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</poi> |
Market to them directly you know, market on T.V., shows that then currently tend to watch, use marketing tactics that male dominated sports use right now, build more arenas in areas that men happen to live in, not that difficult, cool. So, why is it then that this then creates more infrastructure going on into the futu... |
<poi> |
You mentioned something about girls dropping out due to puberty, could you explain that point a bit further. |
</poi> |
Yeah, because in a lot of circumstances because of sexism once girls start getting their period and a lot of times, there's a lot of pressure to make girls drop out of sports. I think that you destigmatize this to a large extent, once it is that you start normalizing a lot of people playing a sport that is also predomi... |
</pm> |
<lo> |
Two things in this speech, first of all explaining why as a sports organization, you're simply unlikely to succeed and then secondly, explaining the obligations of a major sporting obligation to the people it has already bound itself to. Before that though, two extraneous responses, first, I think they have a good poin... |
<poi> |
So, these athletes probably train their entire lives because they really want to be good at it, I don't think they're suddenly going to pull out. Also, presumably, if these sports already so established, you don't just lose like, funds overnight, right, because presumably you need to build demand sector that score from... |
</poi> |
First, that's a good reason for why we should have a massive we have a disproportionate obligation to the large amount of women who have trained more for the sport than any other group of people but additionally, we also make the observation that governs og themselves says that there are gigantic social pressures again... |
</lo> |
<dpm> |
OG has set up as clear of a debate as you can get. One, this is a major sporting association, so your incentives are to get viewership, attract attention and then profit. Two, the burdens were incredibly clear, OO says that our competition also extends to the nba, also extends the premier league but what we are trying ... |
<poi> |
Do you think any women dominated sport could potentially be in the olympics without increasing participation to men? |
</poi> |
Okay, so this point is basically to say like, look, simone biles and gymnastics are in the olympics these sports are able to get a lot of fame, right, but the issue with that is that it is very temporarily, a temper, temporary and very, uh, yeah, short-termist as an approach to use the olympics to try and get any kinds... |
</dpm> |
<dlo> |
I agree with one thing from the previous speaker, simone biles is absolutely phenomenal. She deserves that spotlight and she better continue to have it and she deserves every single type of fame that you can get. The thing is, is that what is happening at government side is that they have chosen to defend a significant... |
<poi> |
presumably like if you're a high schooler you don't train like seven times a week you train like two or three times, so you can probably coordinate and use the gym simultaneously. It's unclear why you just have to force all individuals to interact and play the same sport together at the same time. |
</poi> |
But most of the time, you have one sports team, most of the time, you have other subjects to go to, you can't say that you're going to make schools do more sports in general and then double the time for everyone that's just significantly unlikely, especially, in these places but because the time for you to be able to i... |
</dlo> |
<mg> |
It's quite telling, the issue of opening oppositions paradigm, because in their world, there's a sharp binary between the type of sports that young boys can play and a sharp binary between the young sports that girls can play. On closing government, we aim to bridge that gap and make sports all inclusive. I also think,... |
<poi> |
So, to clarify, the active trade off is the very existence and investment of a separate male league which naturally takes away resources from the women's league, which is itself a massive risk for sponsors as opposed to a certain benefit of adding new teams to the women league and promoting them instead. |
</poi> |
No no no like, you got more money from the guy team so like, if manchester united gets another team, you got money because people buy jerseys from that team that money then goes into the entire enterprise which you can then reinvest into women’s team. Which presumably they will do because your characterization is that ... |
</mg> |
<mo> |
Panel, when in school in pe, when we had a gymnastics class that was all for boys, most of the boys there decided to pretend they were sick so that they didn't have to look feminine because they thought being flexible was something that was inherently feminine and something that would be embarrassing, the stereotypes t... |
</mo> |
<gw> |
I want to talk about two things, firstly, on why this will succeed in pushing men to participate in the sport and secondly, why this doesn't in fact, push out women in a sport that is already female dominated and therefore, already has traction in supporting fans who are of a certain identity but i want to firstly clea... |
<poi> |
A 30 second trade off seriously cannot be the real trade off in this round, either you will not be successful in setting up a sports league or you will have to spend more time on it which means that you will end up taking away time for the other league. |
</poi> |
One, your comparative is still bad, no one is watching female sports. Just count the number of female leagues that have died in the past couple of years. I don't think there is a sufficient financial alternative on your side. Secondly, even if it is like a half an hour trade up, you're cutting to a female like, a male ... |
</gw> |
<ow> |
Two broad things in the speech first you know, how this is going to change the way in which these leagues generally organize and promote things and then secondly, how this affects the like, the viewership and like the participation of women and what that is the main thing that all of these organizations care about. Sta... |
<poi> |
