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**Charity Majors:** Yeah, JSON is the language that we're all rallying around, which is why your metrics should be in it, too. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Uh-oh... Somebody just messaged a shirt that says "No." I don't get it. \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's for you, Erik. That's for you. |
**Charity Majors:** I'm still trying passwords one by one, trying to get back into that channel. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's never gonna happen. Give it up. |
**Charity Majors:** I know... |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[23:51\] You'll get it figured out as soon as we end this show, it's good. \[laughter\] That's the way it always works. You'll be trying to think of something during a conversation, and you remember the second the person leaves. |
**Charity Majors:** Obviously... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So who's your target user for Honeycomb? What problem are you looking to solve? |
**Charity Majors:** Honestly, my heart is in empowering developers. I feel like New Relic is really great at helping developers get this first flash of "Oh wait, you mean I can know what's going on?" But you run into a wall. Everyone I've ever talked to is like, "Yeah, it was great, and now I can't find something", and... |
Ops people don't need to be sold on this; they generally know what's wrong with our current set of tools. I feel like we're ready for the second wave of DevOps, though. The first wave was all about "DevOps people write better software" and "Message received." I think we've spent the last 5-6 years leveling up on writin... |
Now I think it's time to be just as hard-lined against "Alright developers, time to know how your stuff works. Time to know how to own your services from end to end. Time to know how to architect things, how to maintain things and how to be on call for things." Collectively, we will work to make on-call not miserable; ... |
Also, operations is becoming a specialist gig, honestly, and DBAs are never going away, but they're increasingly getting on the other side of an API. And if you care about being a good engineer - I know I'm making a lot of blanket statements here... But at Parse we had all these mom and pop shops who build an app; who'... |
I think this is an approach that feels a little foreign to ops people, because they're used to predicting how their system will break and building out monitoring tools for that system, and I think it feels very natural and homegrown for software engineers. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So really this is the personification of DevOps in an app. |
**Charity Majors:** Absolutely. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Interesting. So there's a lot of big Go news this week... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I heard something about a release, or something... You know? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, this is a big week for releases, apparently. |
**Charity Majors:** Oh, yes. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** And we slacked, completely... Oh my god, we dropped the ball on the Go release. We forgot to book our venue in the Tampa Go meetup for our Go 1.8 release party, so we're actually going to have a Go release party that's like two weeks late because we're lame. Oops! |
**Erik St. Martin:** Is that why you're well-rested today, Charity? You needed to get your sleep for the release party? |
**Charity Majors:** Yes, actually I will be there. I'm very much looking forward to it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Are you in the Bay Area? |
**Charity Majors:** Yes, San Francisco. We actually wrote a blog post for you guys, that I forgot to mention. If you look at blog.honeycomb.io, we wrote a post - I wrote it late last night - showing some Go internals using Honeycomb. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** How cool is that? |
**Charity Majors:** Yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** We're gonna get on some retweeting action there, hang on... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Nice. I know what I'm playing. \[laughter\] |
**Charity Majors:** Event-driven instrumentation in Go is easy and fun. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[28:06\] I'm quoting that. |
**Erik St. Martin:** This is really cool. I don't know how you do it, Brian. He can sit here and quote people off and drop stuff on Twitter during the show... \[laughter\] |
**Charity Majors:** He's multi-threaded. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's right, I'm multi-threaded... It's Go. I just fire off a new goroutine, it's all good. \[laughter\] It comes from having three kids. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So have you played with the beta for 1.8? |
**Charity Majors:** I haven't. Dude, I'm CEO. How much time do you think I get to spend with code? Not enough. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That seems to be the hardest part too about founding stuff and management, too... |
**Charity Majors:** It really is... |
**Erik St. Martin:** "But I wanna code... Please, just leave my office so I can write some code." |
**Brian Ketelsen:** "What do you mean you want a one-on-one? Go away." \[laughter\] |
**Charity Majors:** "We just had one last week... God!" |
**Brian Ketelsen:** "Didn't I hire you? Isn't that enough affirmation for you? Come on!" |
**Charity Majors:** \[laughs\] No, I don't mind the management and the affirmation... It's funny, I think about this now... I used to really hate repeating myself. In theory I still do, but that part of me has just grown numb from being hit with a sledgehammer every day, repeating myself about the the pitch and the pro... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, and that's the best part about finding the VCs that do care... Once you find them, you really appreciate them for who they are. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I love VCs for making things happen, but I think I'd probably be a terrible salesperson trying to convince them to give me money. "Why should I give you money?" "Because it's gonna be awesome...?" |
**Charity Majors:** Yeah, I know, right? \[laughs\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Because I said so... |
**Charity Majors:** You mean, because it's gonna have high impact and revolutionize something. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, the buzzwords... They're terrible. |
**Charity Majors:** I know. |
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