principles, it sounds like heaven would be boring as hell (hehe). ... | Your idea of hell is just not what anyone thinks hell is. Hell isn’t your bro rewarding you for the bad things you did, it’s eternal punishment for those bad deeds.
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My problem with that is the only account of hell is from the opposing force--for lack of a better term. If there was a book written on hell that says... | Hell is a myth created to scare people into accepting Christianity and it's moral thesis. This is not the same as accounts of hell being only from the opposition. Hell as a concept is specifically religious. There is no secular understanding of hell in this sense.
I'm sure that you would prefer the Hell you've dreamed... | 11i95ek | CMV: If there is a heaven and hell, I'd rather go to hell | No sickness, friendly animals, eternal life on beautiful paradise earth, and post-marital sex...BO-RING.
If the 'devil's influence' is the reason for things that aren't in accordance with Bible principles, it sounds like heaven would be boring as hell (hehe). We hear about eternal damnation and hellfire and all that, ... | Meezy98 | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: The T should be removed from LGBT.
I know this is going to be a controversial one, so I’d like to preface it simply by saying I consider myself to be an allay of the LGB and T communities and that this argument is made in good faith. I hope that this can be an honest conversation to facilitate better understandin... | I think that anyone writing LGBT these days is simply avoiding using the ridiculous tossed salad of an acronym that it became... LGBTTQQIAAP, which includes a lot of categories beyond the original four (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally, pansexual).
That is t... | We all share a common source oppression - strict, conservative ideas about what men and women should be. Obviously, these oppressions can differ, but they don’t always. For example, trans people face issues accessing their appropriate medical care, while cis queer people don’t (or at least in significantly different wa... | atc262 | CMV: The T should be removed from LGBT. | I know this is going to be a controversial one, so I’d like to preface it simply by saying I consider myself to be an allay of the LGB and T communities and that this argument is made in good faith. I hope that this can be an honest conversation to facilitate better understanding for myself and others.
Sexual identit... | act_surprised | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The fact that america hasn't had any major terror attack since 911 is mainly because nobody has actually been trying
I am thankful that the united states hasn't had a mass casualty terrorism event since 911. However, the lack of attacks doesn't seem to have anything to do with actions taken by the US government, ... | look through this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_unsuccessful\_terrorist\_plots\_in\_the\_United\_States\_post-9/11
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I mean yeah, I knew there were a couple dozen tries. Not trying to discount that. But if there were any serious amount of homegrown terrorists in the us there would have been a lot more a... | Do the Boston Marathon (only a handful dead, but hundreds injured) and Pulse nightclub (about 50 dead and a similar number injured) attacks not count as "major"? If not, what does it take to qualify?
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And the Benghazi attack on a US embassy as well.
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If the bar is set at Benghazi (a handful dead and about a d... | pn7d3d | CMV: The fact that america hasn't had any major terror attack since 911 is mainly because nobody has actually been trying | I am thankful that the united states hasn't had a mass casualty terrorism event since 911. However, the lack of attacks doesn't seem to have anything to do with actions taken by the US government, but rather a lack of interest. If any intelligent group of people thought about how to cause a mass casualty event in the u... | andyman1994 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The concept of Freedom of speech is contradictory and physically cannot exist.
Given freedom of speech to mean the philosophical ideal of all peoples in a society the ability to communicate in whatever way they choose;
Freedom of speech is paradoxical/contradiction/etc. Given that speech can be conflicting, free... | Freedom is speech means the government can't punish you for speech
That has nothing to do with what you are talking about
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I already noted this in my post. Please read again. I'm not talking about the legal concept.
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Nobody recognizes that "freedom," though. You're arguing against a strawman.
"Freedom of sp... | > Given freedom of speech to mean the philosophical ideal of all peoples in a society the ability to communicate in whatever way they choose;
This is the concept of freedom of speech, as you have defined it. Therefore, it exists, and you should change your view.
Now, I imagine that this wasn’t quite the conversation... | yzluej | CMV: The concept of Freedom of speech is contradictory and physically cannot exist. | Given freedom of speech to mean the philosophical ideal of all peoples in a society the ability to communicate in whatever way they choose;
Freedom of speech is paradoxical/contradiction/etc. Given that speech can be conflicting, freedom of speech cannot exist.
Example: If a protest forms, and a counter-protest comes... | HakuOnTheRocks | 3 | 3 | [
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Given freedom of speech to mean the philosophical ideal of all peoples in a society the ability to communicate in whatever way they choose;
Freedom of speech is paradoxical/contradiction/etc. Given that speech can be conflicting, free... | Is there freedom to hear? Or is it just freedom to speak?
Do you think mute people don't have freedom of speech because they literally are unable to talk?
What about people who speak a language you don't, have they lost their freedom just because you don't understand them?
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Imo, the freedom is about communicatio... | >Given freedom of speech to mean the philosophical ideal of all peoples in a society the ability to communicate in whatever way they choose;
That’s not what freedom of speech means, so your arguments could be true for the ideal you’re talking, but they don’t apply to freedom of speech.
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In my CMV, I note the diff... | yzluej | CMV: The concept of Freedom of speech is contradictory and physically cannot exist. | Given freedom of speech to mean the philosophical ideal of all peoples in a society the ability to communicate in whatever way they choose;
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CMV: There should be a liquid funds cap, luxury wealth tax, and the banning of borrowing against stock
I really think there needs to be a huge shift in how we view money. I think if there were a liquid cap where when you reach 3 million + you don't earn anymore income. You don't need anymore than that to live comforta... | This would, presumably, significantly reduce the incentive for people to develop goods or services that would earn them significantly more than $3 million under the status quo. That seems like a significant drawback for the general public who benefit from purchasing these goods and services.
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I really disagree. Pe... | So you basically advocating that people continue working, but the government confiscates 100% of their earnings, essentially forcing them to work for free. I think there’s a name for that, but I can’t put my finger on it.
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You don't have to work, if you have 3 million + in liquid funds, that's plenty to live comfo... | 1nw5k9u | CMV: There should be a liquid funds cap, luxury wealth tax, and the banning of borrowing against stock | I really think there needs to be a huge shift in how we view money. I think if there were a liquid cap where when you reach 3 million + you don't earn anymore income. You don't need anymore than that to live comfortably for decades. Lifestyle plays a part, but I think if we sell the idea that if you hit 3 million or mo... | Additional_Courage_6 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Online "thots" (as in seductive TikTokers, streamers, etc.) can be good wives.
When I'm scrolling through comments in these girls' profiles in social networks, I often read demeaning comments saying that these girls are "high mileage" and that they have no value as potential wives and will eventually get old with... | [deleted]
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She doesn't need to do any additional work when she is old if she saves and invests a part of her high income during her golden years.
But yes, you have a point in there:
For an online "thot" to be a good wife she must have some long-term financial planning. Otherwise you must accept to have she provi... | I mean if you consider the fact that there are women who don't do any of that and will solely focus on the traditional role of a housewife I would refute your P.S
Also you don't want to go to school and have your boys telling you in front of the other boys that they're jerking off to your mom's only fans
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It woul... | 11i0c7c | CMV: Online "thots" (as in seductive TikTokers, streamers, etc.) can be good wives. | When I'm scrolling through comments in these girls' profiles in social networks, I often read demeaning comments saying that these girls are "high mileage" and that they have no value as potential wives and will eventually get old without anyone by their sides.
I think this argument is completely nonsense. First becau... | My_Wholesome_Acc | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Qatar pulling the rug on alcohol sales at the world cup is further proof that Islam is incompatible with the modern world
Today Qatar decided to ban the sale of alcohol in stadiums 2 days before the world cup starts. I wouldn’t care if this was Qatar banning alcohol in their local league but this is the WORLD cu... | Why is no beer such a big problem? I'm sure fentanyl is also banned at these events. If you have that much trouble going without alcohol, then the problem lies inward. These people should not be having such a fanatical reaction to having their alcohol taken away
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Because beer is culturally engrained in society and... | The reason Islam is incompatible with the modern world...is that they won't let you drink alcohol? Really? That's what you're going with?
Do you know that there are plenty of modern people who don't drink alcohol? There are still US States that have laws saying you can't buy alcohol on certain days of the week, or dur... | yzgddv | CMV: Qatar pulling the rug on alcohol sales at the world cup is further proof that Islam is incompatible with the modern world |
Today Qatar decided to ban the sale of alcohol in stadiums 2 days before the world cup starts. I wouldn’t care if this was Qatar banning alcohol in their local league but this is the WORLD cup.
The whole point is to bring the world together to watch football and have a good time. And yes in many cultures that includ... | [deleted] | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It wouldn't be unconstitutional for a state to enslave people
13th Amendment: \* Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. \*
​
This does... | The 8th amendment protects against cruel and unusual punishment. Slavery would likely be considered cruel, and long term imprisonment for crimes like walking down the left side of the street would be considered unusual.
This has already been decided too. In Harmelin v. Michigan, 501 U.S. 957 (1991) the Supreme Court m... | You're correct except for the Constitution also protects against cruel or unusual (or excessive) punishment. Anyone sentenced to a lifetime of slavery for jaywalking would certainly appeal, and the Court's should overturn (or at the very least severely reduce) the sentence.
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Lifetime enslavement is most certainly... | a1txb5 | CMV: It wouldn't be unconstitutional for a state to enslave people | 13th Amendment: \* Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. \*
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This doesn't mention any particular state's laws. So a state could just pass ... | ZeusThunder369 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: While both groups deserve full rights and protections, LGB and TQ+ are separate communities facing different challenges.
The first group is about the right to love whoever you want. It wants protections so that the only people who care who is in your bed are the consenting adults in it. It needs for society to no... | LGBT the acronym dates to at least the 80s. That's 40 years the movement has been under the same umbrella voluntarily. The movement is significantly older than that.
The umbrella has always been over all sexual minorities.
Why would one group abandon the others when one's fight has become more difficult in the recen... | These fights have been bundled together since their inception. Trans people - especially trans women - have been at the forefront of the movement all along.
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Legit question : when you say “trans women”, do you mean men who became women or women who became men? | yzbc0n | CMV: While both groups deserve full rights and protections, LGB and TQ+ are separate communities facing different challenges. | The first group is about the right to love whoever you want. It wants protections so that the only people who care who is in your bed are the consenting adults in it. It needs for society to normalize relationship with a different combination of genders than the traditional male/female
The second is about the right to... | AsinusRex | 2 | 2 | [
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The first group is about the right to love whoever you want. It wants protections so that the only people who care who is in your bed are the consenting adults in it. It needs for society to no... | Others have made some excellent points about the history of the community, so I won't dive in there.
But think about how someone unsupportive would see a straight transgender man in a relationship with a straight cisgender woman.
They'd call it a relationship between two women. It's not, but that's what they'd call i... | Feel free to head back in time to tell the bigots obsessed with gender and what it all means and convince them to separate them, then. A big part of why they're grouped together is because the people targeting them, who also happened to hold a lot more power in society, grouped them together simply because every single... | yzbc0n | CMV: While both groups deserve full rights and protections, LGB and TQ+ are separate communities facing different challenges. | The first group is about the right to love whoever you want. It wants protections so that the only people who care who is in your bed are the consenting adults in it. It needs for society to normalize relationship with a different combination of genders than the traditional male/female
The second is about the right to... | AsinusRex | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: While both groups deserve full rights and protections, LGB and TQ+ are separate communities facing different challenges.
The first group is about the right to love whoever you want. It wants protections so that the only people who care who is in your bed are the consenting adults in it. It needs for society to no... | Others have made some excellent points about the history of the community, so I won't dive in there.
But think about how someone unsupportive would see a straight transgender man in a relationship with a straight cisgender woman.
They'd call it a relationship between two women. It's not, but that's what they'd call i... | These fights have been bundled together since their inception. Trans people - especially trans women - have been at the forefront of the movement all along.
