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**Brad Fitzpatrick:** It's not too much at all. I think it's only 150 gigabytes or something. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's not bad. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Yeah, it's not bad at all. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's half of my iTunes library. \[laughter\] |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Do you still collect music? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I did for a long time, now I don't even use iTunes anymore. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** I just sold my car and I found my old iPod... One of those big ones that had a rotating hard drive in it, and it was still in my glove compartment hooked up to the car, because the car had this iPod connector cable in there... And I had basically my college music snapshot on this 80 gig disk, and ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's so awesome... I found a Sony MiniDisc in my drawer yesterday or the way before, and I have absolutely no way to know what music is on it. I'm sure it's really epic, but I have absolutely no clue. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I'm sure you could probably Craigslist the drive or something for it... Somebody's bound to have one... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, if I cared... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I've got probably a portable hard drive or two with music on it, but I held onto it for the longest time, because I'm like "Well, what if I actually need the MP3s?" |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Your Napster collection? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Now it's too easy... You can stream from any device; Bluetooth in my car, and Spotify from there - problem solved. I don't need MP3s. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** I found a box of my earliest programs from the Apple 2 on these five-and-a-quarter-inch floppies, and I had no way to read them, but somebody on the internet said, "Oh, I have the hardware for that. I can image them and send you back the raw data", then I figured I could put it in the emulator, or... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Aw. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Aww... |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** But it's okay. They are probably dead anyway. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Or, have you had your identity stolen recently? \[laughter\] He found something good on there and he's like, "Oh..." |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** No, those programs - they were not good. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I still miss some of those days, too... I always ask people when they say they have the five-and-a-halves, it's like "Do you have Oregon Trial?" I betcha you can get that in the emulator now... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You guys are so young... When I was a kid, we had to type in our applications from the back of Byte Magazine, and when you turned off the computer, the app went with it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** You had to type it in every time you wanted to use it? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's right. I didn't even have a cassette deck to store when I first started computing. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, that's definitely before my time. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Mom would come in and she'd be like, "You need to shut that off." "No, no, no... We're not shutting anything off." No, no, no... That was a lot of typing. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I do remember having 28k baud modems. Actually, mine \[unintelligible 00:31:42.00\] where like if you wanted music, you wanted the whole CD, you had to leave it on overnight and hope that nobody disconnected the phone line... You woke up in the morning, "Noooooo...!" |
It's funny though, because generations now probably don't even realize the irony. When a lot of us started out with the internet, you called up the internet, right? The internet was served over telephone lines, and now telephone is served over internet lines. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Have you guys watched the TV show "Halt and Catch Fire"? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Only a couple of episodes. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Okay... It follows the late '70s and '80s computer industry, and I think season two is about a dial-up ISP, kind of like a BBS system company that they're building, and the whole thing is super nostalgic... It's a pretty good show. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** That is a good show. I also didn't watch all the episodes, but I need to go back to it. Thanks for the reminder. |
**Erik St. Martin:** What was the HBO one that was about startup life? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Silicon Valley? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, there was that one and there was another one. Yeah, I think Silicon Valley was the one. That's hilarious... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** That's hilarious. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I can't watch it... It's too close to home. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's like, "Yeah, one guy took the money and then I think he killed himself", and it's like, "No, wait... Maybe he didn't take the money. Oh, I'm forgetting..." \[laughs\] |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I think they did it really well, they did a good job consulting with whoever they consulted with. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Probably Brad. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It was Brad behind the scenes. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Probably. So we were talking about storage, and of course we need to talk about -- I don't know how to pronounce it... [Camlistore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perkeep)? |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Yeah... The temporary name that was not temporary. I always thought I was gonna rename that one day. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah... I watched a little bit of your video, and I understand that it's an acronym. |
**Brad Fitzpatrick:** Yeah, so this was the project that got me into Go, actually. I was working on Android at the time at Google, in Mountain View, and the bus ride between San Francisco and Mountain View, on a good day, takes 45 minutes, on a bad day takes like two hours. |
So I had sometimes four hours to kill on this bus, and I could either hate my life or I could write code... But I needed something to write, so I had this idea that I wanted to build the storage system to end all storage systems to backup all my stuff and archive all my content from all these social networking sites. I... |
I knew the data model I wanted, I knew the protocols I wanted; I had kept a bunch of notes... So then I had to actually just build the thing and I had to choose what language I wanted to use, and I googled the options: C++, Python or Java... I had written enough in all of these languages to know I definitely did not wa... |
C++ is basically only usable if you have a giant standard library like Google and you have a good build system like Google, but otherwise the tooling for C++ is kind of painful. I'd written enough Python and Perl to know that it's not really great to write servers, because you have to either do lots of callbacks and al... |
This was about the time that Go was coming out, so I decided I would prototype my idea in Go first. I got into that riding on the bus, which was great, because I didn't need the internet, I had good (enough) tooling at the time... This was before the `go` commands, so you had to use makefiles, but it still compiled so ... |
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