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**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I love code generators. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, and the cool thing about it is that it lets you pick your CLI framework. It has Mitchell Hashimoto's CLI tool, I thought I saw now Cobra... Maybe I'm wrong. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, Cobra... Get out. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** It does Codegangsta, Mitchell's CLI and... It's called Go Commands, but I think it's for the standard library. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Oh, cool. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** If they skipped Cobra, they're doing it wrong. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** \[01:00:05.00\] There's no Cobra listed here. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I'm sure they take pull requests. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm quite sure they do... That's how open source works. |
**Sam Boyer:** Literally open source. |
**Erik St. Martin:** How about you, Sam? Do you have anybody you wanna give a shoutout to? |
**Sam Boyer:** You know, the thing that I feel the most need to do is not a particular project, but I will give a shout out to people who write docs. |
**Erik St. Martin:** The unsung heroes... |
**Sam Boyer:** Yeah, seriously... And quite unsung. It's so easy to go in and work on something for a long time -- it's the curse of knowledge problem. You forget how much you know about the thing that you've written, and it's really hard to put yourself in the shoes of other people who are gonna come and try to work ... |
Those folks come in, they spend the time and they figure out how to translate for others. It is the tissue that makes up the open source world, that people forget about all the time. So shout out to anyone, author or contributor, who is writing docs. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** That makes me remember that Katrina Owen tweeted just recently (a couple weeks ago) something like, "I don't understand why people say for people who are new to open source to start with documentation... Because that's the hardest part of open source, or of development." |
**Sam Boyer:** I admit this is kind of a different angle, but once you learn enough about it, you forget how to write the docs for people who didn't know. There is this special moment when you first come to a project where your mind is still a blank slate when it comes to the way the thing works. And writing down your ... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, good point. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Mine is a project called [Helm](https://helm.sh/), which is a part of Kubernetes. They have a thing called a chart, and it's basically like a guided install for well-known applications. They're kind of like recreating Redis or MySQL or things like that. There's these shared ways of installing and r... |
I saw somewhere, I think it's [Kubeapps.com](https://kubeapps.com/)... I think somebody had just recently released... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yes, KubeApps. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, where you should be able to go and search for these Helm charts for common projects that you might wanna install. They've been working on that for a long time. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[01:02:50.14\] Helm is mostly driven by the folks at Open Deis. Awesome contributions from them to the Go community and Kubernetes both, which is cool. |
**Sam Boyer:** And Helm was originally created by Matt Butcher, who is the original creator of Glide, as well. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's just a perfect circle. |
**Sam Boyer:** It really is. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[singing\] It's a circle of life... |
**Sam Boyer:** He told me once, he's like, "I somehow keep on writing package management tools. I'm not sure how that happens..." \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's just a different type of packaging. |
**Sam Boyer:** Yup. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Did you guys want me to keep singing, to end up the show? |
**Erik St. Martin:** No, please don't. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Okay. Just let me know. |
**Sam Boyer:** I was enjoying it, I don't know... \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Thank you. Hey Sam, you can come back... |
**Sam Boyer:** Oh, that's nice! |
**Erik St. Martin:** Does it mean I'm not invited back? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Nope. Carlisia is taking your spot next week. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Oh, boy... \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You're fired! How dare you install npm on my laptop? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Well, technically you just did yourself, so... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I've had npm for years now... I just don't admit it. I'm the one who three years ago famously tweeted "Docker is like a condom for Node", and it's the truth. \[laughter\] |
**Carlisia Thompson:** No comment. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Right. Awkward... \[laughter\] So with that, thank you everybody for being on the show. Thank you so much for coming on, Sam. It was great talking with you. |
**Sam Boyer:** Thank you for the chance. |
**Erik St. Martin:** ...and especially getting some more detail. |
**Sam Boyer:** Yeah, this has been great. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Keep up the hard work! Thanks for doing it! |
**Erik St. Martin:** And everybody, please reach out and help, and run dep and file issues. |
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