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[2573.14 --> 2578.98] makes me wonder like where are y'all at with git and github and having code be publicly available on those |
[2578.98 --> 2585.60] on on github at least yeah embarrassingly enough i just had the same thing yeah is that so is that |
[2585.60 --> 2592.36] not supposed to happen it wasn't happening a few days ago okay so that makes for a very awkward turn |
[2592.36 --> 2601.04] for this conversation or a or a perfectly intended turn yeah in our eyes so many pearl developers are |
[2601.04 --> 2607.24] heavily uh involved in using git so my company actually offers git training also just because it's |
[2607.24 --> 2612.38] incredibly popular and it was interesting that you know i would have svn available for the long time |
[2612.38 --> 2617.50] for the longest time and you know oh you can submit patches to my modules you know via svn or you know |
[2617.50 --> 2623.54] just using the diff patch command whatever um and i could count on the fingers of one hand the number of |
[2623.54 --> 2629.92] patches i would get per year since i switched to doing most of my development and sharing my code on github |
[2629.92 --> 2636.02] i'm getting patches all the time and it's just phenomenal and because the pearl community is very keen |
[2636.02 --> 2643.84] about testing and documentation i'm usually getting patches with full documentation full tests or if |
[2643.84 --> 2647.68] they don't have them people will say you know this is just exploratory to solve this little itch that i |
[2647.68 --> 2652.70] have what do you think and it's a way of collaboration that you know just didn't exist before and i'm very |
[2652.70 --> 2657.68] very pleased about that most of the pearl communities bought into it cool and are those integrated git and |
[2657.68 --> 2664.90] c or github and cpan as far as publishing goes you have you have what are called metafiles available |
[2664.90 --> 2673.52] in your distributions which can say um my bug queue is actually out on github the actual base repository |
[2673.52 --> 2679.26] is on github so if you go out to cpan and someone set up their metafiles correctly you can just click |
[2679.26 --> 2684.20] directly on the source repository and it'll take you over to you know github or click on the bug tracker |
[2684.20 --> 2689.38] instead of the built-in rt trackers that cpan uses it can take you over to the github track tracker |
[2689.38 --> 2695.56] or any other site you want it's not just tied into github specifically it's a generic system saying |
[2695.56 --> 2702.08] this is where my you know source repository actually is this is where my bug tracker actually is and it |
[2702.08 --> 2707.48] just handles it for you but it's very agnostic about the cpan isn't tied into github but it's |
[2707.48 --> 2713.34] probably the most popular alternative today we're gonna pause the show for just a minute give a shout out |
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[2759.36 --> 2766.56] you're ready and tell them the changelog sent you and now back to the show so as the cpan sort of act as a |
[2766.56 --> 2772.76] registry in that case then more like here's where pro modules go and you can find and install new |
[2772.76 --> 2778.52] pro modules via cpan is that how that works yes that is far and away the most popular option there's |
[2778.52 --> 2787.02] also metacpan.org um with the search right yes and some people like that some people don't uh myself uh i |
[2787.02 --> 2792.40] i think it's interesting but i'm so old school and i'm so used to search cpan.org that i don't even |
[2792.40 --> 2797.84] remember that there's a www cpan.org i just hit search cpan.org i look for the things that i want |
[2797.84 --> 2803.86] i read about them i read the test results i read the code yeah okay i'll use this so in your community |
[2803.86 --> 2809.40] or in your sorry in your opinion what is the the state of the community the pro community in terms of |
[2809.40 --> 2815.32] transitioning the open source work they do have out there to github because you said that |
[2815.32 --> 2820.12] earlier you do some get training and stuff like that what is the state of the pro community as it |
[2820.12 --> 2826.82] relates to github and open source on github and just general availability of of i think what we see |
[2826.82 --> 2832.46] over the last three or four years just more and more and more developers moving to github is just a |
[2832.46 --> 2838.62] a better way to socially code together and pearl's been open source since the beginning so it just seems |
[2838.62 --> 2844.12] like a natural fit for them y'all to eventually move there but what's the state the way it's working right |
[2844.12 --> 2851.58] now is most of the tool chain available for pearl is centered around cpan so cpan is a central |
[2851.58 --> 2859.44] repository for the canonical versions of modules and people use github for collaboration i have a |
[2859.44 --> 2864.28] number of modules which are available out on github for doing various things that i don't have the |
[2864.28 --> 2868.16] latest versions of those modules out on cpan because i want what's on cpan to be a little bit |
[2868.16 --> 2873.92] more stable and if i move it from github to the cpan and i'm not entirely comfortable with it i might |
[2873.92 --> 2879.10] mark it as a developer release so that it won't be installed by default but we use github for |
[2879.10 --> 2885.10] collaboration for sharing for talking about new ideas we use cpan as the central repository so that |
[2885.10 --> 2890.22] when you want to install code or you want to manage your cpan code via pinto or something like that |