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Neither. A person was always the gender they gen... | yzbc0n | CMV: While both groups deserve full rights and protections, LGB and TQ+ are separate communities facing different challenges. | The first group is about the right to love whoever you want. It wants protections so that the only people who care who is in your bed are the consenting adults in it. It needs for society to normalize relationship with a different combination of genders than the traditional male/female
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CMV: Women are considered illogical because their emotions are overly expressed and overly validated and many let their emotions run their lives
# This view is wrong, [here is the scientific research I did to prove myself wrong.](https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/c722sc/cmv_women_are_considered_illogical_... | Emotions run everybody's life. That's how humanity works. The idea that people are rational, contemplative, little philosophers is easily disproven by a trip to your local waffle house
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Lol short, simple, and straight to the point. I dig it. I am more focusing on the degree of "illogical" behavior here though, and... | First, men frequently let their emotions run their lives, it's just that they aren't always viewed as "crazy" for doing so because men and women are culturally "expected" to express emotion differently. Think about how many men you know frequently express anger at the slightest provocation, or have unstable egos simil... | c722sc | CMV: Women are considered illogical because their emotions are overly expressed and overly validated and many let their emotions run their lives | # This view is wrong, [here is the scientific research I did to prove myself wrong.](https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/c722sc/cmv_women_are_considered_illogical_because_their/esd2q8t?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x) Downvote carpet bombing someone who wants to have healthier views of the world is not a g... | intellectualgulf | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Crimes should be punished according to victim's socioeconomic status
In some countries you can be fined according to your own income, for instance for speeding in the traffic. The idea behind is that the level of punishment would be similar to every person rich or poor.
The issue I see is that more often than no... | for the gun ownership one. everyone has a life right? because they are alive. everyone has a right to defend their own life.
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Everyone has a life but not all life are equal. A person with money or power can make people around them stronger. Build communities, infrastructure and employ people. People with nothing t... | Right, because nothing bad can happen by making it explicit that how much money you have determines whether the person attacking you is actually punished or not. All with the extremely misguided notion that wealthy people are inherently worth more to society simply because they have money irrespective of how they got i... | yza2n2 | CMV: Crimes should be punished according to victim's socioeconomic status | In some countries you can be fined according to your own income, for instance for speeding in the traffic. The idea behind is that the level of punishment would be similar to every person rich or poor.
The issue I see is that more often than not, people with low socioeconomic status are contributing less to the societ... | guggaburggi | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Crimes should be punished according to victim's socioeconomic status
In some countries you can be fined according to your own income, for instance for speeding in the traffic. The idea behind is that the level of punishment would be similar to every person rich or poor.
The issue I see is that more often than no... | Ah okay so bring back Serfdom, basically. Make a legal distinction between the rich and the poor where the rich have codified rights over the poor people. Make the poor a permanent legal underclass. As I recall, that existed historically, and nothing bad ever happened to the ruling class because of it, and all of them ... | for the gun ownership one. everyone has a life right? because they are alive. everyone has a right to defend their own life.
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Everyone has a life but not all life are equal. A person with money or power can make people around them stronger. Build communities, infrastructure and employ people. People with nothing t... | yza2n2 | CMV: Crimes should be punished according to victim's socioeconomic status | In some countries you can be fined according to your own income, for instance for speeding in the traffic. The idea behind is that the level of punishment would be similar to every person rich or poor.
The issue I see is that more often than not, people with low socioeconomic status are contributing less to the societ... | guggaburggi | 3 | 3 | [
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cmv: children aren't meant to have fathers
Lately I've been having a philosophical crisis over what is "meant" to be in this world, by which I mean loosely, used correctly. For example, I think anal sex is immoral because your anus is used for defecation. It's not *meant* to be generated. I find out whether an action ... | Nature is dumb and random. Why does something so dumb and random determine your morality?
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My mother always called me a "black and white" thinker. My psychiatrist says that I look to things that seem concrete for safety.
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There is nothing about people, parenthood or sexuality that's black and white, it's abou... | Without fathers, there would be no babies. So, babies are indeed meant to have fathers as fathers are a prerequisite to babies.
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I don't quite understand the first part of what you're saying. I think it's very important for men to take part in the conception process, but after that I don't think they're needed any... | 1cc1f93 | cmv: children aren't meant to have fathers | Lately I've been having a philosophical crisis over what is "meant" to be in this world, by which I mean loosely, used correctly. For example, I think anal sex is immoral because your anus is used for defecation. It's not *meant* to be generated. I find out whether an action is meant to be or not by looking at the anim... | Bunchasticks | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Guns should not be treated like toys or tools
I live in the United States, and grew up in a family that hates guns. Since then, I have learned more real information about guns (and am less blindly scared of them), but I still have a hard time seeing why guns are treated the way they are.
From my perspective, muc... | A gun is in fact a tool just like a hammer. I agree they should not be on the same page as toys.
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There are some circumstances under which I can understand using a gun as the tool of choice, but it seems that most gun owners do not have them for those reasons (hunting by necessity, protection from wildlife, police... | >gun owners/frequent users seem to have them for the sake of having them--because they like them, or enjoy going to shooting ranges on weekends, and so on. Why?
You know, it is perfectly possible to enjoy something, use it recreationally, while still treating it seriously and with respect.
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This is what I don't u... | c731xu | CMV: Guns should not be treated like toys or tools | I live in the United States, and grew up in a family that hates guns. Since then, I have learned more real information about guns (and am less blindly scared of them), but I still have a hard time seeing why guns are treated the way they are.
From my perspective, much of America essentially fetishizes gun culture, hav... | Ki-RBT | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Guns should not be treated like toys or tools
I live in the United States, and grew up in a family that hates guns. Since then, I have learned more real information about guns (and am less blindly scared of them), but I still have a hard time seeing why guns are treated the way they are.
From my perspective, muc... | >gun owners/frequent users seem to have them for the sake of having them--because they like them, or enjoy going to shooting ranges on weekends, and so on. Why?
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This is what I don't u... | A gun is in fact a tool just like a hammer. I agree they should not be on the same page as toys.
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There are some circumstances under which I can understand using a gun as the tool of choice, but it seems that most gun owners do not have them for those reasons (hunting by necessity, protection from wildlife, police... | c731xu | CMV: Guns should not be treated like toys or tools | I live in the United States, and grew up in a family that hates guns. Since then, I have learned more real information about guns (and am less blindly scared of them), but I still have a hard time seeing why guns are treated the way they are.
From my perspective, much of America essentially fetishizes gun culture, hav... | Ki-RBT | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The right is doing far more blatant algorithmic / media manipulation than the left ever did
I just ran a small test. I created a brand-new Twitter (X) account on a separate device, using a VPN connected to another country. I didn’t follow or like anyone, completely blank slate
Within seconds, my entire feed was ... | Genuine question, have you ever scrolled r/all not logged in? Have you ever scrolled Bluesky?
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Reddit is left leaning but I’d say it’s the natural outcome of a karma & upvote/downvote system, not some mastermind tweaking the algorithm to push their ideology
Also, I have pretty feminist/left leaning views but I ge... | Devil's advocate, why did you start with X, the platform that is typically recognzied already as being the most skewed as a result of Musk's meddling.
If you did the same thing with bluesky, do you think ylu would see the same result?
I would be interested in something like this for facebook, instafeam, youtube, and... | 1nzw94g | CMV: The right is doing far more blatant algorithmic / media manipulation than the left ever did | I just ran a small test. I created a brand-new Twitter (X) account on a separate device, using a VPN connected to another country. I didn’t follow or like anyone, completely blank slate
Within seconds, my entire feed was flooded with Elon Musk posts and politically charged content, often with racial or culture-war und... | horsewithwifi | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: It would be contradictory to believe in both "Anyone who says they're trans is trans" and "Detransitioners were never trans".
Detransitioners were once people who said they were trans, but now say they aren't. This is where I see the contradiction: depending on which statement we choose to go by, they would be go... | Isn't someone who detransitions saying, themselvesx that they were never trans to begin with? (Speaking completely generally and without any respect to the nuance and variability of real life)
If I were to say "Anyone who says they are trans is trans" I wouldn't be making an absolutist statement about an immutable cha... | >Detransitioners were once people who said they were trans, but now say they aren't.
Not neccessarily
The overwhelming majority of people who medically detransition, cite the financial cost of transitioning, the pushback from their family and support system, or their dissatisfaction with the progress of their transit... | pmtquq | CMV: It would be contradictory to believe in both "Anyone who says they're trans is trans" and "Detransitioners were never trans". | Detransitioners were once people who said they were trans, but now say they aren't. This is where I see the contradiction: depending on which statement we choose to go by, they would be going through two different experiences. If we go by the first statement, they would be trans people in denial or confused. Going by t... | RedFanKr | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Even though I’m an atheist, I think casual sex is wrong
Two arguments have led me to this conclusion, even though I’m not religious: first, that the casual view of sex makes it hard to explain the special wrongness of rape, and second, of adult-child sex. The “love” view of sex does a better job of explaining our... | This kinda presumes that rape and pedophilia are entirely about sex. They aren't exactly. They're about power and gender dynamics as well.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/sex-offending-against-children-understanding-riskhttps://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/sex-offending-against-child... | it is wrong to have sex with a person who doesn't consent to sex.
Children can't consent to sex.
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This is a very shallow, superficial engagement with the above. I agree with you, but see the Op where I respond to the argument that consent rights are enough to explain our intuitions here. I argue that an appeal t... | 11grlcl | CMV: Even though I’m an atheist, I think casual sex is wrong | Two arguments have led me to this conclusion, even though I’m not religious: first, that the casual view of sex makes it hard to explain the special wrongness of rape, and second, of adult-child sex. The “love” view of sex does a better job of explaining our moral intuitions in both cases. (My method is John Rawls’ app... | SoccerSkilz | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: Even though I’m an atheist, I think casual sex is wrong
Two arguments have led me to this conclusion, even though I’m not religious: first, that the casual view of sex makes it hard to explain the special wrongness of rape, and second, of adult-child sex. The “love” view of sex does a better job of explaining our... | Well your tomato / rape logic is absolutely bizarre... It is a bit hard to even wrap my head around. It is not a great equavlient anyways since eating a tomato is an act of pleasure for yourself, it is not something people force on each other
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The point is that the wrongness of the tomato scenario is considerably... | Argument 1 fails because it isn't the absence of love that makes it wrong. Love isn't a pre-requisite. Consent is. If you shove a tomato in my mouth while I'm unconscious, I might not smack you five ways to a jail cell but I would still be upset.
Argument 2 I really just don't understand.
You have some things mixed u... | 11grlcl | CMV: Even though I’m an atheist, I think casual sex is wrong | Two arguments have led me to this conclusion, even though I’m not religious: first, that the casual view of sex makes it hard to explain the special wrongness of rape, and second, of adult-child sex. The “love” view of sex does a better job of explaining our moral intuitions in both cases. (My method is John Rawls’ app... | SoccerSkilz | 11 | 11 | [
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CMV: I don’t really care about Johnny Depp
Obviously everybody deserves empathy, and that’s not something I struggle with, but Johnny Depps net worth is currently at around 200 million dollars, just sitting in his bank account.
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I have empathy for him, but I’m not going to cry for my robbers and oppressors
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The richest 1 percent now owns half the worlds wealth https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/11/14/richest-1-percent-now-own-half-the-worlds-wealth.html
So yes, yes I am
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Nobody owes you anything dude, get over it. | jr2jom | CMV: I don’t really care about Johnny Depp | Obviously everybody deserves empathy, and that’s not something I struggle with, but Johnny Depps net worth is currently at around 200 million dollars, just sitting in his bank account.
While my family, me, probably you, and the majority of the world struggle every day, working
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CMV: The Yale and Columbia protestors are largely egotistical.
First of all, hope this doesn’t get hate, I intend to come from a good place.
Anyways, I see these protestors at Columbia and Yale, and I can’t help but do a bit of an eye roll. Of course, the issues they are protesting are very important; what’s happenin... | Well the claim you’re making is impossible to disprove. But I think you should recognize that the protests have gone beyond just standing around with signs.
