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[895.76 --> 896.44] Hey, we got it.
[896.52 --> 896.64] Okay.
[896.76 --> 897.04] Okay.
[897.42 --> 902.78] So first things first, I want to give you guys the AMD Ryzen summary, have a little bit
[902.78 --> 909.30] of discussion here, and then we're going to talk about already, prior to launch, and I
[909.30 --> 910.32] don't have mine yet.
[910.52 --> 912.70] The pictures that I took were of one at the event.
[912.76 --> 913.82] I didn't bring that with me.
[916.22 --> 921.24] But we're going to talk about rumors already surfacing that there might be some issues.
[921.24 --> 923.86] Dun, dun, dun.
[923.86 --> 924.58] Dun, dun, dun.
[925.16 --> 925.52] Okay.
[925.70 --> 928.24] So step one of this is Ryzen's coming.
[928.70 --> 928.94] Okay?
[929.34 --> 931.16] I actually don't know if the...
[931.70 --> 932.14] Yes.
[932.36 --> 932.68] Okay.
[932.76 --> 936.34] So it's for pre-order now, and the ship date is March 2nd.
[936.54 --> 936.84] Okay?
[937.44 --> 938.34] So Ryzen's coming.
[938.58 --> 939.54] That's super exciting.
[939.80 --> 941.60] We're all super amped up on that.
[942.00 --> 946.32] There are three SKUs that they're announcing right now, all in the Ryzen 7 lineup.
[946.40 --> 947.40] Have you looked into this much?
[947.50 --> 948.38] A little bit.
[948.38 --> 948.86] Okay.
[949.04 --> 952.12] So there's the top of the line 1800X.
[952.36 --> 956.54] That one is clocked at, I think it's 3.6 to 4 gigahertz.
[957.12 --> 959.66] And it's an 8-core, 16-thread processor.
[959.82 --> 966.08] There's the 1700X, which is 3.4 to 3.8, if I recall correctly.
[966.40 --> 967.30] And then there's the...
[967.30 --> 968.46] Did I say X that time?
[968.62 --> 968.90] You did.
[969.00 --> 969.22] Okay.
[969.38 --> 971.52] Then there's the 1700 non-X.
[972.18 --> 974.20] And that tall sounded like 3.7, I believe.
[974.38 --> 974.60] Yeah.
[974.60 --> 976.46] So that one's like 3 to 3.7.
[976.76 --> 976.92] Yeah.
[977.22 --> 982.62] They're priced anywhere from $499 down to $399 down to $329.
[982.62 --> 991.66] So what's really cool about this is that AMD has taken 8 cores, 16 threads, and gone, you know what?
[993.00 --> 995.36] This is worth $500 tops.
[995.82 --> 1007.52] And you can have this for as little as Intel was asking for a 7700K, which is 4 cores, 16 threads, and onboard graphics.
[1007.52 --> 1013.36] And we can discuss that a little bit later as well, actually.
[1014.18 --> 1026.38] And, yeah, I mean, it's got support for DDR4, 24 PCIe lanes, which is smack in the middle of Intel's high-end platform and Intel's low-end platform, their mainstream platform.
[1027.56 --> 1031.40] And performance looks really, really impressive.
[1031.40 --> 1036.58] Now, to be clear, there are some things that apparently I misspoke on something.
[1036.70 --> 1040.04] Obviously, when I was talking about the Intel chip, I meant 4 cores, 8 threads.
[1040.18 --> 1040.40] Okay?
[1040.88 --> 1041.28] Chill.
[1042.24 --> 1045.68] I misspoke on something else recently, and people are like, whoo!
[1045.72 --> 1047.12] Oh, everyone get their pitchforks out already.
[1047.34 --> 1047.42] Yeah.
[1047.48 --> 1047.62] Right.
[1047.72 --> 1047.94] Anyway.
[1047.94 --> 1052.22] So, you are actually making some trade-offs.
