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I'm thinking about going back in time with code history, but forward in time with releases of the tool... It's a very weird place to be in. So you should be able to commit your manifest and log files once we get to the stabilization point, and going back to even those old versions will work fine with even future versio... |
I think the spot we'll be in is hopefully a lot of people will have had a chance to try it, dep will have existed out in the wild as a standalone thing, it will also have existed for hopefully most of the release cycle as part of the toolchain itself, so people will have the chance to try it in both places. Then we'll ... |
I know there's some hesitation around hiding it behind a feature flag or something like that, because ended up getting complicated with Vendor, but we'll have to see... There's a lot of considerations here, obviously. This ends up touching a lot of things, so the best we can do for now is we just keep pushing forward, ... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** A lot of work |
**Sam Boyer:** Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think it goes that way with most of these projects, and everybody has their own view for how these things work; we all come from different places and backgrounds, and there's so many different ways people are doing dependency management in the wild now, so... I think that there is mostly agreemen... |
**Sam Boyer:** \[39:55\] Yeah, that was a lot of the work in 2016 for sure - getting people on board, and I can't tell you how pleased I am with everyone who came together. It was a herculean and long-time effort, but I'm super pleased with all the people that have come together, users and developers of tools alike, to... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's awesome. You have to admit, the Go community is pretty awesome. |
**Sam Boyer:** I cannot argue with that. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, we would laugh at you if you did. \[laughter\] |
**Sam Boyer:** You would be right. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, so with that, I think it is time for our second sponsor break. Our second sponsor for today is Compose. |
**Break:** \[40:36\] to \[\\00:42:19.12\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, we are back, talking to Sam Boyer. So we were going through all the dependency tool stuff... Does everybody wanna talk about projects and news, things we've seen and come across this past week? I know you've mentioned UpSpin... I think we've got a few minutes left of the show, so... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** UpSpin is a big one, for sure. If you haven't seen it yet, it's a big project... It's written in Go, and it was written by Rob Pike and Andrew Gerrand among others. A lot of fancy distributed storage mechanisms to it, but at the end of the day the idea is that your content will be addressable with a... |
**Sam Boyer:** UpSpin is responsible for finding an obscure bug in GPS. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, that's cool. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Really? |
**Sam Boyer:** Yeah. Not actually that obscure, but... If you import something from tests -- if you import from a test in package A and package B, and then package B imports package A, that's perfectly legal; it's not an import cycle, because you're not actually importing from package B the stuff in the testing part of... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, these things happen. You have to break some eggs to make an omelet. |
**Sam Boyer:** It's true. We'll fix it eventually... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Anybody who may not have listened, 1.8 came out last week... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[44:09\] Yeah, live on our show it came out. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Right. Brian was making a joke, because basically the blog post and tweet dropped while we were recording our show... He's like, "Oh, they were just waiting for us to record." \[laughs\] |
**Carlisia Thompson:** So we could annouce it.. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So yeah, there were a couple of bugs found, that they've already been working on, one of which was really interesting... Basically, it's starting to run across where the SSA optimizations have dependencies on each other and ordering issues now. Inside a loop, if all you did was use the Atomic packa... |
It's just interesting, because I think as we come across some of these things, we're gonna run into some more issues, but SSA is gonna be awesome. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I love seeing all of the graphs that people are posting on Twitter of their Go 1.8 garbage collection time as compared to 1.7. The way they used to joke when the new Mac OS came out - "It feels faster already", and Go is actually making that, too. I love that. It makes me happy. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, that's one of the things I love about Go so much - if you just keep writing idiomatic Go, they make it faster for you; you don't have to think about it too much. I saw a post too, and I actually linked to it in our show docs, where Josh Bleecher Snyder was talking about some optimizations in ... |
How about you, Sam? Do you have any cool things that are on your radar right now? |
**Sam Boyer:** The truth is I am so just completely narrowly focused on the dependency management problem that other people say "Hey, this thing is happening", and I'm like, "Oh, there's a world outside of what I'm doing...", because I just forget about it. Give me a second, I'll come up with something. |
**Erik St. Martin:** You're not forced. As part of the show, we like to discuss things we've run across and things we're playing with. Brian brought (a couple episodes ago?) up a thing called Wuzz, which is kind of like a cool TUI (text user interface) way of messing with cURL, for anyone who doesn't wanna remember all... |
I ran across one this week called [HTTPLab](https://github.com/gchaincl/httplab), which is kind of similar. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Is HTTP Lab the one that's like a server-side... It's the opposite, so it will collect the request and then you can manipulate the response and send it back? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yes. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I saw that one. That looks really cool. |
**Sam Boyer:** That's cool, yeah. |
\[dog barking\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** And there goes Dunkin. |
**Sam Boyer:** I had my first actual need for something like that with a client project recently... I ended up using something in that general field of intercepting HTTP requests and messing with them. I ended up using mitmdump and mitmproxy for it... Although I don't think it actually lets you mess with things, but ye... |
1:Yeah, there's a few things like that. It depends on which side of it you need to be on. In the InfoSec world a lot of people use Burp Suite and things like that when they need the man-in-the-middle request and kind of stop them and modify them on their way. I guess this is the opposite, where you're trying to catch t... |
**Sam Boyer:** Yup. |
**Erik St. Martin:** How about you, Carlisia? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I just wanted to mentioned that Sourcegraph put out a blog post talking about how to implement code intelligence. I didn't read the whole thing, I just skimmed, but it looks pretty cool. I'm a big fan of Sourcegraph, so I think this blog post mostly gives you an insight of how they do what they d... |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[48:23\] I think Carlisia's collecting checks. \[laughs\] |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Maybe I am... \[laughs\] No, I'm not. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** "I'm not just a spokesperson, I'm a member!" \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** I love their browser extension... Especially when you're trying to find example uses of a library. I think it's super handy. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yes, exactly. I use it for that a lot. |
**Erik St. Martin:** This week was really interested for distributed tools, too. Brian, you mentioned UpSpin, but there were two other ones that were really cool - [Rook](https://github.com/rook/rook), which has actually been around for a little while... Which is a distributed storage that's written in Go. Then there w... |
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