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**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, they had to invent stuff to try to survive for the week. |
**Ashley McNamara:** That's rad! Why do they always cancel the cool stuff? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** And then randomly they just eat one person at the end of each week... \[laughter\] |
**Ashley McNamara:** Sacrifice, I like it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And they'd use dead pigs... They did something with it to break it down and turn it into a fuel for a tractor so that they could use that as a generator... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Bio-diesel. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah... It's just crazy. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I wanted to go back and ask Ashley... I didn't catch up with the age of your kid/kids - I don't even know if it's more than one... But I wanted to ask if you're teaching them how to code, and what you're using, how that's coming along...? |
**Ashley McNamara:** Yeah, so I have a 19-year-old, the one that's in college... She is girl, and she is just now starting to come around to the idea of programming. I tried to teach her when she was about my son's age, who's 11, and she was having not part of it, and you can't force somebody to learn it; it just doesn... |
My 11-year-old is very interested in it, and we started out with Scratch, and we're moving into Python, and doing some Go as well... But he loves Scratch. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You gotta watch out, that Scratch is a gateway drug. The next thing you know, they're doing Python, and before you know it, they're snorting C++ in the backroom. |
**Ashley McNamara:** Yeah... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Why?! That makes no sense to me. No, really... Why? \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It was a bad joke, Carlisia... I apologize to all of the world for my bad joke. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Okay, it went over my head. |
**Ashley McNamara:** You should expect this from Brian... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I should... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I haven't slept in a while. |
**Ashley McNamara:** But yeah, so it's going well. It only goes well though if your kid's interested in it. You can't make them like it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, and depending on the age, the attention span... My son loves when we do stuff, like work on RC cars or we mod them, and sometimes a little bit of electronic stuff, when we work on the Cupid thing for the smoker... But he only hangs out for so long. I try to get a breadboard together and have ... |
**Ashley McNamara:** Yeah... When Tilford was really little, we got him snap circuits. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, those are so cute! |
**Erik St. Martin:** We have that still, yeah. |
**Ashley McNamara:** It was great. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So I actually just had my first success. My son just turned 15, and I've been gently encouraging him to learn programming since he was a baby, and he's just always been "Yeah, that's cool, that's fun... Yet no, I'm not really interested. I'm gonna go play Minecraft or Overwatch" or whatever it is he... |
**Ashley McNamara:** Minecraft server! \[laughs\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I said, "As a matter of fact, I have a couple of Raspberry Pi's lying around. What do you need?" He said, "I was thinking about using a Raspberry Pi for Pi Day at school, to calculate pi, with Go. Do you think you could help me with that?" I'm like, "You know, I think I could. Yeah, that'd be fun." ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[47:58\] I think it's kind of how [Katrina Owen](https://twitter.com/kytrinyx) said in her talk - your need or want to succeed or finish a project has to outweigh your reasons for quitting. They really wanna play their games and things like that, but in that case he really wanted to complete that ... |
**Ashley McNamara:** Yeah, that's why we combined games and programming with the Scratch stuff. Also, we were building Minecraft servers with Raspberry Pi's. That's sort of where we started with this. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's awesome. So anybody wanna talk about any projects and news before we -- I think some people have some hard stops. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I think we do have some hard stops. There were several interesting things going on this month, absolutely. |
**Erik St. Martin:** One thing that I saw, speaking of Steve Francia, is the new [Developer Experience Working Group](https://blog.golang.org/developer-experience). |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I think that's more [JBD](https://twitter.com/rakyll) than Steve, though. |
**Ashley McNamara:** I think so too, yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think he's on the team now. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Maybe, but it's JBD running the show. Don't take away a woman's credit and give it to a man, Erik. We'll shoot you down. \[laughter\] We will shoot you down! |
**Erik St. Martin:** You're trying to get me beat in the streets now. |
**Ashley McNamara:** Listen, we need him. We need him... It's not time yet. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Okay, it's not time yet. \[laughs\] That's the most menacing thing anybody's ever said on this show. \[laughter\] "It's not time to kill him yet, Brian." |
**Ashley McNamara:** It's not time... I'll just wait. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** For anybody who hasn't seen it, there's a blog post talking about the initial goals of the Working Group, to kind of understand the community's use cases, and some of the stuff that we were talking about, like the struggle to get started, understanding tooling and things like that. |
I don't know -- did they call for new members, or just participation from the community? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** They did, yeah. They called for lots of participation and membership and activity. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** There's a mailing list and it's been very active. There's a lot going on there. I haven't had time to read through it, but that's definitely the place to go to catch up. |
**Ashley McNamara:** Did you guys put it in the Slack channel? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yes... |
**Ashley McNamara:** Do it... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Let's do it! |
**Erik St. Martin:** Are you not looking at the doc, Ashley? |
**Ashley McNamara:** No... Oh, am I supposed to be looking at the doc...? |
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