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**Adam Stacoviak:** A lot of people were behind his -- and he was a big proponent of the free internet, and the freedom in internet, of our data, data security, data portability... So I think he kind of stood for a lot of that, and I can totally see why you feel that way. |
**Olivier Lacan:** Yeah. So I recommend anybody listening to this try to get a copy or see The Internet's Own Boy, which is a documentary that was made about it... And it's very sad, you will cry; there's no way you can come out of this like "Yay!" But it might actually spark some care for you, and just -- it doesn't h... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We'll put a link out to Aaron. And then we also linked out to the video you were talking about... It was an interview of him as a teaser to the documentary; we linked that out in the Changelog Weekly, our weekly email that we were sending regularly; we took a hiatus and we're relaunching it... So if... |
**Olivier Lacan:** Or poop mail. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...we linked out to that video, because like you said, it's pretty powerful, and I think it's important to just be mindful of at least what his life represented, and then what internet freedom is for us... Because I think he was the cheerleader, so to speak, for that. |
**Olivier Lacan:** Is it the SOPA video? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I believe so, yeah. I think he was at a conference and he was being interviewed, and it was sort of like happenstance... But the questions and the interview I think was just -- I can't recall the scenario, but it was a trailer for that documentary you mentioned. |
**Olivier Lacan:** Yeah. It's basically the story of how they destroyed SOPA by just working hard. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And he just basically ranted - in a good way, obviously; sometimes the word "rant" could be used in a bad way - about his beliefs on why we should care about this and why it's important... And sometimes people just are like oblivious to things, and they just don't see, and then you've got one outlie... |
**Olivier Lacan:** \[56:10\] To give you a quick person to admire that is sadly not dead -- hopefully not dead... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Sadly... \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** That was backwards... |
**Olivier Lacan:** Let me just... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** We've got a linguist on the call who said he is -- just kidding... \[laughter\] |
**Olivier Lacan:** So Lawrence Lessig was a mentor of Aaron Swartz, and he's currently running a campaign called Mayday... I forget the total name of it, but basically he wants to create a super PAC to stop -- to basically disable super PACs. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I've seen this. |
**Olivier Lacan:** Super PACs being big political action committees that can raise tons of money, even though -- basically, skirting campaign contribution laws in the U.S., which is also a problem anywhere else. There's tons of issues with campaign contributions. Basically, if you have money, you can buy enough stuff s... |
He's a great example of the kind of spirit of Tim Berners Lee, Aaron Swartz, Lawrence Lessig. Boom. I got three for you. |
**Jerod Santo:** Nice. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Those are good heroes. We'll put links in the show notes... For those of you who those may be new names for you; a couple of them are for me, at least one of them - the last one you mentioned. So I'll put notes in the show notes for that. |
Another question we like to ask is what's a call-to-arms...? For this project -- so we talked quite a bit about the importance of keeping a changelog, what that means, and what you put in there and what you don't put in there, the right format, and the markdown, and all these different notes of this, but what is the ov... |
**Olivier Lacan:** If you're gonna make a change, keep it. That just came to me, as you were talking. So if you're going to try to make things better - because open source developers generally kind of have this urge, some of them, to change the world... Well, what if you make it a little better first, before you wanna ... |
I think Shields for me was the best example of that. I was this island. It was like 11 PM, and I was pissed off, and I thought I was the only person who cared, and I wasn't. And because I documented my project, because I spoke about it, because I talked about it with friends, people came in and they multiplied my -- yo... |
This is why I'm so excited about open source in general. It's just like, if you care, if you pay attention to the details that you think maybe won't matter, then people will come and help you and make what you're trying to do even more powerful and impactful... So I hope people can take that out of that. |
**Jerod Santo:** Awesome. Our next question - and our last question - if you weren't doing what you're doing now, which is working at Code School, and podcasting, and your open source contributions... If you weren't doing all that, what would you be doing? |
**Olivier Lacan:** Photography. I sold my camera when I was getting into programming a lot, because I had so much stuff to learn, and so much money to spend elsewhere, that I sold all my rigs -- and I had been taking photos since my mom (I think) had a camera when I was a kid... And I've always loved taking pictures of... |
\[01:00:11.06\] And I've started doing a thing that I've been terrible at all my life - trying to take pictures of people... So trying to take portraits of people and trying to capture not their good angle, not their sexy looks, not their -- I don't know... But trying to capture their essence, and trying to see -- if I... |
Having to either trick people into trusting you, or having people trust you enough to get close to them and take a picture of them, and have them be genuine to you - that's really, really exciting. I've been doing that -- I've had this Instagram thing... I wish Instagram had public -- okay, big rant... If anybody who k... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Wow. |
**Olivier Lacan:** I think it's a really cool thing that a lot of people do in other cities... But they're strangers, she's never met them, and they all have great stories. So that's what I'm trying to do, basically. |
**Jerod Santo:** I was just checking out their API docs while you were talking, because I'm thinking "Man, you've gotta be able to get at them somehow...", and there's definitely tag endpoints in the Instagram API, so someone could build this... |
**Olivier Lacan:** But you have to be auth-ed. So I think Statigram, or whatever Statigram is now called - you can see tags, but you have to be authenticated as yourself. It's not a public endpoint, I think. That may be the problem. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Anytime I get interested in something new -- let me give you a half a second, or I guess half a minute rant... For a bit there I was really into learning about drones, right? So you've got the Phantom 2 and you've got several others... And it's really easy to kind of dig deep into what's the pulse o... |
**Olivier Lacan:** I'm a foodie, I go to restaurants, and I do that all the time. I go to the restaurant's Instagram or I look at whatever tag you can find for that restaurant, and I look at the food, and I see how good their presentation is, and I'm like "Hm, I'll go there." Because Yelp sucks at that. Their photos ar... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. The last question we ask -- we do have kind of a... Not so much a hard stop, but we just try to keep it to a certain range here, so we don't lose people... And people don't listen anyways if it's too long... Is what would you be doing if you weren't doing what you do? |
**Jerod Santo:** Adam, I already asked that one, man... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Did I miss that? |
**Olivier Lacan:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** He'd be doing photography. |
**Olivier Lacan:** Yeah, yeah. So we've just talked about that. That's how we got onto that topic. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, my Lord... \[01:04:12.20\] for just a quick second, I asked Jerod to take over, and I totally missed it, so... Since you're listening live, you'll get this; the people who listen on the podcast will not get that. I will keep my comments to myself and just roll on out... \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Leave it in! |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's awesome. Well, in any case, it was a good show; I think this is an important topic, so I wanna thank you for joining us on the show today. |
**Olivier Lacan:** It was a pleasure. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Let us know however we can help... You know, we obviously like to keep a changelog on our own, so we're definitely into this; you're not fighting the fight alone. |
To trail off the call, I wanna thank three of our sponsors: Toptal, Codeship and Rack Space for helping make this show possible. That's it for this week, and we'll be back next week... I think we've got... |
**Jerod Santo:** Justin Searls with Lineman. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes, yes. |
**Olivier Lacan:** I love that guy! He's the best. I'm so happy. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's actually who you were referencing -- or who actually put the... Which one was it...? |
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