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**Erik St. Martin:** And especially with the async functionality, right? That's been one of the biggest pain points with people creating IDE-like functionality, doing builds and tests and things like that in the background, is that there were all these little hacky workarounds for doing asynchronous tasks inside of Vim... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I'm curious to see where the Neovim world ends up now that Vim 8 is announced with the asynchronous support. It will be I think detrimental to the community if the async support in Vim 8 is different than the ones in Neovim. I hope that they end up being roughly compatible and it doesn't make ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's funny, I haven't even considered that when I was looking at that Vim 8 announcement, that "What does this do for Neovim?" I know that Neovim has some additional goals on top of just the async functionality, but the whole reason it was created was this whole fear that Vim was kind of staying ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, it will be interesting to see. |
**Erik St. Martin:** But with that being said, we're kind of going Vim instead of Go here. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, but talking about tools, I wanted to mention this article that came up this week. It was somebody from The Washington Post talking about really neat things about Go, and one of the things of course is the tooling. I absolutely love this article, it made me feel just fuzzy and warm inside, b... |
So the article is really well worth a read if you want to get familiar with what Go has to offer. It's called "Embrace Go - A modern programming language". I don't know if you guys read it and have something to say about it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** This is the Washington Post article? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah. They are using Go at the Washington Post, and also they are doing this core project which seems to be a platform for communities for the publishing industry. I'm not very familiar with it, but I know for example Bill Kennedy has helped them with a project. He keeps saying "It's great, it's ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I read the article, and my big complaint is he tagged it with GopherCon in the tags on the blog post, but doesn't mention GopherCon anywhere. What is going on with the GopherCon tag and no GopherCon content? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** He links to it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Where? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** He links to GopherCon and he links to a blog on the Gopher Academy. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, interesting. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** The word "momentum" is linked to GopherCon, and he links to a blog post. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, nice. I'll take that SEO. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Wow, Carlisia has got memorization of what word is linked... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm impressed! |
**Carlisia Thompson:** \[laughs\] It's because he highlighted "momentum" and I wanted to see what he was poining to, so I noticed. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I actually haven't had the chance to read the article yet, so I think it will be interesting for me to read. Speaking of momentum, when we look at the language and how it's grown over the years, it's just staggering. It blows my mind just how fast it blew up and the number of companies that have ki... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I think it's a double-edged sword though, because when you read Hacker News or Reddit, you expect to see these gigantic "The world changed because we moved to Go", and it's really more of a soft excitement. People are gradually updating all of their things to Go, and it doesn't feel revolutionary, i... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I guess that's true. A lot of people are using it for internal projects and are just probably not as vocal about it. One example of little grassroots-type thing is the Bower news that came out -- was it last week? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I think that was last week. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, and they rewrote part of their API for -- I think it was fetching the packages, wasn't it? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, serving up Bower assets. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yes, that's awesome. It's great that they released that information, too. You wonder how the JavaScript community sees that, that they didn't kind of dogfood right? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, I hope they're all as pragmatic and anti-dogma as we are. You use the right tool for the job, and in that case they proved to themselves that Go was the right tool for that job. There are places where I wouldn't want to yet use Go. I can think of a few places that Go is difficult to use, like ... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I think that has a lot to do with how we are now seeing this huge trends towards moving to Go, because people might say "Oh, I wanna have this feature, I wanna have that feature. Let's implement this feature so I can do X, which I cannot do unless I have this feature, or it would just be so annoy... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think we covet the things we know though, right? We naturally want to grasp to the things that we're familiar with, and especially when you're in kind of like a high-stakes environment where you're just trying to get stuff done, so you reach for some tool or technique that you've done a million t... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I'm sure there's some sort of learning graph for that , where you try to do the things that you're used to, and eventually you give up and then try to understand how to do it the way of the tool that you're using, and for me that was a very painful process coming from Ruby. I kept trying to wr... