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• Conflicts between ch gems and ch ruby due to differences in initialization and shell management |
• Sponsorship by New Relic for application analytics and performance monitoring |
• Discussion of chruby and its functionality for managing multiple Ruby versions and gems |
• Criticism of chruby and its implementation |
• Alternative methods for managing gems and Ruby versions, such as rvm and bundler |
• Lack of a definitive guide or write-up on using chruby |
• User-written blog posts and experiences with chruby |
• Benefits of using chruby, including isolation and environment variables |
• Migrating gemset projects to using bundler and sharing gems |
• Alternative ways to manage gem dependencies, such as directly editing path and gem home variables |
• Discussion of a hypothetical tool to push and pop directories on the gem path and set gem home accordingly |
• Confusion and reinvention of gem sets, and the difficulty of solving the problem |
• Comparison of bundler's default behavior with other package managers, such as npm and cabal |
• Advantages of cabal's package management, including its sandboxing and plain text specification |
• Discussion of using gemspec YAML files and hiding metadata from the gemspec |
• Comparison of dependency tracking systems between bundler, cabal, and npm |
• Use of npm's --save flag to install packages locally |
• The speaker has been learning JavaScript and has experience with both Ruby and JavaScript development. |
• The speaker notes that Ruby development is often unnecessarily complex due to the use of package managers and configuration management tools. |
• The speaker suggests that in many cases, a single package manager (e.g. apt-get) is sufficient and can provide many benefits, including automatic updates and security patches. |
• The speaker criticizes the use of Ruby switchers (e.g. rvm) in production environments, citing added complexity and security risks. |
• The speaker proposes a "call to arms" for the open source community to rethink the use of complex package managers and configuration management tools in favor of simpler, more straightforward solutions. |
• The speaker would like to write a blog post or create an open source project to promote this idea. |
• The speaker mentions several potential open source projects they would like to contribute to or hack on, including security exploitation tools. |
• The importance of refactoring and cleaning up technical debt in codebases |
• Padrino, a framework built on top of Sinatra, and its potential for more contributors and improvement |
• Ruby Object Mapper (ROM) project, its features, and the need for more contributors to simplify the code |
• Mruby, an embeddable language with a unique build system, and its potential for use in various projects |
• Programmer influences, including Dan Cubb, Piotr Solnick, and Marcus Schiemann, and their thought-provoking discussions on design and principles. |
• Discussion of getting the guest on the show |
• Appreciation for the guest's work in open source |
• Encouragement to continue working on open source projects |
• Expression of gratitude for being on the show |
• Farewell and closing remarks |
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[26.16 --> 33.34] 120 andrew and i talked to postmodern about his open source projects ch ruby ruby install ch gems |
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[94.76 --> 103.54] welcome back everybody we are joined today by postmodern to talk about ch ruby or truby um not |
[103.54 --> 107.58] really sure the correct pronunciation there we'll let postmodern give us the definitive answer at some |
[107.58 --> 113.92] point uh ronin ch gems and a number of other projects that uh postmodern has been working on so |
[113.92 --> 117.72] to get started here why don't you give us an introduction of kind of who you are and where |
[117.72 --> 124.16] you come from and projects that you're working on hello um i'm postmodern uh i write a lot of ruby by |
[124.16 --> 130.72] trade um kind of uh ch ruby and ruby install were kind of more recent projects i wrote just out of uh |
[130.72 --> 137.88] sheer need of them so it's it's not like a real passionate kind of backgrounds um yeah so i hail |
[137.88 --> 145.16] from the the pacific northwest or cascadia as we like to call it got some friends there yep yep uh it's |
[145.16 --> 154.36] up in a little little teeny town uh portland's and uh kind of native uh for a long time but yeah um |
[154.36 --> 161.34] so mostly i do a lot of like security research i like developing tools and kind of automated attacks |
[161.34 --> 168.22] that that's really what i'm into and tickles my fancy and like as i kind of got more into using |
[168.22 --> 174.82] ruby forts i kind of like got into noticing the pain points and i thought well you know i've i've |
