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I wanna mention this because it was so awesome... Yesterday the Remote Meetup streamed the GoSF meetup, and it was amazing. This business of streaming is awesome, we need to keep doing it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, the only struggle with streaming is if it starts taking away from physical attendance. Because one's free, and one pays for everything. But I think people get a lot more out of attending. There's a lot that you can get out of just being there and being able to network. I guess videos would ha... |
But I share some concerns though... We had some discussions with Kelsey and somebody else, I think it might have been Dave Cheney, where this whole nature of streaming and recording and stuff like that also starts kind of burning out speakers, because they constantly have to have new content and they can't continuously... |
**Francesc Campoy:** \[12:18\] On the other hand, conferences being slow at releasing the videos actually help us. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, exactly, because more people get to see your content, and things like that. For us, the videos going out was really just trying to help the community grow. The more content, the more people can be exposed to the language and the more growth we see in the community, which was kind of our motiv... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, and my general theory has always been that whether we're releasing the videos or whether we're doing a live stream, most people come to conferences and the talks are almost secondary to all of the rest - the networking, getting together with your friends, the community. A lot of people I talke... |
**Erik St. Martin:** And Hack Day. Holy cow, people stayed for that. There was probably 800 people there. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That was a big surprise. I think we planned for half of that. |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah, it was pretty amazing to see so many people working on random things. We had the Go project room, and before going there I was working on something else... I was actually releasing my podcast, because it was Wednesday, and I had totally forgot about it. But it was really funny, because people... |
**Erik St. Martin:** You can help me release my podcast episode. \[laughter\] |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So tell us a little more about what went on in the Go project room. |
**Francesc Campoy:** It was pretty funny, because we did not really have that much time to prepare it. So rather than trying to have a very strict schedule, what we decided was we had one of the meetings that we hold for every release meeting. This year was Go 1.7 release meeting, and we did that from 10 to 10:30, just... |
My favorite part was right after we had the dependency discussion. The dependency discussion is pretty interesting, because it's talking about one of the hot topics in the Go community - vendoring. And not only vendoring; talking about "Is vendoring a good solution? How should we do it? What are the tools?" |
I know that Chris Broadfoot was there and he took a bunch of notes, and I'm looking forward to the document that will explain basically about all the things that were discussed. But it was a very, very active discussion, that's for sure. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That room was packed the entire time, and no riots. It was crazy. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's what I was gonna ask - nobody got stabbed, or anything? I mean, vendoring - this is a hot topic. This can be contentious. |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah. I know that some people were very passionate about it, but not to that point, unfortunately. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[15:52\] I really liked how that room turned out though. It kind of grew organically, and I think that it's something that we should continue to grow on its own; make more space and put some A/V in there and maybe live stream that, because there were a lot of valuable discussions that were going o... |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah, I'm looking forward to next year, trying to do something even bigger. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Speaking of bigger, we wanted to get... Because this year's mascot was a parade balloon - you know, like Macy's day parade... We wanted to get like a big one to float, and we never got around to that. |
**Francesc Campoy:** That would have been amazing. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** We probably would have had to have some special dispensation from the damn fire marshal, though. Don't get me started on that fire marshal. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** We should have a Gopher parade to open GopherCon. |
**Erik St. Martin:** We need a Gopher fire marshal. |
**Francesc Campoy:** A balloon gopher, just as a plushy, I would love that. So if you're thinking about presents to get me, now you know. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** For anybody listening... |
**Francesc Campoy:** For anybody listening... Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** A parade balloon gopher. |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** The little toys were fun that we did for 2015, too. I thought about getting more of those done. We'll have to keep toying with that idea. So did you have any favorite talks that you came out of that you liked, Francesc? |
**Francesc Campoy:** There were many talks that were very interesting. I really loved Ivan's talk on the visualization of concurrency, because I think it's something that I struggle with. I teach many people about Go, and it's very hard to visualize what a program is doing, and I feel like with this it is so much easie... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Without a doubt. I haven't seen all the talks, but all the ones that I did see, that one... I think she put into really good terms something that we all struggle with. She just kicked it off really well, with all the ingredients of a Twinkie. It's like, "I have a degree in molecular biology, I know... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It was a great talk, very inspiring. |
**Francesc Campoy:** My favorite part of the talk was... I mean, the presentation was amazing and the slides were really fun. One of the slides was the metro in Barcelona, which I always appreciate... But my favorite part was the fact that she talked about how you can be fluent without being proficient. That is somethi... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, and the comparison to graphs I think really set some of that stuff home. For any of us that look at a language and are like "That makes total sense", we forget that we have all of this nodes of information and we're just drawing connections between them; it makes it easy for us to do stuff. |
Even behavior... Like, I know in the Slack channel I've been quick to answer a question, and I'll link to a section of the language spec, and it makes it look like that's just knowledge I have in my head. Like, "Oh yeah, right here, in the language spec." And it's like no, often times I vaguely remember there being som... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** \[20:11\] And I think she also did a really great job, like you were saying Francesc, in articulating what we were thinking... I couldn't even point towards what she said before I heard her say it, and now I can, which is there is no clear path for a person who is a newcomer to Go to being profic... |
For example Matt Aimonetti did a beautiful [blog post](https://medium.com/@mattetti/go-is-for-everyone-b4f84be04c43) about Go being for everyone, and I think it is going to be very healthy for us to identify what we need to do and why we need to do these things, because I think a lot of us want people to join the commu... |
**Erik St. Martin:** And similar to that talk was Michael Matloob's talk on contributing to Go, and even open source. I think that was valuable, because a lot of people feel like they're not at the skill level they need to be in order to contribute, and there are so many ways to contribute. One thing that I've advocate... |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah, that actually takes very well with something else that we discussed in the Go project room during hack day, which is we have these... We had actually two different talks with two different sessions where we ended up discussing the same things, which is the user feedback and the diversity disc... |
We have things like the Go Tour, which I think is a great tool for people that have already programmed in other languages, but if you come from no programming experience at all, when we say "Oh yeah, the for loop is like C++, just without the parenthesis", it's not incredibly helpful. |
So we're talking more about okay, so how do we get this started, what kind of resources we want them to get together? Katrina was talking a lot about what kind of resources are available in the Ruby community, and I think that that is something that hopefully during this year and coming up to next GopherCon we'll have ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[24:11\] I think some of the tour too can be misleading. I was helping somebody who was walking through the tour and there was one particular exercise where I think all it wanted you to do was a loop through a multidimensional array - it was a slices section - and basically allocate the slices for... |
**Francesc Campoy:** You know, we definitely welcome pull requests. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's right, the tour is part of the repo, for pull requests, isn't it? |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah. I actually maintain it partly, so if you send pull requests, or even better, if you don't know how to improve it but you know that it is not clear, just send bugs. From the tour there is a little bug button on the right corner on the top. From there you go to the GitHub repo, which is github.... |
I agree that in general the exercises tend to be a little bit too complex, and it's not always related to Go. One of the examples is the first exercise ever. It is a for loop to compute a square root of a number using Newton's method. That by itself just sounds scary, and it turns out it's just a for loop. So it can be... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, and I think for anybody who has more of a formal background some of these things seem clearer than people who are more autodidact, they've taught themselves to program and maybe don't have the formal... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** While on subject, there was a lightning talk by this guy, and I keep forgetting his name... I'm looking on the GopherCon repo for the 2016 talks and I can't identify him in there, maybe he hasn't added it yet. In any case, he has this proposal about doing an open source collaborative effort in pu... |
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