The university warned the students that there would be mass arrests if they continued to protest, and they did, along with the faculty. It’s all well and good to ... | >Granted, it’s true to an extent, what students of these top schools do generates more publicity than students at less prestigious schools. Still, I feel like even protests at ivy leagues are a literal drop in the bucket, most surely not going to affect real change. Yet they still do them. They’re smart people. Why?
I... | 1cbsjno | CMV: The Yale and Columbia protestors are largely egotistical. | First of all, hope this doesn’t get hate, I intend to come from a good place.
Anyways, I see these protestors at Columbia and Yale, and I can’t help but do a bit of an eye roll. Of course, the issues they are protesting are very important; what’s happening in Gaza is a catastrophe, and also, it is reasonable for Jewis... | Ok-Salad-4711 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Employers should not be allowed to fire employees over their political views or humorous statements made outside of work.
I recently saw a case on Twitter where a man tweeted a transphobic joke where he posted a screenshot of a news article that said the Trump administration was opposing trans rights and another ... | I agree that employers shouldn't be able to fire employees for the most part, EXCEPT when these views hurt the business.
We live in a time where people on both sides of the political spectrum will boycott something or protest if they feel it goes too much against the grain. Take Kaepernick ( sp? ) for example. Many pe... | >What many on the left fail to realise is that if employers can fire people who say unpleasant things, they can also fire those who speak out in favour of economic equality and workers rights.
Who fails to realize this? It gets brought up in every discussion. It's point numero uno. And each time my personal response h... | a1n0eb | CMV: Employers should not be allowed to fire employees over their political views or humorous statements made outside of work. | I recently saw a case on Twitter where a man tweeted a transphobic joke where he posted a screenshot of a news article that said the Trump administration was opposing trans rights and another screenshot of a MAGA hat order page on the Trump website. An LGBT activist and journalist then found out where he worked and for... | theinspector5 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Employers should not be allowed to fire employees over their political views or humorous statements made outside of work.
I recently saw a case on Twitter where a man tweeted a transphobic joke where he posted a screenshot of a news article that said the Trump administration was opposing trans rights and another ... | What if the posts, etc. go beyond just generally racist/anti-semitic/transphobic statements and are actual insults about coworkers? What if my coworker publishes on social media he doesn't like working with me because of my race, religion, or sexual orientation?
Do you think this should be protected as well? Do yo... | I agree that employers shouldn't be able to fire employees for the most part, EXCEPT when these views hurt the business.
We live in a time where people on both sides of the political spectrum will boycott something or protest if they feel it goes too much against the grain. Take Kaepernick ( sp? ) for example. Many pe... | a1n0eb | CMV: Employers should not be allowed to fire employees over their political views or humorous statements made outside of work. | I recently saw a case on Twitter where a man tweeted a transphobic joke where he posted a screenshot of a news article that said the Trump administration was opposing trans rights and another screenshot of a MAGA hat order page on the Trump website. An LGBT activist and journalist then found out where he worked and for... | theinspector5 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Employers should not be allowed to fire employees over their political views or humorous statements made outside of work.
I recently saw a case on Twitter where a man tweeted a transphobic joke where he posted a screenshot of a news article that said the Trump administration was opposing trans rights and another ... | >If you don't like working with someone with a political stance you dislike, even if you dislike it for a good reason, you just have to deal with it
Neo-nazism is a political stance that literally advocates that I be murdered. Do you *really* think that I just have to "deal with it"?
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I understand the horrific n... | >What many on the left fail to realise is that if employers can fire people who say unpleasant things, they can also fire those who speak out in favour of economic equality and workers rights.
Who fails to realize this? It gets brought up in every discussion. It's point numero uno. And each time my personal response h... | a1n0eb | CMV: Employers should not be allowed to fire employees over their political views or humorous statements made outside of work. | I recently saw a case on Twitter where a man tweeted a transphobic joke where he posted a screenshot of a news article that said the Trump administration was opposing trans rights and another screenshot of a MAGA hat order page on the Trump website. An LGBT activist and journalist then found out where he worked and for... | theinspector5 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Artists should always be ready and willing to explain what they were trying to say with their work.
**EDIT TO CLARIFY THE TITLE:** I didn't mean to say that an explanation should be automatically given (because that could ruin the work of art), only that it should be provided, once the artist is asked for it.
... | Sometimes the entire purpose of a work of art is to have many interpretations.
Sometimes the meaning is in the debate people have over the meaning and the fact that the art piece made them do that.
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But is there any value in that? If I literally perform, say, a nonsensical puppet show where I just put in any o... | If a piece of art is created to reflect aspects of the viewer back at them or to invite audience interpretation, why is it pretentious or pseudo-intellectual to not want to taint that by giving a "canon" explanation for what you were trying to say? I'm not saying you can't be pretentious about it (saying "you wouldn't ... | jr49i1 | CMV: Artists should always be ready and willing to explain what they were trying to say with their work. | **EDIT TO CLARIFY THE TITLE:** I didn't mean to say that an explanation should be automatically given (because that could ruin the work of art), only that it should be provided, once the artist is asked for it.
First of all, this is not to say that we should always ask for an explanation. Some things may lose some o... | PanVidla | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Artists should always be ready and willing to explain what they were trying to say with their work.
**EDIT TO CLARIFY THE TITLE:** I didn't mean to say that an explanation should be automatically given (because that could ruin the work of art), only that it should be provided, once the artist is asked for it.
... | This only applies if the artist themself know what they were trying to say. Sometimes art is just art, it eirther looks pretty or sounds good but ultimately there isn't anything deeper. I've always believed that the best expressions of art invoke a feeling, not an explanation. And sometimes artists don't plan they art ... | If an artist explains what they intended or at least were thinking of when they created a piece, to many people that becomes *the* interpretation. In refusing to voice this belief, the artist is allowing other people to maintain their own interpretations and feelings towards the piece.
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Maybe I should clarify that... | jr49i1 | CMV: Artists should always be ready and willing to explain what they were trying to say with their work. | **EDIT TO CLARIFY THE TITLE:** I didn't mean to say that an explanation should be automatically given (because that could ruin the work of art), only that it should be provided, once the artist is asked for it.
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CMV: I Don't See Much Evidence With Men Getting Better With "Age"
I want to make one thing clear. I think the subject that men get better with age, or improve with age is just cope in my books. I'll explain why is this just coping, and delusional.
1. Men don't age better than women. Yes, men have thicker skin physica... | What's gonna change your view when your view contains things that are simply unfalsifiable and bigotted ideas like "Older men are predators same as pedophiles."?
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The argument that older men are attracted to younger women is just biology. It's false younger women are not attracted to older men.
The majority of 4... | I would say this is wrong for a few reasons. It is not a man or woman issue. It's a individual issue. Taking care of yourself is one valid point. But there are men and women who take care of themselves. Genetics play a big role as well. Testosterone is often prescribed for men, so that helps. The body positivity moveme... | pmorbz | CMV: I Don't See Much Evidence With Men Getting Better With "Age" | I want to make one thing clear. I think the subject that men get better with age, or improve with age is just cope in my books. I'll explain why is this just coping, and delusional.
1. Men don't age better than women. Yes, men have thicker skin physically speaking, but the reason why women age better than men is that.... | PizzaSparks | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: State Capitalism Works.
I know this is probably a controversial take amongst both ends of this debate; but it's pretty much objectively the case. For a system to continue it has to be capable of adapting; and I think the inflexibility of a pure command economy has given right-libertarians too much confidence in t... | Mostly described state regulations on private business which is still just capitalism
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Hence, state capitalism.
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That's just called Capitalism. Some people call it a "mixed economy". State Capitalism is more of a different flavor of Marxism with government control of capital instead of individual control of... | It literally doesn't. State capitalism means the means of production are owned by the state and only they undertake business and commercial activity.
Both Japan and China have privately owned businesses, and that's the kind of liberalisation that allowed them to become economic powerhouses. Fully state owned industri... | 1ki0j8f | CMV: State Capitalism Works. | I know this is probably a controversial take amongst both ends of this debate; but it's pretty much objectively the case. For a system to continue it has to be capable of adapting; and I think the inflexibility of a pure command economy has given right-libertarians too much confidence in their ideology.
While we have ... | manicpxenightmaregrl | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Nazis will not come to power again within any of our lifetimes
I don’t claim to be a fortune-teller so I won’t go any farther than our lifetimes, but I just don’t think it’s likely at all that Nazis will gain a large amount of political power in America anytime within the next hundred years or so.
The main reas... | Technically the Nazi's didn't win a majority the last time (They formed a coalition government), and then got into power by manipulating a crisis.
​
So while your argument is validate that they don't have wide spread support they didn't need it to take political power the last time.
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What’s a coalition g... | What do you mean under nazi? This word is used so indiscriminately nowadays that it almost means nothing.
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I mean people who genuinely want each and every Jewish person dead
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That's not the definition of Nazi though. First, you have the German Nazi party of the early 1900s, and second you have present-day Naz... | a1lvhu | CMV: Nazis will not come to power again within any of our lifetimes | I don’t claim to be a fortune-teller so I won’t go any farther than our lifetimes, but I just don’t think it’s likely at all that Nazis will gain a large amount of political power in America anytime within the next hundred years or so.
The main reason I believe this is because there are so, so few Nazis in the world ... | Gimmedat_chicken | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Candace Owens should've been fired from the Daily Wire long ago.
As many of you have heard by now, Candace Owens was fired from the Daily Wire for spreading Antisemitic beliefs, which went way beyond her rather neutral stance on the Israel-Hamas War. Many of these beliefs included Blood Libel, use of the term "Ch... | My dislike for the daily wire and Owens can not be overstated but I can't argue she didn't do what they hired for in fact I'd actually say in terms of speaking and presentation she's actually one of the better ones obviously most of what she says the usually bullshit but she's probably the only one whose capable of a... | She was hired to promote an anti LGBT+ and "women should pump out babies and stay in the kitchen" agenda, why would they fire her for that?
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This is the right form of political incorrectness according to the Right.
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Then why do you think she should have been fired? Matt Walsh says horrendously backwards stuff... | 1cbjwku | CMV: Candace Owens should've been fired from the Daily Wire long ago. | As many of you have heard by now, Candace Owens was fired from the Daily Wire for spreading Antisemitic beliefs, which went way beyond her rather neutral stance on the Israel-Hamas War. Many of these beliefs included Blood Libel, use of the term "Christ is King" when she was feuding with her colleague of the outlet, Be... | StatisticianGreat514 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: "Borat 2" was a poor-quality sequel
To begin this post, I think it's important to first look at what made "Borat" such a great film in the first place:
1. **"Borat" was, fundamentally, a film about the character Borat.** "Borat" is such a great movie because Borat is such an entertaining character to watch. Visu... | I think you overestimate how much of the point of Borat was laughing at Borat himself. Sacha Baron Cohen has said that the real comedy of his characters comes from the absurdity that anyone could believe they're real people and what people are willing to reveal about themselves when you use the classic agree and amplif... | All of your points about the original Borat are present in Borat 2.
>We no longer get to watch Borat.
Were we watching the same movie? Borat appeared heavily in the movie. He didn't need to wear a disguise when talking with the Qanon people, the cake lady, or the babysitter. I really think the costumes were another p... | jq0lfs | CMV: "Borat 2" was a poor-quality sequel | To begin this post, I think it's important to first look at what made "Borat" such a great film in the first place:
1. **"Borat" was, fundamentally, a film about the character Borat.** "Borat" is such a great movie because Borat is such an entertaining character to watch. Visually, Borat is tall, gangly, and stands ou... | 0xFFFF_FFFF | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It is not possible for Kirkland Signature Unsalted Mixed Nuts to be "Extra Fancy," and calling them that does not help sell them.
So I was walking through a local store today, and noticed an odd marketing campaign dedicated to calling Kirkland Signature Unsalted Mixed Nuts being sold "Extra Fancy."