[174.82 --> 179.74] been working in ruby for a long time you know maybe i could try my hand at actually you know fixing |
[179.74 --> 185.40] some of these or making tools that uh kind of like fit and met my needs or you know solve my problems |
[185.40 --> 191.86] so that's uh that's kind of what i've been doing and you know yeah gotcha so real quick um just to |
[191.86 --> 197.98] just to kind of get a get an answer here i've always called it uh ch root but i could be wrong you're the |
[197.98 --> 203.48] security person so give us a uh what do you call it you call it ch root and then subsequently do you |
[203.48 --> 209.62] call it ch ruby or what should we be calling it man so i think it really depends on kind of the |
[209.62 --> 215.62] the people or the persons um everyone has their own weird pronunciation of all these unix utilities |
[215.62 --> 220.82] uh because they're kind of like they were designed to be easy to type out not really necessarily |
[220.82 --> 230.18] pronounce and so like i've heard uh ch roots i have heard ch roots um there are people actually like |
[230.18 --> 235.80] i don't know maybe once i've heard someone say like change roots actually like spell out the actual |
[235.80 --> 241.98] word so i really don't know um i don't know what the actual pronunciation is and i think it's more |
[241.98 --> 246.64] just like we it's not really necessary to actually say it out loud because we just type it so it's |
[246.64 --> 251.98] kind of like one of those things you're just like you know that thing yeah that thing yeah yeah yeah |
[251.98 --> 256.98] yeah i think i uh i'll stick with ch ruby then uh and whatever tickles your fancy i guess is the |
[256.98 --> 261.64] appropriate answer here in the pre-show you mentioned a funny one what was the funny one that uh for linux |
[261.64 --> 268.26] that that uh could be said kind of a funny way oh well um i don't know like it's kind of a weird |
[268.26 --> 272.02] thing like a lot of talking a lot of people everyone has their own pronunciations but um |
[272.02 --> 278.78] one of my friends was actually a while back doing research into using uh the upa np protocol or |
[278.78 --> 284.80] universal plug and play protocol which allows you know routers to open up ports uh for services and |
[284.80 --> 289.56] stuff like that um port forwarding and that but you can actually use it for punching holes in like |
[289.56 --> 295.30] you know firewalls on shitty neck your routers but uh he kept referring to the protocol as like |
[295.30 --> 301.36] up and up and so he's like yeah i'm looking into this uh up and up protocol like what is that well |
[301.36 --> 306.52] up and up is the protocol that lets you open up ports right it's it's on the up and up yeah |
[306.52 --> 312.64] no that's awesome so why don't you just for everybody that i don't know if you work in ruby and a lot of |
[312.64 --> 318.22] our listeners do i'm sure they've heard of rvm or rbm or chruby or whatever so why don't you kind of |
[318.22 --> 325.10] give us an introduction to just what what what is chruby what's the reason that it's here okay so |
[325.10 --> 334.92] um so i before chruby i actually used rvm a lot and i used it primarily on kind of like fedora |
[334.92 --> 342.86] that's kind of like my main operating system of choice um before that uh basically i kind of only |
[342.86 --> 350.34] used actually system ruby um because before that i was on gen 2 and actually no um so kind of a side |
[350.34 --> 354.82] note is fedora actually does a really good job of packaging ruby and they actually configure it |
[354.82 --> 361.46] they configure ruby gems to install into your local home directory for gems and when you're actually a |
[361.46 --> 368.28] normal user and when your roots it installs into usr local share wherever um so it really wasn't |
[368.28 --> 375.14] necessary to use rvm a lot because a lot of times i was just using the most recent version of ruby but |
[375.14 --> 380.36] you know when i actually needed to upgrade and you know test uh newer versions of 1.9 and 2.0 |
[380.36 --> 385.76] then i kind of like okay i actually started using uh rvm and i was recommended to a lot of my other |
[385.76 --> 391.26] friends where i try and get up to speed in ruby and so they could help out with like open source |
[391.26 --> 397.56] projects collaborate together but anyways um one of the problems there's like a lot of the pain points that |
[397.56 --> 403.10] developed along with using the rvm extensively for a long time and one of the kind of the main ones is |
[403.10 --> 409.74] like yeah it's a huge collection of bash scripts and um bash is kind of a really terrible programming |
[409.74 --> 415.38] language and environments and that kind of contributes to the bugs and there's also platform |
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