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Okay, opening opposition, morally equivalent to test. I think our principle implicitly engages this leads to substantial backlash among moderates. Look, this is contingent on people finding out; even if they get more progressive content in their feeds to begin with, that doesn't necessarily mean they find out in so far... |
Any political ideology to pump up the persecution complex of itself. So when someone notices one Progressive post on social media, they still think, "Look, social media is rigged against that," because they notice that much more than the normalized conservative content that's in our stream overall. Our case is not depe... |
</gw> |
<ow> |
okay, I'll be starting my speech in three, two, one. I'll just go team by team, starting with, let's say, closing government. Firstly, they say this is something that is rightfully justified because historically, the right wing has been fostered on social media. Firstly, I don't think this response to things analysis, ... |
Like, why is it legitimate to do this even if it does lead to some utilitarian benefits? Why is this legitimate to do this in a way that you are, like, how you say, limiting freedom of speech of people that want to share their, you know, conservative opinions on Twitter and stuff like this? Why is this justified by tam... |
Secondly, they're talking, and this is something very important, because CG is focusing mostly on extremism and people feeling unsafe. We can, how you say, limit this on our side of the house as well. Conservativism is not equivalent to extremism. Saying, "I support abortion," is not equivalent to saying, "I hate women... |
Then, like, this is hate speech. There is a difference between freedom of speech and hate speech. Things that you are, things that, I don't know, Ben Shapiro when he's coming to, you know, when he's saying things that he's allowed to say and that he isn't allowed to say, which means that I do believe that this is outsi... |
And the reason how we extend over the opening opposition is they just say, "Ah, there's going to be backlash because people are going to believe in conspiracy," and this is not responsive to Tejas' POI. But the reason why you're going to believe in conspiracy is there's obviously a difference from the status quo becaus... |
I also want to say, secondly, they say, "Ah, Parler is dead," and stuff like this. Yes, because right now platforms are allowing conservative discourse on social media. This would not have happened if, how you say, they would be completely excluded from the conversation and all these sorts of things. But they're also n... |
This is how they are getting—they are not getting change on their side of the house. Why is this so? Firstly, on efficacy, they say this is going to be done in a gradual way. If I'm conservative and I get nine liberal articles but they get one conservative article, I want to confirm what are my beliefs because I want t... |
Secondly, they say social media is the tipping point very often. It's not like even if I get exposure to liberal ideas on social media, then if I'm like Jim bro, I go to the gym with my other gym bros and we talk about how much we hate women. Then I go to my work and I talk with my colleagues about how much I hate poor... |
But the third reason why this is not working in efficacy is because people have—people know things. So this is attacking the mechanism. They say, "Ah, people just don't know." Some people very often know stuff; they just have personal reasons why they are affiliated with certain ideology more than the other. And this i... |
Now they say, "Uh-huh, they say there is right-wing propaganda today circling," and stuff like this. So I noticed that, you know, that you're head when they say this, but this was assertion. This was just assertion. I would like to pause it that, how you say, Guardian economies, BBC, CNN, strongest media houses today h... |
So this is not something that is inherently true. But secondly, even if it is inherently true that there is right-wing propaganda, this is limiting their impact because if right-wing propaganda is everywhere, then, how you say, TikTok and social media and stuff like this, this is not going to have a huge effect on my o... |
Two responses to this, and one is a strategic observation because notice their impacts. Their impacts are they have to have change. We have to have people who are going to vote for progressive policies and all these sorts of things. If they want to claim those impacts, they need masses of people to be able to change, h... |
<poi> |
This motion applies to all social medias, meaning opens can't prove you go to some smaller corporation social media because all of them have to do this. And CG don't prove an analysis because... |
</poi> |
you go to, Andrew Tate comment section and you jerk off with your gym bros and stuff like this. You go to the gym and you jerk off each other and all these sorts of things. I don't know, okay, whatever. So you don't really achieve any kind of change on your side of the house. |
But lastly, and what completely destroys them is team extension. Even if the government bench proves everything, this is moral evil. This is something that is purely illegitimate for people to shape discourse in such a way. Their only, how you say, preemption to our, how you say, principle is that, "Ah, but there is al... |
But also, they say, "Ah, echo chambers exist," and all these sorts of things. If they are so powerful, if they are so powerful that they are not getting changed on their side of the house. And the reason why we weigh over the opening opposition is notice that their practical impacts are fairly symmetric. No one cares a... |
</ow> |
<pm> |
Starting in three, two, one. |
Okay, where is this relevant? I think in states such as in Latin American states, where there is increasing, like very high primary activities, such as in Italy or states such as Italy or Japan, where you have super entrenched like a crime rate uh crime organizations or African states, where have like a local organized... |
Probably you revoke their religious status, like in the case of Italy. You revoke their Christian status. You do it publicly or through a public declaration. It's probably like it's posted or like it's said by the leader of the local church. You can't act, and as a result, they can't access the church or any of the chu... |
One, I think this is a deterrent for people joining. Who is this about? I think this is about young people who are not still fully in and who would consider joining gangs. On the uh on on the alternative, I think people will say, "No, no, no, but people only join in case like extreme cases of hunger." I don't think tha... |
But it would definitely be harder, and it's young people who join them due to peer pressure or because they feel like it's the easier way to please their family, or because they feel like it's something very edgy to do or like feel like it's a part of their identity that they can embrace. |