I don't thin... | This indicates what percentage if the mix is comprised of peanuts and is standard verbiage for nut mixes like this.
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>This indicates what percentage if the mix is comprised of peanuts and is standard verbiage for nut mixes like this.
I didn't know that. It doesn't really change my view though. Would peanuts be le... | Fancy, in this context, doesn't mean what you think it means. It's sort of like "fine jewelry." "Fine" is an industry term that describes a specific type of jewelry (i.e. jewelry made from precious metals like gold and silver). Likewise, "fancy" is an industry term and means something different when describing nuts ... | c6p23x | CMV: It is not possible for Kirkland Signature Unsalted Mixed Nuts to be "Extra Fancy," and calling them that does not help sell them. | So I was walking through a local store today, and noticed an odd marketing campaign dedicated to calling Kirkland Signature Unsalted Mixed Nuts being sold "Extra Fancy."
I don't think it's possible for a bunch of unsalted mixed nuts to be Extra Fancy at all. Unsalted Mixed Nuts are a snack and calling them extra fanc... | newaccountp | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Religion with fearsome consequences after death is the only thing that can save the world from dystopia
"The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must."
When humans have the opportunity to hurt others or the environment for selfish gain, they do it. For brevity, I'll call this activity exploita... | >The only thing that can stop this mentality and save us from co-creating a dystopia is religion with fearsome consequences after death.
We already have those.
This really should be the only argument needed.
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They're not working well enough, and if we want to save ourselves we need to improve them.
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If the... | Can people not just have empathy instead? How is believing in an afterlife any better than everyone just believing in the Golden Rule?
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4% of people are psychopaths, and plenty of non-psychopaths still do exploitative things. I don't see a pathway where encouraging more empathy will save us. But I can see a world ... | 1khsxv9 | CMV: Religion with fearsome consequences after death is the only thing that can save the world from dystopia | "The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must."
When humans have the opportunity to hurt others or the environment for selfish gain, they do it. For brevity, I'll call this activity exploitation.
Rampant exploitation is sending this world into a dystopia. The environment is being destroyed. Everyon... | Jaskser | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first
We all no abortion is trying to be banned by pro-birthers. My argument has NOTHING to do with "ethics" and "religious views" because that changes from person to person. My argument also has nothing to do if the wom... | [removed]
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Yes, in the most ideal world it would be that, i support it because if women's right but a lot of people seem to not see the woman as human, but as something that has less value then a potential life
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That's unfortunately often true. So do you agree or disagree with my objection to your post?
**Ed... | > before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first
It's not how we run societies. Laws on theft don't care how much you need the thing you've stolen. Laws on rape don't care how much you wanted to have sex. Laws on murder don't care how much you hated the person.
... | 11fygpy | CMV: before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first | We all no abortion is trying to be banned by pro-birthers. My argument has NOTHING to do with "ethics" and "religious views" because that changes from person to person. My argument also has nothing to do if the woman shouldn't have sex or not because there are many women who need abortions on a wanted baby due to medic... | loadind_graphics | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first
We all no abortion is trying to be banned by pro-birthers. My argument has NOTHING to do with "ethics" and "religious views" because that changes from person to person. My argument also has nothing to do if the wom... | I don't understand the point of this view.
Seems like this is just a round about way of calling out perceived hypocrisy of pro-lifers.
Access to quality healthcare, education, and generous social services are what we should be striving for *in addition to* upholding the reproductive rights of women. They're not a p... | > before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first
It's not how we run societies. Laws on theft don't care how much you need the thing you've stolen. Laws on rape don't care how much you wanted to have sex. Laws on murder don't care how much you hated the person.
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We all no abortion is trying to be banned by pro-birthers. My argument has NOTHING to do with "ethics" and "religious views" because that changes from person to person. My argument also has nothing to do if the wom... | You would have a point if the pro-birth movement was focused on the well-being of children, but that has never been the motivation. Their movement is about the actions of women, specifically a woman's sexuality and role as a mother. Arguing that a fetus is equivalent to a person makes the movement more palatable.
If t... | > before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first
It's not how we run societies. Laws on theft don't care how much you need the thing you've stolen. Laws on rape don't care how much you wanted to have sex. Laws on murder don't care how much you hated the person.
... | 11fygpy | CMV: before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first | We all no abortion is trying to be banned by pro-birthers. My argument has NOTHING to do with "ethics" and "religious views" because that changes from person to person. My argument also has nothing to do if the woman shouldn't have sex or not because there are many women who need abortions on a wanted baby due to medic... | loadind_graphics | 6 | 6 | [
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CMV: before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first
We all no abortion is trying to be banned by pro-birthers. My argument has NOTHING to do with "ethics" and "religious views" because that changes from person to person. My argument also has nothing to do if the wom... | men raise kids too?
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Yes (I've said that paternal time should happen more) and although i did not word it the same programs would be for them except pregnant (unless trans) they would have to have a spouse and both would not be on drugs/drunk.
Also i didn't include this but if a dad said get an abortion he would ... | I'm playing devil's advocate. An anti-abortion position would be:
"Abortion is the killing of a child. Imagine if a mother killed her infant or toddler because it was too difficult for her to raise the child properly. Would that be acceptable? Of course not. So why argue that we should first raise living conditions be... | 11fygpy | CMV: before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first | We all no abortion is trying to be banned by pro-birthers. My argument has NOTHING to do with "ethics" and "religious views" because that changes from person to person. My argument also has nothing to do if the woman shouldn't have sex or not because there are many women who need abortions on a wanted baby due to medic... | loadind_graphics | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first
We all no abortion is trying to be banned by pro-birthers. My argument has NOTHING to do with "ethics" and "religious views" because that changes from person to person. My argument also has nothing to do if the wom... | You would have a point if the pro-birth movement was focused on the well-being of children, but that has never been the motivation. Their movement is about the actions of women, specifically a woman's sexuality and role as a mother. Arguing that a fetus is equivalent to a person makes the movement more palatable.
If t... | > before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first
It's not how we run societies. Laws on theft don't care how much you need the thing you've stolen. Laws on rape don't care how much you wanted to have sex. Laws on murder don't care how much you hated the person.
... | 11fygpy | CMV: before we restrict abortions, shouldn't we at least make it easier for women to raise a child first | We all no abortion is trying to be banned by pro-birthers. My argument has NOTHING to do with "ethics" and "religious views" because that changes from person to person. My argument also has nothing to do if the woman shouldn't have sex or not because there are many women who need abortions on a wanted baby due to medic... | loadind_graphics | 6 | 6 | [
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CMV: Feminism is a bad name for an equality movement, because the name represents a “side” and this creates bias against it.
It is worth noting that I’m not against the movement, just the naming.
I believe that the name “feminism” creates a wrong bias that feminists do not strive for gender equality but for positive ... | The goal of feminism is to bring the rights and expectations of women in society to be equal with those of men. While women’s rights are historically less than they are today, make no mistake, there are still a lot of places where men are more powerful than women by statute and by socialization. Feminism still has a pl... | Egalitarianism is probably the word you're looking for, lots of people prefer it, but feminism is a movement that was founded on the goal of bringing women up, and working for women. Yes, gender equality benefits everyone, and men can be and are involved in feminist work, but it is largely comprised of women, and has b... | at75fe | CMV: Feminism is a bad name for an equality movement, because the name represents a “side” and this creates bias against it. | It is worth noting that I’m not against the movement, just the naming.
I believe that the name “feminism” creates a wrong bias that feminists do not strive for gender equality but for positive discrimination for women. This is because it has the root “feminine” and is seen generally as purely a women movement. It is a... | Thencanthen | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: If you use statistics to prove that you should be afraid of black people on the street, you should also believe everyone who claims to be a victim of sexual assault
This is a fairly simply statistical point of view. Those who attempt to justify their fear of black people on the streets, and who defend their insti... | Fear of an issue and belief of an issue are not the same thing.
I am scared of rattlesnakes because they could bite me. Is not the same thing as every injury from someone in the desert should be presumed to a rattlesnake injury even if they say so
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EDIT - The fear you're describing isn't motivated by stats. I'm... | Heres the difference; defensive measures versus offensive measures.
Theres no harm to anybody if you cross the street because its statistically safer. Sure, that person might not be. But, taking protective measures doesnt hurt anybody.
When you condemn someone for sexual assault, you're ruining their lives. Its the ... | at6f3s | CMV: If you use statistics to prove that you should be afraid of black people on the street, you should also believe everyone who claims to be a victim of sexual assault | This is a fairly simply statistical point of view. Those who attempt to justify their fear of black people on the streets, and who defend their instinctual tighter clutching of possessions etc argue that black people are more likely to commit crime. Assuming for the moment that's true, and that despite the low probabil... | VertigoOne | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The supreme court decision to not prevent partisan gerrymandering will significantly decrease the power of a vote.
Today, the Supreme Court [declined to do anything](https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-political-gerrymander-ruling-11561642594) about partisan gerrymandering in states like North Carolina.
T... | When voting for the president, the senate, and the governor, the district lines don't matter at all.
It is just when voting for the house and state legislature that districts come into play.
So I'd argue that a huge chunk of important parts of your vote are completely unaffected by gerrymandering.
But on top of that... | My state did a ballot initiative to change state constitution to require a “non partisan“ commission to draw the lines. It passed. Supreme Court not needed. We did it all by ourselves without our parents telling us to.
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Yeah, but what happens when the other party comes into power? Like, what's stopping them from ... | c6eszc | CMV: The supreme court decision to not prevent partisan gerrymandering will significantly decrease the power of a vote. | Today, the Supreme Court [declined to do anything](https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-political-gerrymander-ruling-11561642594) about partisan gerrymandering in states like North Carolina.
Their argument was basically that the court does not have the constitutional power to "reallocate political power between ... | Dest123 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Men do not belong anywhere near gynecological studies/ OB-GYN.
I don’t really understand the value that a male gynecologist brings into OB-GYN space. Womens’ bodies function differently than men’s, and since women have been historically underrepresented in medical studies in general, our complaints at a regular p... | Now is a good time to ask. What information can I show you to change your view?
If you can’t think of anything, this post should be banned
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Evidence of any occurrences where men have provided genuinely positive contributions into the field? Evidence that contradicts any of my claims besides just saying “You’re b... | Is this rage bait? I saw a male gyno at the hospital when I had a uterus infection. He suspected an infection. He took an internal swab and confirmed it was. He gave me anti-biotics. He was nice throughout.
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looks like you forgot to read the part where I said I understand that not every single man is a pervert or ... | 1khptdb | CMV: Men do not belong anywhere near gynecological studies/ OB-GYN. | I don’t really understand the value that a male gynecologist brings into OB-GYN space. Womens’ bodies function differently than men’s, and since women have been historically underrepresented in medical studies in general, our complaints at a regular primary care physicians office are often dismissed out of ignorance. S... | Broad-Hunter-5044 | 3 | 3 | [
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Cmv:Trans women shouldnt be competing with real womem
It's not fair for the biological women as the trans women have went trough male puberty and are taller and have better bone structure for most sports. I think we have come too far in being politically correct and we should not let everything slide. I'm not anti tra... | >You might say it's fair because they are using test blocker for a year but that doesn't take away the length and size of your body.
Actually yes it does. Testosterone levels are the biggest determinant of athletic advantage, by far. https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/39/5/803/5052770
>>This wide, bimodal sex diff... | FYI: the opposite of 'Trans' is 'Cis', not 'Real'.
