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**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yes, I was. At the time, Rackspace had a product called Carina, it was containers as a service, and you could push a button on a website and it would give you [Docker Swarm](https://github.com/docker/swarm) or [Kubernetes](https://kubernetes.io/), and then you could immediately start working with... |
Then what happened, unfortunately, is that in March they cut my product and decided to go in a different direction. At that point I'd contributed enough to Dep that I just had this little thing in my head, which is "If they take me off this project, maybe I won't be contributing to this anymore; I'll be doing more inte... |
I'm incredibly lucky, I'm in a position where I had the funds to say "I'm not gonna work for a little bit, and I'm gonna focus on Dep." So I hit up [Sam Boyer](https://twitter.com/sdboyer) and just said "Are you cool with this? Like, I'm not some weirdo, lurker... Are you alright if I just work on this for a while?" He... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I can't imagine Sam was disappointed by having somebody spend so much attention on Dep... |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** No, he wasn't. Excessive emoji were just everywhere at the time, trying to get me to go for it... So I did, and I just kind of switched over to doing that. In the meantime I've been looking for a job pretty passively, to be honest... I should try harder. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, you're on Go Time now, so that party is over. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** There you go, yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** 60 million listeners. \[laughter\] 60 million listeners. Our Nielsen ratings are off the charts. I expect it's gonna be a little crazy now. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** \[16:13\] I'm all for that. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I have a couple questions too about your beginnings. At that point when you said "Okay, I'm going to take time off and work on Dep full-time for a while", at that point how much Go experience did you have? And my other question is "How did you becoming an official maintainer for Dep happen?" Was ... |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Sure. So yes, I had been coding in Go; it had been a little bit of some back-end services to power Carina and then also all the command line tools. So I was pretty familiar with it, but mostly from the CLI perspective, which Dep is a CLI, so that was kind of a natural transition for me. And then ... |
Sam noticed that and said "Hey, I've noticed that you're not just submitting stuff, you're also trying to help other people and give pull request feedback. Would you be interested in just being a maintainer and being able to merge some of these?", instead of waiting three days for him to come around and merge it. So th... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** That's so funny. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** I think Dep at the time was very unique - I could be totally wrong; maybe people with more experience with open source could tell you, but for a more established project where there already were maintainers, I think maybe there would be more involved with becoming one... But I was basically one o... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's really awesome. Your tweet when you linked to the pull request that was finally accepted - I still remember that tweet, it made my day. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** It made my Twitter month, I think. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You don't often get to see direct results from things you do, like the webinars. You hear people say "Thanks, that was awesome", but tying a webinar on contributing to Go directly back to a pull request and a first contribution to an open source project - that really tied the loop and made it fun. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yeah, every time you get feedback like that it kind of helps give you that emotional recharge to go back out and do more things in the community... At least that's what I think. When I go to a meetup sometimes, even when a meetup doesn't go well last night I turned into a drowned rat and got tota... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[20:10\] So let me recap here for just a minute... You've given a talk at GopherCon, which is the most prestigious conference in the world, you are a maintainer of Dep, and you talked at the Chicago Go meetup, too? |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** This was my first talk, at the Chicago Gophers... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Don't downplay this, Carolyn. Work with me here... Don't downplay me. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** No, no, but I wanna talk about Women Who Go. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Okay, talk about Women Who Go, but just allow me to make my point that you're a goddess in Go, and you are one of the anointed, because you're awesome, and you made yourself that way. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Brian should be paid to be a hype man. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Ain't I right? |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** I call him my Gopher job sherpa, to be honest... I've seen your magic in the past, and I'm glad that it's being focused on me. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm the Go whisperer... |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** I just wanted to call out that I started -- not started, but Women Who Go is obviously a thing, and when I realized that there wasn't one in Chicago, about the same time I started one up as well, so... If there's any ladies listening out there and you're near Chicago, even in the burbs, please, [... |
We make little \[unintelligible 00:21:18.06\] so we'll get together and then we'll go to Chicago Gophers or other -- it doesn't have to be Go-related; we all went to the Docker birthday party, and just kind of makes a little "Go ladies" posse. It's fun. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** So what was your talk last night about? |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Dep, of course. At GopherCon this year I did a [lightning talk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZwR8qr2BfI&list=PL2ntRZ1ySWBfhRZj3BDOrKdHzoafHsKHU&index=15) about -- you know, Sam gave you the overview of "These are all of our really big plans, and then this is just brass tacks... This is how De... |
**Erik St. Martin:** You know how ironic it would be if your talk was about writing dry code? \[laughter\] |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** I hope no one took a picture last night, because literally I finished my talk, I looked down and I had a puddle underneath. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, wow... That's rain. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yeah... It was a little wet in Chicago last night. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** But we command your discipline, and -- what's the word where you do things that you're supposed to do because you agreed to do it... There's gotta be one of those words. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Commitment, responsibility... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** There you go, all of those things. Thank you, Erik, for the words... Which I've lost. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** One reason why I thought it was so cool that you were coming on this show today was to hear your story and share your story and share your background so people can know how awesome you are... And Sam Boyer, by the way, was saying "Yes, correct!" when Brian was saying that you are great... But als... |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yeah. First of all, when you're getting paid to do something other than Go all day, it's really hard to say -- it's the weekend, the kids are outside playing and you're like "No, but I'm gonna go read a book and then go through some coding exercises." So figuring out ways to sneak in using Go whe... |
\[24:22\] The nice thing about that - you'll find the little scripts. Usually every team has dev tools, little things that help their CI along, or commit hooks, things like that... They're usually written in Bash, or Python, or something like that, and the beauty of it is someone already wrote it; they've identified so... |
One of the Women Who Go made a Slack bot that you could say Welcome to someone to the Women Who Go channel, and it would go to [gopherize.me](https://gopherize.me/) and make them a custom gopher. Those are all just like nice, little things you can do, and usually you can sneak that into your day job to try out Go and d... |
You could say, like, books and things like that... I definitely am reading things as I go, but it's just not how I work. How did I learn Go? I didn't read a book, I didn't do anything; I literally just looked at the language spec, looked at the Bash script I had to work off of, and just ported the Docker version manage... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Like Neo in the Matrix, "I know kung-fu." |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yes, exactly. That's definitely how it went along. But once you get something like that though, having pull requests I think is one of the best ways that I have learned the Go way, the idiomatic way of doing things. I brought over a ton of -- I won't say "bad habits", but definitely different way... |
I haven't had a single person be mean to me when I say something like that. Everyone's just been really quick to teach me for free, so that was kind of nice. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** That's really cool. |
**Carolyn Van Slyck:** Yeah. In an open source community, even if you don't have something to do -- I started to run out of Go things to do at work, and that's where I started looking around and I saw Dep and I kind of jumped on that and started working on it. And it's really intimidating at first to contribute to a ne... |
\[27:56\] When we went into GopherCon, we had a readme and I think it was written in December, and there was no reality to that readme; it did not reflect how the tool worked at all at that point. And to the last day on the community day, I sat down at a table with like six people and we said "Let's make docs, let's do... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I wanted to make a comment too about the timeline, too. I think when people try to pick up a language or contribute to a project and stuff like that, I think people can beat themselves up over time, too... And we don't realize -- like you said, if you can sneak it in at work, you can learn it a lot... |
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