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**Ed Muller:** It sounds like they've basically - if that's the way it works, they've basically implemented something I've been noodling around in my head, using standard-in/standard-out type stuff between processes, and then just take care of the mechanism for moving that data around and orchestrating it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So they just saved you a whole lot of development time. |
**Ed Muller:** Thank god. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[laughs\] Did you have somebody you wanted to give a shout out to as well? |
**Ed Muller:** Yeah, I'm gonna actually give a shout out to - and I can't believe I'm gonna do this... The '90s me is gonna kick my ass, but Visual Studio Code, which is something from Microsoft. I really never thought that a GUI editor would get me out of using Vim, but it has, and I really like its Go support, as wel... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, we've talked about Visual Studio Code a couple times, it is a really strong environment for Go development and the Go plugin is tight, including debugging with Delve on all three major platforms built-in. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, that's one of the things that makes me wanna play with it a lot, the Delve support. Like you said, I think it's a strong contender. I think there's a lot of people using Visual Studio in the Go world. |
**Ed Muller:** Well, it also does some stuff that the Sourcegraph editor does, right? As I'm typing fmt.print, it's showing me the signature. And I can even go to the definite - because that's on the standard library, I can actually jump to where that's defined and look at the source code right there. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Have you used Vim Go with Vim? |
**Ed Muller:** When I used Vim, so probably it was eight months ago that I last used Vim Go, which I understand you can do some of the similar things. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, it's got a lot of that stuff now, where you can jump to the definition and all that jazz. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Visual Studio Code is significantly prettier, though. Tool tips with function definitions when you hover over a function call... I'm not gonna lie, it's sexy. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** And there's that Go Doc Tool that I talked about I think in the second episode, or I forgot which episode. That does the same thing. It will jump to the code source... |
**Ed Muller:** Are you talking Pythia? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** No, it's called Go Doc. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about now, too. I can't remember... Yeah, you did mention it in a prior episode. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Now we're gonna have to go through show notes to find what it is. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** The name was something like Go Doc Tool, though. It was not a memorable name, it was kind of a generic name, so I think you're right. Something like Go Doc Tool. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** \[55:48\] Yes. And I wanted to say, we have such deeply rooted perceptions, rights? When Ed put the link to Visual Studio Code on the document, I had to actually go and check if it was open source, because I was gonna say "Ed, this is not open source." I didn't know... So today I learned it's ope... |
**Ed Muller:** Yes, if you write in TypeScript, you can contribute. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, there's another show that we could probably do, entirely on Microsoft turning the ship around. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, that's what I was gonna say - Microsoft today is not the same '90s Microsoft. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Because they're crushing it. If you're listening, Microsoft, you're turning the ship around and we appreciate it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So for me, I'm gonna cheat, because we've been talking data science and all that jazz, and I'm kind of currently using it - Apache Kafka, which is a distributed message queue and publish-subscribe system, which I'm sure many of us are already familiar with. It's saved our lives more than once, I'm ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Kafka's awesome! |
**Erik St. Martin:** Especially when you have to do multiple databases, using it is kind of like your distributed commit log, and then having your other databases populate from there. So much win. And I think that's it. Anybody...? Good? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Good. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright. I think that we're right about on time to close this thing out. I wanna thank everybody for coming on the show, and I especially wanna thank Ed for coming on the show, and Heroku, for all that they do with the Go world. I know you guys support the GoBridge efforts, I know you guys are spon... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No, this is a big deal. We're gonna be at the Women Who Go first birthday party in San Francisco. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Oh, that's right, that's right. Alright, I can't give you too much slack for that then. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** And I wanna mention that it's open to everybody, so if you are in San Francisco sign up on the Meetup page. I'll post the link on the Slack, and maybe Adam can tweet it. It's open to everybody, men and women, and anybody... Non-binary people, everybody. Just show up. Some really cool people are g... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm excited to go. Women Who Go is a great group, and I'm happy to go help them celebrate their first birthday. |
**Ed Muller:** Maybe I can get a cheap flight down. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Please! Go! |
**Erik St. Martin:** So we're out next week, but the following week we will be back and we will have Jessie Frazelle on the call. Or show. I keep calling it a call, it's a show. So we'll have her on the show when we get back, and then after that we have I think Beyang Liu? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yes. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So almost in line with us talking about the new Sourcegraph tool today. Yeah, so if you haven't subscribed already, GoTime FM is the easiest way to do that. We are now on both Google Play Store and iTunes, I believe. More episodes will be dropping if you're listening to this live right now. I think... |
**Ed Muller:** Thanks for having me, it's been great being here. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, everybody. |
**Ed Muller:** Thanks Ed, great show. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** This was fun. Bye, everybody. |
**Ed Muller:** Bye-bye, everyone. |
• Todd McLeod introduces himself as a tenured faculty member at Fresno City College's CIT department and adjunct faculty at California State University Fresno's Computer Science department |
• He explains how he transitioned from an economics background to teaching computer science after discovering his passion for coding |
• He discusses his introduction to Go, which was recommended by a student who called it "the zen perfection of programming" |
• Todd shares his experience learning Go through Pluralsight and Udacity courses, including rebuilding the algorithm used in Google's basic crawler |
• He describes teaching web development with Go at Fresno City College and California State University Fresno using a $100,000 grant to create a boot camp |
• He highlights the complexity and performance of the Go language, requiring deep understanding of underlying protocols and packages such as net/http |
• Development of web development training with Go |
• Importance of making programming languages practical and approachable for beginners |
• Need for more resources and textbooks, such as a Tony Gaddis style book, to support learning Go |
• Todd's background and experience teaching Go to students at various skill levels |
• His goal of helping establish a foothold for Go in academia |
• Discussion with Bill Kennedy about his training programs and notes taken during videos |
• Importance of personality and vitality in educational content |
• Criticism of bootstrapping and reliance on frameworks/libraries without understanding fundamentals |
• Value of minimalism and complete control over codebase in web development |
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