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I'm telling you the scientifically accepted terms. Trans women being real is not a debate I will engage in. | h0j67r | Cmv:Trans women shouldnt be competing with real womem | It's not fair for the biological women as the trans women have went trough male puberty and are taller and have better bone structure for most sports. I think we have come too far in being politically correct and we should not let everything slide. I'm not anti trans by any means but I'm not pro ether I just don't care... | AkFiN | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Its probably a 50/50 chance of either guy becoming president
EVERYONE seems to be so sure, even Fox news that Biden will be the 46th president of the United States. And while I personally despise nationalism and racist populist sentiment, i dont think hes a shoe-in despite what the media says. Trump could very ea... | To win a legal battle, he has to have some sort of reasonable case to make. So far, he doesn’t seem to have one. There has been no evidence of fraud or illegal activity. His attempts to litigate have been met with derision by the judges so far as he has not offered any evidence of wrongdoing. So right now, he has as mu... | You're determining that it's 50/50 seemingly based on the idea of "trump either wins the legal challenges, or he doesn't". But those two outcomes aren't equal chance events.
As far as I can see, and I'm no legal scholar by any means, the chances of Trump actually winning *any* of these lawsuits are pretty slim. Not t... | jqw9k2 | CMV: Its probably a 50/50 chance of either guy becoming president | EVERYONE seems to be so sure, even Fox news that Biden will be the 46th president of the United States. And while I personally despise nationalism and racist populist sentiment, i dont think hes a shoe-in despite what the media says. Trump could very easily win just one or two of his legal battles, get the right preced... | [deleted] | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: 13 reasons why I hate being a man
I was raised solely by my mom and spent most of my time among girls/woman, the idea of masculinity never appealed to me I'll explain it, 19(m)
1. **having to deal with hair growing on your everywhere,** and I meant it, hair on back ? as a child I absolutely despised it, now that... | On some level all of these have to do with appearances. You aren't unhappy because you are a man. You are unhappy because you have no internalized identity. Don't base your self-worth on how you appear to others. That way lies madness. To be clear, I am not saying some, "Be yourself, follow your dreams!" corny platitud... | I'm not sure what view you want changed exactly. Your title is "CMW: 13 reasons why I hate being a man", while your conclusion is "I wish I was born a girl". Do you want to know if women have it easier than men or do you want to not have such a negative view of yourself (and being a man)?
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Both. I hate being an ad... | c6jbzm | CMV: 13 reasons why I hate being a man | I was raised solely by my mom and spent most of my time among girls/woman, the idea of masculinity never appealed to me I'll explain it, 19(m)
1. **having to deal with hair growing on your everywhere,** and I meant it, hair on back ? as a child I absolutely despised it, now that I have them growing everywhere, with is... | Hekapoo126363 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Christianity cannot account for free will either. In fact, the idea of god and hell make freewill unlikely. The illusion of choice is also an issue
Thesis: God created you and your circumstances including past and present and supposedly all of this is apart of a divine plan which he already knows the outcome of. ... | Can you define free will in such way that we can empirically test it?
Or if our observations are not enough define it so that omnipotent being can test for it without resorting to circular reasoning (they use free will detector).
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Tbh though that’s hard determinism in a sense. You can’t have free will is literally my world view and Christianity is just another glaring example of how that’s true to me.
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You presume you are rig... | 1nyopco | CMV: Christianity cannot account for free will either. In fact, the idea of god and hell make freewill unlikely. The illusion of choice is also an issue | Thesis: God created you and your circumstances including past and present and supposedly all of this is apart of a divine plan which he already knows the outcome of. This suggests that he made you a believer or a nonbeliever from the beginning. Additionally, even if you do have choice (which I don’t believe you do), th... | RavenReid666 | 15 | 15 | [
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CMV: "bodily autonomy" is not a valid rationale for opposing OSHA's new regulations on vaccine and/or testing mandates.
I’ve seen a lot of chatter here on Reddit about how vaccine mandates are bad because it violates bodily autonomy. “My body my choice” (henceforth MBMC) doesn’t really hold up as a valid argument agai... | Unfortunately, it is definitely still a violation of bodily autonomy. There is no difference between forcing someone to ingest medicine against their will, and forcing someone to carry an unwanted pregnancy against their will.
The key is, *will*.
Simply on the basis that each person holds with them the *absolute*, un... | Imagine it wasn't the government. Imagine if I as an individual went around fining people $14000 for hiring people who weren't vaccinated or tested, even if the employers and employees agreed to it. This would clearly be a rights violation; in fact, the government would lock me up for theft and/or kidnapping if I execu... | pmae35 | CMV: "bodily autonomy" is not a valid rationale for opposing OSHA's new regulations on vaccine and/or testing mandates. | I’ve seen a lot of chatter here on Reddit about how vaccine mandates are bad because it violates bodily autonomy. “My body my choice” (henceforth MBMC) doesn’t really hold up as a valid argument against these mandates, in my mind.
First, while the headlines scream "vaccine mandates," even a cursory reading of the Pres... | FishFollower74 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Licensing and/or availing of sex work is always going to be somewhat morally sketchy in a society where poverty is a genuine risk that people face
This one is going to be fairly long, but I'll try and make my view as linear as possible here.
First up, there is the very obvious starting point that **sexual activi... | I think your argument can be summarized as follows:
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3. Soliciting sex for money is coercive if they are poor
4. Conclusion: soliciting sex for money from someone who is poor is wrong.
The problem is, you could substitute sex with litera... | Is it morally sketchy to higher someone to do roof work in a society where poverty is a genuine risk ?
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That's not the premise of the OP, however. It was in any ***society*** in whi... | 1cb9mhl | CMV: Licensing and/or availing of sex work is always going to be somewhat morally sketchy in a society where poverty is a genuine risk that people face | This one is going to be fairly long, but I'll try and make my view as linear as possible here.
First up, there is the very obvious starting point that **sexual activity involving someone without that person's consent is seriously wrong**. This is something that nobody really argues with: where we recognise that some s... | forbiddenmemeories | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Geocaching is organized littering
Littering is people leaving stuff in the environment that's not native to the area, geocaching does the same. Although some caches encourage people to replace the item with something else as part of the game, there's still something there that wasn't before.
Why do people get fi... | > Littering is people leaving stuff in the environment that's not native to the area
Isn't there usually a mention of 'trash' in that definition?
> Why do people get fined for littering, but not geocaching?
Because, when done on someone else's land, you get permission for it first
> Maybe it could be replaced w... | Littering is a problem when the litter can be a choking hazard for animals or if it can get swept away by water into a lake. As long as it is placed in a way that it poses no threat, it should be fine.
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Animals aren't the only thing that might be potentially harmed: plants can be too (I've seen geocaches in trees)... | h0epc4 | CMV: Geocaching is organized littering | Littering is people leaving stuff in the environment that's not native to the area, geocaching does the same. Although some caches encourage people to replace the item with something else as part of the game, there's still something there that wasn't before.
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Littering is people leaving stuff in the environment that's not native to the area, geocaching does the same. Although some caches encourage people to replace the item with something else as part of the game, there's still something there that wasn't before.
Why do people get fi... | > Littering is people leaving stuff in the environment that's not native to the area
Isn't there usually a mention of 'trash' in that definition?
> Why do people get fined for littering, but not geocaching?
Because, when done on someone else's land, you get permission for it first
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Animals aren't the only thing that might be potentially harmed: plants can be too (I've seen geocaches in trees)... | h0epc4 | CMV: Geocaching is organized littering | Littering is people leaving stuff in the environment that's not native to the area, geocaching does the same. Although some caches encourage people to replace the item with something else as part of the game, there's still something there that wasn't before.
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CMV: Apple is a deceptive company that relies primarily on brand image to sell its overpriced products.
Apple Inc. used to be a pioneer of technology in the late 20th century with the Macintosh computer and iPod devices, but today they have become a company that relies on inferior rehashes of old technology that they ... | I don't get where you come up with the "Deceptive" moniker for any of this. It's all very well known and out in the open.
If all you're saying is that marketing often stretches the truth, I really don't think Apple's marketing is any more guilty of this than anyone else.
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I mostly see Apple as being one of the ... | I really think you are being somewhat unfair here:
> AND requiring the user to purchase a separate lightning-to-3.5mm adapter that costs $10 and is described as "fragile" and "poorly made".
They give it to you ~~for free~~ _at no additional charge_ in the box when you purchase the phone.
>Mac OS is exclusive to Appl... | 71l9yj | CMV: Apple is a deceptive company that relies primarily on brand image to sell its overpriced products. | Apple Inc. used to be a pioneer of technology in the late 20th century with the Macintosh computer and iPod devices, but today they have become a company that relies on inferior rehashes of old technology that they deem as "innovative" and market for much more than what they are actually worth.
A prime example is the... | Dinoctes | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The worse the current migrant situation gets, the better the long-term prospects for our immigration system.
Personally, I want to allow as many good people into our country as we possibly can. And I want it to be as easy as possible for them to get in. But I also believe that it's responsible for our country to ... | The number of illegal immigrants living in the US is [at its lowest level since 2004](https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1NX07G) — the total number of illegal immigrants in the US is *decreasing*.
[The rate of illegal border crossings are also at all time lows—](https://www.factcheck.or... | These events that are unfolding are just pushing people to more extreme positions. People who believe illegal immigration is the problem have their views reaffirmed by these events. People who believe like you are also having your views reaffirmed by these events.
Why do you think the migration caravan has been a ra... | a1a6w4 | CMV: The worse the current migrant situation gets, the better the long-term prospects for our immigration system. | Personally, I want to allow as many good people into our country as we possibly can. And I want it to be as easy as possible for them to get in. But I also believe that it's responsible for our country to tightly legislate immigration for our safety and security.
Our current immigration procedures don't work. We can't... | singingpunters | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: True Crime biopic/shows need to end
The fact that these shows are even in existence at all is insane. It takes away from the victim(s) entirely and often showcases these serial killers and monsters in an empathetic manner. To me, there is something truly sick about some committing these unspeakable crimes, and th... | Can you name an example of the kind of show you’re talking about?
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Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile or Dahmer.
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I've seen both of these shows.
And while I get that some people might consider that the writing could be interpreted as trying to elicit empathy towards the serial killers, I disagree.
F... | >I am not doubting that these shows don't sometimes portray them in an accurate light, but I also think that often times, the filming style still reads as "look at this badass, kicking ass and taking names"
Can you give some examples of that?
>It also doesn't help that sometimes, these victims family are furiou... | 11eogya | CMV: True Crime biopic/shows need to end | The fact that these shows are even in existence at all is insane. It takes away from the victim(s) entirely and often showcases these serial killers and monsters in an empathetic manner. To me, there is something truly sick about some committing these unspeakable crimes, and then 30 or 40 years later, Hollywood decides... | ceh2000 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Genetics and metabolism don’t play a major role in obesity, and claiming they do is very harmful.
Please keep in mind I’m specifically talking about obesity, not being overweight where both genetics and metabolism do play a much larger role. I am specifically talking about obesity (30%+ BF males; 35%+ BF females)... | Have you considered that things like self-control, impulse-control, ability to plan for the future and ability to self critique. Are all partially genetic?
Cause we assume all of this stuff is just 100% nurture. But is it really?
Suppose some family all lack self control. Is it really a shocker that they are all ob... | > If it’s not genetic, why are there entire families obese?
I mean, it's not just entire families, we can look at this on entire cultures.
[Polynesian islands like American Samoa, Tonga, Tahita have obesity rates of 65-70%.](https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/) Are they all eating unhealthy foods? Are they all s... | 1cb6vnq | CMV: Genetics and metabolism don’t play a major role in obesity, and claiming they do is very harmful. | Please keep in mind I’m specifically talking about obesity, not being overweight where both genetics and metabolism do play a much larger role. I am specifically talking about obesity (30%+ BF males; 35%+ BF females).
At a certain point, most obese people will be gaining muscle as they walk due to the strength needed ... | Panal-Lleno | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Deepfakes should not be regulated, as they are protected speech
There have been pushes to make the [production of Deepfakes illegal](https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/13/deepfakes-accountability-act-would-impose-unenforceable-rules-but-its-a-start/), and I think this is would be a mistake. For those not in the know,... |
Deepfakes are unquestionably fraud and identity theft. If you use a deepfake to spoof a video about a political opponent, that is also slander. The first amendment protects you to say and do as you please, but it doesn't protect you from the consequences of your actions.