[2890.22 --> 2896.68] that you know the one spot to go for that that makes a lot of sense one last question then we'll get |
[2896.68 --> 2901.60] to the close here so it seems like each language especially talking about web uh web programming |
[2901.60 --> 2907.14] languages they all kind of have their killer app you know uh ruby has rails you know you might say |
[2907.14 --> 2914.06] php has wordpress uh javascript has node and you know python has django and and there's alternatives |
[2914.06 --> 2919.60] of course is there like a go-to uh web tool or framework in the pearl community that everybody's |
[2919.60 --> 2925.92] using or is it more kind of diverse it's definitely more kind of diverse there are a number of really |
[2925.92 --> 2934.20] phenomenal tools out there so catalyst is has for the longest time been the default web tool and many |
[2934.20 --> 2939.62] of the clients that i go into today are using catalyst and catalyst is a wonderful framework |
[2939.62 --> 2944.64] mostly based around the concept of mvc but one of the things that differs from some of the |
[2944.64 --> 2950.72] competitors and other languages if you will is that it's agnostic about the mv and c components however |
[2950.72 --> 2957.70] you want to plug those in um do you want to use dbx class for your you know the back end with for the |
[2957.70 --> 2962.42] orm which is going to be backing up whatever your model is eventually going to be do you want to use |
[2962.42 --> 2966.86] rose db do you want to use something different what do you want to have in your view layer to present |
[2966.86 --> 2970.96] things to people you know from the html you know do you want to use template toolkit do you want to use |
[2970.96 --> 2977.30] template xslate do you want to use you know mason what do you want to do is however you want to set it up |
[2977.30 --> 2982.94] so there's a bit more of a learning curve for that but it means you can customize for exactly what you |
[2982.94 --> 2988.94] need there's other things which are extremely popular such as dancer 2 and mojolicious which |
[2988.94 --> 2993.32] have different philosophies which are very easy to use they're lighter weight than catalyst they're |
[2993.32 --> 2998.60] not as fully featured as catalyst but they are so easy to use and so powerful that you know i'm seeing |
[2998.60 --> 3005.06] more and more sites switch over to them and they're really nice when you talk about the orm layer dbx class |
[3005.06 --> 3011.16] is just an absolutely phenomenal orm rose db is also excellent it's not as popular it's just |
[3011.16 --> 3018.42] blazingly fast this is if you like orms i know i know that not everyone does we have an embarrassing |
[3018.42 --> 3024.98] richness of powerful tools because the community pro community has been around so much longer than |
[3024.98 --> 3030.84] many of the other communities that we have a number of very mature products out there but |
[3030.84 --> 3036.90] unfortunately that means if someone says what should i use for you know writing this brilliant |
[3036.90 --> 3041.52] new website that i have you said well you've got this you've got this you've got this and all of them |
[3041.52 --> 3048.06] are excellent all of them have pros and cons and a lot of people i just want that one thing and they |
[3048.06 --> 3052.12] just want to be told what to do and that's a little bit harder to do with pearl because we have |
[3052.12 --> 3059.42] you know an embarrassment of riches if you will excellent excellent so just to preempt the haters |
[3059.42 --> 3065.62] uh yes i realize that no i realize that node is more than just a web thing i just want to get that |
[3065.62 --> 3071.26] out there in case um people thought that that was what i was trying to say um very cool man it sounds |
[3071.26 --> 3077.64] like you guys got a lot going on um every time i talk with somebody on the show i end up being like |
[3077.64 --> 3082.96] i gotta go look into what is going on in this community so uh ovid you did a great job representing |
[3082.96 --> 3088.16] pearl uh yeah do you you said you do consulting you have a book anything you want to uh plug or |
[3088.16 --> 3093.86] promote and while you're here i would say that our company's website is allaroundtheworld.fr |
[3093.86 --> 3100.58] that's because we're based in france we do pearl consulting we really specialize in going into |
[3100.58 --> 3105.22] companies which have older legacy systems and rebuilding them testing them making the modern |
[3105.22 --> 3110.66] systems easier to work on we offer database training get training um i also teach companies |
[3110.66 --> 3116.78] how do you how to use agile appropriately or if they should use agile because that's not always true |
[3116.78 --> 3125.84] and so it's it's kind of oh goodness i can we could spend easily a couple of hours with me going |
[3125.84 --> 3132.10] off about why agile is wonderful and why it is not wonderful and i would follow you both ways |
[3132.10 --> 3140.48] it's yeah because i have some opinions there as well i'm a strong strong agile fan but it's not |
[3140.48 --> 3146.46] always the right choice that's right so we we do a lot of things but mostly it's database get training |
[3146.46 --> 3153.18] uh teaching testing and particularly myself and our other associates going in and fixing people's |
[3153.18 --> 3159.68] legacy data uh pearl systems and making them easier to use it's amazing how much work there is there |
[3159.68 --> 3164.08] any any particular repos you want to mention that you've got on github or anywhere else that uh |
[3164.08 --> 3170.28] that you can use some extra firepower behind like uh some attention to oh my favorite one is |
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