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[2818.08 --> 2823.82] um one of the pain points for jekyll is definitely installing ruby um it's it's not supported technically |
[2823.82 --> 2829.90] on windows but it is um you know it's not too hard to get it up and running um but it's still a bit |
[2829.90 --> 2835.52] difficult so there are a couple more elements that i have to have to come and come into uh into the |
[2835.52 --> 2842.74] fold here but once those are in place um if they do come to fruition then um then it would it would |
[2842.74 --> 2848.46] be a pretty easy easy fix i think pros is trying to take the intimidating um somewhat intimidating |
[2848.46 --> 2853.84] interface that that github has with issues and discussions and all this business um and make it |
[2853.84 --> 2859.36] as simple as possible and as friendly as possible um so they and and because it's jekyll specific they |
[2859.36 --> 2864.70] make ready and will front matter for example um a piece of cake so they just have individual form |
[2864.70 --> 2870.26] items that you can specify so your date should be a date and your title should always be um you know |
[2870.26 --> 2874.24] they give you a text box for your title and a drop down for your layouts and all of that stuff so |
[2874.24 --> 2880.32] um so you know there are just a couple more pieces and then and then i think we can make a bit we can |
[2880.32 --> 2887.58] make the switch so a mutual i guess a mutual friend of ours had uh two questions i guess one of you |
[2887.58 --> 2890.90] you've kind of mostly answered but if there's anything that maybe you left out that you want |
[2890.90 --> 2895.20] to mention you're welcome to but so to the questions brandon mathis is the mutual friend i'm |
[2895.20 --> 2900.60] talking about and we'll talk a bit more about your involvement with him and octopress and that kind |
[2900.60 --> 2903.50] of stuff but one of the things he wanted me to ask but i think we've already answered this to some |
[2903.50 --> 2909.04] degree so feel free to uh riff as needed but he said you know this is verbatim what he said parker |
[2909.04 --> 2913.66] came out of nowhere and impressed tom and i both enough to become significant parts of both of our |
[2913.66 --> 2918.70] projects jekyll and octopress as the projects uh get him to talk about how so i think you've kind |
[2918.70 --> 2923.76] of entered that but is there anything of the how that he's talking about that maybe you didn't leak |
[2923.76 --> 2931.86] so the that's that's a great question the the way that i got involved with jekyll is that i emailed tom |
[2931.86 --> 2937.34] tom was this is this was at the time the ceo of github um someone that i didn't think i was actually |
[2937.34 --> 2942.54] going to be in contact with ever he was not replying to issues um but i emailed him and i emailed him |
[2942.54 --> 2948.70] three times um over the course of like eight eight or nine months um and finally in december he replied |
[2948.70 --> 2956.52] so i think the key is to um sort of take that leap of faith as well as and i i got in contact with |
[2956.52 --> 2960.20] with brandon because i was following him because i loved octopress and i was using octopress for my |
[2960.20 --> 2965.36] blog um so i was following him and i was like hey do you need any help with octopress i tweeted at him |
[2965.36 --> 2969.74] and he was like yeah i would love some help with octopress and then we just sort of kept going with |
[2969.74 --> 2976.62] that um and uh so so it's you know reach out if you're interested is sort of the key um i think |
[2976.62 --> 2982.20] that the main bottleneck for finding uh added maintainers is the is to see their interest um |
[2982.20 --> 2988.30] are you interested in in devoting the time to to maintain something uh and to make it better um in |
[2988.30 --> 2993.44] in a more meaningful way than just submitting a pull request here and there um so i'd say persistence |
[2993.44 --> 2999.50] and just make that make that initial step okay so maybe dovetailing off of that then his second part |
[2999.50 --> 3004.68] of that question was uh and i had the same question so it's just kind of from both myself and brandon |
[3004.68 --> 3010.04] um and we'll talk you know for those listening and thinking what the heck is octopress we'll talk |
[3010.04 --> 3014.60] about it here in just a second but uh the second part of that question uh a series of questions is |
[3014.60 --> 3017.76] do you have any and i think you kind of touched a little bit just now on this but |
[3017.76 --> 3023.88] do you have any advice for those out there who uh are you know similar to you you know interested |
[3023.88 --> 3028.10] interested in technology but want to get started with open source software and don't really know |
[3028.10 --> 3035.56] where to start or really how to break through i suppose i think the the main barrier to entry is to |
[3035.56 --> 3042.48] know how how to contribute right so from from my perspective go go to the project that you're using |
[3042.48 --> 3048.06] the most maybe you're using rails um rails is a very intimidating project to first start off with |
[3048.06 --> 3054.54] um maybe go to jekyll go to jekyll find an issue that you care about um and find find an issue that |
[3054.54 --> 3058.38] you care about or that you think might be a relatively quick fix um even if you don't know the |
[3058.38 --> 3064.42] code doesn't matter whether you've looked at the code or not see that then then clone down the repo |
