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**Brian Ketelsen:** The CL. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** You should probably ping it, because sometimes I lose things, and this is something I need to fix. I need to fix my dashboards, so everyone can help out and see older things. Right now, unfortunately, a lot of the times I only see things that are at the top of my inbox. If you ping it, it will com... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I love how Carlisia waits till you're on the air to put you on the spot... You can't say no live... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Pretty epic. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** And the CL is just to include GoTime on the website. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Oh, you know what? I did see that this morning. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's CL number 41146... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** So go ahead and press the button. |
**Erik St. Martin:** She's like, "We'll wait." \[laughter\] |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** I'm at the wrong computer, so... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You're awesome, Carlisia. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** But in any case, why don't we hear from Brad what the process is like? You were talking about submitting a proposal... Are there cases where submitting a proposal is not necessary? For example, I submitted that CL, but I had to ask Steve Francia, "Hey, can we add it?" and he said, "Yeah, go ahead... |
I didn't open an issue... If I hadn't talked to Steve, should I have opened an issue first? Or just submitting a CL is fine, if it's something super small like that? |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** If it's super small, just do it. We even made our proposal process be pretty light weight, because we knew that even if we wrote a really formal proposal process, people would ignore it or not read it anyway. So we made the proposal process start out with you just file a bug and start talking, and... |
Most of the time, we just immediately say Yes or No, and we don't make people go through the whole "write a design document" phase. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Okay. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Yeah, your thing is probably not controversial. I imagine someone, or me, will click _Accept_ later. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Okay, thank you. So I actually saw a piece of code that I want to add, but I don't even have a use for it, personally... I just think, "Wow, it'd just be complete if it existed." When I submit a proposal, do I need to have a strong use case? Or if I don't have a use case, can I submit it anyway a... |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** We have a fact that I added a while back that was "Why isn't X in the standard library?" Basically, it says we have too much stuff in this standard library and we kind of made a mistake adding so much, so please do not add more stuff to the standard library unless it's very important. So generally... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** What do you mean, "Add it on GitHub instead"? |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Well, you said you have something that you want added for completeness, but you don't really have a use case yourself... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** So if you're proposing adding that thing to the standard library, we would probably be saying No, especially if there's no reason for it and you just wanna do it for fun. We don't generally add to the standard library just because we can. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** But then you said "Add it somewhere else instead?" |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Yeah, like put it somewhere that you can run `go get`. The problem with the standard library is we can't really fix things quickly and we can never change things and we can never remove things, so you're much more flexible if you just add it on GitHub. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Like my personal project... |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Yeah, or there's other places... You can get your own domain name and make a fancy name for it. I have [go4.org](https://go4.org/) for miscellaneous Go utility functions that I need in lots of projects, but I don't necessarily want to add to the standard library... So I'll add other cool stuff to ... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Oh, that's cool. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I should use mine for that, too. I registered gopher.af a while ago... \[laughs\] And I still haven't found a use for it. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Ever since I registered that domain name, go4.org, I get so much spam from people saying, "Hey, I have a similar domain name. Are you interested in purchasing this one?" and they're all just terrible. They're all just random letters and numbers and gibberish. I'm like, "Well, it's true, I did orde... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I always hate that, when people try to sell you... And the other thing I find too is if you search for a domain and you're sitting on it, you're like "I wonder if I should buy that" and you go back, it always seems to become like a premium domain with a higher price, and you're like "Seriously?!" Y... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's my problem. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** If you search through the register search forums, then they know. You have to search via Whois directly, or something, so they don't know that you're searching for it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Shopping for domains through Whois first... \[laughs\] |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah... Search for it on the terminal. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I always go to the registrar with my credit card. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So you had mentioned the 1.9 release, too... What are some of the things that you're working on specifically for 1.9? Anything you can talk about yet? |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** I'm actually seeing how little code I can touch in the tree for 1.9. A lot of stuff I'm doing is really all about getting the community more involved in bug triage and code review triage... Because as Go grows both internally and externally, the number of bug reports we get and the number of chang... |
So I'm trying to make it easier for the community to get involved, so they don't feel intimidated, they know the process, or we have better dashboards telling them what needs attention... |
We made this wiki page called [Gardening](https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/gardening), which is just all the kind of gardening tasks that people can do if you have five minutes or ten minutes to kill and you wanna help Go out. We try to say, "Here's a list of either GitHub queries for issues that might need attention"... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Where is this list? |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** There's a list at golang.org/wiki/gardening. Various open source projects use this phrase "gardening" as kind of like a background cleanup task you can do... Because you know, gardening and picking weeds never ends. There's a whole bunch of tasks listed there. |
Maybe we had to label "Waiting for info" on a bug and reviewing the bugs on GitHub labeled "Waiting for info" and seeing "Should this be closed? Did this timeout? Did the OP get back to us with the requested information?" Kind of just moving bugs along and pinging them when necessary... |
If someone sends in a code review that has the wrong commit message format, telling them how to format their commit message, telling them that they forgot tests, finding typos... There's lots of easy things you could do that are unrelated to whether the patch is actually correct, or whatever. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Here's an interesting thought... Usually for the release cycles [Dave Cheney](https://twitter.com/davecheney) puts together a presentation, and multiple meetup groups present that. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Yeah, the global release parties. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, so I wonder if some sort of shared presentation like that could be put together and it could be used as content for meetups? A lot of meetups are always looking for content, so each person could present and maybe turn it into like "Hey, we don't have anything to talk about this month, let's h... |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** That's an interesting thought. Maybe I should try that out at the Seattle meetup sometime here. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** That reminds me too that a lot of languages have Bugmash, right? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Bugmash, yeah. |
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