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> If you use a deepfake to spoof a v... | A person owns the rights to their image and their images use. That is why news channels or anyone wanting to produce videos for public consumption must get permission. Deepfakes would not be considered art, but would be considered infringement on person’s image rights.
This would not be considered a derivative work b... | c6dhxa | CMV: Deepfakes should not be regulated, as they are protected speech | There have been pushes to make the [production of Deepfakes illegal](https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/13/deepfakes-accountability-act-would-impose-unenforceable-rules-but-its-a-start/), and I think this is would be a mistake. For those not in the know, Deepfakes are created using neural nets in order to superimpose the i... | Raptorzesty | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Deepfakes should not be regulated, as they are protected speech
There have been pushes to make the [production of Deepfakes illegal](https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/13/deepfakes-accountability-act-would-impose-unenforceable-rules-but-its-a-start/), and I think this is would be a mistake. For those not in the know,... | A person owns the rights to their image and their images use. That is why news channels or anyone wanting to produce videos for public consumption must get permission. Deepfakes would not be considered art, but would be considered infringement on person’s image rights.
This would not be considered a derivative work b... | The article you linked had some very sensible suggestions to allow the production of them and have them easily identifiable as deepfakes and allows unwilling participants to sue if they have damages.
What is the issue with this?
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CMV: Almost irregardless of opinion, if we expect someone to change their views we have to be the “better person.”
I was having this conversation with my gf today, who is asian (which is applicable, explained later.) I basically take the viewpoint that no matter how abhorrent, unless in the most extreme circumstances,... | What do you do when you're dealing with people who are acting in bad faith or grifting for capital gain?
If you treat these people as 'good' people and platform harmful views then aren't you doing a net harm?
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That’s really where my opinion diverges, because a lot of the time i really can’t tell if someone is act... | [removed]
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Not really almost universally the republican and conservatives who get called racist are just racist.
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Well, thanks for demonstrating my point.
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Show me qn example of a truly non racist conservative or republican that gets called racist but actually isnt.
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Trump, Tucker Carlson, pretty mu... | pm48p2 | CMV: Almost irregardless of opinion, if we expect someone to change their views we have to be the “better person.” | I was having this conversation with my gf today, who is asian (which is applicable, explained later.) I basically take the viewpoint that no matter how abhorrent, unless in the most extreme circumstances, should you condemn someone’s line of reasoning/ morality for almost any given topic. To put it better, racists, hom... | llftpokapr | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Men should be exonerated (relieved or absolved) from paying child support if they report that they do not want the baby before the abortion cutoff time
This came up as I was reading a post in r/sex and I decided to bring my opinion here when I realized I was on the fence. I see both sides of the argument and, as ... | But in the large picture it is fair. Every man who engages in unprotected sex does so at the risk of having a baby. Every woman who engages in unprotected does so at the risk of the man bailing, resulting in her raising a child on her own. Both are massive risks that are being taken and everyone is aware of those risks... | This has come up before, and the usual answer is: It ends up hurting the kid.
The man's rights to not pay money don't override the child's right to survive.
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Why should the man be the one to pay for it?
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This came up as I was reading a post in r/sex and I decided to bring my opinion here when I realized I was on the fence. I see both sides of the argument and, as ... | This has come up before, and the usual answer is: It ends up hurting the kid.
The man's rights to not pay money don't override the child's right to survive.
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My apologies if it is that common, thanks for the reply.
I hear that answer and if after pondering it a while I cave, I'll return here to give you a (delt-a... | There is only one time when both the man and the women are on equal grounds - when they have sex.
If we grant the man a 'way out' then the women is forced to decide at the time of sex if she will have an abortion OR that the consequence of having sex is to raise the child alone.
In this situation the man can say "f... | 6lr2pd | CMV: Men should be exonerated (relieved or absolved) from paying child support if they report that they do not want the baby before the abortion cutoff time | This came up as I was reading a post in r/sex and I decided to bring my opinion here when I realized I was on the fence. I see both sides of the argument and, as a guy, I often feel like nobody sees the male side of the story in todays world where feminism and liberal ideas are spreading rapidly. Let me clarify I am no... | sirvictorspounder | 6 | 6 | [
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This came up as I was reading a post in r/sex and I decided to bring my opinion here when I realized I was on the fence. I see both sides of the argument and, as ... | That makes sense under the idea that both people are okay with abortions and if the woman doesn't want to raise the child herself she can just abort.
Many women believe that their fetuses are people. They can't be said to have a right in the matter. Imagine if it were legal to kill your kid up to a month after they we... | This has come up before, and the usual answer is: It ends up hurting the kid.
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>Why should the man be the one to pay for it?
If the woman is raising the child, she is also paying for ... | 6lr2pd | CMV: Men should be exonerated (relieved or absolved) from paying child support if they report that they do not want the baby before the abortion cutoff time | This came up as I was reading a post in r/sex and I decided to bring my opinion here when I realized I was on the fence. I see both sides of the argument and, as a guy, I often feel like nobody sees the male side of the story in todays world where feminism and liberal ideas are spreading rapidly. Let me clarify I am no... | sirvictorspounder | 3 | 3 | [
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This came up as I was reading a post in r/sex and I decided to bring my opinion here when I realized I was on the fence. I see both sides of the argument and, as ... | That makes sense under the idea that both people are okay with abortions and if the woman doesn't want to raise the child herself she can just abort.
Many women believe that their fetuses are people. They can't be said to have a right in the matter. Imagine if it were legal to kill your kid up to a month after they we... | This has come up before, and the usual answer is: It ends up hurting the kid.
The man's rights to not pay money don't override the child's right to survive.
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My apologies if it is that common, thanks for the reply.
I hear that answer and if after pondering it a while I cave, I'll return here to give you a (delt-a... | 6lr2pd | CMV: Men should be exonerated (relieved or absolved) from paying child support if they report that they do not want the baby before the abortion cutoff time | This came up as I was reading a post in r/sex and I decided to bring my opinion here when I realized I was on the fence. I see both sides of the argument and, as a guy, I often feel like nobody sees the male side of the story in todays world where feminism and liberal ideas are spreading rapidly. Let me clarify I am no... | sirvictorspounder | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Landlords aren't bad, and are just the same as any investor
I don't understand all the hate toward landlords. The way I see it they are just like any other investor. for example: if I had a set amount of money, say 100000, and i wanted to invest it. There were 2 options: buy a tesla stock, or buy an apartment to ... | The difference between land and many other resources, is that land is finite. Manhattan isn't getting any bigger.
I cannot grow my own land, I cannot build my own land, I cannot learn to construct my own land, I cannot obtain land in any way besides buying existing land or renting.
While something like copper or ti... | Landlords themselves are not bad. We rent and have nothing but good things to say about the gentleman we rent our home from.
However, if a landlord is buying land and homes and not taking proper care of them, or not charging fair, market value for the space then that’s the issue I have. It’s no different than any oth... | mb3oh8 | CMV: Landlords aren't bad, and are just the same as any investor | I don't understand all the hate toward landlords. The way I see it they are just like any other investor. for example: if I had a set amount of money, say 100000, and i wanted to invest it. There were 2 options: buy a tesla stock, or buy an apartment to supplement my income. Obviously there are bad landlords that mistr... | State16 | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: Buddhism is more a philosophy than a religion
One definition of philosophy from Dictionary.com is “the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.” This is indeed something that fits into Buddhism very snugly. The Buddha’s Not to mention, the Buddha’s teachings emphasized ... | There are a lot of different definitions of religion. What is yours?
One is "a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance." It would seem to me that Buddhism qualifies under that one at least, if not more.
Also, Buddhism includes some supernatural elements (such as "rebirth" or reincarnation), w... | Every religion has philosophical elements, and I take it you acknowledge that Buddhism is a religion. The question your CMV raises is whether Buddhism is *more* of a philosophy than a religion. To this I must ask, how do you quantify the philosophy-ness and religion-ness of any belief system, and how much religion-ness... | 9ji8iv | CMV: Buddhism is more a philosophy than a religion | One definition of philosophy from Dictionary.com is “the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.” This is indeed something that fits into Buddhism very snugly. The Buddha’s Not to mention, the Buddha’s teachings emphasized personal practice and adhering to moral principles a... | iam4real | 9 | 9 | [
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CMV: Saying communism in the USSR/Cuba didn’t work because a capitalist nation refused to trade with them is proof that communism doesn’t work
Every nation operates in the global economy. Every country imports and exports goods.
Needless to say, one of the main goals of any economic system should be practically. I’d ... | What would change your mind, exactly?
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This is basically stating that nothing will change your mind, since you are asking for an event that hasn't happened in history.
Shouldn't you consider requirements more lax than domination such a... | In that scenario, as long as a totalitarian state-run economy could isolate and embargo any potential capitalist country into poverty, that would be proof that Capitalism can't work?
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This is a hyp... | 1j1b53u | CMV: Saying communism in the USSR/Cuba didn’t work because a capitalist nation refused to trade with them is proof that communism doesn’t work | Every nation operates in the global economy. Every country imports and exports goods.
Needless to say, one of the main goals of any economic system should be practically. I’d argue that’s the most important facet.
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CMV: The words 'islamphobe' or 'islamphobia' are now thrown around too easily such that they lost meaning
Definition of islamphobe on google: dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.
My position is that it is OK to criticize Islam (aka the religion), but it is NOT ok to cri... | I think part of it is: What purpose do you have in criticizing Islam in the first place? Why did it occur to you? Why are you treating Islam, which is enormously diverse, as a single thing? And even more important: Why do you attribute an issue to Islam per se rather than some other cultural factors (or an interacti... | No one’s out here confusing islamaphobia with criticism. There’s a clear line.
However, sometimes a person lets them overlap, being both critical, and expressing fear and hatred. People can be more than one thing. Sometimes they’re bigots *and* critics.
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Or what's wrong wi... | 97tn23 | CMV: The words 'islamphobe' or 'islamphobia' are now thrown around too easily such that they lost meaning | Definition of islamphobe on google: dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.
My position is that it is OK to criticize Islam (aka the religion), but it is NOT ok to criticize the Muslim people as people.
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CMV: Political Polarization appears to be killing progress on pretty much every issue and we are doomed if we don't reverse course
I strongly believe that the way we have become so polarized political is a huge threat to the American Experiment. Here are my assumptions
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2.Consent laws are a w... | Your argument is kind of all over the place sir/ma'am. You may want to focus on a few key issues so we can properly rebut your stances.
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I apologize. The main point is polarizaion seems to be getting worse across the board. I spent more time on the sexual assault double standard virtually everyone seems to have ... | I'm not sure you're going to get anyone on here to argue that polarization is *good*. It's not. Being very divided is hurting discourse and progress and is quite unquestionable not a position a country wants to be in.
But, there is two points I want to make here. First, there is hypocrisy everywhere - it doesn't m... | 5w1d1y | CMV: Political Polarization appears to be killing progress on pretty much every issue and we are doomed if we don't reverse course | I strongly believe that the way we have become so polarized political is a huge threat to the American Experiment. Here are my assumptions
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CMV: Single-issue voting is a poor approach to voting
My position is that single-issue voting is a poor approach to voting. (Note: I am coming to this CMV from the perspective of someone who mostly just follows U.S. politics, but I welcome discussion of how it plays out in other countries.)
By single-issue voting, I ... | > For example, choosing a pediatrician for your child? Sure, making sure the doctor is well-qualified and well-trained to give excellent medical care is super important for most people.
You are comparing competing benefits/costs, with a deal breaker. For example, "Yeah this pediatrician is affordable, in network, real... | How broad must a voter's one view become before it no longer counts as "single-issue voting?" If someone's chief and only concern when choosing a candidate to vote for is "the economy" or "liberty" (however vague that may be), are they a single-issue voter?
