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**Erik St. Martin:** Did your background as a C\# developer - did that mean you were mostly developing for Windows platforms and you noticed a lot of the things that you wanted to run didn't have Windows support? What was the motivation behind that talk? What prompted you to tell the world? |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** My background has always been across the three operating systems, but for a good chunk of the beginning of my career I was paid by the day to work on C\# in the Microsoft world, and then at night I would be doing my own stuff with my Linux servers. But what happened was I got brought on to the Ra... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I'm curious how many of those you got wrapped into... |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** \[04:07\] More than I wanted to, probably... I have nothing against Windows; that's my beginning. I guess my frustration is that there's been this bit of a fence between the two communities, and maybe a little bit of looking down from both sides of the fence, which sounds against the laws of phys... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's right. All three, actually. Linux, too. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yes, all three. Linux, too. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Don't be shy. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I don't use Windows quite as much these days, but I think that's mostly just because most of my workflow stuff is on Mac and I develop for Linux, so therefore I develop solely on Linux. I periodically tinker with Windows, but I've never written software for it, outside of some C\# apps for people..... |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** You'd be surprised. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Why hopefully? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Well, you kind of need to be aware of the landscape, right? So I can't really have any solid opinions about Windows when the last version of Windows I used to any degree was like XP, right? |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Sure. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So I think just as a software craftsman you should really be familiar with where things are... It'd be like somebody in the late '90s or early 2000s using Linux being like "This stinks" and then never looking at it again. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yeah, I run into that with a bunch of people. Personally, I run a Mac and then Linux is in Docker containers and in VMs, and then I run parallels, and that lets me jump into Windows apps. A lot of big companies - maybe not the cool ones, who let you use Google apps, but have things like Outlook t... |
That's one of the big things - you made a command line tool, it does some \[unintelligible 00:06:20.05\] script or something like that, and you may not think about Windows, but they probably wanna run it, too. So it doesn't have to be like desktop apps, it can be anything as a developer that you need, your Windows bret... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I have the biggest problem with virtualization. If I could just be happy in parallels or VMware or something like that, I would probably have a much easier life, but I cannot work in a VM, I just can't. There's a mental block, I just can't do it. So instead, I have Windows laptops, Mac laptops, Linu... |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Just have a six-port [KVM](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine) to kind of handle it all? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I wish... I haven't found a KVM that works in modern computers anymore... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I haven't found -- obviously, I know some really good server-based KVMs and stuff, but for at-home desktop use I haven't really found a good one that I like either. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** I have a two-port one from IOGEAR to juggle between my PC and my Mac laptop, and it works really well as long as you have those little display port adaptors. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I think my Windows usage is probably all VM too, and mostly because of like a random IE bug... And it's 2017, people - why do we have random IE bugs? Although I'm thankful, because earlier in my career I had to fight all the IE 6 stuff, and that was not fun. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** My career goes a little bit before IE 6, actually... It used to be worse. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Well, my career definitely goes before that, but IE 6 was probably one of the w-- because that's when people really started trying to do a lot of JavaScript and CSS-based stuff, and you had browser incompatibilities. And then there was just weird ones... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[08:16\] You guys are so cute, with your IE 6... I remember back when I was a kid Microsoft sent me Internet Explorer 4 on a CD, because I was a Microsoft certified something or other... Internet Explorer 4 on a CD. I still have it somewhere. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** You should. You should frame that. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** 1997. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I remember Windows 3.1... I wasn't working in computing back then, but I remember running it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You weren't born yet. |
**Erik St. Martin:** With 3.1? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Come on now... |
**Erik St. Martin:** What was the release date? Somebody in Slack... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You were in grade school. What was the release date for 3.1? |
**Erik St. Martin:** And I was fortunate as a kid to have access to a lot of computers, which was cool. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** 1992. |
**Erik St. Martin:** See, I was born. I'm young, I'm not that young. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Barely... So I have a story to tell that will help us kick off one of the main topics for our show today. I was walking home from [Golang UK](https://www.golanguk.com/archive/2017/) this afternoon; it's like 6:30 or something like that, and I'm kind of sneaking out because I didn't say goodbye to 60... |
So this guy, randomly listening to our podcast, calls his old boss and says "I hear you're doing Go now. Hire me back", and they did, and now he's doing Go because he listened to Go Time. I found that to be just -- I was giddy, I was so excited. That's awesome. We brought a person who wanted to be doing Go directly int... |
Carolyn's doing awesome work over on Dep as a maintainer for the Dep project, which is arguably [the most important Go project on the planet right now](https://golang.github.io/dep/)... |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Of course. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's time for us to get her employed. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Carolyn, when you said you're doing Go full-time, is that what you meant, that you're working on the Dep project full-time? Or are you doing that and something else? |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** It's mostly Dep. You know, I've never been a maintainer before in an active community. I have open sourced many things that I've done, but never had anyone else interested in working on it, and oh my goodness, I had no concept for how much time you could spend if you wanted to on curating issues,... |
Maybe I should spend more time looking for a job, and less-- |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[12:19\] Well, that's how you become 10x. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** There you go, yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I think it was [Bryan Liles](https://twitter.com/bryanl) who said it best, "You become 10x by helping 10 people do stuff." |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yeah. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** So we have to go way, way back and investigate how you got into this position, if the opportunity to contribute to Dep came first and then you decided to (I'm assuming) take time off...? Because it seems that you're actively looking for a job as well. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yeah, it was a convergence of events, really. Up until this April I was working at Rackspace, and they heavily encouraged me to contribute to open source... So I'd do smaller things, tools and things like that, but I was really looking to get more involved, and around December/January there were ... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Let me pause for a minute so we don't get side-tracked -- or at least I don't get side-tracked. At that point, what were you doing? Were you doing any Go? You said you were using Glide, but were you also using Go for any of your work? |
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