So, even if people like, men do not play this sport. The creation of private and public infrastructure can still be used by girls as june notes but under status quo, governments and private companies have minimal incentive to invest in girls youth sports, so that's a comparative win for OG. |
</poi> |
Yeah, i think, one, you ignored all of the analysis that it does, as to how we are able to get any of this funding and infrastructure in the first place. Second, your characterization is untrue. I would just posit their own shit on the gymnastics gyms within the US that allowes simone biles to become several times worl... |
<pm> |
Through long-distance methods or just like shared interactions of sharing what your day looks like. We think obviously there's like a priority in the minds of a person, in terms of physical companionship. We think communication or just like this care, respect and like an ability to share about your life are just as imp... |
1) Companionship in themselves when it's expanded to these things, notes that, we think then that sharing of spaces is not just the most important thing in the world physically. Which means that sharing spaces through zoom call or sharing spaces through communication or pre-planning dates which will be of physical natu... |
One, learning to respect choices that individuals make apart from the physical living space that you are forced to share on opps world. That is to say that your prioritization of time might just be different in this world. We think it's a problem on opp, because if you prioritize time even if you're living together, th... |
<POi> To be clear you think this motion primarily applies to premarital couples, i.e. before marriage and before having children.</POi> |
No, I think this debate can be people post marriage also. The fact is, that people post marriage also need to grow, also need to have their own spaces. it essentially becomes a problem. The issue here is that individuals, especially women and developing nations are forced to work around [the] like the culture of what t... |
</pm> |
<lo> |
Let us right off the bat, (provide) a bit of mitigation to opening government because we think they have a very negative view of what relationships are. We think, in most healthy relationships there also exists a healthy level of respect. insofar as you've spent a large amount of time with a certain person you know wha... |
Presumably if you care about them, you’re also going to communicate ways as to how you're going to give space to each other and you've presumably learned that through your relationship. But there's also secondly, a selfish incentive to do that because, insofar as people do need space apart from each other as conceded b... |
i'm going to run a bunch of arguments and rebuttal is going to be integrated. |
Let's get right into it: |
First of all, we think that the government side of the house encourages people to make bad decisions but also makes them less able to opt out of relationships in the long term. There's a reason why people decide to move in two years before they get married. That's because they want to experience life together because y... |
The reason why this matters is because we think that still a huge amount of individuals are going to want to move in at some point when they get married or have children. First of all because the majority of society still does that and you've been told by your parents and grandparents that it’s a model you want to foll... |
We think this is probably going to lead to more failed marriages in the first place because the premise of the opening government is you have certain habits which make you fight. On the government side of the house you've never actually learned to deal with those habits, you've never actually had the experience of comm... |
But secondly, we see on their side of the house it's just harder to opt out once you do move in. Note that divorce is a very stressful proceeding. it's also costly in terms of having to pay for legal aid but you're also afraid of the consequences of divorce, particularly if you're a woman because you may lose custody o... |
But secondly, if you do have children you feel the internalized guilt of abandoning these children but you can also be guilted by your spouse by saying, you have to keep this marriage alive for the sake of our kids. Do not be so selfish. |
Thirdly, know that you do not want to disappoint your family, who probably has a fantasy that you and your spouse are a happy couple and [you also do] you're also probably going to be pushed by your family to keep the marriage alive as far as they don't want to see you unhappy then they project it on to you and try to ... |
But lastly, the longer you live together the more you're economically co-dependent insofar as, have a shared budget and so on and so forth, which means that on their side of the house insofar as a huge amount of people still decide to opt into marriage and having children. |
At the point where they haven't learned who the person that they're going to live is. At the point where they haven't had a chance to opt out before that level of commitment or at least developed ways to cope with that character if they're not going to opt out in the first place. |
We say that: |
one) people are less likely to leave bad relationships and |
two) this produces more bad relationships. |
The reason why this is important is because probably the reason why people do this is because of fundamentally different lifestyles, right. The reason why they make this decision is because they probably perceive some elements of their partner's character that make it impossible to cohabitate so these are probably rela... |
We would like them to break up sooner rather than later. if a couple you know is going to implode because someone leaves a toilet seat up, we think it's healthy for that couple to implode. |
But secondly if they can see that this is post marriage it's just so much worse for them because one, I think that your family, your people around you are going to question why you live that way because you don't conform (to) the traditional norms. |
You don't get to enjoy it but also, second I think it's horrible for children first of all because I think kids lose time with both of their parents. Secondly, there's an incentive for parents to compete with each other, insofar as you probably share custody over the child you want to compete in terms of being the more... |
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