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**Brian Ketelsen:** You really are the container queen. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Docker registry is telling you, "Alright Jessie, this is getting out of hand." \[laughter\] |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Well, it used to happen, because I have multiple Docker files in one repo itself; there's like over a hundred in that one repo, and the infrastructure is not built to rebuild all those Docker files the second I push. Because I'll push them multiples times a day, and maybe a forced push right after ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Just like a denial of service attack every time you push... \[laughter\] |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Yeah, it's really bad. And finally someone noticed, that worked there other than me, because I think they have a very long-standing issue open about this. But then they were like, "Oh, this looks really bad. Your Docker files that a lot of people use are super out of date", and I'm like "Yeah, I ju... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I just love every time somebody mentions something, it's almost like you're like, "Challenge accepted." |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Yeah... I almost feel like there hasn't been - it's been a while since someone said something that I have not actually containerized yet, so it makes me worry some for the future. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I got a big one for you... A window manager. |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Oh, nice, nice... I've been meaning to try that. Everyone's like "Why don't you run i3 in a container?" and it just makes me think that at that point I'm making Rancher on the desktop. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, that's true. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah. \[laughs\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Is that a bad thing, though? |
**Jessie Frazelle:** No, that's something that would be so cool, but I would need help from their end. He had X working at one point, and I don't know if it was correct X. He wouldn't let me use it, and I was like "Okay, please." |
**Erik St. Martin:** He was just keeping it a secret to himself. |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Yeah, like either it was so bad that he didn't want me to even try it, or it's so cool that they're gonna do some thing with it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** There was about three weeks a year or a year and a half ago where I ran CoreOS on my desktop as my primary developer machine, and it was challenging, I won't lie. |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Wow, nice. Everything's in a container then. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, everything had to be in a container, and it was painful. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I tried that for a workstation for a little while, and I got a little annoyed. For your own desktop you want it to be pristine, but sometimes you just gotta get stuff done and you shortcut, and you wish you didn't, but yeah... |
**Jessie Frazelle:** \[32:07\] Yes, that actually keeps me up at night. I just, I can't... \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** It would keep me up at night if all sorts of other things weren't already keeping me up at night. \[laughter\] It's like there's no more time left. Alright, so everybody wanna talk about any news and projects? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I actually had a question for Jessie... Is there time for that still? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, there's always time for Jessie. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Alright, so Jessie, question about your prolific speaking life... What can you share with us? We, who are not speaking, we're not doing lightning talks, we're not doing conference talks - what can you share with us for us to take the first step? |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Yeah, I think that the first time that I actually spoke somewhere was at a Brooklyn JS meetup in New York. That was really cool, because it was all people that I knew there, so it was a super comfortable feeling. I would almost say that meetups are awesome as a start. |
Then I got asked because of Steve Francia to Gotham Go. That was my first big conference, and I was super nervous. I think that's the first time I also showed GParted in a container, which is super not related to Go, but I was just like taking up time. |
**Erik St. Martin:** They both start with a G... |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Yeah, it's around there. So yeah, I guess even having people to say that you should speak at certain conferences is huge. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, I agree with that. My takeaway here is try to do it in a setting where you know people in the audience, to make effort to invite people who are not speakers to start speaking. I had that experience myself my first time; the first time that I did a lightning talk was my very first programmin... |
The second time that I did it again was a few years later and it wasn't painful at all. So having that person that would just say, "Hey, why don't you do this talk here?" I think it helps a lot. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think nerves get to people, and coming from the other side, too... Brian and I, we're a ball of nerves stepping up on stage, and all we have to do is welcome people, we don't have to give a technical talk. So I think being comfortable with the fact that I think everybody is nervous, and then thin... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, and there are a lot of people who want to help on that front. |
**Erik St. Martin:** There's been a number of people for GopherCon who have offered to help review talks and to give speaking advice and all that stuff. I'm actually quite surprised how much people rehearse. I never really thought about that. |
I was talking to Dave Cheney one time and he was talking about how many times he rehearses it to make sure he's got his timing down right. And he knows exactly when he's falling behind and has to speed up or slow down and stuff like that, because he knows from this slide how long it takes to get to the end. I never wou... |
\[35:59\] I think people step up on stage and they get nervous, they rush and they don't realize where they're sitting, whether they should slow down or speed up, which only adds to the nerves. |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Totally. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, and anybody who's speaking... We can compile a list too, because I know we've had a few people for GopherCon offer help with people wanting to get up on stage and speak, and we can make connections there, where we can maybe give people advice on doing that. Did you submit a proposal to Gopher... |
**Jessie Frazelle:** I do not think I did, probably because I was so busy. In another year or so I definitely want to. This is my first GopherCon that I'm actually going to, and I'm so stoked. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's gonna be awesome. Did you see that Jerod started a container tech room? |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Yes, I'm very excited for that. All he did was say 'containers' and I just popped into his mentions. You're like one of those people... \[laughs\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** I loved the response, "Yes!" The idea there is to get a bunch of people together who wanna hack on things like Kubernetes and various CoreOS projects, Docker and all that stuff. It's one of the rooms I wanna hang out in, if I can hide for long enough. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** There's too many cool things going on... |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Yes, hiding at conferences is key. \[laughs\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** But you see, I have a phone and they keep calling me. If I turn it off, they send people to come find me. There's only so many places you can hide. |
**Jessie Frazelle:** Totally. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, so projects and news. Do you have anything exciting that you wanna talk about? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, so talking about presentations... I got some help from Bill Kennedy recently to do my GoBridge talk at the Women Who Go event. So he gives me this formula that he - he was inspired by Dave Cheney's post, or they worked on it together, I'm not very clear on that, but it made me lay out my ta... |
I got so excited about it that I submitted two lightning talks for GopherCon... One for GopherCon and one for the kickoff party. I was like, "Yeah, I've got this, no problem. I can write... I have a formula and I just fill stuff in, and voila!" |
Of course, I still need to put the slides together and I still need to rehearse, but just getting the abstract, the intro and the conclusion ready, once you've got that, you've got more than 50% of the content ready. |
We put it up on the GoBridge Park, it's a repo called "Presentation Help", and I hope people will add more to it, too. I've just put this up today. I would love to see people contributing with links to other stuff, and I'll do that too, with time, as I run into things. |
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