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[1240.70 --> 1245.76] A little different than how it used to be almost opposite because you had AMD with the APUs, |
[1245.76 --> 1250.04] and then you had Intel, who was running circles around them in terms of things like IPC, |
[1250.14 --> 1253.36] and now it's now seemingly flipping a little bit with what they're focusing on. |
[1253.48 --> 1256.82] Now it looks very interesting where Intel is all of a sudden the APU company. |
[1257.48 --> 1263.08] With that said, I mean, when we showed Ryzenoff back at CES, |
[1263.28 --> 1267.74] I have to be really careful while I'm talking to not say things that are embargoed. |
[1267.74 --> 1272.12] So I'm trying to remember when I learned things and whether they're embargoed or not. |
[1272.24 --> 1274.14] So you'll remember this from CES. |
[1274.82 --> 1277.16] APUs are also coming to the AM4 platform. |
[1277.54 --> 1280.70] In fact, most AM4 boards have video outputs on the back, |
[1280.82 --> 1285.38] even though none of the Ryzen 7 CPUs have any onboard graphics. |
[1285.46 --> 1287.04] So those will just be dead ports in that case. |
[1287.60 --> 1291.74] Well, will they be, or are they integrating any kind of, you know, back in the day, |
[1291.74 --> 1295.14] they would somehow have little iGPUs that's not directly on the motherboard. |
[1295.26 --> 1296.32] I'm guessing they're not doing this anymore. |
[1296.42 --> 1297.24] They're not doing that. |
[1297.52 --> 1303.04] It's either on the CPU, or APU as it were, or it is not in the computer. |
[1303.82 --> 1306.06] So that's kind of the summary. |
[1306.52 --> 1309.40] AMD and the demos look really impressive. |
[1309.60 --> 1311.86] There were more demos than what I showed in my video, |
[1311.96 --> 1313.44] and if you watch some other people's coverage, |
[1313.60 --> 1315.14] they might have focused on different demos. |
[1315.46 --> 1321.40] But I was incredibly impressed with the amount of progress that AMD has made |
[1321.40 --> 1325.94] over the last four years that Zen Core has been in development. |
[1327.06 --> 1330.76] Now, with that set, oh, you know what? |
[1330.82 --> 1331.72] Okay, no, no, no, no. |
[1331.80 --> 1333.50] A little bit, I want to straw pull this. |
[1333.68 --> 1334.46] I want to straw pull this. |
[1334.56 --> 1335.78] I want to get your take on this. |
[1335.80 --> 1335.92] Okay. |
[1338.08 --> 1340.78] And I'm going to straw pull it before I ask you, |
[1340.86 --> 1343.00] because someone has pointed out to me in the past |
[1343.00 --> 1348.04] that it is like a huge problem to issue a straw pull to the audience. |
[1348.22 --> 1350.46] And then say, oh, here's what we think, and then so it skews the pull. |
[1350.46 --> 1351.56] And say what we think first. |
[1351.66 --> 1352.00] Yeah, okay. |
[1352.20 --> 1359.60] So AMD Ryzen, does this mark a return to competition? |
[1361.64 --> 1362.04] Yes? |
[1362.96 --> 1363.38] No. |
[1363.38 --> 1365.36] How are we defining competition? |
[1365.56 --> 1368.18] Like a certain percentage of the market or a certain? |
[1368.18 --> 1374.90] I don't think we're going to try to define it in black and white necessarily. |
[1375.26 --> 1378.40] I just want to know, in the minds of the viewers, |
[1378.98 --> 1385.34] do you feel like we're getting back to a time when there is competition in the CPU market |
[1385.34 --> 1390.10] and where you don't feel like Intel is just doing whatever they want, |
[1390.20 --> 1392.72] as long as they want, or as short as they want, |
[1392.72 --> 1395.46] and we all just kind of have to suck it up, princess. |
[1396.80 --> 1401.64] So while the results roll in, why don't you go ahead and share your thoughts? |
[1401.80 --> 1406.76] So what do we know about performance levels, like single-threaded performance? |
[1406.86 --> 1411.50] Because I've heard rumors, and you have probably learned new information since I've heard this. |
[1411.54 --> 1412.62] I'm not sure how much you can say. |