[3064.42 --> 3069.04] and look through the code a little bit try to familiarize yourself with how this particular product |
[3069.04 --> 3076.32] does what it does um once you've done that um then then try to pinpoint exactly where the issue |
[3076.32 --> 3081.88] is happening um and or at least where the issue might be might be occurring um change that submit |
[3081.88 --> 3088.76] your pull request um as best as possible add tests you know do sort of do do your dues as it were or |
[3088.76 --> 3096.40] um and in order to see that that would be merged um and submit an issue um or submit a pull request |
[3096.40 --> 3101.70] for that um if that's sometimes even that is too much um you know to to pick an issue that you |
[3101.70 --> 3108.52] might be able to handle and and um change it up or and you know fix it so maybe what you should do |
[3108.52 --> 3114.20] instead is find an issue that you're that you think might be um easy enough to do look through the code |
[3114.20 --> 3119.70] a little bit um and just write a comment and say like hey um i'm interested you know i'd love to help |
[3119.70 --> 3126.22] fix this um i'm not really sure where to start um maybe here here or here um and sort of sort of |
[3126.22 --> 3131.28] indicate that you're thinking about it and that you'd love to help um i'm i can i write way more |
[3131.28 --> 3137.28] comments that i than i you know than commits that i write um so i'm happy to to help someone through |
[3137.28 --> 3142.38] through that process um i love i love to see newcomers to jekyll it's the best thing in the world |
[3142.38 --> 3148.48] um to see people who have never um submitted a pull request or who made their github profile yesterday |
[3148.48 --> 3154.98] to only to read an issue or to submit a pull request so for people to you know find find that |
[3154.98 --> 3158.56] repository that or that project that you're interested in find an issue that you think you |
[3158.56 --> 3163.02] might be able to handle write a comment or just fix it um and submit a pull request if the pull |
[3163.02 --> 3167.36] request isn't the way that they want that they want to handle it uh the maintainers will say this |
[3167.36 --> 3171.82] isn't really how we want to handle it but here's how we would prefer um and then you can implement |
[3171.82 --> 3177.52] that um switch and switch things around so um it's it's more a matter of like just throwing |
[3177.52 --> 3186.20] yourself into the process and and at every turn offering your help and the time let's pause the |
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[3246.14 --> 3252.50] started tell them the changelog sent you i know a lot of the times when folks come on the show when |
[3252.50 --> 3257.74] we ask them which we'll ask you here in a bit like the call to arms is usually just help us triage |
[3257.74 --> 3264.04] issues especially a lot of high traffic projects with issues that you know have just lots it's you know |
[3264.04 --> 3268.56] sometimes it's just can you comment back to somebody can you just help me you know keep |
[3268.56 --> 3272.74] the heartbeat alive so that they don't think we're a bunch of jerks because we're busy writing code or |
[3272.74 --> 3277.60] busy with day jobs and this is like you in your spare time or your free time so you say you know |
[3277.60 --> 3282.98] so it's like it's kind of like that and then even i like what you said too about um not just saying hey |
[3282.98 --> 3288.30] how can i help it's i've got an idea about this particular problem i've got a couple ideas on how i can |
[3288.30 --> 3293.86] solve it or what i think might work can you give me some guidance because they'll respond easier to |
[3293.86 --> 3300.66] to at least you know some legwork versus just hey i'm here to help what can i do right pick up a broom |
[3300.66 --> 3312.58] you know exactly exactly so let's um let's talk um let's talk about uh your involvement not only with |
[3312.58 --> 3317.76] jekyll but then octopress this is like uh we've gotten through this pretty much you know this whole show |
[3317.76 --> 3322.24] without really mentioning the relationship between these two and i don't want to do it any ill justice |
[3322.24 --> 3326.70] because i haven't kind of riffed with brand much lately about the project and where it's going but i know |
[3326.70 --> 3332.38] you're involved in both now can you kind of give a you know the listeners kind of a mention of how |
[3332.38 --> 3340.24] these two projects align and where you see them fitting so octopress at the moment um in its current form |
[3340.24 --> 3347.62] in imathist slash octopress is sort of a framework around jekyll um a series of rake tasks usually uh |
[3347.62 --> 3355.14] generally um that makes it easier to work with jekyll um it comes with a built-in um classic theme |
[3355.14 --> 3361.26] that allows you to you just go rake install and it installs this theme which is beautiful um i'm sure |
[3361.26 --> 3368.90] you've seen it on a lot of sites um and it's the idea of of octopress is really to make it as easy |
[3368.90 --> 3374.02] as possible to get started blogging with jekyll um when you run gem install jekyll you have nothing |
[3374.02 --> 3382.10] available to you um you have now um since 1.0 i think or maybe 1.2 um you have jekyll new and jekyll |
[3382.10 --> 3387.36] new and then you give it a path will install some you know very basic very very run-of-the-mill um |
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