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The way I see it is it's like software - you have to look at coupling and cohesion. If you've got two different repos that need to know a lot about each other, and changes in one often require changes in the other, that becomes a beast to maintain. How do you submit a pull request? Docker is one that I've contributed a... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** \[01:03:58.05\] Yeah, that is true. I've been there too, and you have to put a "Work in Progress, no merge please, until this one is merged. Then we can merge the other one." |
**Bryan Liles:** And we do that. Sometimes you will see a tweet come through that says, "Please do not merge", and no one merges it. But I think as long as communities or the teams talk about these things, it's okay. The good thing about having the monorepo is that it defeats the tribal mentality that... Developers lov... |
I'll say one last cool thing - we don't worry about version. Internally, we don't do software versions. We just push out the latest thing, or the latest working thing. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** How about the peripheral work? For example, do you get build notifications for every single build? |
**Bryan Liles:** Yeah, in a different Slack room called Golang-build, and you just look for your name in there. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Wow, that would drive me crazy. |
**Bryan Liles:** No, I just turn off all the notifications -- actually, my Slack is weird; I turned the notifications off for everything. I join all the channels and then turn all the notifications off, and then I can go look when I wanna look. But generally, I only look in there whenever I care. The only time that you... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** One thing that I noticed with a really large monorepo that I had a year or so ago, which was actually inspired by your post, was that the Go tooling really slowed down. It became much more difficult for things like Vim Go and Go Imports to work when you had such a gigantic codebase. I found that rea... |
**Bryan Liles:** Yeah, yeah. I will say that Go code and a few others don't like large codebases; it's a little bit slower... I mean, I have my beefy Mac here, with 32 GB of memory and lots of CPU; it's pretty fast on this one, but on my laptop it's horrible. |
So what's the answer? The answer is we need more people to use it like this, so that someone can go in and fix Go code to make it work better, because the person who wrote it didn't look at it to a base this big. |
So I'm not gonna not use those tools because it's a little slow. But also, I'll give you a hint here. I know people are gonna hate this, and my co-workers are definitely gonna hate this. The stuff in Visual Studio Code, all the Go stuff in there - way faster than Vim. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, Visual Studio Code is awesome, I won't disagree with you at all. |
**Bryan Liles:** And my co-worker, he actually writes Vim Go. We have a huge amount of people internally that use it, and I'm like one of the only stalwarts; I'm like, "I found this thing and it's amazing. I want to configure it, because I can see me using that." And it's not that bad. Everything pretty much works, tho... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I still haven't tried Visual Studio Code. I know a lot of people rave about it... I'm just a creature of habit. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I've tried it twice and I couldn't wrap my head around it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I use it in my training classes, because it's a really easy thing to configure and people can see what you're doing while you're clicking, rather than wonder what you're doing while you're typing strange Vim movement commands. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's fair. |
**Bryan Liles:** Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think we're actually overtime, so we should probably roll into \#FreeSoftwareFriday. For anybody who's new, we basically try to give shout outs to projects that are currently or have made our lives easier in the past, to show them love instead of just opening tickets when things don't work. \[lau... |
\[01:07:57.08\] I think somebody mentioned that we should start opening tickets just to tell them how much we love the project, but I feel like that would flood the issues system. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That was me. That was my blog post last November, that started this whole thing. I said, just open a ticket and say "I love this project. Please close this ticket." And actually I haven't had anybody complain about that, because I do it a lot. |
So I'll kick this off. My \#FreeSoftwareFriday mention for the day is PfSense, open source router and firewall. I've been running one for three or four years now, and every time I have to touch it, it just makes me happy because it's so fast, it works so well and it's got so many awesome tools built into it; I can see ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, it's got a nice web interface. You can do IPsec VPN... It's built on top of FreeBSD, but it's got IDS and IPS in there, snorts built in, lots of cool things. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's good stuff. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And they're relatively inexpensive. You can put them on a small Intel Atom computer in your closet, or you can buy one that's pre-built with a PfSense already loaded on there. But yeah, for a home firewall, if you want something... I mean, they're used even outside of home; there's a lot of busines... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** ...and powerful. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And you can put it on your own beefy box if you want to. How about you, Carlisia. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I don't have one today. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Okay. I have one. I have been dealing with it a lot. Ansible. I love Ansible. I still struggle too, because Puppet and everything has its own appeal, but I'm still just a big fan of building out scripts for deployment using Ansible. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I love Ansible too. I'm with you there. |
**Bryan Liles:** I'm a fan of Ansible. I use it quite a bit, and I do like it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, the hardest part I think is just managing all this stuff, when you have these complex build-outs. For example doing a Kubernetes cluster - there's just so many components and certificates that need to be set up in Docker, and Flannel, or OpenContrail... |
**Bryan Liles:** One of the secrets is to use module. So have a common module, have a Kubernetes master module, have a Kubernetes node module, and use it in a more modular fashion, rather than having some long YAML file, because then you'll get confused. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, which is basically what I do, and then I'll default within the modules and then I'll override them up in my inventory files or group files. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Ansible is nice because you can get a lot done without knowing a ton about Ansible. It's when you wanna get really crazy complicated that it's harder, but it's more than enough for what I need, and I enjoy that. |
How about you, Bryan? Any shout outs you wanna give? |
**Bryan Liles:** Okay, so I'm not choosing a project, I'm choosing a person and a blog series. Ben Johnson has done a lot of things in Ruby land, BoltDB, making Influx better, and a few other things. He's writing this series about Go's standard library. The last one came out about two hours ago. It's about strconv. He ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[01:12:03.07\] Yeah, we actually had him on the episode before the last - the one that basically just got released - and we were talking to him about these things. We love these walkthroughs. It was actually kind of surprising because it was a shift from the types of stuff that Ben's been talking ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's because we've been recording. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Not for three hours we haven't... So I think that is it, unless Carlisia thought of one at the last minute? No? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I can +1 what Bryan Liles said. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That works. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Ben Johnson's posts are awesome. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I love these posts like this, and I'm really loving that we've reached a point in the community's growth that we're seeing a lot more content now than we have in prior years. Lots of people are stepping up and talking about things. I love all the new stuff by Dave Cheney with the solid design, and ... |
**Bryan Liles:** People hate it, but we need it as a community. It's a great place for us to be right now. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Amen. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yes. And we're going to have Aaron Schlesinger on the show and we're going to talk about design patterns; I'm looking forward to that. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yes, that will be next week. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yes. |
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