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, I've said this before: there has to be some stick-to-it-ness with Go, and probably with most things. But definitely, if you stick to it a little bit, you will see it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's interesting... Brian and I had a couple conversations with Manning publishers with the Go In Action book, and it was funny because they kept pressing this idea of "What's the silver bullet? What's that one-line selling point for Go?" The thing Brian and I kept coming back to - and talking with... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Thank you. Thanks for getting that in there. I think if one thing sticks out for Go though - and I've seen especially on Twitter a million times - is people saying Go is optimized for programmers, because reading code is the most important thing that a developer does, and Go is really easy to read. ... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Talking about getting to know Go and sticking to it, there is another tool - well, I should say initiative - that I came across some time ago and recently again. It's called Your First PR. There is a Twitter handle called @YourFirstPR, and there is a website on a GitHub repo. Basically it's an in... |
The way it works is you, as a maintainer, have to find the issues that will be appropriate for a first-time open source contributor, and you would tweet at them the issue or you would go on the repo and add an issue there. I would imagine that you could also submit a list of filtered issues that maybe you tag with, for... |
There are two articles on that website. One that I had read some time ago and I absolutely loved, it's called "First-timers only", and I highly suggest people who are maintainers read that. I'm sure you're going to get a lot of ideas. And I hope the Go community will grow and more people will be exposed to it and have ... |
We always say that coding is about coding more, right? You get better at coding by coding, and also I always say if you're a developer, get together with people, get together with the developer community and open source contribution is great for that. So it's just perfect all around, I think. What do you guys think? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I've always been an advocate of everybody contributing to open source, and I think that fear of rejection keeps a lot of people from it, too. But yeah, those bite-sized chunks I think are a great way, and I think also accepting that the code that you see people deliver is not their first pass... |
I think that if you step out of your comfort zone you can learn a lot from other people, and projects, and digging around in source code. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Absolutely. I think making your first contribution to any open source project is a gigantic barrier. There is so much that we as programmers can do locally that becomes much more difficult when you're doing it on a remote or distributed project. The whole concept of Git and pull requests, and branch... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think a great point about one of the things that's so great about the Go community is how inviting they are. I remember in the early days when I joined, there was a lot of academic people. I didn't go to college for this stuff; I've been doing it a number of years and I feel I'm good at what I do... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I couldn't agree with that more. My first Go contributions were brutal, terrible. The first open source thing that I released - I think I announced it on the Go mailing list, the Go Lang Announce List, or whatever it was, and three or four people immediately chimed in with corrections to my aw... |
**Erik St. Martin:** How about Carlisia? What was your experience coming in and interacting with the existing community? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** My first interactions were just getting to know people and being completely absorbed in because I wasn't a Go developer; nobody cared. I was at GopherCon and everybody talked to me. I'm the kind of person who just goes up to everybody - I go up to anyone and say "Hey, what's up? What do you do? T... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, and even small tasks. Maintaining an open source project is a lot of work, a lot of people do this in their spare time, and contributing is kind of like a means of thanking them. People are grateful for any help they can get, even the smallest bite-size task. Speaking of thinking open source ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, that's the best segue you've ever made, Erik. I appreciate it. I started this I think in November with a blog post about how good it felt to have someone thank me for a particular open source project that I did, and how much I feel like open source developers in general just enjoy that concept... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I agree, I think that's prime real estate there. I would love to reach out and thank everybody for all the tools that we use on a daily basis that help us be productive and build cool and interesting projects without having to invest so much time. So why don't we quickly go around and thank your fa... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Sure. I spent a little bit of time using Rancher from Rancher Labs this past week and I was really amazed at how nicely it managed the whole Docker experience in production, so I want to give them a huge shout out for making that open source and available. It's a little bit less intimidating than so... |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's great. All these container projects have been so interesting, and Rancher is unfortunately one I have not played with myself, but I think I need to add that to my list for weekend hackery. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Is it just for Linux? |
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