[1052.58 --> 1062.78] Let's say that Ryzen's performance per clock, per core, was identical to Intel, Broadwell, or Skylake, or Kaby Lake, or whatever the case may be.
[1062.86 --> 1067.50] I haven't personally tested it, so I can't break an embargo for information I don't have.
[1067.86 --> 1070.06] Let's say, for example, it was identical.
[1070.76 --> 1072.52] You are still making some trade-offs.
[1072.98 --> 1074.60] Intel does have exclusive technologies.
[1075.04 --> 1076.32] They have Thunderbolt 3.
[1076.32 --> 1081.64] They have the upcoming Optane, which I don't know really a whole lot about.
[1081.78 --> 1083.10] John has done a fair bit of research.
[1083.40 --> 1084.82] Actually, you have done a fair bit of research.
[1084.96 --> 1085.50] Do you want to talk about?
[1085.72 --> 1086.72] Let's Optane, in a nutshell.
[1087.24 --> 1093.82] TLDR, extremely fast SSDs, like quite a bit faster than PCI Express M.2.
[1094.46 --> 1094.70] Okay.
[1094.94 --> 1095.12] Yeah.
[1095.32 --> 1095.46] Cool.
[1095.74 --> 1097.24] Should we talk more about that?
[1097.32 --> 1097.82] No, that's fine.
[1097.92 --> 1098.10] Okay.
[1098.44 --> 1100.28] So, Intel does have exclusive technologies.
[1100.28 --> 1108.52] They do potentially have optimizations and functional units available in their CPUs that AMD might not have.
[1108.74 --> 1111.56] So, a perfect example of that would be the onboard GPU.
[1111.56 --> 1126.74] So, that GPU can do things like one of the demos that AMD has been running to show how more cores can benefit real users today has been gaming, playing Dota 2 while streaming.
[1126.74 --> 1139.82] And they've demonstrated that a 7700K gets absolutely butt-wrecked by that scenario, dropping something like 20% of the frames while the game streams.
[1140.06 --> 1140.20] Yeah.
[1140.32 --> 1141.16] Like, pretty significant.
[1141.34 --> 1141.42] Yeah.
[1141.42 --> 1142.54] Like, 15% to 20%.
[1142.54 --> 1152.36] However, what AMD conveniently doesn't demonstrate is that you could stream using Intel QuickSync video.
[1152.56 --> 1152.82] Mm-hmm.
[1153.44 --> 1157.60] In which case, you would be offloading that encoding task to the onboard GPU.
[1157.78 --> 1166.62] Now, the argument AMD makes is that at the kinds of bitrates that you're able to use when you're streaming to Twitch, so typically around 3500 kilobit per second,
[1166.62 --> 1183.26] you are, it is very important to have the cleanest possible source because any blocking or artifacting that exists in the original source at that kind of a bitrate at 1080p60 or like 900p60,
[1183.26 --> 1187.60] which is, again, fairly typical for Twitch, is exacerbated.
[1187.72 --> 1195.18] It is made much worse by the low bitrate stream over Twitch's service.
[1195.18 --> 1202.50] So, they make the argument that more cores is, in this case, more important than having that fixed-function video encoder.
[1203.30 --> 1205.02] So, there you go.
[1205.26 --> 1208.82] Basically, the fight that's coming is pretty interesting.
[1209.12 --> 1212.78] AMD's saying, you know what, forget about it with some of this other stuff.
[1213.06 --> 1216.16] We're going high-performance CPU.
[1216.40 --> 1219.20] I mean, that was right on Dr. Seuss' deck.
[1219.96 --> 1224.38] And Intel has taken a completely different strategy over the last few years.
[1224.38 --> 1229.18] increasing their per-core performance and their core counts on the mainstream,
[1230.10 --> 1237.92] basically not at all in several generations, and adding more and more GPU performance in that iGPU.
[1239.00 --> 1240.64] I forget where I was going with this.