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[4429.84 --> 4436.56] and implemented another compiler went twice as fast and i'm like awesome you know so it's it's that that |
[4436.56 --> 4441.12] to me that was that was just that was good stuff you know and then his his career has been amazing |
[4441.12 --> 4448.72] he's had a huge impact on our computer science uh and on on my career yeah wow what about you jonathan |
[4448.72 --> 4455.52] uh see he took my answer did i really oh i'm sorry no it's fine it's fine when we were talking at |
[4455.52 --> 4462.16] lunch uh i was like you know klaus birt is like one of the guys that really stuck to his guns and said |
[4462.16 --> 4469.36] look simplicity is important programmer productivity is important don't complicate it put them as close |
[4469.36 --> 4475.84] to solving their problem as they can and and let them rip and that's why pascal is so easy to implement |
[4475.84 --> 4482.32] as a as a language so writing a compiler for it is really easy but learning it is really easy um and |
[4482.32 --> 4489.36] his thoughts like he never he never left that as he made each one like modula and over on he was still |
[4489.36 --> 4496.64] always all about trying to find the simplest way to solve the problems and i i you know whether or not |
[4496.64 --> 4502.64] his particular aesthetic is something that that really fits you know you like i just i just have to |
[4502.64 --> 4509.68] respect his philosophy and kind of what he brought yeah yeah uh something else someone else that i i |
[4509.68 --> 4517.52] like because he's entertaining us simon payton jones one of the inventors of pascal uh is uh really |
[4517.52 --> 4524.16] fun to listen to really fun to kind of get excited about what is possible in programming languages um i |
[4524.16 --> 4530.32] always i always kind of fall back to him sometimes all right we got uh our last question is bringing |
[4530.32 --> 4536.00] it back to typescript here i guess is uh you can either answer it together or individually whatever |
[4536.00 --> 4542.08] makes sense but it's pretty simple but um i guess we may have answered it to a degree but how can the |
[4542.08 --> 4546.96] community listening in so and as you answered anybody who's got 20 000 lines of javascript needs to |
[4546.96 --> 4554.16] look at typescript um but in other ways how can the community step in and either take part do |
[4554.16 --> 4561.28] something with it or help out with typescript how can the community begin to support and show support |
[4561.28 --> 4569.52] back to you all and move the the mission forward well i you know i invite anyone who cares to to |
[4569.52 --> 4577.12] come join us on on github and put up pull requests or and and and and and and speak up on issues you |
[4577.12 --> 4583.84] know or post new issues you know our new requests for for features that's a great way we are all up |
[4583.84 --> 4590.64] there we we live and breathe our our daily programming lives on on github uh so so we're very easy to |
[4591.20 --> 4596.16] to reach that way um and and there's all these community stuff like andrew's just talking about |
[4596.16 --> 4600.88] definitely types get on there if there's a library that you love that you don't see yeah or you know |
[4600.88 --> 4605.44] there's there's like little errors that you can fix i mean it's gonna be trivial to fix the dts file |
[4605.44 --> 4610.72] you just go in and say oh no the type is actually this not this um and you're you're gonna help yourself |
[4610.72 --> 4618.48] and others um all the the editors and and whatnot just using these tools and then sending feedback |
[4618.48 --> 4623.36] um and making even better tools i think anything in the roadmap that somebody can take part in under |
[4623.36 --> 4628.40] the 1.5 is an alpha now but you got things like uh exposing new editor interface to ts server is that |
[4628.40 --> 4635.28] something that is better served by the core team or better served by those that can are you looking |
[4635.28 --> 4642.88] for adoption support growth where where can people i guess is that a good place to look at i think both |
[4642.88 --> 4648.80] i mean i i think it is whatever whatever strikes your fancy if if if you have an editor that you're |
[4648.80 --> 4653.68] implementing and you have a plug-in model or for it or you have a favorite editor and then you know |
[4653.68 --> 4660.00] how to write plug-ins for that editor maybe write a typescript plug-in and try to use our new ts server |
[4660.00 --> 4666.80] infrastructure for that which is what we used for the sublime uh plugin uh for example or if you're |
[4666.80 --> 4672.88] interested in compilers or ides or whatever you know come to the other side and help help us out you |
[4672.88 --> 4678.48] know with with your favorite feature or you know if you're interested in programming language design |
[4678.48 --> 4683.28] i mean one of the things that we've done in the last year or so when we moved to github was we put |
[4683.28 --> 4687.84] all this programming language design we were kind of doing behind closed doors we're like enough |
[4687.84 --> 4693.68] all of it goes on github so all the languages are all of the language design is now done on issues in |
[4693.68 --> 4701.36] github and you can jump in and kind of give your two cents on if this feature you know fits with the |
[4701.36 --> 4705.68] kind of problem space or if there's little gotchas and you you realize what the gotchas are and you can |
[4705.68 --> 4710.80] let us know it's all kind of out there for people to comment i noticed when i was looking at one of |
[4710.80 --> 4715.68] your um actually the ts server one that you mentioned the the issue out there you have a |
[4715.68 --> 4724.00] label of cli or cla not required is there a cla required at some point uh yeah so there's uh when |
