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[461.12 --> 465.38] spotlights in this room of hundreds of people and i can't see them and it was a little nerve-wracking |
[465.38 --> 474.06] wow but what what helped me a lot actually was meeting with the dallas rb user group and doing lightning |
[474.06 --> 480.36] talks and just starting there like that that did wonders i've been to that uh that group once or |
[480.36 --> 487.22] twice we uh i work at a non-profit called pure charity is my very passionate day job and every |
[487.22 --> 491.98] once in a while we'd be in dallas hanging out we'd be there with karthik and win and jesse |
[491.98 --> 499.02] uh whom are probably names you know that go to dallas rb so that's a good meetup too it is they do really |
[499.02 --> 503.72] well and yeah i mean that helped me that helped ease me in because there's a big step between |
[503.72 --> 508.08] i'm giving a lightning talk to 10 guys i know and i'm on a stage with hundreds of people in a foreign |
[508.08 --> 516.52] country so i couldn't imagine that uh stage when i so you know a little confession on my side i i would |
[516.52 --> 522.04] probably not be very happy at all being in front of that many people with stage lights on me i would |
[522.04 --> 528.40] probably just rather be in the crowd uh as odd as it might seem running the podcast that's like yeah |
[528.40 --> 532.32] it's it's easier to be behind the mic in the seclusion of my comfortable office |
[532.32 --> 537.64] than in front of hundreds and hundreds of people it's just not my place you can you can always edit |
[537.64 --> 543.72] it too so yes yeah let's to some degree we try to as best we can we try to put this one down from |
[543.72 --> 550.10] live to tape as as they say in recording but nice so i was gonna say i was doing a lot a lot of |
[550.10 --> 554.34] javascript nowadays could you take us through your language progression through the years just |
[554.34 --> 560.32] um sure yeah i don't want to spend too much time on it but basically i did basic for a long time |
[560.32 --> 567.24] a long long time i did like i said i started on commodore 64 basic which is awesome because that |
[567.24 --> 570.42] thing had no memory management at all you could just poke random spots of memory and things would |
[570.42 --> 577.56] happen and then and then i got a dos computer i had this this lovely little 386 with 16 megahertz |
[577.56 --> 584.08] and 16 megs of ram and i programmed on that thing for about 10 years just that and the q base agreed |
[584.08 --> 592.32] me was my entire world so like age 7 to 17 ish yeah and then the internet came out yeah exactly |
[592.32 --> 597.72] and that changed everything i think it's important to mention too just um just from a |
[597.72 --> 603.58] a passionate standpoint i guess maybe some inspiration or some encouragement is that |
[603.58 --> 610.48] you uh attacked this passion for programming when there was no information so you had no choice |
[610.48 --> 615.62] but to hit the brick walls and hit the hurdles and find ways yourself to get over them we live in a |
[615.62 --> 623.20] world now where if you hit a hurdle you google it you likely land on stack overflow um to some degree |
[623.20 --> 628.82] maybe somebody's blog or a doc somewhere maybe there's a lot of information accessible to people to get |
[628.82 --> 635.48] over those hurdles so it's building that confidence i think uh is a lot harder today because you're |
[635.48 --> 641.64] always second guessing yourself and maybe to some degree could you quickly touch on maybe that for |
[641.64 --> 652.04] you like gaining confidence on your own okay um i think so there are always unsolved problems i i tend |
[652.04 --> 657.78] to do things that haven't been done before because that's what interests me and i hit a lot of roadblocks |
[657.78 --> 664.16] even in today's world i will be for example today i was trying to figure out how to store binary data |
[664.16 --> 671.16] in safari and a few people have tried this the the lawn chair and pouch tb people have worked on this |
[671.16 --> 677.66] like yeah you can't do that you got a base 64 encoded and use web sql and crazy stuff or but sometimes |
[677.66 --> 682.32] i'm on i'm doing things like a chrome packaged app and i'm testing these apis that no one has really |
[682.32 --> 689.16] used before or the hers used much or the github rest api because i can't do real git protocol to |
[689.16 --> 695.04] github and i find bugs everywhere i find bugs in chrome i find bugs in github and there's nothing |
[695.04 --> 700.96] on stack overflow about it because no one's really tried this yet so there's still plenty of frontier |
[700.96 --> 706.24] out there you just have to do things that haven't been done before so i would imagine you're probably on |
[706.24 --> 712.62] the uh the happy but yet sad list oh another support request from tim oh he found he found |
[712.62 --> 720.54] another bug gosh you know i have no idea so since you're an inventor and you like to hit the unknown |
[720.54 --> 726.60] it probably tees up the what i think is the meat of the conversation so um just to quickly touch on |
[726.60 --> 733.12] js git git browser t edit or some might call it teddit which was me prior to listening to your super |
[733.12 --> 738.88] awesome youtube demo of that which blew my mind so i mean how what's the best way to tee up what |
[738.88 --> 744.24] you've what you're doing now with t edit and the kickstarter you did for js git and the like you said |
[744.24 --> 749.24] the infrastructure tools you need to actually pull this project off right i'd like to start with the |
[749.24 --> 754.56] goal and the goal is a very ambitious but but simple goal i want to make programming accessible |
[754.56 --> 762.94] and what i mean by that is we have all these devices in the world that that kids and teenagers |
[762.94 --> 768.60] have access to that are consumption devices we have ipads and android tablets and chromebooks and who |