Why does this break, and why does it act as a deterrent? It takes away the capacity to repent for your sins to the extent to which the church can seek punishment in these gangs. Obviously, because they kill people, because they go against a lot of religious Christian values. Forcing them out and forcing them to live wi... |
Expelling them means that you also incur a metaphysical cost because you see you cannot repent for your sins, you cannot ask God for forgiveness, and probably you are unable to access Heaven. This is crucial because if you're a young, like 16-year-old, and you feel like you should get in for your family to help them ha... |
And you perceive this as being a bigger identity trade of renouncing your religion than joining the gang would be an addition to your identity or an addition to your material condition. So I think you're likely, from a personal and emotional kind of balance, to not want to get into this and, or at least, yeah, and to w... |
Secondly, that's not enough. The metaphysical threat of not being able to go to heaven might supersede anything that pushes back on from my previous mechanism because you know that even if you don't do terrible things, you're very likely to do bad things which will send you to hell. And you're constantly and continuous... |
There's a second argument here which I think is very crucial. A lot of mob bosses and a lot of prominent gang members go to church very publicly. They donate a lot, they use religious symbols into their discourse or into their actions because they want to promote this as we're doing this for a moral good and for moral ... |
Why is it crucial that you cut the access they have? Because they use it in order to access the families, right? To accept the families in the communities that see them going to the same church day in and day out, and they grow softer onto the horrible things that they're doing or at least see this as, "They surely kno... |
Secondly, they're looked up to by children. If children see them in church day in and day out, they're more likely to join. From my previous argument, thirdly, they get humanized, right? They're just somebody from your congregation, as you are. And fourthly, you're seen as a benefactor. You have money; you give money t... |
They instrumentalize this because they don't want to get ratted out. They don't want communities to collaborate with the police to get them sentenced or trialed. And secondly, because they want to incentivize joining. |
Why does this changes, and why is this the tipping point? One, because the church does a public statement against them. They say they're not part of the community, nor does God endorse their message, which means that we are not willing, they're not doing the moral good, nor are they helping our community. So you, as a ... |
Secondly, the church then becomes the moral arbiter of their immorality, which is something exclusively the church can do not because the state can't be the moral arbiter of their immorality, because it is seen as the enemy as opposed to the church, which is proximate to people, who can now say, "We, as the authority f... |
which means that you have a clear-cut distinction: these people are immoral, and you should be banishing them morally. I will explain what this means, but I'm happy to take CO |
<poi> |
yeah, if it is the case that these young people have so many alternatives to joining gangs, why is it the case that most of them still put their lives at risk in the status quo? And still..., |
</poi> |
I've gone through this. If you're planning to win on these cases, there are few in numbers, and you lose out on all of the other people I've explained don't get in in the first place. |
Why are you more likely to do it? So why is this the tipping point? I will say it will still be scary for you to confess. You'll be afraid for your safety because if the whole community does a common front against them as a result of being excommunicated, they can protect each other. So there's a feeling of safety beca... |
Secondly, the numbers stop growing as a deterrent. So even if this impact doesn't occur in two years, in the long term, it is super efficient. It's closing five or ten years and exponentially, so they're more brave to confess because you see the numbers decreasing. Thirdly, you limit your duty as a moral Christian in t... |
And fourthly, you're less likely to feel compassionate because they're not good people anymore, and you feel like, again, your duty as a good Christian is to make them pay for what they've done. I think I will claim that you can convince people to stay in and to mend their ways, or at least that depends on the communit... |
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Every time something works out for me as a mafia boss, I think that God is with me. If the church says God is not with you, if they stop the self-fulfilling prophecy and they stop the community from buying into it. |
</pm> |
<lo> |
I'll be starting my case in three, two, one. I'm sorry, but this case is absolutely ludicrous. Most gang members are the average rank-and-file gang members, youth people, as OG can see it's not Vito Coral elements, especially in areas that the opening government talks about in Latin America. |
Why do those people join? One, they very often come from disenfranchised communities. They're forced to join these gangs because they are presented with some kind of economic security. They allow them to do things like petty crime and pay them off for that in areas where jobs are scarce. |
Secondly, even if these are not economically disenfranchised communities, these are very often areas with severe lack of policing, think areas in El Salvador where barrios, barriers, gangs like Mara Salvatrucha and stuff like that literally own those places. The police doesn't enter there, or other local police officer... |
The final thing that left starting from opening government is the idea that the community is going to put up a unified front against those people and rat them out. This is not the reason why they don't rat out. The reason why they don't rat out is because the local police officer may be corrupt and then rat them out to... |
The second thing I want to discuss are the benefits of the church to these individuals and wider society as a corollary. Firstly, the church provides solace. There is some kind of hope in the future despite what you've done. It's a psychological benefit, or probably the least important. The more important one are the n... |
But if you are denouncing them and doing it publicly, as opening government says, then the narrative you're pushing is they're too far gone, too far into sin, that even the house of God doesn't believe in you anymore. This is when you tell them that they're cut off from any redemption. At that point, there is no hope a... |
Lastly, and probably most importantly, churches provide an insane amount of services to people, stuff like medical clinics, stuff like basic health education, basic literacy, donations, sponsoring meals, connections to other people in the church who maybe know someone in the next city who can lend you a job. These are ... |
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