[1412.62 --> 1417.96] But I've heard, oh, so it's going to be similar to what Intel had with Broadwell. |
[1418.18 --> 1420.80] And Broadwell is a couple generations old now by this point. |
[1421.08 --> 1424.30] But at the same time, if you look at how most users, |
[1424.36 --> 1427.80] and even a lot of enthusiasts, are using their rigs, |
[1428.38 --> 1433.26] they'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between Broadwell and Kaby Lake in the day-to-day. |
[1433.70 --> 1438.14] Okay, so maybe assume, okay, AMD is not going to take a huge hit |
[1438.14 --> 1440.98] because users want more raw, single-threaded performance. |
[1440.98 --> 1441.98] Assume that doesn't happen. |
[1441.98 --> 1445.50] Yeah, so I looked the other night on Amazon, |
[1445.94 --> 1449.42] and Ryzen's already, like, number one-selling CPU. |
[1449.54 --> 1452.14] Now, granted, not everyone's going out and buying CPU in a box. |
[1452.24 --> 1455.18] The vast majority of people, they're buying pre-built, they're buying laptops, whatever. |
[1455.46 --> 1460.22] But nevertheless, it did make it up to, like, the top of the best-selling charts. |
[1460.64 --> 1465.90] Okay, so, and you're looking at, okay, so it's 2017 now, |
[1465.94 --> 1469.44] and we have more and more things that can take advantage of multiple cores, |
[1469.52 --> 1470.48] not everything, obviously. |
[1470.48 --> 1472.80] But it's a better situation than it was. |
[1472.90 --> 1474.24] It's a much better situation than it was. |
[1474.24 --> 1478.28] You know, four or five years ago when Intel said, look, six cores and more, that's enthusiasts. |
[1478.72 --> 1479.02] Exactly. |
[1479.16 --> 1483.38] So we're getting to the point now where, you know, those sorts of things that can leverage that stuff |
[1483.38 --> 1485.70] is becoming better optimized, it's become a little bit more mainstream, |
[1485.70 --> 1491.02] and you have a chip here that is eight cores and reportedly 16 threads. |
[1491.12 --> 1492.46] We kind of had a discussion about this earlier. |
[1492.66 --> 1497.92] Yes, eight cores, 16 threads, and this is, we're not talking bulldozer here. |
[1498.26 --> 1498.40] Yeah. |
[1498.40 --> 1504.42] Where AMD was like, yes, we have eight cores, but actually they have four compute modules |
[1504.42 --> 1505.70] which share some resources. |
[1505.86 --> 1506.94] These are eight cores. |
[1507.08 --> 1508.14] They showed die shots. |
[1508.32 --> 1508.92] There we go, yeah. |
[1508.92 --> 1509.78] These are eight cores. |
[1509.94 --> 1514.72] Okay, so we have eight actual independent cores that aren't sharing resources, as Linus just said. |
[1514.72 --> 1515.34] With SMT. |
[1515.34 --> 1520.78] And you have this, you can get a 3.7 gigahertz chip with this architecture, |
[1520.92 --> 1524.60] and yes, you miss out on some of like, you know, the Intel platform exclusive features, |
[1524.90 --> 1529.92] but if we're just talking about performance here, $330 US as opposed to the equivalent chip |
[1529.92 --> 1532.58] is like, what, about $1,000 from Intel? |
[1532.66 --> 1537.50] So depending how you measure it, and that's something that we have to be really careful as the press. |
[1537.50 --> 1538.04] That's true, yeah. |
[1538.10 --> 1541.08] And users have to be really careful about as well. |
[1541.08 --> 1550.20] We need to make sure that we understand that there are going to be situations where 7700K is going to kick a Ryzen 1700s butt. |
[1550.58 --> 1553.74] And there are also platform features that you would be getting with Intel. |
[1553.90 --> 1558.48] I mean, it's 40 to 24 as far as the PCI Express Line situation. |
[1558.92 --> 1559.68] Are my numbers right there? |
[1559.68 --> 1562.46] On the 7700K, it's 20 to 24. |
[1562.48 --> 1563.66] Oh, no, I'm not talking about the same. |
[1563.72 --> 1567.40] I'm talking about like, because the 7700K is not eight core. |
[1567.40 --> 1573.16] I'm talking about Intel's Skylake, or not Skylake, but a Broadwell E. |
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