[768.60 --> 773.78] knows what else maybe you're on a school computer or a library computer or something and it's a |
[773.78 --> 781.08] lockdown environment but they all have javascript they all have a web platform all of them and so my |
[781.08 --> 788.00] goal is to build a full professional developer environment with everything with dependency management |
[788.00 --> 793.18] with build systems with git check-in checkout clone merge all of that to work in this restricted |
[793.18 --> 798.84] environment and i want to do that so that more people can get into programming without having to |
[798.84 --> 806.94] go out and buy a macbook pro or a windows pc or something so that's the goal now with that goal |
[806.94 --> 811.46] there's a whole lot of sub parts i am invented a new language i'm implementing git in javascript i'm making |
[811.46 --> 819.64] a prototype of this developer environment and so that's what all these projects are the one of the |
[819.64 --> 825.14] biggest technical ones was some sort of version control and interacting with the outside world |
[825.14 --> 832.96] and nowadays by far the most popular version control system for open source is git and so i've been |
[832.96 --> 838.92] working on implementing git in javascript because then i can use it anywhere and so yeah well that brings |
[838.92 --> 844.64] us to the i guess the first hurdle you hit was you couldn't do t edit unless you had js git can you |
[844.64 --> 850.64] talk about i guess the exploration the inventor side of you to to know i mean there's obviously a lot |
[850.64 --> 855.74] of wisdom and discernment in your choices too i mean you can see that given your path uh you crowdfunded |
[855.74 --> 863.14] js git twice um so maybe take us back to you know you said you have a goal how did you begin to think |
[863.14 --> 866.92] about that goal and and figure out what you needed to get in place to actually meet it |
[866.92 --> 875.10] well the way you eat an elephant is one bite at a time and it's very easy to get overwhelmed when |
[875.10 --> 880.22] you have large goals like this and so i figured what is a large substantial thing that i need for |
[880.22 --> 887.38] this that just needs to get done and and i decided over a year about a little over a year ago that i |
[887.38 --> 893.88] need to get and if i had git that would enable so many things and so i tried working on my free time |
[893.88 --> 898.68] didn't make any progress i looked for existing code and there was nothing that had what i needed |
[898.68 --> 903.30] i mean there there were several attempts i'm not the first person to try getting javascript there |
[903.30 --> 909.54] were many many attempts but nothing nothing had what i wanted and so one day i just came to the |
[909.54 --> 915.04] conclusion that i have to do this full time and i have to find a way to fund that and kickstarter was |
[915.04 --> 918.78] very was a little new and still pretty exciting back then so i thought i'd give it a try |
[918.78 --> 922.12] and that's that's where that started |
[922.12 --> 930.62] so there were two kickstarters for jskit there was a kick so there was a kickstarter and i didn't ask |
[930.62 --> 937.06] for near enough money because i miss i misunderstood how it works i want to ask you about that goal |
[937.06 --> 941.68] because i've heard some kind of behind the scene horror stories from some people like i didn't ask for |
[941.68 --> 948.74] enough or yeah so so i mean obviously implementing git in javascript is with my skill set roughly |
[948.74 --> 956.92] a year full-time work i mean it's not easy at all and i asked for what i asked for 12 000 |
[956.92 --> 962.36] that's not a year of salary i have three kids in a house i mean that's not going to work right |
[962.36 --> 969.38] so what what i did was i calculated okay i have these consulting projects and if i cancel them then |
[969.38 --> 974.22] it'll take me a month or two to get new consulting things if the kickstarter doesn't work out or whatever |
[974.22 --> 978.08] and so in kickstarter they say what's your minimum what's the least you're willing to accept |
[978.08 --> 983.92] to make it worth your time and i said well i'll do 12 000 that'll give me enough that i can live |
[983.92 --> 989.48] on a reduced budget for a few months and that makes it worth it to fire my clients |
[989.48 --> 994.98] and so i put that as my minimum now here's the problem everyone who was funding it thought that |
[994.98 --> 1001.46] was all i needed and so it hit the minimum overnight like overnight it hit it was because |
[1001.46 --> 1005.08] it was very exciting people love the idea but as soon as i hit that it just crawled to a halt |
[1005.08 --> 1010.82] and i set stretch goals i explained to people no that's the minimum if you want all these things |
[1010.82 --> 1017.24] implemented i need a lot more and it didn't work so i worked on that i stretched it for as many months |
[1017.24 --> 1021.56] as i could until it was endangering my family and then bounty source came to me and says hey we're |
[1021.56 --> 1027.28] like kickstarter but specifically for open source projects we will help you and they did they they |
[1027.28 --> 1032.30] went out and helped find funding from corporations they handled all the stickers and t-shirts and everything |
[1032.30 --> 1037.10] wow they just charge a fee for the service which i thought was well worth my time because when i was |
[1037.10 --> 1042.54] doing the kickstarter i spent an entire month and a half full-time fundraising and that was half the |
[1042.54 --> 1050.22] money because i barely hit i barely got enough so that was almost a waste of time so the js get one |
[1050.22 --> 1059.30] in in bounty source raised 34 000 just a little over 34 000 of your 30 000 goal that's that's neat i i knew |
[1059.30 --> 1064.82] about bounty source obviously we've we've um i think we've had uh michael peace on the show before |
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