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[601.40 --> 602.46] but they like |
[602.46 --> 603.32] the Go code |
[603.32 --> 604.08] to be geometric. |
[604.46 --> 605.84] They like a certain way, |
[607.56 --> 607.84] you know, |
[607.96 --> 608.64] they like the code |
[608.64 --> 609.50] to look a certain way |
[609.50 --> 610.70] and behave a certain way. |
[611.12 --> 612.78] And so I wanted, |
[613.36 --> 614.58] I didn't want the generated code |
[614.58 --> 615.30] to be an issue, |
[615.54 --> 615.82] basically. |
[615.90 --> 616.70] I wanted that to be |
[616.70 --> 617.32] a non-issue. |
[617.44 --> 618.64] I wanted people to look at it |
[618.64 --> 619.02] and say, |
[619.02 --> 619.54] yeah, okay, |
[619.64 --> 620.26] it looks good enough. |
[620.54 --> 621.00] I don't have to, |
[621.18 --> 621.86] it's not terrible. |
[621.86 --> 624.02] And so I definitely |
[624.02 --> 625.58] try to put some efforts |
[625.58 --> 627.26] to make that |
[627.26 --> 628.16] a non-issue |
[628.16 --> 629.92] for the adoption |
[629.92 --> 630.46] of Goa. |
[631.14 --> 631.66] Now, |
[631.96 --> 633.24] speaking of the kind of |
[633.24 --> 634.74] idiomatic Go |
[634.74 --> 635.94] and reception |
[635.94 --> 636.76] from the community, |
[637.34 --> 638.28] what's the reception |
[638.28 --> 639.40] like for the actual |
[639.40 --> 640.34] DSL itself? |
[640.98 --> 641.80] Because I've seen |
[641.80 --> 642.56] the generated code, |
[642.86 --> 643.34] which I think |
[643.34 --> 644.28] is highly idiomatic. |
[645.40 --> 646.64] But I don't know |
[646.64 --> 647.76] whether the DSL |
[647.76 --> 648.38] is so much. |
[648.46 --> 649.58] Do you get a lot of |
[649.58 --> 650.54] slack about that |
[650.54 --> 651.26] or are people |
[651.26 --> 651.78] pretty helpful? |
[651.86 --> 652.18] Yeah, |
[652.30 --> 653.28] so there's been |
[653.28 --> 654.20] a few comments |
[654.20 --> 655.20] on the repo |
[655.20 --> 655.62] and GitHub |
[655.62 --> 656.40] of people |
[656.40 --> 658.76] trying to make it |
[658.76 --> 660.58] look more like Go, |
[660.76 --> 662.22] but then I'm always very, |
[663.32 --> 664.38] I kind of have a hard line |
[664.38 --> 664.98] saying, |
[665.14 --> 665.84] this is not Go. |
[665.94 --> 666.60] It's a DSL. |
[666.68 --> 667.48] It's a different language. |
[667.64 --> 669.10] It's implemented in Go, |
[669.24 --> 670.28] but it's not Go. |
[670.76 --> 671.46] So for example, |
[671.56 --> 672.44] one thing that you |
[672.44 --> 673.68] sort of have to do |
[673.68 --> 674.56] when you use DSL |
[674.56 --> 675.68] is use dot imports, |
[675.94 --> 676.10] right? |
[676.12 --> 676.72] And a lot of people |
[676.72 --> 677.58] don't like that. |
[677.94 --> 678.68] And I agree. |
[678.68 --> 679.42] I don't think |
[679.42 --> 680.00] that the ports are good |
[680.00 --> 680.34] either. |
[680.76 --> 681.64] I think if you're at Google, |
[681.80 --> 682.46] you shouldn't use them |
[682.46 --> 683.14] and nothing else |
[683.14 --> 684.28] in Go uses that. |
[684.52 --> 686.12] But for the purpose |
[686.12 --> 686.68] of using, |
[687.08 --> 687.80] of implementing |
[687.80 --> 688.64] the DSL, |
[689.12 --> 690.08] that ends up being, |
[690.58 --> 692.30] making the whole thing |
[692.30 --> 693.08] a lot nicer, |
[693.36 --> 694.58] feel a lot more natural. |
[695.46 --> 695.96] And so, |
[696.42 --> 697.90] there is a little bit |
[697.90 --> 699.04] of that pushback, |
[699.16 --> 700.24] but then my response |
[700.24 --> 700.52] is, |
[700.68 --> 700.86] well, |
[701.24 --> 702.08] this is not Go. |
[702.08 --> 703.46] And I'm not trying |
[703.46 --> 705.46] for DSL |
[705.46 --> 706.44] to be idiomatic Go |
[706.44 --> 707.22] because it's not Go |
[707.22 --> 707.88] in the first place. |
[709.38 --> 710.86] And if you think about it, |
[711.04 --> 711.24] you know, |
[711.30 --> 713.00] some of the target outputs |
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