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**Francesc Campoy:** What talk was this you said? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** It was a lightning talk on the first day. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, he was talking about building a book for high-school students, or something along those lines. I didn't see the talk, but I remember people referring to it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** He cornered me in the hallway. His idea for the book is called The Little Gopher. It sounds really interesting. He's even trying to line up Renee to help with some illustrations. |
**Francesc Campoy:** Cool. I'll check it out whenever the talks are out. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** If Renee cannot help him, I know a designer who can take Renee's graphics and really do something amazing. |
**Francesc Campoy:** \[28:03\] Now that you mentioned Renee, I gotta say that if Katrina's was my favorite talk, Renee's was probably the second one, or maybe the first one. It is hard to choose, because they're very different, but Renee's talk was amazing, and I'm just so happy you had such a non-technical talk at suc... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I mean, the Gopher is a staple of our community, so when she submitted a proposal we were like, "Alright, we have to do this. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, this has to happen. And it was kind of interesting that she wanted to do the talk with all of the stage lights dimmed and only the screen; that caused the whole Convention Center staff to go into a full panic. "We can't possibly do that. What if there's a fire and people get up and trip over e... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, that talk was just phenomenal. I'm really happy she came out and got to give everybody a little insight into the Gopher. It was kind of fun, and I think it was a welcomed mind-break for a lot of people, too. Because you're kind of overwhelmed with all this new content, so being able to sit ba... |
And I loved that she credited a lot of artists who have been doing our work surrounding the Gopher recently, too. It's kind of fun to see her take on that. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I want to encourage people to watch it, if they didn't watch it at the conference. It's not just an amazing talk about the Gopher... She really went deep into the design process, her process, how she approached it, and you will never look at the Gophie the same again. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** My favorite part was that she stayed after the talk and gave out those cute little Gopher sheets with custom-drawn Gophers on the back of them that she autographed. I don't know how many people were able to take advantage of that, but I saw dozens and dozens of people walking around with them. I tho... |
**Francesc Campoy:** It was pretty funny, because there was a really long line, and then a bunch of people from the Go team waiting for her to finish to go get lunch. And when the line was over, the people from the Go Team started lining up, because we also wanted them. They were amazing. My new desktop background is t... |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's like "I can eat, or I can have a custom-drawn Gopher." |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's not a choice. When she made one for me, the first thing she asked me was "What are your girl's names again, Brian?" So I told her my daughters' names, because last year after GopherCon both of my daughters painted pictures of a gopher and we mailed them to Renee. And she said, as she was draw... |
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**Erik St. Martin:** So are there any other talks anybody was able to see that were interesting? I know Donnie Berkholz's talk was really well received as well, Mining the Go Developer Community. I didn't get to see that one. Was that something you got to see, Francesc? |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah, I got to watch it and it was very interesting. Basically, he kind of did my job, because I tried to make the community better and "Yeah, that is actually very interesting data." There were a lot of interesting things, like how people are using vendoring, what kind of tooling they're using, if... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Here's something that's just blowing my mind. We've got one of our very remote people on Slack right now, saying that his favorite talk was the Inside The Map Implementation from Keith Randall. The reason this blows my mind is because I know he wasn't at GopherCon and he watched it over the live str... |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah, I gotta say that Keith's talk was so technical but so funny at the same time that I loved it. My favorite part was when basically in a very fine example of trolling he said, "Oh, Go doesn't have generics, but you can fix it with unsafe." I was like, "Oh my god! You didn't go there." \[laughte... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, what was that... A map of function pointers? |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah, it was pretty amazing. I mean, the whole thing - how it was done and everything, it inspired me to try to implement Go Maps by myself too, but at the same time I feel like for some people it might be a little bit too... Like, I don't want people to be so attracted to unsafe that they're gonna... |
**Erik St. Martin:** The thing I love about the unsafe package is basically it makes you... It's like you wanna delete a GitHub repo you have to type the repo's name to be sure; so everytime you go to use unsafe you have to say 'unsafe'. It just keeps beating it into you, "I should not be doing this." |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yeah. I had an idea, I don't know if you saw it... I [tweeted about how you can give an alias](https://twitter.com/francesc/status/920740297713291265) when you're doing imports. So you could do `import totessafe "unsafe"`, so instead of `unsafe.Pointer` you have `totessafe.Pointer`. That fixes the ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Totally safe dot... \[laughter\] |
**Francesc Campoy:** Totally safe dot pointer. Yeah, and it works. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** That sounds like a website we should have. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I think we need to make a new top-level domain, .pointer. |
**Francesc Campoy:** .totessafe.io, yeah... \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Actually, that would be a good vanity package for any Go package. You could use the vanity URL totessafe, .totessafe |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[36:00\] With the tagline "You can trust us." |
**Brian Ketelsen:** We promise. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, there were so many good talks. So back to the Go Project room, I wanna make sure we touch on that too, because I know it's definitely something Carlisia was interested in speaking with you while you were on the show... The Diversity discussions. I wasn't in on that, how did that go? |
**Francesc Campoy:** It went really well, it was full all the way. That was very interesting, seeing so many people interested in talking about Diversity, and not only people that are members of minorities represented at GopherCon, black people and women, and LGBTQ etc., but there were also a lot of allies that were th... |
We talked about many things. One of the things that I tried to propose and I hope is gonna happen - the same way there was this talk about mining the Go community, and that understands how Gophers do technical things, I was wondering if we could do something similar about who are those Gophers, where are they? Do they ... |
Then we moved into talking about how to make the Go community more approachable. There was a lot of discussion on basically improving the newcomers' documents that we have right now. I could say they're not bad, but we could definitely do much better. There were a lot of people talking about how to make those better, h... |
There was also - I don't wanna say his name wrong, Johnny Boursiquot. He pointed out that it is good to have those materials, but once we have them we need to go out to other communities and teach. He was talking how he's going to schools that don't have any technological plan, they don't have a technical curriculum. A... |
I think that both things - having better materials for newcomers and then the Go community ourselves going out to reach into these communities that otherwise don't have access to it could make our community much better, much more diverse and also much larger and welcoming. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I think Erik and I had a conversation not too long ago, sometime in the last year, about how Go needed the Go equivalent of Ruby's Why The Lucky Stiff. Those absolutely crazy articles with cartoons that actually taught programming while you weren't busy thinking about it, because you were having so ... |
**Francesc Campoy:** \[39:53\] Yeah. I don't know if you've seen this thing - I love it, and I'm gonna try to copy it somehow. It is Swift Playgrounds. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, the ones on iPad or iPhone? |
**Francesc Campoy:** Yes. So basically you learn to program by calling functions, and there's these little... I'm not really sure how to describe, it's like the weirdest animal ever. It just goes around collecting gems and jumping into places, and all of those are functions that you call. But then on top of that you ca... |
I've been working on something similar to that; I'm still in a very, very early stage, but that is one of the projects that basically came out from that discussion in the Go Project room. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Were there other discussions about specific projects or specific things that could be done to increase the diversity of the community in general? |
**Francesc Campoy:** We discussed the impact of what Women Who Go has been doing and what GoBrige has been doing, and I think that it is very powerful. All the impact that they've had so far is very positive, so that is something that we should keep on doing. |
There is also another idea that I think came from Katrina. Katrina works at GitHub, and they sponsored this thing called First Robotics. We were wondering, could robotics be a good place for Go to be taught? So if we're able to make Gobot work easily on the robots, then it could be a fun thing for kids to learn how to ... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Were you at the San Francisco meetup yesterday, Francesc? |
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