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**Erik St. Martin:** Actually, that sparks some ideas, too. One of the programs that I always like using on my Mac is [Navicat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navicat). I like having a consistent UI for database stuff... So I naturally thought on my Linux machine they have Navicat for Linux, except it's just the Windows... |
**Kris Nova:** Yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It would. |
**Erik St. Martin:** My contribution to the world... \[laughs\] |
**Kris Nova:** I think it was cool for me because containers always were kind of like this mystery, and then you kind of realize, there's a lot going on, but at the end of the day we're head in your kernel... So whatever we would be setting to the kernel "in real life" you're gonna get pretty close to the same function... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think there's difficulty in adoption of containers though, because explaining the differences -- I forget who it was, whether it was [Brendan Gregg](https://twitter.com/brendangregg) or somebody... I was reading kind of like a performance article where it basically said that most of his day is sp... |
**Kris Nova:** Right. |
**Erik St. Martin:** But I guess the natural assumption is that it's a lot closer to a virtual machine, and that there's a bigger layer of abstraction there. |
**Kris Nova:** But it's really not... It's just a container, at the end of the day; \[unintelligible 00:22:14.22\] something, and that's that. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, that's basically what I tell people - it's a lot closer to just a highly configured process than it is a VM. |
**Kris Nova:** Yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So you guys were just acquired - "you guys" being Deis - by Microsoft... Tell us about the culture change there. Deis was a nice startup in the Boulder - Denver area, and then you went off to Engine Yard, and now Microsoft... So that's two big changes in two years; what's the culture like at Microso... |
**Kris Nova:** I was so impressed and fell in love so quickly... Because I was kind of worried, like "Am I gonna still be able to write Go? What is this gonna look like?" and I think after the first day of exploring [Azure on GitHub](https://github.com/azure) and going through the code, like -- Microsoft loves Linux. W... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Wow. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's really interesting to see the love for Linux coming out of Microsoft in recent years, and making Bash run on Windows, too... |
**Kris Nova:** I love it. And it's so cool... I feel almost a sense of pride to be a part of that, because coming from a world where Microsoft is always sort of different, and Windows is always sort of different to be like "Hey, we're gonna build out these really awesome products in this really great cloud, using Unix,... |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's so awesome. So how about free time? What do you like to do in your free time? We know some stuff from the band thing... You've got quite a collection of instruments. |
**Kris Nova:** \[24:06\] I do. I play a lot of music; I have a whole basement filled with instruments. Actually, we're moving next week, so they're all in boxes right now, so I'm having a guitar withdrawal... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, man... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I think my guitar withdrawal has passed... Now it's just a decoration for my office. \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's like one of those Ghost paints? I've just put my whole band room back together, because I had put hardwood in it over the last month... Now all the hardwood's done and I put the whole band back together last night, and plugged in my amp for the first time at 10 PM, and went a little bit crazy o... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Carlisia, do you play any instruments? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** No, I don't. I played piano for a couple years when I was -- I can't even remember; maybe I was nine. But I don't remember a thing. I remember how to position the fingers. That's it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think in order for me to say that I played the guitar, we would have to clearly define what the definition of "play" is... \[laughter\] |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I might be taking up [ukulele](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukulele) soon... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, ukulele is so much fun. |
**Kris Nova:** Yeah, that's such a cool instrument. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I don't know, I think the [keytar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keytar) is a pretty cool instrument though, too. It's one of those things... To see somebody who knows how to play it is awesome. |
**Kris Nova:** I played synth in a band for a number of years, and that sort of went anywhere from weighted key piano, to playing organ, to actually having this super teeny-tiny microKORG with little itty-bitty keys on it... And keytar - it's such a unique instrument, because you have to kind of have one hand that's do... |
It took a while to get into this -- like, I'm holding it like a guitar, playing it like a piano, and my other hand is doing guitar things. But I bought it, and then the first thing I had to learn how to play was [Frankenstein by the Edgar Winters Group](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8f-Qb-bwlU). \[laughter\] I playe... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** ...somebody's gonna have to die. |
**Kris Nova:** Yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I just pasted a [YouTube search result](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jordan+rudess+keytar+solo) for Jordan Rudess' keytar solos into the Slack. I've seen him live several times, but one of them he did like this nine-minute epic keytar thing, and it just changed my idea of keytars for... |
**Kris Nova:** I will check that out. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So I think by the time this episode is released, we will be in our 30-day window to the conference. Are you well prepared? Are you sitting back, relaxing, rehearsing, or still racing and doing last-minute changes? |
**Kris Nova:** I've had my deck done for a while... I gave the talk about a month ago -- I gave the short and condensed version of it for an internal thing at a company... So I think I'm ready. Probably as we get closer to the conference I'm gonna get a little more like "Oh, man... I wanna make sure that this thing is ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Oh, you haven't attended yet? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh... Newbie. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's gonna be awesome. Brian, we found the one person who doesn't procrastinate. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Right, I was just thinking "Wow, this person has their talk done ahead of time?" |
**Carlisia Thompson:** That's unheard of... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Usually we spend the night before each next day, moving between hotel rooms, helping people finish their talks. Last year I don't even know if we got to sleep the night before each day, because it was just moving from one hotel room to the next, listening to people's talks, fixing their slides... It... |
**Kris Nova:** \[28:11\] Thanks. It does keep changing, I will say that. The story -- it's like a fish story, it gets more dramatic every time I tell it, but as Kubernetes grows and as I learned more, and as I kind of go deeper into the rabbit hole, I'm like "Oh, this might be another interesting tidbit to throw in the... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Evolution is okay, but not having it done the day you show up to the conference - not so okay. |
**Erik St. Martin:** There are those beautiful people who can just get up on stage and totally wing something, though... And I can only be in awe. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Do you know who's really good at that? This is totally random, but [Charlie Nutter](https://twitter.com/headius), the guy who does most of the JRuby stuff... He can show up at any conference and you just give him a topic and he'll riff an entire hour-long talk flawlessly with live code. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Wow. |
**Kris Nova:** Wow. That's like rock climbing without a rope. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, that's pretty much what I say - wow. If you've ever seen it, it's impressive. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So do you guys wanna talk about anything projects and news-wise? I think we have probably like 15 minutes or so left in the show. |
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