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**Brian Ketelsen:** This blog post is huge. You guys rock! Thanks for putting that together for our show. |
**Charity Majors:** Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having us. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Why am I losing the word that everybody uses now...? Disrupt - it's gonna disrupt. |
**Charity Majors:** Yes. Oh god, I just twitched involuntarily. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's gonna disrupt cloud... Cloud as you know it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** The cloud... I love cloud. "Cloud" and "serverless", my two favorite words. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Cloud has just been hard for me to connect with, because it's like "How is that any different?" What's the difference between putting something in a data center on servers? Like, "Oh well, it's distributed and backed up and fault-tolerant." That's just good operations, that's not anything new. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No, it's in the cloud! My dad was over here a couple days ago and he's like, "What is the cloud?" and I said, "Somebody else's computer." "Oh! Well, that makes more sense." He totally got that... Yeah, that's just somebody else's computer. |
**Charity Majors:** \[laughs\] I had a hard time with DevOps for so long... I was just angry, because people would be like, "I want a DevOps engineer" and I'm like, "That's not a thing. That's like saying you want an agile engineer. It's not a thing!" But I'll just get over it... It doesn't mean anything anymore. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Somebody told me of a new thing, it's like "dev sec ops", or something... They're trying to merge security stuff in... |
**Charity Majors:** Oh, god... Stop... Stop... Stop... \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[31:54\] And you have to question, because okay, some amount of collaboration needs to be done, because for a long time development and operations - you tossed it over a wall. You might not have even met the people or ever talked to the people who are going to keep this thing alive in production, ... |
**Charity Majors:** I know, right? We have a common goal that we work towards... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Maybe that's one thing that the startup culture has brought, though... The much smaller team where engineers have to be more versed in things like deployment and security. You don't get the luxury of specializing in just writing code. |
I remember one of the things that frustrated me about being a corporate developer 20 years ago was you'd have these people that were very good at writing code, but they didn't have the first clue about what happened after they checked that code in. They didn't even understand how the compilers worked, they didn't under... |
**Charity Majors:** Hardware. Show me your hardware. Yeah. Tell me about your full stack engineer. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Full stack is just an excuse. Somebody kind of lead to that... Full stack is kind of like an excuse to just underpay people. That's like your first programming job where they're like "You are the programmer, the system administrator and the IT support guy, and we're gonna pay you McDonald's income ... |
**Charity Majors:** It always reminds me of all douchebag wondering around San Francisco looking for that technical co-founder who will do everything, you know? \[laughter\] They've got the marketing, they've got the design, they've got the blah... They just seem like somebody that will just do it all. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So how about you, Carlisia - are you going to any release parties tonight? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Absolutely. The San Diego Go Meetup is having a release party. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I kind of wish Brian and I hadn't dropped the ball. A release party would have been fun. \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** We're thinking about doing a release barbecue though, just a little bit late. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, is there? |
**Erik St. Martin:** It works for me. I love barbecue. So you guys wanna talk about any projects, or anything we've come across this week? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, let's do it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So I came across one that was actually really interesting called [Pixterm](https://github.com/eliukblau/pixterm), which allows you to do images in just an ANSI terminal, which is really cool. And it's written in Go. The stuff people can do in a terminal is insane. I fight just to get my text to lin... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, that's awesome. I'm just looking at their readme, that's pretty killer. I can't even get Vim to look good, and they're making all these pretty pictures in the terminal. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Like a He-Man... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** A He-Man... That's awesome. Very cool. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That is He-Man, isn't it? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I think so, yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I might be showing my age a little bit, but I think that's He-Man. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** We didn't have TVs when I was a kid, so I don't know what you're talking about. |
**Erik St. Martin:** They had TVs when you were a kid. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** We didn't have a TV when I was a kid. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Oh, you didn't have one? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No. For at least ten years my parents were completely against television, so I've missed a lot. Missed a lot of cultural references that I had to go back later and explore. But boy, did I binge on Knight Rider when it finally came time. And Airwolf, oh my god. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[36:08\] Me and TVs have been tight since I was little. I think I was two... I actually have a dimple one cheek, and that's because when I was two I climbed up on the stand where the TV was to turn it on, and pulled the TV over on my face. No broken bones, no torn muscles... A dimple. If you wanna... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's awesome. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's funny, because it's almost unbelievable. People are like, "No..." Yeah. We must have had a TV in my house for most of my childhood, I'd have to guess. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Even I had a TV growing up, Brian... \[laughs\] |
**Charity Majors:** I didn't have a TV. My parents would drag one out of the garage every four years for the Olympics, and that was it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, wow... |
**Erik St. Martin:** So you had one, it was just put up, except for special... |
**Charity Majors:** My dad wanted to be able to say there was no TV in the house... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Interesting. |
**Charity Majors:** ...and there wasn't. It was in the garage. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Is that more because they wanted -- I'm interested to learn this... Is this more to learn? |
**Charity Majors:** They were trying to secede from modern society completely. Electricity was a compromise with them. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's a pretty important compromise, though... |
**Charity Majors:** We were home schooled, no sugar, we grew our own food... It was kind of like women's compound honestly. |
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