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By single-issue voting, I mean: voting only on the basis of a candidate's (or a p... | onomatopoeiahadafarm | 5 | 5 | [
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My position is that single-issue voting is a poor approach to voting. (Note: I am coming to this CMV from the perspective of someone who mostly just follows U.S. politics, but I welcome discussion of how it plays out in other countries.)
By single-issue voting, I ... | > For example, choosing a pediatrician for your child? Sure, making sure the doctor is well-qualified and well-trained to give excellent medical care is super important for most people.
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CMV: The only positive to come out of Trumps leadership is strengthening Kier Starmers leadership
Think about it. Starmer is already being praised by Americans, Brits and other Europeans by all parts of the political spectrum, left and right.
All this man had to do was hug the Ukrainian President and have a nice chat... | Starmer's leadership has not actually been strengthened, it just looks better by comparison.
Maintaining the status quo from all previous administrations doesn't really do anything to prove his capability.
Starmer was given the opportunity on his trip to the US to directly address Trump's rhetoric regarding the anne... | Do you expect these UK to replace the US as a dominant world power?
I mean Finland, Poland and Sweden also made nice with Zelenskyy. They have much less baggage than the UK.
This hero worship isn't really conducive to anything..
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I don't expect that in certain terms, no. We aren't nearly as rich or as powerfu... | 1j1cfj3 | CMV: The only positive to come out of Trumps leadership is strengthening Kier Starmers leadership | Think about it. Starmer is already being praised by Americans, Brits and other Europeans by all parts of the political spectrum, left and right.
All this man had to do was hug the Ukrainian President and have a nice chat with him and it is being slurped up.
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CMV: Granting the premise that a foetus is a person but then using the bodily autonomy argument in favour of abortion is illogical.
Some time ago, I read a discussion here on reddit about abortion. One person granted the other that foetus are legal persons and have rights, but used the bodily autonomy argument in favo... | The fetus is using the mother's body to live, if the mother has bodily autonomy then regardless of the fetus came to be using her body to live, she has the right to say no, you cannot use my body in this manner. Thus she has the right to an abortion.
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This is the part that I don't understand, the mother chose to c... | >Once you make this argument, you have to include the fact that the foetus - now considered a full person with his own rights - did not make the choice to be created in the first place. The people involved in the sexual act did.
Choosing to be put into the position where you require the use of someone else's body to s... | 97vcxs | CMV: Granting the premise that a foetus is a person but then using the bodily autonomy argument in favour of abortion is illogical. | Some time ago, I read a discussion here on reddit about abortion. One person granted the other that foetus are legal persons and have rights, but used the bodily autonomy argument in favour of abortion.
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CMV: Granting the premise that a foetus is a person but then using the bodily autonomy argument in favour of abortion is illogical.
Some time ago, I read a discussion here on reddit about abortion. One person granted the other that foetus are legal persons and have rights, but used the bodily autonomy argument in favo... | The fetus is using the mother's body to live, if the mother has bodily autonomy then regardless of the fetus came to be using her body to live, she has the right to say no, you cannot use my body in this manner. Thus she has the right to an abortion.
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This is the part that I don't understand, the mother chose to c... | Let's say that an abortion was performed as an operation where the fetus is simply removed from the body without killing it. Since it is almost certainly not viable at that stage, it will die. That way, both of their bodily autonomies are being respected.
What's then the difference between passively and actively kill... | 97vcxs | CMV: Granting the premise that a foetus is a person but then using the bodily autonomy argument in favour of abortion is illogical. | Some time ago, I read a discussion here on reddit about abortion. One person granted the other that foetus are legal persons and have rights, but used the bodily autonomy argument in favour of abortion.
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Some time ago, I read a discussion here on reddit about abortion. One person granted the other that foetus are legal persons and have rights, but used the bodily autonomy argument in favo... | Let's say that an abortion was performed as an operation where the fetus is simply removed from the body without killing it. Since it is almost certainly not viable at that stage, it will die. That way, both of their bodily autonomies are being respected.
What's then the difference between passively and actively kill... | The fetus is using the mother's body to live, if the mother has bodily autonomy then regardless of the fetus came to be using her body to live, she has the right to say no, you cannot use my body in this manner. Thus she has the right to an abortion.
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CMV: One can't do philosophy and still believe in god.
I don't think a philosopher, or a person who thinks about the principles of philosophy, can believe in god or be religious in any way. In my opinion, if someone has done enough philosophy, if someone has thought critically about where our need for a god and religi... | ERROR: type should be string, got "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy\n\nPhilosophy covers axiology. This certain branch concerns itself with the \"value\" of things and the value of a thing's nature. Take ethics for example. Both sides can be argued that you need or do not need a God to ascertain a moral code of ethics. However, the jury is still out on what creates a sense of morality. The golden rule, both theologically and in considering the absence of any God, that \"rule\" stands true. Theologically, it was given to \"us\" (referring to the Christian POV) by the divine one's only son. Naturally, it just means we don't do something because through empathy, we understand the negative outcome and possible reciprocation of that particular event or action. But the mere fact that scientists haven't been able to provide the answer as to where our sense of morality and ethics comes from leaves room for the idea that a being that is greater than which we are but can still be perceived on an ethical level is a possibility greater than 0%.\n\n---\n\nI'm not questioning the effect of theology on ethics, that's evident based on what we've built as a theist society. Moral reasoning and moral behavior are innate, they're biological and cultural traits. \nI'm focusing solely on the existence of a higher being, which can't be proven, therefore shouldn't be believed in according to the principles of philosophy. \n\n---\n\nWell a google search brings up the definition \"the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience.\"\n\nThat is also a universal understanding of philosophy. So although the existence hasn't been proven, by definition alone it will be said that the study or belief in a God is theoretical, thus in line with philosophy.\n\n---\n\nIt's possible to believe in god as a theory. A supposition, a hypothesis... which brings us back to agnosticism. \n\n---\n\nAgnosticism is a modifier not a stand alone belief as you seem to think. There are Agnostic Theists and Agnostic Atheists. \n\nIn fact most modern Christians are from the Agnostic Branch which deals more with faith that God exists rather than attempting to prove he exists by gaining knowledge which was the Gnostic Branch. The Gnostic Branch was deemed heretical sometime between the 200s and 400s AD and eliminated during that time. It did not re-occur in the mainstream of the faith till after the Protestant reformation and is a minority in Christianity today. " | > I know some well-known philosophers were religious, but generally speaking they were active in a time where the nonexistence of a higher being seemed rather unlikely given how little they knew about science.
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CMV: One can't do philosophy and still believe in god.
I don't think a philosopher, or a person who thinks about the principles of philosophy, can believe in god or be religious in any way. In my opinion, if someone has done enough philosophy, if someone has thought critically about where our need for a god and religi... | There are plenty of current active philosophers who believe in god. It's a minority opinion in the field but it's way more than 0%. [This source](http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-percentage-of-philosophers-believe-in-god-485784336) says 14.6% of current philosophers are theists
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CMV: There is so little evidence to support/explain how an afterlife could be possible that believing in it is foolish.
Given everything we understand about consciousness, it seems pretty clear that the brain is required for any kind of conscious experience, and that once a brain that is not functioning, or has rotted... | So I am not necessarily a religious person, but I am intrigued by the idea of an afterlife (like most people, I would imagine). However, I think that there is a certain arrogance in thinking that it is inherently foolish to believe in something that can't be proved. Understand that I don't mean to say that *you* are be... | There is so little evidence to support/explain how matter and energy being created out of nothingness could be possible, so believing in matter is foolish.
Science doesn't, and can't, explain everything that happens. So why would you assume that absence of science means an afterlife doesn't exist? Hell, on this vary... | nzrxw8 | CMV: There is so little evidence to support/explain how an afterlife could be possible that believing in it is foolish. | Given everything we understand about consciousness, it seems pretty clear that the brain is required for any kind of conscious experience, and that once a brain that is not functioning, or has rotted away all together, there will be no other consciousness to speak off.
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CMV: The idea that "bans don't work because criminals don't obey laws" is a bad argument, and it makes no sense.
Firstly, most criminals are not going to go to extreme lengths to commit crimes. They are opportunists. If it's easy and they can get away with it then more people will do it. If it's hard and they'll get c... | To your second point, saying laws don't work isn't something to take literally. Obviously the law is inanimate so it alone can't do anything. When someone says that it's typically meant that the law doesn't work because it's not enforced. It's just easier and shorter to say the law doesn't work and then elaborate if so... | [removed]
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>Laws give government authority to intervene on the victims behalf. But there has to be A VICTIM.
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CMV: The intentional disproportionate allocation of financial aid for college in favor of women is slowly pushing men out of the middle class and needs to end.
The amount of money allocated for federal grants for college education is predetermined at the start of the year, and does not discriminate based on gender. Th... | If you’re looking for special treatment for a group in admissions, the Supreme Court had something to say about that a couple of years back.
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Right, but what systemic solution is there beyond affirmative action, which has been outlawed?
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Because I would assume it would be talked about more.
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Why do you think it might not be, assuming it's not (I don't know myself how much it is or isn't)?
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CMV: The right to protest against the government in the US is a facade that makes citizens think they have way more power than they actually do, and most modern-day protests are a waste of time and resources
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Would no knock warrants still be allowed if it weren't for protests?
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CMV: The US two-party monopoly and the culture around it is a tool of oppression and class warfare
So essentially the premise of my point starts with my belief that at the core of the Democrats’ and the Republicans’ leadership are oligarchical and amorally capitalistic super elites that essentially form a loose Unipar... | >In the paraphrased words of George Carlin, you don’t need a formal conspiracy for the wealthy and powerful to do everything they can to keep and grow their wealth and power.
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CMV: Straight women don't exist
I have seen tons of straight women who has no problem making out or "experimenting" with other women.
Most straight women watch lesbian porn, which i have seen a lot of straight women explain it as that they are just attracted to the acts of women getting pleasure not the women themsel... | What type of evidence, data or argument would change your mind? Cos I reckon none would.
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2. The only reason women date men, our natural predators we compare to bears and consider more dangerous than bears, is because we can't help how we feel about them. We do not feel this way towards women if we are straight and nothing helps, even though we w... | 1gf3e78 | CMV: Straight women don't exist | I have seen tons of straight women who has no problem making out or "experimenting" with other women.
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cmv: ai art isn't art. Humans aren't computers
Art is representitive of a conscious self, machines don't have a conscious self. A computer can't express their unique subjective experience into art because they aren't conscious. This is a necessary condition for art.
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AI art isn't computers making art, it's humans using AI to make art
> If you accept AI being art... | 1iyp5h6 | cmv: ai art isn't art. Humans aren't computers | Art is representitive of a conscious self, machines don't have a conscious self. A computer can't express their unique subjective experience into art because they aren't conscious. This is a necessary condition for art.
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CMV: There are two definitions of 'Communism' and as a result when people critique communism they more often then not are attacking something that communists do not support
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You are saying that there are two definitions as if they are both equally valid, but clearly the first definition is incorrect and the second is correct. You could be vehemently pro-capitalist and still learn to recognize that the first definition does not reflect what communists actually believe in any way. It’s o... | maruw4 | CMV: There are two definitions of 'Communism' and as a result when people critique communism they more often then not are attacking something that communists do not support | When communism is brought up the biggest issue in having a conversation about it is that there are two very different things represented by one word.
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CMV:Transgender people have a mental illness (body dysmorphia)
I know this is a very controversial topic and I want to start off by saying I bear no ill will for anyone I am honestly here seeking the other side to the issue. I don't understand how transgender people are not suffering from a version of body dysmorphia... | > It would not be appropriate to remove a person's otherwise healthy legs why is it ok to do so to a person's genitals?
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cmv: People That "cough" During Conversation are Assholes🙄
By all means I'm definitely curious to see how people will change my mind with this. So this has been something I've started noticing for probably the last 4 or so years. It's been countless time where someone's telling me a story and I'm so bought in on ever... | Speaker is telling a story and is about to reveal information to the audience that he's not allowed to or supposed to share/divulge. Someone aware of the situation realizes this and clears their throat to alert the speaker and remind them.