[4724.00 --> 4730.56] you contribute code to the typescript code base uh you sign a contributor license agreement um and |
[4730.56 --> 4735.52] there's a there's a little robot behind the scenes that it's checking all the all the pull requests |
[4735.52 --> 4739.28] coming in we're trying to make it a little less noisy than it being on every single pull request |
[4740.40 --> 4744.88] that's something else we talked about too i believe it was with go when i was talking to |
[4745.52 --> 4751.04] andrew durand he was talking about how they um let me go back to my notes on that one they're using a |
[4751.04 --> 4759.60] particular external feature if it's called garrett g-e-r-r-i-t-t i believe or i-t um and it's |
[4759.60 --> 4767.12] an external code review system that kind of builds into um a cla thing because they have a special cla for |
[4767.68 --> 4772.96] contributors so yeah probably have similar problems you look at that listen that show or talk to andrew |
[4772.96 --> 4778.88] he'll probably help out okay that sounds interesting well that's it for the closing questions um i i |
[4778.88 --> 4785.68] think you know we zoom back out typescript seems really neat because it's something you can begin |
[4785.68 --> 4792.64] using today without having to really fully adopt it and sort of inch your way in as you get more and |
[4792.64 --> 4798.40] more courageous into the typescript world so pretty exciting to to have this conversation with you guys |
[4798.40 --> 4804.88] is there anything else that you want to mention before we tail out and close the show um no can't |
[4804.88 --> 4810.40] think of anything i think we we covered a bunch of stuff here i i i really appreciate the uh opportunity |
[4810.96 --> 4815.20] on the show here i think this was you guys on twitter where can people follow you at oh yeah no we're |
[4815.20 --> 4822.88] we're uh we're both on on twitter yeah what's your handle my handle is a heilsberg a h-e-j-l-s-b-e-r-g |
[4822.88 --> 4831.12] and mine is at j-n-t-r-n-r and there's also the typescript uh project has its own at typescript |
[4831.12 --> 4837.28] link so feel free to follow those or ask us questions through twitter good deal um and one |
[4837.28 --> 4842.72] thing actually now that i have time to kind of ask your audience if there are people in the audience |
[4842.72 --> 4849.28] that are big typescript fans or big typescript users um recently we just started putting little |
[4849.28 --> 4853.44] logos on the typescript website to kind of show off all the people that are typescript fans the |
[4853.44 --> 4859.04] batch collect yeah so we're trying to kind of show off you know here's here's the here's our showcase |
[4859.60 --> 4866.48] so if your project or if your company are big typescript users um let us you know let us put your |
[4866.48 --> 4871.60] logo up there and kind of show off that uh you're doing all this typescript awesome that's the friends |
[4871.60 --> 4878.32] of typescript if i'm that's right yeah awesome well definitely uh fun having you guys on the show today |
[4878.32 --> 4883.44] um i know we had several conversations earlier to get this show on there and i'm glad it finally |
[4883.44 --> 4888.40] worked out to get timing there we had spring break we had several things so finally got you guys on the |
[4888.40 --> 4895.60] call today um in the future for listeners of the change law we have a show planned to talk about 17 |
[4895.60 --> 4902.32] years of curl with uh daniel stenberg and we're also going to have that conversation on roots and bedrock |
[4902.32 --> 4906.80] i was sick this week you're listening to this in the future and i'm talking about in the past but |
[4906.80 --> 4911.36] long story short i was sick so we we don't actually have a show that uh that we shipped for roots so |
[4911.36 --> 4916.24] there was a a break there and we had the typescript show instead so uh thanks to the sponsors and |
[4916.24 --> 4921.68] thanks to all you for listening and uh with that fellas let's say goodbye goodbye |
[4921.68 --> 4935.12] bye |
[4935.12 --> 4965.10] I love you. |
• Introduction to Alex Pulvey, CEO of Core OS, and the conversation about their company and products |
• Discussion of Core OS and their open-source operating system |
• Overview of Core OS' history, starting in 2013 with their first release |
• Explanation of Core OS' mission and goals, including a focus on containers, distributed systems, and security |
• Description of Core OS' business model, using open-source components and commercial products to drive sustainability |
• Mention of Core OS' open-source projects on GitHub and their commitment to open-source development |
• Introduction to Rocket, Core OS' new open-source product for containerization |
• Discussion of Rocket as a competitor to Docker |
• Types of software built by the company: open source components and commercial products |
• Company's philosophy on containerization and creation of Rocket |
• Background on Core West and why it was built as an alternative to Docker |
• Core West's focus on security, specifically making updates easy to manage |
• Concept of automatic server updates and its potential benefits (security, reliability, performance) |
• Core OS is different from existing server OS due to its containerized approach |
• Packaging and deploying applications is a key challenge in updating a server |
• Core OS uses containers to manage dependencies and isolation between applications |
• Docker was integrated into Core OS from its first release and has been a key component in enabling automatic updates |
• The goal of Core OS is to manage the underlying infrastructure for users, freeing them from worrying about OS updates |
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