Not an asshole.
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Well yeah...Its how I feel lol... true true but what about for the "purposeful" ones.
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People who cough dur... | 101tzif | cmv: People That "cough" During Conversation are Assholes🙄 | By all means I'm definitely curious to see how people will change my mind with this. So this has been something I've started noticing for probably the last 4 or so years. It's been countless time where someone's telling me a story and I'm so bought in on every single word. Then, suddenly a random throat clearing comes ... | legacy333 | 3 | 3 | [
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By all means I'm definitely curious to see how people will change my mind with this. So this has been something I've started noticing for probably the last 4 or so years. It's been countless time where someone's telling me a story and I'm so bought in on ever... | What about people with long covid? They can't help coughing and are a meaningful part of the population.
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You don't come off as very a... | 101tzif | cmv: People That "cough" During Conversation are Assholes🙄 | By all means I'm definitely curious to see how people will change my mind with this. So this has been something I've started noticing for probably the last 4 or so years. It's been countless time where someone's telling me a story and I'm so bought in on every single word. Then, suddenly a random throat clearing comes ... | legacy333 | 5 | 5 | [
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cmv: gun control laws would not have prevented Charlie Kirk's death
So I think a point I disagree with is people associating Charlie's 2nd amendment stance with his unfortunate passing. I think this confuses types of weapons and types of shootings.
The arguments for gun control are typically associated with mass shoo... | A key oversight in the OP is the form of gun control. Lots of countries - like Canada - employ both restrictions on specific types of firearms *and* regulate who can own firearms. That second part is key, because it's a type of gun control that largely does prevent violent people from getting their hands on firearms. P... | >It would require banning nearly all guns, which is far more difficult than what gun control advocates call for.
Is banning all guns not *a* form of gun control though? And would it not have, if not prevented the shooting, at least made it less likely?
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Do you have evidence of an effort to ban all guns though ? L... | 1ndracw | cmv: gun control laws would not have prevented Charlie Kirk's death | So I think a point I disagree with is people associating Charlie's 2nd amendment stance with his unfortunate passing. I think this confuses types of weapons and types of shootings.
The arguments for gun control are typically associated with mass shootings. We all know the story. Someone gets an AR-15, or some type of ... | Healthy_Shine_8587 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Most dating preferences don’t ever *need* to be changed if the person who holds them doesn’t want to change them
There are very few people on this earth who are willing to partner any and everybody. Everybody has some sort of exclusion/inclusion criteria for their dating pursuits and it is my view that criteria (... | CMV: Most dating preferences don’t ever *need* to be changed if the person who holds them doesn’t want to change them
There are very few people on this earth who are willing to partner any and everybody. Everybody has some sort of exclusion/inclusion criteria for their dating pursuits and it is my view that criteria (... | Why do you want to change this view?
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I described in this comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/s/196FGJQXqs
i want to see if I can better understand the viewpoint of people who believe the rhetoric I’m referring to
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You should read the rules of this sub. It's intended for posters who *actually... | 1j10dsy | CMV: Most dating preferences don’t ever *need* to be changed if the person who holds them doesn’t want to change them | There are very few people on this earth who are willing to partner any and everybody. Everybody has some sort of exclusion/inclusion criteria for their dating pursuits and it is my view that criteria (aka preference) such as physical appearance, race, occupation/income, intellect, gender/sexual orientation, cultural, r... | bobothecarniclown | 7 | 6 | [
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CMV: Late stage capitalism produces oppression in foreign countries that are used for natural resources.
Consider the prices of products in the US. Really cheap right? They stay cheap because corporations buy huge amounts of land(and therefore natural resources) and pay the workers nothing to keep production costs low... | What makes you think capitalism is late stage? There is nothing to indicate that the USA, Europe or most of Asia will change the current system, very metric for living standards are improving every year.
Despite your assertion that the workers are not being payed adequately we live in a time where poor people get gout... | Very neat theory. Any proof?
> They stay cheap because corporations buy huge amounts of land(and therefore natural resources) and pay the workers nothing to keep production costs low. This is good for a while, but when the people of that nation want to grow beyond the wages given by the corporation, they have nowhere ... | 7mzadt | CMV: Late stage capitalism produces oppression in foreign countries that are used for natural resources. | Consider the prices of products in the US. Really cheap right? They stay cheap because corporations buy huge amounts of land(and therefore natural resources) and pay the workers nothing to keep production costs low. This is good for a while, but when the people of that nation want to grow beyond the wages given by the ... | franksinatraisbest | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Truth is an objective concept and should not be termed in the same manner as subjective concepts which are true for the individual
My viewpoint on Truth is that Truth is an objective reality that can be reproduced by anyone who seeks to observe the thing claimed by an individual to be True.
Subjective truths lik... | So what's your answer to the philosophical concept "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
And if the answer is yes, then consider the question, how is objective truth determined, who is authorized to determine what is truth and what is not, etc
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If a tree falls in a f... | But a statement like "God exists" has many real implications for the real world so it would have to be an objective statement.
And you can not disprove a negative. Any such statement is equally as right/wrong. I personally think basing your life on the chance that one of these infinite number of statements is true, is... | xkwboi | CMV: Truth is an objective concept and should not be termed in the same manner as subjective concepts which are true for the individual | My viewpoint on Truth is that Truth is an objective reality that can be reproduced by anyone who seeks to observe the thing claimed by an individual to be True.
Subjective truths like the notion that God exists may be true for the individual: like it is for me. Gods existence is subjective because there is no proof th... | thecowintheroom | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Reddit ads are a waste of money
I get that Reddit needs those ads to survive and I get that especially smaller projects will get some exposure, but man, those ads are lame!
I'm ignoring practically all ads on the internet but usually they are just flat pictures (more annoying popups are just more annoying and wo... | While I agree that a lot of the ads are poorly designed, but if you look from a marketer's perspective, Reddit is a really good place to put ads. Not because of how many people are on it (230 million people on Reddit vs 1 billion on Facebook), but because of the subreddits.
If a video game company wants to get people... | It's the height of hubris to assume that the legitimacy of the entire field of marketing is based on whether YOU like the ads. Businesses want to make money. That's all they're good for. And businesses wouldn't spend millions of dollars on ads if spending that money didn't make them MORE money in the long-run.
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Wi... | icms0x | CMV: Reddit ads are a waste of money | I get that Reddit needs those ads to survive and I get that especially smaller projects will get some exposure, but man, those ads are lame!
I'm ignoring practically all ads on the internet but usually they are just flat pictures (more annoying popups are just more annoying and won't help the advertiser in any way, in... | ExtremJulius | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Formal/business attire is unnecessary
What I’m saying is that “casual” attire is also decent for office/official visits. Everyone should be able to wear what they are comfortable in and worry about their work and not about whether they are looking good enough or fitting in (in terms of clothing).
This means if... | While you might personally view clothing choices as being devoid of necessity, the vast majority of potential clients and employers would disagree. We demonstrate consideration and care in many many ways. One primary way is through our behavior (show up on time, be polite, know the name of the person you are meeting) b... | There was a study where people were asking money for a bus ticket on the streets. When dressed in dirty jeans and hoody they were less likely to get anything while wearing suits they got the money without effort. Same person, different clothes and different results. What you wear makes a difference.
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Ok, as I said... | nzfr6n | CMV: Formal/business attire is unnecessary |
What I’m saying is that “casual” attire is also decent for office/official visits. Everyone should be able to wear what they are comfortable in and worry about their work and not about whether they are looking good enough or fitting in (in terms of clothing).
This means if someone wants to wear flip flops with jeans... | Apprehensive-Spt88 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It should be legal for children to smoke.
First of all, Nobody should smoke it's a stupid habit and dangerous in the long run. Right now I think most children start smoking because it's cool and it's an adult thing to do. Studies have also shown that the average age people started smoking was around 14-15 and tha... | The insistence that "kids only smoke because it's cool" makes me think you are quite young yourself, and hearing lots of "stop smoking, it won't make you cool" from parents and teachers.
The "cool" factor is just one cause, and it's fading fast due to the bad publicity. I'm pretty sure the appeal of the "forbidden", w... | Your hypothesis doesn't hold up: in developing nations where it is legal* for children to smoke, you will see a higher rate of both young and total smokers. The [WRPO estimates](http://www.wpro.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs_20020528/en/) that:
> Among young teens (aged 13 to 15), about one in five smokes worldwide... | 5vy5ju | CMV: It should be legal for children to smoke. | First of all, Nobody should smoke it's a stupid habit and dangerous in the long run. Right now I think most children start smoking because it's cool and it's an adult thing to do. Studies have also shown that the average age people started smoking was around 14-15 and that most teens perceive cool as doing things you'r... | urlong55 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It should be legal for children to smoke.
First of all, Nobody should smoke it's a stupid habit and dangerous in the long run. Right now I think most children start smoking because it's cool and it's an adult thing to do. Studies have also shown that the average age people started smoking was around 14-15 and tha... | Underage people will continue to smoke because it's cool, but you'd just be giving tobacco products to them easier. They have to get it through a third party, since they're underage, and if you take this away you are making it ridiculously easier for them to get it. Smoking will increase due to this, not decrease.
---... | Smoking appears cool to teens for more reasons than just the fact that they're not allowed to. For example, celebrities, musicians, and historical figures. [The cigarette's role as a signifier of rebellion and freedom goes back generations thanks to tobacco marketers.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom)
... | 5vy5ju | CMV: It should be legal for children to smoke. | First of all, Nobody should smoke it's a stupid habit and dangerous in the long run. Right now I think most children start smoking because it's cool and it's an adult thing to do. Studies have also shown that the average age people started smoking was around 14-15 and that most teens perceive cool as doing things you'r... | urlong55 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It should be legal for children to smoke.
First of all, Nobody should smoke it's a stupid habit and dangerous in the long run. Right now I think most children start smoking because it's cool and it's an adult thing to do. Studies have also shown that the average age people started smoking was around 14-15 and tha... | Underage people will continue to smoke because it's cool, but you'd just be giving tobacco products to them easier. They have to get it through a third party, since they're underage, and if you take this away you are making it ridiculously easier for them to get it. Smoking will increase due to this, not decrease.
---... | The insistence that "kids only smoke because it's cool" makes me think you are quite young yourself, and hearing lots of "stop smoking, it won't make you cool" from parents and teachers.
The "cool" factor is just one cause, and it's fading fast due to the bad publicity. I'm pretty sure the appeal of the "forbidden", w... | 5vy5ju | CMV: It should be legal for children to smoke. | First of all, Nobody should smoke it's a stupid habit and dangerous in the long run. Right now I think most children start smoking because it's cool and it's an adult thing to do. Studies have also shown that the average age people started smoking was around 14-15 and that most teens perceive cool as doing things you'r... | urlong55 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: It should be legal for children to smoke.
First of all, Nobody should smoke it's a stupid habit and dangerous in the long run. Right now I think most children start smoking because it's cool and it's an adult thing to do. Studies have also shown that the average age people started smoking was around 14-15 and tha... | You are looking at this the wrong way. The government accepts that some non-0 percentage of young people will smoke.
Now, It's much more cost effective, to tax Cigarettes at a higher rate so that children who generally have limited/no money outside what their parents will give them as an allowance cannot afford to sm... | The insistence that "kids only smoke because it's cool" makes me think you are quite young yourself, and hearing lots of "stop smoking, it won't make you cool" from parents and teachers.
The "cool" factor is just one cause, and it's fading fast due to the bad publicity. I'm pretty sure the appeal of the "forbidden", w... | 5vy5ju | CMV: It should be legal for children to smoke. | First of all, Nobody should smoke it's a stupid habit and dangerous in the long run. Right now I think most children start smoking because it's cool and it's an adult thing to do. Studies have also shown that the average age people started smoking was around 14-15 and that most teens perceive cool as doing things you'r... | urlong55 | 5 | 5 | [
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